What exactly happened in the end?
they put down the train tracks or something either that or it was a telegraph wire whatever the fuck it was that mccarthy was vagueposting about it signaled the end of the "wild" west
>>25583713RAPE
>>25583718Right, the epilogue. But I meant before that.>>25583720Who raped who?
>>25583737>Who raped who?that's my favorite AC/DC song
>Judge rapes and kills kids throughout the entire novel >Judge rapes and kills THE Kid at the end of the novelPottery.
>>25583822What about the man peeing outside at the end?
>>25583822>Judge rapes and kills kidssource?
>>25583959The book.
>>25583967Literally never shows him raping or murdering children, ever.
>>25583981>rapingJust him naked with them and them sodomized. >literally never shows him murdering a child Erm, read it again, sweetie.
>>25583954Different man. A simple kind of man.
>>25584004>Just him naked with them and them sodomized.He was dancing naked under the moonlight, that's not a crime.>Erm, read it again, sweetie.Nah you should, because it literally never once depicts him murdering or raping a child.
>>25584012He was also naked in the room with the little girl and the retard fucking their pea-brains out. He murders a kid in front of Toadvine which makes Toadvine pull a yistol on him. Read. *claps* The. *claps Freakin. *claps* Book sister! *clocks it*
The innocence of The Kid was forever tainted by The Judge who throughout the novel took the innocence of many creature: him corrupting the retard and the many children he ruined and the spirits of his companions to follow his bloody campaign, just as McCarthy ruined the innocent perception of the western genre, and just as progress put an end to the Wild West.
>>25584019>He was also naked in the room with the little girl and the retard fucking their pea-brains out. So, by your own admission, it never showed the Judge fucking either of them, or any other kid.>He murders a kid in front of Toadvine which makes Toadvine pull a yistol on him. Toadvine fell back and rode up again, he didn't see the Judge kill the kid at all.>Read. *claps* The. *claps Freakin. *claps* Book sister! *clocks it*Take your own advice, you monumental faggot nigger.
>>25584029>him corrupting the retardThe retard was smeared in and eating his own shit when the Judge found him, his new life was objectively an upgrade.
IT DOESNT MATTER! INTERPRET IT HOWEVER YOU WANT, SO CALLED "FREE THINKER!"
>>25584033Him killing and scalping the child was the reveal that it had been him killing the children. Him naked with the little girl and the retard was the reveal that it was the Judge raping them as well. You got no diffed by a middlebrow writer.
>>25584046>Him killing and scalping the child was the reveal that it had been him killing the children.But, again, it was never shown.>Him naked with the little girl and the retard was the reveal that it was the Judge raping them as well.But, again, it was never shown.>You got no diffed by a middlebrow writer.Just admit you lost and hold this L.
>>25584052OOH OOH AH AH! *beats chest* AH! AH! *fingers asshole* *sniffs*
>>25584053I accept your full and unconditional surrender, thanks for playing.
>>25584059You will never admit that it went over your head and feel embarrassed now, so what can I say, but that I have educated you to the best of my ability and you now know that you were wrong and the work is better understood for it in a world where most people just watch a youtube video on it and think The Judge is Satan and an epic bad hombre so I am at least happy with that and I hope you read material more carefully now with a thought towards implication and allusions.
>>25584065>wall of seething copeI pointed out that the book never shows him raping or murdering kids. You claimed it did, and then failed to provide any evidence, because it actually doesn't. You lost. Spool up your prolapsed rectum and fuck off.
>>25584066You do not believe that Judge Holden killed and raped kids in the novel?
Judge murders dismembers the kid and carries on doing what he has been doing, with the apparent metaphorical implications regarding the American West and Mexico following after.
>>25584069Irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is about whether the book actually shows him raping or murdering children, which it does not.
>>25584076Predictable response. I refer you to this post again. >>25584065
>>25584081I refer you to this post again. >>25584066
>>25584066The most clearly stated thing about Judge Holden is that he's huge and hairless and pale. The next most clearly stated thing is that he rapes kids. It's addressed three times as directly and clearly as McCarthy ever addresses anything beyond a physical description.At best you're just arguing a technicality, saying it wasn't directly stated. Which is an incredibly useless and stupid point to screech about.
>>25584089He knows brotha. He will be better next discussion. Just how these things go when you're learning and feel embarrassed.
>>25584089>The next most clearly stated thing is that he rapes kids. It's addressed three times as directly and clearly as McCarthy ever addresses anything beyond a physical description.He never depicts it, not even once. Try again.>>25584094You lost.
>>25584098He never said he depicted it. He said it's addressed as directly as McCarthy is willing to sans a physical description. So, do you disagree and do you think that McCarthy was not implying that?
>>25584098NTA but why does it need to be explicitly depicted to have happened if it's strongly implied to have happened? You're being way too autistic in this thread and quite frankly, it's embarassing.
>>25584112>implying>>25584118>strongly impliedSo, it was never confirmed. I stand undefeated. Cry about it.
>>25584123Lame. I was curious how you'd get out of that one and it was disappointing, but I should have expected it since you didn't realize Judge friggin Holden was raping and killing in Blood Meridian until it had to be spelled out for you. Don't stop reading though, it's very rewarding.
>>25584127>you didn't realize Judge friggin Holden was raping and killing in Blood Meridianneverprovenfaggot
>>25584136So you don't think it then?
>>25584141Irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
>>25583718Im curious as to where the judge, if were to take him at face value as an actual being who doesn’t age, ended up after the Wild West had fully ended in the 1910s.
>>25584159President of the United States. He'd get my vote.
>>25584152It's not. Follow the thread. >>25584112
>>25584169I refer you to >>25583981>>25584004
>>25584173Take the L, bud.
>>25584165Like a more proactive Andrew Jackson for the 20th century>>25584152>>25584159Stop being gay, both of you.
>>25584184Meant to reply to, you know what, never mind.
>>25584173That's a different discussion. Follow the thread.
>>25584178Too late, you're already holding it.
>>25584186No, it's the same discussion in the same chain of replies. I accept your concession (again).
>>25584190You said he never depicted it, which that anon never said, and to try again. In response to that I say it is heavily implied, do you disagree that it is implied?
>>25584200>which that anon never said>>25584004I accept your full and unconditional surrender.
>>25584190Wrong. The original comment said the Judge kills and rapes a kid. It never said the Judge is explicitely shown raping and killing a kid in detail. You derailed the thread by demanding that it must be explicit to be done, which is fallacious. Strong direct implication by the author is all that is needed to show that a character does an act, such as being naked alone with a naked little girl. Your disagreement with this is nothing more than your severe autism acting up, not an actual argument.
>>25584203Those are two different people. Now that it has been explicitly stated maybe you can grasp it.
Judge Holden's public defender shat all over this thread
>>25584283If the book doesn't depict, you must acquit.
>>25584159He doodles around in different parts of the territory until 1993 when he becomes the villain in the long part of Bolano's 2666.
>>25584052>i need everything explicitly spelled out for mepost your hand, brownie
>>25584046>>25584052This guy is right and you're acting like a bitch. It never shows him doing any of that stuff. It is just heavily, heavily implied.
>>25583822>be kid 90% of the novel>no rape>become man>rapedYour conclusion falls apart here.
>>25584760See the first reply in your post? Read that last sentence one more time.
>>25583822Wrong and wrong. Try again.
>>25583713>i am become.. le war..
>we're told on page 1 that the MC is a psycho killer in the making>a person with big hands are killing children throughout the book>we're literally shown the large handed MC killing a child and fiddling with the corpse>a midget prostitute immediately spots his type>he is eyeing the bear girl during the entire bar scene (where a supernatural version of the Judge gets summoned the instant whisky touches his lips)Gee I wonder what happened in the jakes?
>>25586511>we're literally shown the large handed MC killing a child and fiddling with the corpseWhat are you referring to?
>>25586511 What an insanely retarded take. Bravo.
>>25583713everyone died, was forgotten, and the west was tamed.
>>25586535My diary desu
>>25586511>a person with big hands are killing children throughout the bookI'm not the other guy and not interested in this argument but here's an interesting tangential issue:In Samuel Chamberlain's autobiography "Confessions of a Rogue" (the main source for the background of Blood Meridian) SC says that Judge Holden had enormous hands. At one point a young girl is found raped and murdered with a huge hand-mark on her throat and everyone knows it must have been the Judge but they daren't do anything.In BM, though, Cormac goes out of his way to say that the Judge has *small* hands.Wonder why he made that specific change?
>>25583718A FENCE POSTA FUCKING FENCE POST ITS NOT THE WILD WESTIF WE HAVE IT FENCED INFUCK
>>25587909Ah but what is a fence but the reining in of wild stallions such as myself that would be a proper cowboy with a pistol and a hard attitude? As it is in this day and I age I am 300lbs and atrophied. Oh, to be a cowboy with sooted under-nails and club feet and a hard dick! If I only had been born in a different age, my flaccid and flabby penis and tummy would be made of harder material...
>>25587909Fenceposts obviously had special significance for CM. He mentions them several times in the Border Trllogy, not usually in a good way:WHEN THEY CAME SOUTH out of Grant County Boyd was not much more than a baby and the newly formed county they’d named Hidalgo was itself little older than the child. In the country they’d quit lay the bones of a sister and the bones of his maternal grandmother. The new country was rich and wild. You could ride clear to Mexico and not strike a crossfence.— The CrossingThey came up out of the river breaks riding slowly side by side along the dusty road and onto a high plateau where they could see out over the country to the south, rolling country covered with grass and wild daisies. To the west a mile away ran a wire fence strung from pole to pole like a bad suture across the gray grasslands and beyond that a small band of antelope all of whom were watching them.— All The Pretty HorsesOr there's the bit in Child Of God where Lester sets fenceposts to earn money for the rifle and then stops right in the middle of a field or something when he has enough.
>>25587777Le whacky mysterious rape demon looks like a giant baby xD
>>25584205>>25584209you lost and I won, and that's all that matters
>>25583737>Who raped who?Nigga, did you even read the book? Judge was dancing in the end, he was the one doing the raping. The protagonist is humanity confronting the evil side of themself. Kid realizes that world will never get rid of Judge (evil). He is immortal. As long as humans breath, so long the Judge will live. The message of ending is a bleak one, the protag succumbs to this fact. He doesn't try to overcome it, he accepts it, and Judge devours him
>>25583737I think the man was likely raped and killed by the judge but I suppose there's a small chance he might have lived.>>25583718There's a possibility it might be Walter De Maria's Lightning Field art installation, at least according to the recent biography.>>25584029I think the judge hates the kid because he can't taint him. The kid isn't perfect but he still bears some clemency in his heart for the heathen, even to the end.>>25584287Kek
>>25588005I don't think he accepts or condones the Judge's metaphorical place in humanity, he's the one who has most successfully resisted the Judge throughout the novel. It's probably the reason why The Kid is the protagonist. The Judge is just not something that can be beaten long term. It's notable that this most successful resistance involved not taking a clean shot at The Judge when he had the chance. But I think it's pretty obvious that everyone who did just ended up dead sooner for it.
>>25588012There is no indication at all that the Judge raped the kid in the Jake's, only that he killed him. The retard that was posting earlier in the thread about how the judge was never shown directly raping kids is a bad reader and disingenuous poster and should be ignored, but in this case killing is what makes sense. It is what happened to every member of the gang. The Judge doesn't have an interest in raping other practitioners of war, he is only interested in raping those with a partial capacity for thought, like children and possibly the retard and definitely that guy that was posting about how the Judge wasn't the rapist.The judge doesn't hate anyone, not especially anyway. He kills the kid organically when it is his time to do so. He doesn't go out of his way to get anyone in the book, he does whatever he is interested in and kills along the way.
>>25583737The man was raped by le society
>>25588083I'll grant it's unclear if he was raped or not but I think it's supposed to be something pretty horrific either way. I think it's why Cormac intentionally doesn't show it.
>>25588954Reasonable take
>>25588083>The retard that was posting earlier in the thread about how the judge was never shown directly raping kids is a bad reader and disingenuous poster and should be ignored, but in this case killing is what makes sense>I'm allowed to infer things, but you aren't I'm going to count that as another concession.
>>25583713War rapes us all, or makes us all gay, or something
The Judge rapes the kid at the end and prolly kills him. The sparks of the post holes or whatever that was is the White man marching on into the West giving the Divine spark to the brown sub niggers
>>25589437>The sparks of the post holes or whatever that was is the White man marching on into the West giving the Divine spark to the brown sub niggersbest and most coherent explanation I've heard of the epilogue so far
>>25583713You guys are all missing the point. Just like the retards bickering over the unimportant details of the harness maker story. Instead of asking "what happened?" you should be asking "why didnt McCarthy make it clear what happened?" It's unclear because it's not important. What is important is their conversation and the dance that concludes the story. That's where you'll find the thematic clues that give you all the details you need, and explain why this discussion is pointless.
I must confess, I haven't looked up 90% of the Spanish words.
>>25588775Poot made it out of The Game, D'Angelo and Sobatka are the ones who truly got fucked by the system
>>25587992>Stavros as Holden>Nick as Glanton>Adam as The KidGod that would be an awesome podcast.
>New Chusan rose above them, a short swim away, and up on the mountain they could hear the bells of the cathedral ringing.
>>25590468The Kid didn't know Spanish either. Learn it or don't look it up is what I say.
>>25588012>There's a possibility it might be Walter De Maria's Lightning Field art installation, at least according to the recent biography.wut? Lightning feild wasn't created until the 1970s. I'm confused.
>>25589469This. Stop turning books into clue hunts. Books aren't symbolic mysteries to be unlocked. Take it for what it is. If it is unclear that is intentional.
>>25590686If I say to someone that I find it very unlikely that the judge raped the kid at the end of the book it doesn't mean I think that's the most important part of that passage. You don't have to scale your attention to how important something is to the overall narrative, even. Also, if something is large and clear in the book there's not a lot of point in discussing it. Everyone knows already. Most of the things you see discussed with vigor are going to be secondary or vague to begin with. It's part of what makes them discussable.People do get up their own ass hoping some difficult to discern small element they've dumped hours into parsing will turn out to be pivotal. But I don't think anyone thinks that's what they're doing here, other than that "judge doesn't kill kids" red yarn on a corkboard retard.
>>25590672This is how I read it.Next time I go through it I plan to actually look up all the plants and animals and minerals he talks about that I don't recognize.
