what are /lit/'s recommendations for books that investigate the phenomenon where pro-immigration has usurped almost every aspect of communism/socialism?
Its really simple: the church of progressivism always needs new martyrs to feed itself. once gays were normalized they were no longer martyrs. progressivism is thusly self destructing.
>>25586381i'm actually looking for recommendations that talk about parapolitics and behind-the-scenes politics, like aberration in the heartland, since those types of books always trace the actual source of the problem
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>>25586370'I SUGGEST THAT YOU GO WORK AT THE BOOKS THAT YOU CURRENTLY POSSESS'YOU'LL SEE WHAT YOU ASKED ABOUT
>>25586370Communism and socialism are internationalist movements. They advocate the abolition of borders, so have no right to complain about immigration.
>>25586645i understand that but i'm asking: why are the abolition of borders and unlimited immigration the only things that modern day communists/socialists as a group care about?
>>25586391That book is actually anti-flyover yellow journalism from what I know of it
>>25586734where did you hear that
>>25586381"thusly"
>>25586713It's legitimately impressive how so many people on the right will eat anything they're fed.
>>25586713Well that's simply untrue, they also care about making hollow statements calling for the destruction of israel while insisting their gleeful desire to see millions of jews dead is ABSOLUTELY NOT based in antisemitism. And I think they actually believe it too.
>>25586934i'm not even on the right wing>>25586936what do you mean "that's simply untrue"? if you tell them that israelis and jewish people in general play a large part in orchestrating mass migration into the west they screech like banshees and call you an anti-semite for real, so clearly the immigration topic enjoys a higher position on their pyramid of importance than israel does
>>25586967>if you tell them that israelis and jewish people in general play a large part in orchestrating mass migration into the west they screech like banshees and call you an anti-semite for realWell that's my point, they somehow view denying jews national self determination and calling for the "destruction" of Israel, which is by definition genocide and would deaths of millions of jews, as totally divorced from antisemitism. Despite their monomania regarding the jewish state they insist it has nothing to do with the fact that it is the jewish state. That's why I say they may even actually believe it. Even though they have absorbed emirati propaganda that is most certainly antisemitic.The soviets did this as well, they would brutally oppress jews while saying it had nothing at all to do with their judaism, they were just going after "rootless cosmopolitans"
>>25586986you're misunderstanding what i'm saying. i'm telling you that when leftists are confronted with a *real* anti-semite, they instantly call them that because they themselves are not true anti-semites, they're simply anti-anti-palestinians, meaning that they are automatically without their own conscious input anti-israel. israel being jewish isn't the reason for it, it's all about their love for palestine and brown oppressed people. if they were so anti-jewish then they would attack every single jew in america but they whimper like cowards whenever you point out the jew
>>25586370Alain Soral
>>25587228Tell a communist/socialist that you're jewish, and you think the slogan "globalize the intifada" is antisemitic, and see what happens. They will both insist they are not antisemitic, and refuse to stop using that slogan.
>>25586370Remigration, a total ban on third world mass migration, and strict border control. It's not that complicated, morons. If you're afraid of getting called "racist" then you deserve to get your country destroyed.
Leftists don’t actually care about immigrant rights. They do care about supporting Islamism, which is why they are natural allies of Arabs in Europe. Don't believe me? Try to find leftists standing up for immigrants/workers in Qatar or Saudi.
>>25586391The problem is that neoliberalism demands constant growth and the number go up attitude has so pervasively integrated itself into the governance of the western world that our political parties are actually incapable of implementing anything other than slight temporary decreases. This is particularly acute in North America, where if the flow is slowed even a little, a million companies scream that they can't possible stay in business without quasi-slave labour from the third world. So you get this totally insane dichotomy where the political left that is ostensibly pro-labour argue for corporations to have access to infinite scabs, and supposedly nationalistic right wing parties talk a big game about cracking down on immigration, but then allow a million loopholes in the name of being 'business friendly.' Things like ICE barely exist to deport anyone, they just are there to terrorize the indentured mystery meat workers so they don't get uppity and ask for more money. If you wanted to actually get rid of illegals in America you'd save a lot of time shutting down companies that use illegal labour and imprisoning their CEOs and anyone involved in staffing them.
>>25586370>infographics
>>25586370another
>>25586370this 1 is about europe - see current news
>>25586370False assumption
>Cultural Marxism is obsessed with turning everything into a melting pot>NO WAY! HOLY SHIT!?! You don't need a book for this. It's just a logical deduction, dipshit.
>The Anglo-Soviet Accord, Ullman>Moscow and the West,, Sergei Platonov
>tfw anti-immigration marxistRevolution is impossible under an open-border policy because you have hundreds of thousands of scabs being imported into the country who weaken the native worker’s bargaining power, undercutting them by accepting lower and lower wages. Progressivism is literally incompatible with Marxism and it boggles my mind to see so many self-avowed “leftists” subscribing to an ideology that is totally antithetical to class consciousness by making everyone compete to serve their own particular self-interest groups (race, gender, sexuality, etc.) in a race to the bottom. Marx literally predicted all of this in his philosophical and economic manuscripts.
>Sky daddyist McMonopoly Moneybag fetishists calling anyone else's ideology "an infantile disorder"
>>25588579Anon, modern day "lefties" lack any kind of critical thinking skills. The majority of these "left-wing" people aren't even real people, they're just the genetic anomalies who wouldn't exist without the help of modern medicine. Same can also be said about the modern "right.". Basically, they're chattel.
>>25588579nationalism is a spook to distract from class consciousness
>>25588602I don’t disagree, but then again it’s not as if the working class needs to be intelligent. The problem is the entire left-wing movement has been brainwashed by a liberal intelligentsia that only cares about enflaming the culture war and cementing division through identity politics, all because it’s good for business. Intersectionality is the death of radical left-wing politics as we know it
>>25588610So is progressivism. But at least nationalism has a chance simply because it speaks to the interests of the actual working class base, and not the middle class liberals who just want shopping mall bathrooms to be made more accessible for queer disabled latinx transexuals so they can continue to indulge in conspicuous consumption.
>>25588579I find nationalism a dangerous vice. Nationalism is used as a form of petty-bourgeois chauvinism. You are proposing a red-brown alliance/Nazbol/Strasserism. This ideology redirects the anger against the bourgeoise who uses the immigrant as a reserve army of labor (yes, Marxist concept) to the worker, and shields the capitalist behind a smokescreen of racial or national grievance. It is a core component of fascism and class collaboration. Mussolini and Hitler made their goal to create a "socialism" that replaced class struggle with race, and appropriating syndicalist and communist rhetoric in their campaigning before violently purging on behalf of the bourgeoise. The core task is political integration of all workers into the class struggle. To accept the dichotomy between the national and international proletariat is to accept the premise that labor is merely a commodity to be hoarded within a domestic cartel, rather than recognizing that the entire mechanism of wage labor must be abolished universally. What does nationalism do? You're begging the managing committee of the capitalist ruling class to enact protectionist legislation to preserve your local bargaining posture within capitalism. It abandons the ultimate objective of the revolutionary overthrow of the capitalist state and the dictatorship of the proletariat in exchange for petty-bourgeois national insulation. Lenin outlined explicitly in Imperialism: the Highest Stage of Capitalism that imperialist core nations deliberately divide the working class by offering crumbs to the domestic labor aristocracy funded by imperialist profits abroad.
>>25588614The working-class has nothing to do with modern day leftism. Just look at the UK. Labour, a party that was traditionally the working class party, is now the party of the middle-class left-wing university educated chaste. The only genuine working class people who genuinely still support Labour are just the Northern boomers who are still haunted by Margaret Thatcher's ghost. The working class is reactionary more than anything.
>>25588626Nationalism is unavoidable and rooted in deeply hardwired realities. Progressivism as >>25588625 said is an unnatural phenomena forced by liberalism and at the barrel of a gun, and attaching the left to it has harmed its ability to resonate with workers and rendered it an aesthetic movement of signaling moralism for the bourgeoise and PMC.
>>25588626they already tried this debate. national communism and socialism in one country defeated trotskyism. globalism is not compatible with communism
>>25588626>The core task is political integration of all workers into the class struggle. To accept the dichotomy between the national and international proletariat is to accept the premise that labor is merely a commodity to be hoarded within a domestic cartel, rather than recognizing that the entire mechanism of wage labor must be abolished universally.A fair point, I don’t disagree at all. I suppose I am grasping at something more palpably achievable at a local scale at the expense of a truly universal overthrow of our current situation. I would have no issue with immigration whatsoever under such conditions, but I see no way to get there. Perhaps it’s a lack of imagination on my part. You’ve certainly given me a lot to think about regardless, I’ll reconsider the next time I think about indulging in my nationalist tendencies. thanks anon
>>25588098The question is what is the mechanism by which leftists have been convinced to protect this process instead of protesting it
>>25588626“The left is more like a police force for, than an alternative to, the right.”Mass immigration at this point only benefits capitalists at the expense of the working class. Furthermore it seems like there’s nothing wrong with workers wanting ethnic self-determination. Imagine we have a proletarian utopia all over the globe but Tibetans are worried about preserving their unique culture so they heavily restrict migration
>>25588657Shareholder corporatism.
>>25588657Recuperation, Debordian spectacle
>>25586370What makes me better at answering your question than you?
>>25588579>marxism is white genocideYeah that's what the internet has been screaming from the internet rooftops, it's extremely obvious. You're false-flagging, and it's a funny false flag, but half the marxists are consciously aware of it and they want white genocide so yeah that's what you get.
>>25587743notice how you are bringing palestine into the argument again? that's because the lynchpin for their entire belief in this particular subject is palestine, not israel. though it must be said that brown communists/socialists are more hostile to jews than white brown/socialists are, for obvious reasons
>>25587790>Leftists don’t actually care about immigrant rights.100%. they only care about non-whites and therefore actively fight *against* white immigrants. these same people are in charge of the EU, which is why they say it's impossible to turn back all the african male economic migrants but are somehow able to instantly deny asylum to male ukrainians who are actual war refugees as if it wasn't obvious enough when high quality immigrants like white collar workers with masters degrees who have to jump through so many legal hoops just to stay for a few months are booted out and their spot is taken by a literal criminal from morocco who throws their passport away on arrival and is given an apartment, welfare benefits and so on. it's all by design
>>25589037>which is why they say it's impossible to turn back all the african male economic migrantsand just an FYI in case people were unaware, this is a multi billion dollar industry involving multiple sectors from finance to construction
