I'm into literature, but from what I see the current studies are more political and utterly fucking moronic (feminism, diversity/africanization, left-wing politics and asinine interpretations).Is this the last place for me to ask about literary studies? I know, but I don't give a fuck because at least you faggots know and care better than redditards and mongoloids from goodreads and other websites plagued with YA novels and shit.So tell me, e/lit/es: Do you have anything? Any curriculum or way to study literature seriously? Something to get into the classics, the Renaissance and the 19th and 20th centuries? Any tips to focus harder on those books?
>>25582320read new criticism (death of the author: primacy of the text). It is an American mid 20th century text focused mode.Also Aristotle's poetics.
>I want to study literature but I hate things that are politicalI have bad news for you
>>25582320Vergil is politicalDante is politicalShakespeare is politicalMilton is politicalMelville is political
>>25582320Look up book lists, curricula and syllabi from old university courses.
>>25582342>>25582853I think OP meant anything that wasn't affected by leftism or any movement related to or influenced by it, and/or otherwise remains true to literary studies from an aesthetic point of view.But I also like to guess that he read a couple of stuff from Harold Bloom. In other words, the retard should've thought better before posting. Which leads me to...>>25582320Some books within literary studies from, let's say, the 1940s or 1950s had political messages or were influenced by the politics of that era. Don't think that any one of them is free from it. Shit, Ulysses has themes of nationalism, and it's still considered the best book ever written in the 20th century.
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if u like old shit subscribe to new criterion
I'm getting really Indian vibes from this OP
>>25583574>>25583594They are in fucking up the classics too, changing classical pronouns to be more inclusive and align with 21st century values of equity and genderfluidity, and turning the Greeks into a platform for homosexuality, genderfluidity, radical democracy, and witchery. Its just a longer way to get to the same problem, and by the time he is fluent in classics the books and reading will be totally corrupted.
>>25582320>to study literature seriouslyYour study should not be serious ('Candor is the only wile' --Emily Dickinson), leave 'sincerity' soi-disant to the 'social scientists' and their hard science models with their penchant for the word 'rigor'If you want help and encouragement with Shakespeare read a G. Wilson Knight volume, Spurgeon's Shakespeare's Imagery (or Tuve's Elizabethan and Metaphysical Imagery), but start with Goddard's charming The Meaning of Shakespeare volumes as you make your way through the plays-- and make sure you're reading Pelican editions (of the plays) as you make your way through. All of these will arouse your interest, 'hook you,' help you.A good introduction to both 'the Greeks' and Renaissance are Burckhardt's books. If you want help with Homer read Otto's The Homeric Gods, Brann's Homeric Moments, or if you want something more dry, more trustworthy, there's always Burkert's Homeric Religion (a good book nonetheless). For Virgil start W. F. Jackson Knight's Roman Vergil, the best book on him in English by an obsessed (though controlled) maniac who knows everything worth knowing about him, and his verse. I could go but'll stop here. Good luck
>>25582853>politicalYour own focus. Each is also imaginative, poetical, social, personal, prophetic..
>>25583627??? Aristotle would defend the zooworldorder for the plebs.
>>25583653Not OP, but please go on. These are some excellent recommendations.
>>25582320If you want to apply for a lit programme, do it in East Yuropooria.
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>>25582320OKAY KID, I'LL MAKE YOU A NO-NONSENSE CURRICULUM1. GRAB A BOOK YOU HAVE ALREADY FINISHED WHILE YOU WERE ON YOUR ASS OR THE THINNEST BOOK YOU CAN FIND IN YOUR HOUSE - EVEN A SINGULAR A4 SHEET WITH TEXT WILL DO2. TAKE IT TO THE KITCHEN AND LAY THE BOOK ON THE KITCHEN COUNTERTOP3. STUDY THAT BOOK FRONT-TO-BACK, INCLUDING PAGE NUMBERS, I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU HAVING STUDIED THE BOOK 100%4. REPEAT5. REPEAT6. REPEAT7. REPEAT8. REPEAT9. REPEAT10. REPEAT11. REPEAT12. REPEAT13. REPEATCONGRATULATIONS: YOU NOW HAVE STUDIED THE THE TEXT 10 TIMES AND FULLY DESERVE A 10/10 MARKTHÉN WHAT?KEEP DOING THAT METHOD, SWITCH UP THE TEXTS IF YOU WANT TOEVEN IF YOU HAVE TO TACKLE THE TEXTS LETTER-BY-LETTER, CHARACTER-BY-CHARACTER, PARAGRAPH-BY-PARAGRAPH, YOU WÍLL SEE ACHIEVEMENT IN YOUR WORKTHE HIGHER YOU WANT TO GO WITH LITERATURE, THE WORKIER IT WILL BEEVEN IF YOU ARE ONLY FED - IN YOUR OPINION - IDIOTIC TEXTS, STUDY THEM ANYWAY, AND LEARN TO SEE WHERE THE IDIOCIES AND THE FALLACIES IN THE TEXTS AREYOU CAN ALWAYS LEARN, BOTH FROM OTHERS' FAILURES, AS WELL AS THEIR MISTAKESMY ADVICE MIGHT BE ONE BIG FAILURE, WHO THE FLIP AM í TO KNOW? BUT IN THE TINY CASE OF A CHANCE THAT IT IS A SUCCESS:THENWE'RE ALL GOING TO MAKE IT
>>25586965*YOU CAN ALWAYS LEARN, BOTH FROM OTHERS' FAILURES, AS WELL AS THEIR SUCCESSSEE? EVEN I AM IN NEED OF SELF-CORRECTION, STILL
>>25585530Bruno Snell, The Discovery of the MindE. R. Curtius, European Literature and the Latin Middle AgesArthur Lovejoy, The Great Chain of BeingJohan Huizinga, The Autumn of the Middle AgesErich Auerbach, Mimesis (his book on Dante might be worth checking out but I have not read it)Angus Fletcher (the dead scholar with that name), Allegory: The Theory of a Symbolic ModeFrances Yates, The Occult Philosophy in the Elizabethan Age (despite the title its concerns are mostly literary, moreso than the titles of hers most frequently mentioned here: The Art of Memory and Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition-- both excellent, as is most all her workMy favorite Harold Bloom volume is probably The Daemon Knows; my favorite Helen Vendler is On Extended Wings: Wallace Stevens' Longer Poems (very helpful, this one)
>>25582320ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS, IN THE ORDER THAT YOU ASKED THEM:1. NO.2. YES.3. YES.4. NO.5. YES.
>>25583653would you recommend the Arden editions of Shakespeare for a more complete understanding of the context?
>>25586965We "all" share the same "fate" make our collective civilization GREAT.
>>25587389WHAT'S GREAT-LY DISAPPOINTING IS THAT YOU CAN NOT TYPE A GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT ENGLISH SENTENCEAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY YOUR QUOTATION MARKS IS DEBATABLEASK NOT WHAT YOUR COLLECTIVE CIVILIZATION CAN DO FOR YOU, ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COLLECTIVE CIVILIZATIONBECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT IN A BETTER IF YOU WANT TO NOT FEEL LIKE A BURDEN TO SOME, A RIGHT AND JUST FEELING AT YOUR LEVEL OF ENGLISH GRAMMAR
>>25586975I am YOU and YOU are ME it is "ALL" "US"We share the same selfTo be more Inclusive I would say Self-Improvment* I think it includes Self-Correction but it is about becoming TRANSCENDENT( We should "all" chase stars ;)We will "settle" the "space"!
>>25587414A Space between ever word!Oh I "mean" world*( "press" "enter" ;)
>>25582320Just read for your own pleasure, follow your instinct
>>25587414I AM NOT SHARING MY WOMAN WITH YOUFETCH YOURSELF A WOMAN OF YOUR OWNHEDONIST CLOWN
>>25582320Get yourself one of these and avoid the post-colonial/feminist/etc. essays. It’s actually a valuable tool if you want to study literature seriously Also the Norton Anthology of English Literature covers a vast amount of early modern stuff, albeit mostly excerpted. But it’s a good way to find stuff you like before committing to buying and reading the entire Fairie Queene or whatever
>>25587381I've seen an Arden but I've never looked through one; I like the Pelican essays, and the full character names in the plays, but I'm sure the Arden's fine
>>25582320its just a goddamn niggerbook for fuck sake - none of these things are sacrilege or something. I always find academia, university, or whatever institution-literature teaching to be futile and extremely retarded because of this entire rationalization and linearity obsession fiasco.Read whatever you like, distill the theme, pick your next reading out of those interests, and that's it. To put it simply: you dont have to start with plato if you dont have any interest with plato, but you have to start with wimpy kid if you have any interest with wimpy kid novel
>>25587353Excellent, this is why I still lurk here. All new to me except Huizinga. Thanks a lot, anon.
>>25582320Yale has a recorded 2009 introduction to literary theory if you want to get a decent survey of some of the areas a specialties. There are lectures on the ones you don't like, but you can either skip those or listen to them to at least get an idea of what you're complaining about from the academic angle. Some of it can seem a little schizoidal, but a broad overview can help you find theory traditions you identify with more strongly and go from there.https://oyc.yale.edu/english/engl-300
>>25587675>Read whatever you like, distill the theme, pick your next reading out of those interests, and that's it>he’s a themefagLmao. God forbid people actually study literary techniques to understand how a text works, rather than merely what it talks about. Why bother reading the book at all when you could find a book tuber talking about the themes?
>>25582320yes leftism is a disease
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How about you stop posting in all caps
