What is the /lit/ consensus on Flannery O'Connor?
>>25582770she's pretty
Quirky gf material
She couldn't see past her own beliefs and because of that failed to achieve greatness by her own standards. Which she was very aware of and it wasn't just modesty.
She's got one of the biggest cocks in the short story game and it's not really arguable. Cool ass writing, everything that matters in them is vivid and memorable, and the stories are often about stuff that's worth talking about.She's incredibly influential. There's a clutch of /lit posters that hate the style of writing that the Iowa Writers Workshop is responsible for. O'Connor is the one who is probably most responsible for that style. Or at least the one who is most representative of it.
I was just looking into her earlier today in connection with another author I just read.
Total christcuck death
Any highlights or places to start if I’m just getting into FOC?
>>25583046she's only got two novels (with a third unfinished post-humous novel), plus there's a complete stories colection published.
>>25583046She’s best known for her short stories. Read A Good Man Is Hard to Find and Good Country People
>>25582770she can get it
>>25582770>womantrash
>>25582770one of the greatest short story writers to ever live>>25583046picrel, start with A Good Man Is Hard To Find
>>25583553Why is a good man hard to find?
>>25583554Look at the state of the world o algo.
>>25583616But her books were written like a hundred years ago or something!
>>25582770Her novels are merely very good, her stories are works of genius
>>255827705/10 looks. What is her personality like? Could make the juice worth the squeeze.
>>25583662Non-pointy elbows are hard to find.
>>25582863Don't dilate your clitty too hard.
>>25582777checked>>25583702kekd
>>25583662For her entire life she was a serious Catholic (her prayer journal was published some time after her death). She had a strong obsession with and affection for birds. She had to watch her father die young of lupus. By the time she attended the Iowa Writers Workshop she was so strong a writer that she was a standout throughout her time there. She graduated in '47. By '52 she was herself diagnosed with the same type of lupus that killed her father. She was given five years to live but made it 12. Despite constantly being fucked by her illness and the drugs to treat it she wrote every day and made many public appearances in support of her writing and to give lectures.She apparently only ever had one boyfriend, briefly, with whom she probably shared no more than a kiss. She had an aggressive sense of humor, took her intellectual interests very seriously, and was a disciplined, hard worker. Perhaps even a workaholic. Probably a very difficult person to have a romantic relationship with.
>>25584727You're forgetting the most important detail; every day of her adult life, she hobbled to Mass on her crutches down the gravel road connecting her mother's house and the church. It was an excruciating walk for her. She did it every day.
Far too obsessed with mean-spirited grotesques
>>25584733Based
While generally progressive (voting for JFK and supporting MLK Jr. and the civil rights movement in general) she is not as widely read as one would expect. In part that is because of a story she wrote with the title "The Artificial Nigger" and a quote from a letter where she said:>You know, I'm an integrationist, by principle, and a segregationist, by taste. I don't like negroes. They all give me a pain, and the more of them I see, the less and less I like them. Particularly the new kind.She isn't the sort of cool racist that 4chan longs for, so don't get your hopes up. The above quote describes it exactly: intellectually non-racist but instinctually put off by black people. Keep in mind that she was very much the sort of person who ran her life through her thoughts rather than her feelings. But if she is on the syllabus someone in the class is going to say something anyway.
>>25584809But she sounds based.
>>25584809Everything that Rises Must Converge is a pretty scathing takedown of what would later become virtue-signalling leftoids. The story is basically about how a redditor failson hates his mother because she is this nice, old racist lady that patronizes black people. The son fantasizes about his mother being deathly ill and having to be treated by a black doctor. Mother has a stroke and dies on the sidewalk. Realizes he has been using black people as a weapon against his mother and not really seeing them as people. O'Connor doesn't get enough credit as a writer. I imagine it's largely because she's a woman but doesn't fit the mold for what women want to read. She's not " based," but she was a serious thinker and had no problem showing the darkness of the world to the point of it becoming grotesque. To really understand her, you have to understand the christian concept of grace. The presence of God freely given. Her whole thing is "violent grace". Change imposed upon people that is for their own good, but is supremely painful, or even damaging in it's delivery.
>>25584833"Based" is a faggoty cliche. O'Connor it's a supremely gifted storyteller with deep rooted, passionate beliefs. She's not the kind of person that sugar coats anything or is deceptive or who would compromise her art for career gains, even though she was serious about being read. Hopefully these things matter more about a person to you than if she was mean to left leaning weenies or confrontational with black people with the partial negative reactions she had to them, which from my understanding, is 95% of what being based consists of.
>>25584990She loves to lance cluelessness, well meaning or not, and it is fair to say that most of the examples of that in Converge are "leftoid" type characters. But the left is always a juicer target anyway because they're supposed to be the smart ones with supports to their beliefs. That is to say, a leftist belief can be criticized for being baseless and for being stupid. On the right your beliefs are supposed to be free of the burden of being justified, you can just say "That's how I feel" and the right thinks are supposed to not question their right to freely believe, even if it's nonsense. I think also that she can target the people she does so well because she is familiar with them. They are her people. She's not punching down so much as operating on what she's most familiar with.
>>25582770>What is the /lit/ consensus on Flannery O'Connor?I'd make her drink my macerated shit mixed with white tequila. I know: white tequila. I'm evil.
>>25582770I'm now older than her when she died and I still haven't published anything
>>25585616You still have time
>>25586396Don't tell him that. Now he'll never buckle down
>>25584833>But she sounds based.
>>25582770If /lit/ wasn't so afraid of women /lit/ would love her. Queen of the South, queen of the short story.
her stupid mysticism which taint and homogenize (i feel like too many of them pointlessly punish characters for their pride) the stories aside, she is pretty great and one of my favorites. great clinical eye for detail.
It would have been best if on some ninety degree night in Dogwater, Georgia, one where her sister helped her take a bath before bed, if I lead her out into a nearby grove, shaved off her enormous bush, and made her cum with a chewed up old chicken feather.
Wonderful and acerbic writer, one of my all time favorites. Very witty as well. >Everywhere I go I'm asked if I think the university stifles writers. My opinion is that they don't stifle enough of them.Kek
>>25582770You're going to have to give a QRD because I guarantee if I look up who that is on wikipedia it will just say all her writings contain left wing pro-communism feminism themes or some shit even if what she wrote was "all niggers should hang, suck dick get money money"
>>25584809>hates niggersbased>>25586557>>25585102>cringy reddit niggers crying about itKEK
>>25582770i prefer flann o’brien
>>25582863ynwbpossessed of a serious philosophical worldview
>>25582770>What is the /lit/ consensus on Flannery O'Connor?Who cares?>Should I have a look at her?Yes. She can write, no question about it.>Will I like her?I don't find her stories very pleasant reading. She's mean-spirited; she can't help but wallow in the worst that humanity has to offer. She's a kind of literary Hieronymus Bosch. She's never happier than when ‘exposing’ the sins of her characters. The best of them, in her eyes, are merely stupid and self-deluding. The rest are also selfish, cruel, stupid and hypocritical. But YMMV. She does have a good sense of humour.>Mean-spirited? Is that because she was crippled?More likely because she was a Roman Catholic. She reminds me of Graham Greene and Evelyn Waugh. If they're your cup of communion wine, you'll probably love her.
>>25582770I like her stuff.
>>25582863she mogs your favourite post modern feminist charlatan to death how do you deal with this emotionally?
>>25582770She's great people just don't like her because she is too direct about what people are like for better and worse>>25584990I don't think this gives her fair credit she also presents anti-chrisitian figures where if they take what they think seriously it's just as violent as grace but sort of inverts onto themselves. She isn't against "left" or "athiests" she is against lukewarm normies and things serious and direct people coping with reality are what open things up and that opening up does ultimately point to God however it's not merely "attacking the left"I think it sort of points to what Alisdair macintyre poitns to ethics in the conflicts of modernity that even if you are wrong but still have some rational principle to organize your life around you end up living a more human existence which then opens you up to that which human existence is founded on. People say she is very dark but I do not think so, she shows so long as people are actually engaged with reality we do actually have the means of escaping our more contrived gross aspects. The only persistent enemy is the lukewarm detached normie who doesn't actually care about anything or take anything seriously.
>>25587741>More likely because she was a Roman Catholicmore likely because she had a few pints of irish blood in her.
>>25582788>/lit
