When Nietzsche said “God is dead” he meant that God is not necessary for our morality anymore. He meant that we had been lying to ourselves about God, using him to create an artificial system of morality that is no longer viable.When he says we killed God, he means that our science, skepticism, education, and technology have pushed us past the point where believing in miracles is possible; but as a consequence of this murder we are lost, have no goals, no aspirations, no values. Christianity was a made up morality, but it served a kind of purpose.The resulting nihilism results in despair, or requires us to look deeper within us and find a new source of human values.That’s what Nietzsche hoped would happen, but that is not what happened.The modern twist to Nietzsche is that we didn’t kill God after all: we enslaved him. Instead of completely abandoning God and embracing a will to power, or taking a leap of faith back towards the “mystery” of God because the angst was too great to bear; instead of those opposite choices, God has been kept around as a paid-for judge. They accept the “morality” but secretly retain the right of exception: “yes, but God knows that in this case…”Atheists do this just as much but pretend they also don’t believe in “God”. “Murder is wrong, but in this case….” But of course they’re not referring to the penal code, but to an abstract wrongness that they rationalize as coming from shared collective values or humanist principles or economics or energy or whatever. It’s a “God” behind the God, not a Christian God but something bigger, something that preserves the individual’s ability to appeal to the abstract, the symbolic.”…but in this case…” Those words presuppose an even higher law than the one that says, “thou shalt not.” That God, the one that examines things on a case by case basis, always rules in favor of the individual, which is why he was kept around.But the crucial mistake is to assume that the retention of this enslaved God is for the purpose of justifying one’s behavior, to assuage the superego. That same absolution could have been obtained from a traditional Christianity, “God, I’m sorry I committed adultery, I really enjoyed it and can’t undo that, but I am sorry and I’ll try not to do it again.” Clearly, Christianity hasn’t prevented people from acting on their impulses; nor have atheists seized their freedom and become hedonists.The absence of guilt is not the result of the justification, it precedes the justification. Like a dream that incorporates a real life ringing telephone into it seemingly before the phone actually rings, the absence of guilt hastily creates an explanation for its absence that preserves the symbolic morality: I don’t feel any guilt…………. because in this case…
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>>25589665This is the quality posts we are invoking, as it add value, create thoughts and raise a questions which may happen to be open ended, this is how the dynamics of "intelligence" process.Thank you for this post.
God is real. Everyone knows he is. Atheism has always been either cope about religious people being mean to them or cope about their lifestyle or wanting to project an aesthetic of "objectivity".He exist. Everyone knows he does. Do what's right.>U-Uh actually mortality is complicated because you have to think of the Therodorian principl-You know what's right. Ask him if you don't. Do what's right. Strive to be better. Death has been defeated.
There is objective evidence that God is dead, and we know it at the second law of thermodynamics. The universe tends toward entropy, meaning that it doesn't have an animating spirit. We are living in the decaying corpse of the Deity that spawned us.
>>25589759You need to reinterpret Philipp Mainländer in context :)
>>25589754I think the original author is being doubtful here also thought provoking.He/She admits that nihilism is a direct consequence of the disbelief in God.Can you please re-read the article again with openness to new ideas?
>>25589757No you got it wrong. It's not actually disbelief of God but ultimately the projection of the disbelief of God.
>>25589759>mfw you realise Bionicle lore is just Mainlander’s philosophy dressed up in maori aesthetics and marketed to kids
>>25589665>But of course they’re not referring to the penal code, but to an abstract wrongness that they rationalize as coming from shared collective values or humanist principles or economics or energy or whatever. It’s a “God” behind the God, not a Christian God but something bigger, something that preserves the individual’s ability to appeal to the abstract, the symbolic.So basically, God is when any symbols or abstractions, in the context of morality.This is 2 or 3 more cope spets beyond r*ddit pantheism.
>>25589665>nor have atheists seized their freedom and become hedonists.Some have.Ethical hedonism does exist I know followers. But you are correct most people still follow deontological ethics from a pseudo god. X is wrong because ot just is. Reason in many ways just repackaged god in a more appealing way to those they call themselves reasonable. I remember watching a show and the characters used "the universe" as a substitute for god. Instead of god did X it was the universe did X.I had hopes in ethical hedonism myself but the short comings of the empirical nature behind that leave me more and more skeptical of it.
>>25589761>>25589768Oh, nice. Didn't realize that idea had philosophical exploration. Thanks for the pointer!The real kicker is that, if the Bible is to be interpreted literally, God's death is recent, since in Genesis, He is show to interact with people directly, and that hasn't happened in a long time.
>>25589754holy cope
>>25589690Fpbp.
>>25589754Based.
>>25589788My own speculation is that God realized that no matter what he does humanity is worse off for it, and the only solution is free will and for God himself to not intervene in the world
>>25590068( The finnest intellectual thoughts should be based on reason ;)
>>25589768How so? The whole plot of Bionicle is reawakening God (Mata Nui), a god who himself learns what life for a non-deity is truly like by taking a mortal form, before returning to godhood to defeat evil. He doesn’t even die, instead choosing to go dormant so that the Matorans can live life making their own choices instead of seeking his leadership
>>25589690>t. didn't get it
>>25589696Nietzsche saw intelligence as the will to power made conscious: the courage to question every value, overcome oneself, and create new meaning. Learning it isn’t collecting facts—it’s forging the strength to reject herd morality and become who you are. Without that, no Übermensch.
>>25590094Fair play, you know the ancient matoran lore better than I. I was just making a dumb superficial parallel, forgive my ignorance
God is truly dead in most of Europe, just a descriptive fact, might be different in parts of America.I don't appeal to objective moral standards. My moral standards are very normal, but I ground them just in my values and my very limited power.
>>25589754I think one of your biggest problems is that you haven't truly explored other positions that are similar to your own.Even if you reject naturalism, there are so many people who don't believe in anything like the monotheistic God.
>>25590072That would be fine, if He allowed an exit, i.e. annihilation for those of us that hate Creation and don't want to reincarnate. From what I can tell, He left no exit, leaving us stuck in His mistake.
