Lexical edition>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·>>25547982>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw>Mέγα τὸ ANE·https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg>Work in progress FAQhttps://rentry dot co/n8nrkoAll Classical languages are welcome.
τοῖς βουλομένοις τ' ἀναγιγνώσκειν Ἑλληνιστί
>>25580183Is old church slavonic included? Is there even anything worth reading in old church slavonic?
>>25580045https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-indoors
>>25580208>in Faradaii cavea non habitat ille
>>25580045Since you’re probably lying (which I know because I disagree with you as a primary source so you must be lying) that means you’re clearly actually not in an apartment, rather you’re likely under a tree in an open field and Zeus is about to blast you with his hellenic influence.
>>25580308SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I'M ON MY LANDLINE PHONE TALKING TO MY GRANDMOTHER (I'M ARGUING ABOUT HOW AWFUL ZEUS IS AND HOW MUCH I HATE HIM) WHILE TAKING A SOAK IN THE HOT TUB ON MY BALCONY! I'LL GIVE YOU A RING NEXT!
>Excepta est Caesaris adventus ab omnibus municipiis et coloniis incredibili honore atque amore. Tum primum enim veniebat ab illo universae Galliae bello. Nihil relinquebatur quod ad ornatum portarum, itinerum, locorum omnium qua Caesar iturus erat excogitari poterat. Cum liberis omnis multitudo obviam procedebat, hostiae omnibus locis immolabantur, tricliniis stratis fora templaque occupabantur, ut vel exspectatissimi triumphi laetitia praecipi posset. Tanta erat magnificentia apud opulentiores, cupiditas apud humiliores.Id novissimum capitulum esse debet. Comentarii Caesaris De Bello Gallico tandem perlegi. Now, on to the civil war.
poasting it myselfthe anon who made the humanist table wanted to modify it IIRC so not sure I should post it yet
>>25580197definitely, though OCS anons are rare, there was one some months ago
Quando classicam litteraturam latinam intellegam? V (5) casos grammaticales scio atque maiorem vocabularium habeo, sed classici scriptores me expulsant.LLPSI liberum concludo ante litteraturam legere?
>>25581521liber Roma Aeterna tibi legendus est, deinde incipe legere ceteros libros ex LLPSI
>>25581521ignoro litterarium stylum; latinam linguam lego ut anglice. Haec est maxima difficultas.
>>25580925I’m just away from my PC. I’ll poast l8r.
>>25581521si iam satis progressum esse tibi videtur libris ad tirones scriptis legendis, cursus auctorum eligendus tibi bonus est sicut alii fecerunt, exempli gratia, quem haud opus est memorare, Caesarem(bene legas vel potius perlegas commentarios suos de bello Gallico donec facile possis omnes paginas intellegere sine lexico), deinde Nepotem, deinde Sallustium, deinde Senecam: post patratam his lectis auctoribus(non dico perlectis, satis sit libello frui uno vel duobus ut ediscas eorum scribendi habitum) quamvis minorem facundiam, legas quos maxime libet nolique animum demittere, necesse erit semper spatiolum temporis ut cuius legis auctoris genus scribendi familiare fiat
>>25580730The ending to the Gallic War is so kino.>Omni Gallia pacata atque amicitia inter populum Romanum et omnes barbaros facta, omne negotium in occidentali orbis parte confectum ratus, Caesar in orientem solem spectabat. Ne finem quidem Caesaris erat. Cum familiares atque amicos plorantes valere iussisset, Caesar equum conscendit et solus in orientales fines equitavit, ubi multasque adventuras alias suscepit, quod tamen est fabula aliud in tempus.
>>25580730>idid != it>comentariicommentarios
>>25581702I didn’t mean id as “it” so I’m not really sure what to take away from that feedback.>commentariosYep brain fart
>>25581521Cheat (pic related), and don't hold yourself to too high a standard. You don't have to achieve perfection to achieve something productive. When you read a text, don't have the attitude that you have to understand everything 100%, that you have to be able to lecture on all the grammatical details, that you have to perfectly remember all the vocabulary. You are familiarizing yourself with the content of the work. You are learning new words even if you don't remember 100% of the words in the book. You are gaining exposure to examples of Latin grammar even if you can't recognize and explain all the rules. You can follow the main thread of the text even if the exact syntax of some parts is cloudy. You can come back in the future and read it with deeper understanding. Anything really worth reading once is worth reading twice.Don't neglect works for students. You'll build up your vocabulary faster the more pages you can read every day.
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>>25581818AVE
>>25551636>Who yelled?QVISALTADVOCEDDEEISIMPLOVRANSCLAMAVITINDESERTOD>Someone is angry with you.EXSISTITOBIIECTUMANIMATVSRATIONEINBOVTUSINTEROMNIAQVAESEIVEDEOSEIVECHAOFINXAESUNTQVEIINTEDIRASCIERVIDETVR>This plant can grow everywhere.PLANTAHAECQVAMANTETEDNUNCOINFELIXNUNCVIDESINOINVORSOLOCOCRESCIERPOTEESEABOMNIDUENOVIRSAPIENSQUEFERTUR
>>25581898Id =! It
I have been spending a week on each chapter of Roma Aeterna, but I feel like I can do 5 days. Basically, it's not even that hard, I'm finishing chapter 43 right now (rn)
Roma Aeterna melior est quam LLPSI?
>>25581999Nice trips retard
>>25581999pars est LLPSI, nonne? secunda nisi fallor
Lingua latina Capitulum tertium decimum iratus sum est. Tempus malum improbus est!
>>25580925rolling
>>25583475I noticed by reading both the Greek and Latin that there seems to be some bible specific double meaning of creation(i.e the abstract act) and creature(the created thing) i.e κτίσις seems to mean both and Jerome here specifically in Romans 1.20 however uses "creatura" where creatio would seem more fitting>τὰ γὰρ ἀόρατα αὐτοῦ ἀπὸ κτίσεως κόσμου τοῖς ποιήμασιν νοούμενα καθορᾶται>Invisibilia enim ipsius, a creatura mundi, per ea quæ facta sunt, intellecta, conspiciuntur
Patrabo tuum ego oculum
Ranarum viscera numquam inspexi.
>>25583570neque ipse pol Europicola, estne adhuc mos in scholis americanis hoc genus docendi adhibere in biologia explicanda?
>>25583597Equidem in schola animal cui nomen est Limulus polyphemus dissecare debui
>>25583342Postrema pars est facilis colloquium cum Aemilia et Quintus, sed amorem inter eos expectabam. Aeger puerus laetus est cum curiosa Aemilia sessa in suam frontem.(I'm pretty sure that last IN needs accusative instead of ablative)
>>25583722Cum Aemilia et Quinto**, not Quintus. fuck me
>>25583638arthropodem dissecare fas habeo, ranae hercle non habeantur dissecandi materia
>>25583823consentimus igitur
>>25583638>>25583597De improvisio recordatus sum nonnullos condiscipulos etiam porcellos fetales dissecuisse
>>25583842si eo pacto factum esset ut deinde vescendae datae essent carnes non inviderem, sed profecto quoniam adolescentes tetigerunt eas haud mirer si magistri post perfectam dissectionem eiecerint purgandas ne quidem escas faciendas bestiis
>>25583887Omnes hic porcelli formaldehyde conditi erant. Ideo nequaquam esui apti erant
>>25583895*hipeccavi
>Cum data sint equitī bis quīna nomismata, quārē bis deciēs sōlus, Sextiliāne, bibis? Jam dēfēcisset portantīs calda ministrōs, sī nōn pōtārēs, Sextiliāne, merum.>Sextiliāne, bibis quantum subsellia quīnque sōlus: aquā totiēns ēbrius esse potes; non cōnsessōrum vīcīna nomismata tantum, aera sed ā cuneīs ulteriōra petis. Nōn haec Paelignīs agitur vīndēmia prēlīs ūva nec in Tuscīs nāscitur ista jugīs, testa sed antīquī fēlīx siccātur Opīmī, egerit et nigrōs Massica cella cadōs. Ā cōpōne tibi faex Lālētāna petātur, sī plūs quam deciēs, Sextiliāne, bibis.Martial is very funny
pro juppiter latine legere non possumadjuvate me amicicapitulum 42 legi
>>25584048>legi>legere non possum
Vacuum Eques optimus lusus (or iucus?) est; meam memoriam oblitterare volo et rursus Radiantiam Absolutam vincere. Crista peditis secundum lusum salvat.
why so little or none of these adverbs (atque/ac, rursus, etiam, autem, enim, sed, ne, nam, etc.) survived in the romance languaves? Not even Italian and Sardinian have them.
Sine ullo ventoSub imperio PhoebiExardet terra
Hello /clg/. I was wondering if anyone here had any info on different poetic styles from the classical languages they study. Any that you know of would be fine though it would help if they source was in english.It is vaguely off topic so sorry to ask if that's a problem. I make conlangs as a hobby and am trying to research/recreate poetic styles that differ from the normal English rhyme scheme/syllable counting structure we use. Ancient/Classical Chinese would be especially interesting if anyone knows which direction to go for that.
>>25584976There’s stuff I could tell you about Latin or Classical Chinese but you would use it to blab peoples’ ears off about the “language” you “invented” and I won’t be made complicit in that.
>>25585023Listen man I keep my autism to myself. Theres a reason Im asking here and not going on reddit
Hellas’s fate was sealed the second Athenian women started wearing veils, which allowed women to exit their designated interior apartment and enter other rooms in the house.
>>25584365good question, if one looks both at the etymology of modern romance adverbs but also latin adverbs often they are composite of older roots, so the question is maybe how periods of more or less fossilization of forms alternate i.e it's not like either proto-romance speakers didn't need adverbs or there was a total absence of people knowledgeable of classical Latin, but for whatever reason there is a push for recreating adverbs from more common words which end up replacing older onesItalian btw apparently had eziandio until somewhat recently but it probably was some learned borrowing from centuries after the formation of basic romance languages
>>25580925Rolling
>>25584976The meter of classical Latin and Greek poetry is based on syllable length, rather than stress. This is interesting (to me as an English speaker) for one thing because it often creates a conflict between the metrical structure and the natural stress of the words.
>Reading DBG>Work through slowly with Loeb>Read Latin, then English, then Latin and resolve all gaps in comprehension>Finally finish>Throughout, chapters ranged from 85%-95% comprehension with the occasional easy 100% chapter>Feeling kind of discouraged at how much of a grind it was and how reliant I was on English to get more than the gist>Start reading Nepos>95%-100% comprehension on first pass of the Latin, reading carefully>Open thelatinlibrary, go to de bello alexandrino and read a few random chapters>100% comprehension reading full-speedI am fully convinced now that after Familia Romana one can basically just Loeb their way into fluency as long as they do enough monolingual reading of easier stuff on the side and read the latin side twice on the Loeb. Throughout working through DBG my fluency and confidence in works from all eras of Latin shot up substantially including golden age poetry. I wonder what working through 10 volumes of loebs gets you.
Ok I can also just read Livy now. Thanks Caesar. I figure after I do Nepos, the civil war, and the misc Caesarian works, I'll do a volume or two of Livy, and then Sallust. Then from there I'll start forcing myself to read stuff other than history (but I'll probably just keep reading historians anyways).
Vir quidam amico, avaro etsi diviti, querebatur rem suam continenter in ruinas labi. Suasit alter illo: "Si pecuniam conservare velis, debes vivere quemadmodum ego vivo." Cui respondit ille hoc consilium exsequi tempus fore cum pecunia omnino dissipata esset.
None of you can read Latin. None of you ever will. Disgusting. Garbage. YUCK. VomitTROCIOUS
>>25586520possum
>>25586520I may not ever be able to read Latin--'tis true--but I can try nevertheless to translate these fine specimens of English wit into the Latin tongue. Behold!Carolus II olim Dyonisio iussit ut inveniat hominem qui corrumpi non possit. "Tres homines, inquit, "aerario praefeci. Omnes missi in septentriones cum pecunia defecerunt."Dionysius repente dicit: "Mivertum, domine, defero.""Mivertus?" rex clamat. "Quin, Mivertus iam est fur!"Respondet Dionysius: "Propterea corrumpi non potest."
Homo libros de paranoia ab bibliotechario quaerit. Bibliotecharius susurrit: "a tergo sunt."
>>25586584hehe
new bilingual drip: Lute + Firefox's new split tab view feature whaddaya think
>>25587649Neat
it's tiemEasyWe stayed hidden.A new merchant is in town.Please don't be so mean to my horse.MediumThe softer you pull the easier it will come out.Don't think just because he is related to the king he can do as he pleases.Without reinforcements from the east, they had little hope of resisting more than two days.HardWrite a short narrative with someone describing in first person someone else preparing a dish of your choice.
>>25588016Illum observo dimittentem partes caeparum in aeno. Flamma creptitans per umbras lumina saltantia in parietes iactat. Olfacioque holera suavia, sed repente moneor de eius consiliis. Si modo cultrem prehendere possim, forsitan haec vincula quae manus et pedes vinciunt secare possim. Sin aliter mihi spes relinquitur nulla.
>>25588578
>>25588016Easy>Non desimus latere.>Novus mercator in oppido est.>Noli, obsecro, in equum meum tam crudelis esse.Medium>Quo lenius velles, eo facilius exibit.>Noli putare illum valere, cum regi cognatione iunctus sit, quodlibet facere.>Sine subsidio ex oriente, exigua spes resistendi plus quam duos dies restat.
>>25588016>>25588578>>25588618>>25588698magnum proelium in latrina gerebam
>>25588711Ne timeas, amice. Auxilium adferro.
>>25588752gratias (omnibus modis) tibi, amice, agebo
>>25588016ἐμένομεν κεκρυμμένοιὀθνεῖός τις ἥκει ἔμπορος ἐν τῇ κόμῃ νεωστίἱκετεύω σε μὴ τὸν ἐμὸν ἵππον ταπεινοῦνὅσῳ μαλακῶς ἐφέλκεις, τοσούτῳ ῥᾳδίως ἐκσπασθήσεταιμὴ δόκει πᾶν ἔξεσθαί οἱ ἕνεκα τοῦ ξυγγενὴς εἶναι τοῦ βασιλέωςοὐ μὴν εὐελπίδες ἦν πλέον ἢ δύο ἡμέρα 'νθέξειν ἄνευ τῶν ἀπ' ἠοῦς προσγενησομένωνἔσθ' ὅτε θεῶμαι μήτερ' ἐμὴν ἰχθύες σκευάζουσαν, μὴ πάνυ ποικίλως, πρῶτον μὲν καθαίρουσαν αὐτοὺς σπλάγχν' ἐξαιροῦσαν κάρα τε καὶ οὐράν, καὶ δὴ και τὰς λεπίδας ἀποτρίβουσαν, δεῦτερον δέ, ἐπειδὰν ὁμαλίζῃ αὐτοὺς τὰ πλευρὰ ῥηγνῦσα ἵν' ἄν ὅλως πλατεῖς ὦσιν, ξηραίνουσαν καὶ πάττουσαν ἀλεύρῳ καί τισιν ἀρτύμασιν, καὶ τέλος ξανθίζουσαν ἑκατέρωθεν ἐν ἐλαίῳ· τὰ οῦν πολλὰ παρατίθενται ἐπὶ τῇ τραπέζῃ καὶ ἅλς καὶ κίτριον μῆλον ἢ πολλάκις ἡδύσματι τῷ νῦν Ἀγγλιστὶ καλουμένῳ onions-sauce
How long does learning Latin take to be able to read Caesar?
>>25589302Took me 2 inconsistent years. Could be a lot shorter.
Hey, nerds, what does >>25589438 mean and what is migrant and attic greek?
>>25589673I mean it's just modern Greek you can translate it(give me your money and I'll rape you infidel) but it's almost entirely understandable to someone who knows Attic(dialect of golden age Athens) with the only exception of λεφτά being ambiguous and θα apparently being used to construct the future
>>25589302>>25589372Depends on what you mean to "read" Caesar. You're not going to be able to read Caesar like a native Latin speaker after two years study. (If you disagree, let me know what you did so I can copy you.) Just "cheat" (>>25581757) and use a parallel translation. If you want to approach Caesar as early as possible for the sake of the content of the historical content of the book, a translation will allow you to do so meaningfully sooner than any other method. On the other hand, if you want to study Caesar for the sake of the language, with Caesar being a benchmark of good Latin prose, then no better way than to expose yourself to his words as much as possible, and you'll make faster progress bumbling through the book in a week with the help of a translation (where needed) than laboriously working through the text over several months armed with only the help of a dictionary*. In fact, according to the info page on Geoffery Steadman's "College Caesar" page, the old Caesar-based AP Latin course only cover a small fraction of the book over a year-long class.Book 1: Chapters 1-7 Book 4: Chapters 24-35Book 5: Chapters 24-48Book 6: Chapters 13-20*Remember dictionaries are just translations on a smaller scale, so using a dictionary is CHEATING at Latin.
