Which one is IT and why?
>>25592147Comedy. Live itself is tragic enough. I just want to feel something happy.
>>25592147Of course tragedy.
>>25592147Tragedy is generally involved with characters struggling against a necessary fate (divine decision, historical necessity, psychological inevitability, etc) greater than their individual will, described immersively from the perspective of that individual will. Comedy is generally involved with characters dealing with an unnecessary fate (due to some avoidable error, stupid idea, mistake, etc), and usually takes a more distanced perspective, where we as the audience laugh at the error, rather than being immersed in the error as one does in tragedy.Both are philosophically interesting. One is the unfree lamenting their fate, the other is the free laughing at their error.I am also fascinated by how easily one can turn into the other. Make the folly of a comedic character too immersive or relatable and it becomes a tragedy. Make the tragic character too hard-headed, or their fate too avoidable, and the tragedy becomes a comedy.
>>25592177Alright. Now try to formulate a though without the use of ai.
>>25592181Thats all home-grown autism baby
>>25592147>tragedyHarry PotterTwilightHunger Games>comedyGargantua and PantagruelUlyssesGravity's RainbowI think the winner is clear
>>25592194Doubt.What's your favorite tragedy and why?What's your favorite comedy and why?Or just pick one you like if you don't do favorites.
>>25592204For tragedy, its kind of a boring pick but i like Oedipus Rex just cause it feels like the most pure, self-reflective tragedy in the sense i described above. The whole thing is about a man being stuck in an inevitable fate that results from him wanting to understand or change that inevitable fate. Alternatively, im not particularly religious, but if you read the passion as one, it is genuinely one of the best tragedies ever written. It kinda transposes this whole tragic necessary conflict onto a divine/metaphysical stage (father why have you forsaken me, etc) For comedy its kinda difficult. I am very fond of Apuleius' Golden Ass and Don Quixot, both of which manage to use comedy as a vehicle for a sort of general humanistic love for the folly of mankind rather than as a way of punching down. Both kinda emanate this feeling that there is something good hidden behind all the stupidity and folly, which i feel is a kind of unique sentiment to comedy.
>>25592224Alright you'll get a pass. First post felt weirdly off.Maybe I'm just going insane.
>>25592177>Make the tragic character too hard-headed, or their fate too avoidable, and the tragedy becomes a comedy.Which is why Romeo & Juliet will always be a comedy with a downer ending in my eyes
>>25592233i guess its this thing AI does where it kinda elaborately defines the terms and bulletpoints each step to give itself the context to "think" in, which was kinda what i was doing there as well.
>>25592147Tragedy certainly has the greater cultural weight at present, though if we're talking about comedies in the classical sense as essentially happy endings then things even out. Still, I think great comedy (funny) writing is so rare because it requires incredible talent married to humble ambition, which is why Wodehouse is great.
>>25592236Yeah I think that was it combined with the spacing. Anyway good taste.
>>25592224>The whole thing is about a man being stuck in an inevitable fate that results from him wanting to understand or change that inevitable fate.My pick is even more boring but mine is Hamlet because he does understand that, he just acts as though he doesn’t care until it’s too late.
>>25592237And Rabelais. Though he seems less humble and more like he’s trying to attack academia as a whole and actually succeeding in this attack since he himself is some kind of mad genius.
>>25592257Rabelais and Don Quixote are probably the cultural pinnacle of comedy, along with Shakespeare (Falstaff in particular). We don't really have much that lives up to their legacy, though Robertson Davies was great and heavily influenced by Rabelais.
>>25592376Not to mention Joyce himself
>>25592203Those top three are tragedies? I only saw the HP movies (they sucked ass) and GR seemed much more like a tragedy than a single thing in those movies.
>>25592224I read the Passion as a comedy
>>25592237>comedies in the classical sense as essentially happy endingswhat the hell are you talking about?
Comedy is more context dependent. It's much more vulnerable to not being comprehensible (or at least to not being funny) to some group of people a hundred years or a few countries away. When we do find something that's funny that's crossed these kinds of boundaries we notice it much more than when a tragedy has done the same. Aside from that effect, where tragedy has a bit of an edge, they are equally potent.
>>25592403A “comedy” in classical literature essentially means anything with an uplifting, happy, positive ending.
>>25592432Source?>look at this secondary literaturePrimary source?
Comedy has been dead for decades if not centuries.
>>25592203>tragedyPhédreHamletAntigone>comedyWell, in an age both relative and ironic where the traditionally bullied have become the bullies and Chad's been cancelled, I fear.. I fear YOU win, anon..
Name ONE genuinely hilarious comedy made within the last hundred years. Go ahead, I'll wait.
>>25592507Ulysse->1922Fuck.
>>25592511Yeah that’s fine. It’s 2012. It was 90 years ago, dumbass
>>25592513No, it's not fine. Because it's not funny.
>>25592513Anon, I come to YOU from the future where it feels pretty much the same but it isn't: October 15th, 2026, in factAMA
>>25592516It is funny. If Oxen of the Sun’s first few pages don’t make you kek that describe bloom’s mundane doctor visits as some post epic battle remedy in the style of Arthurian legend stories, then you lack a soul.
>>25592524Oh wow? Is rape still illegal?
>>25592524He's right, you're wrong. It's still 2012. It's been 2012 for the last 14 years. The Mayans were right. The world ended and we're stuck in an eternal purgatory where it's 2012 for the rest of forever.
>>25592529I'm not reading Poolysses.
>>25592529>The delegation, present in full force, consisted of Commendatore Bacibaci Beninobenone (the semiparalysed doyen of the party who had to be assisted to his seat by the aid of a powerful steam crane), Monsieur Pierrepaul Petitépatant, the Grandjoker Vladinmire Pokethankertscheff, the Archjoker Leopold Rudolph von Schwanzenbad-Hodenthaler, Countess Marha Virága Kisászony Putrápesthi, Hiram Y. Bomboost, Count Athanatos Karamelopulos, Ali Baba Backsheesh Rahat Lokum Effendi, Señor Hidalgo Caballero Don Pecadillo y Palabras y Paternoster de la Malora de la Malaria, Hokopoko Harakiri, Hi Hung Chang, Olaf Kobberkeddelsen, Mynheer Trik van Trumps, Pan Poleaxe Paddyrisky, Goosepond Prhklstr Kratchinabritchisitch, Borus Hupinkoff, Herr Hurhausdirektorpresident Hans Chuechli-Steuerli, Nationalgymnasiummuseumsanatoriumandsuspensoriumsordinaryprivatdocentgeneralhistoryspecialprofessordoctor Kriegfried Ueberallgemein. All the delegates without exception expressed themselves in the strongest possible heterogeneous terms concerning the nameless barbarity which they had been called upon to witness. An animated altercation (in which all took part) ensued among the F. O. T. E. I. as to whether the eighth or the ninth of March was the correct date of the birth of Ireland’s patron saint. In the course of the argument cannonballs, scimitars, boomerangs, blunderbusses, stinkpots, meatchoppers, umbrellas, catapults, knuckledusters, sandbags, lumps of pig iron were resorted to and blows were freely exchanged. The baby policeman, Constable MacFadden, summoned by special courier from Booterstown, quickly restored order and with lightning promptitude proposed the seventeenth of the month as a solution equally honourable for both contending parties.
>>25592550>irish people are barbaric retardsYeah we know, James.
>>25592507Confederacy of Dunces, basically the modern Don Quixote tailor made for this board.
>>25592532Yes. But fantasies of r*pe? Off the charts
>>25592536Muh-maybe the Jehovah's Witnesses are right, too? That we're all actually already dead. We just.. don't know it yet
