Is Guenon real or overrated?
>>25573456>Is Guenon realNo
>>25573456He was one dysgenic motherfucker.
>>25573456He's rated
>>25573492Noble Bretonian long face mogging the plebeians
>>25573456pbuh
>>25573456Rene Guenon is the most correct, smartest and most important person of the twentieth century. There was no smarter, deeper, clearer, absolute Guenon and probably could not be. It is no coincidence that the French traditionalist René Allé in one collection dedicated to R. Guenon compared Guenon with Marx. It would seem that there are completely different, opposite figures. Guenon is a conservative hyper-traditionalist. Marx is a revolutionary innovator, a radical overthrower of traditions. But Rene Halle rightly guessed the revolutionary message of each of Guenon's statements, the extreme, cruel noncomformity of his position, which turns everything and everything upside down, the radical nature of his thought.The fact is that René Guenon is the only author, the only thinker of the twentieth century, and maybe many, many centuries before that, who not only identified and confronted with each other secondary language paradigms, but also put into question the very essence of language. The language of Marxism was methodologically very interesting, subtly reducing the historical existence of mankind to a clear and convincing formula for confronting labor and capital. Being a great paradigmatic success, Marxism was so popular and won the minds of the best intellectuals of the twentieth century. But R. Guenon is an even more fundamental generalization, an even more radical removal of masks, an even broader worldview contestation, putting everything into question.- Aleksandr DuginGuénon undermined and then; with uncompromising intellectual rigour, demolished all the assumptions taken for granted by modern man, that is to say Western or westernised man. Many others had been critical of the direction taken by European civilization since the so-called 'Renaissance', but none had dared to be as radical as he was or to re-assert with such force the principles and values which Western culture had consigned to the rubbish tip of history. His theme was the 'primordial tradition' or Sofia perennis, expressed-so he maintained-both in ancient mythologies and in the metaphysical doctrine at the root of the great religions. The language of this Tradition was the language of symbolism, and he had no equal in his interpretation of this symbolism. Moreover he turned the idea of human progress upside down, replacing it with the belief almost universal before the modern age, that humanity declines in spiritual excellence with the passage of time and that we are now in the Dark Age which precedes the End, an age in which all the possibilities rejected by earlier cultures have been spewed out into the world, quantity replaces quality and decadence approaches its final limit. No one who read him and understood him could ever be quite the same again.- Gai Eaton
René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey
Is he difficult to read and where should I start? I’m a midwit but interested in traditionalism
>>25573610It was explained to me to read part 1 of his Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines to get a basis on his idea of tradition and it worked well for me, but I'm sure there are others who are more well read on him on this board.
>>25573560>>25573563Why the long face?
>>25573456An intellectual saint is what some people call him
I ALMOST bought a copy of his musings on Daoism recently but I saw that they didn't have any ebook copies available so I didn't.
>>25573456he's real overrated
>>25573563>quoting Saint Seraphim Rose disingenuously when he later completely rebuked and refuted everything perennialist or orientalHave some intellectual honesty
Picked the wrong team, lol. He's currently roasting in hell as we speak LOL!
>>25573679That is irrelevant as to the influence that Guenon had on his eventual conversion to Orthodoxy, you silly billy.
>>25573456His adherence to Muslim later in life pushes me to doubt his actual intellectual capabilities, or his benevolence, one of which must be absent.
Imagine playing Russian roulette with your immortal soul like that. Poor guy.
>>25573560>>25573563Those people are Guenon acolytes; praise from them shouldn't count.
>>25573700>>25573687You have at MOST read only one book of his and never fully understood him and thats being charitable.You don't even know why he converted so don't act like your better because you don't understand him.
>>25573777>You have at MOST read only one book of his and never fully understood him and thats being charitable.I've NEVER read one of his books actually. Waste of trips btw
>>25573789>at MOST
>>25573679Seraphim Rose didnt refute a single thing about Guenon’s worldview.In fact, it is Guenon who refuted Rose, since Guenon showed sentiment is anti-metaphysical but Rose makes sentimentality-based appeals for Orthodoxy over other religions. Rose copied his whole worldview from Guenon and then tried to rebel against Daddy but Guenon already retroactively refuted his sappy anti-intellectual and anti-metaphysical sentimentalism
>>25573560>>25573563Man, I thought the Guenonfags on this board had all but dropped off the face of the earth. As weird and culty as you guys are, it’s good to see some aspects of old /lit/ still clinging on.Now tell me how I’ve been retroactively refuted by Guenon (PBUH)
>>25573777I base my opinion on my own extensive literary knowledge of Islam and personal experience with Sufi mysticism, I was born into it, and quite high on its ladder so to speak. And so my opinion of Guenon is akin to the opinion of an opium dealer concerning his clients, both in nature and in relevance. I've never read any of his works nor do I Imply anything of the sort in my post. But if you are peddling sufi mysticism and actively participating in the initiations you are either in on the grift and not so benevolent, or dumb enough to fall for it. A combination of both is possible but at least one is needed. I’m not saying his body of work is worthless because of this, many great works are products of addicts or people of moderately high intelligence. I am however saying that he probably is overrated, at least in some circles.
>>25573847>I've never read any of his worksStopped reading
>>25573824Damn you still post here retard? Fuck off
>>25573824Wrong. You have never read any of S. Rose's books and, as shown by your midwit post, have a cursory understanding at most (I'm being very generous) of Orthodoxy.>b-butCope. No need to embarrass yourself further. Start with the Religion of the Future.
He's definitely extremely influential to every mystical larper author that came later in European esoteric thought. But this doesn't make his own attempt to stupidly derive metaphysical essence through categorical human thinking any more worthwhile because of that. He's just as right as any other individual on this subject in particular, not the more useful, though.
>>25573883>Wrong. You have never read any of S. Rose's books and, as shown by your midwit post,I have read Rose and he is a midwit and speaks the most ignorant nonsense on subjects that he has little understandings of.>have a cursory understanding at most (I'm being very generous) of Orthodoxy.I understand their position well enough, Orthodoxy doesn't have any arguments that refute non-Christian religions, the only arguments of theirs that have any meaning are intra-Christian debates over dogma etc. Jay Dyer's argument is fallacious due to circularity and isn't even an official argument of the church anyway.
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>>25573978>ut please no dyerites or any sort of modernist slop theology like presupholy based
>>25573972>brings up DyerYeah you have no idea what you're talking about
I wholly recommend Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines, mostly for the problems in scholarship he draws attention to rather than the actual Hinduism talk
>>25573993>Yeah you have no idea what you're talking aboutYeah, it's not like I brought up Dyer because most Orthofags can't into basic metaphysics and logic and 90% of them just namedrop Dyer in leu of an actual argument, you being no different (you have had, and are still scared to offer any argument, but you cant help but posturing due to your ego)
>>25574010NTA man you sound like a faggot
>>25574011He's just a schizo who's been writing meaningless drivel on this board for years
>>25574082It's Rose's sappy clumsy sentimentalism and the platitudes of mouth-breathing morons who present his books as though it were otherwise which are the true drivel. It's just the "muh feels equals reals" except dressed up in fart-sniffing rhetoric that indulgently lapses from moralism to obscurantism.Rose doesn't hold a candle to true metaphysicians like Guenon, and nor do his fans.
