Post and discussion about any type of history book.>The Greco-Persian Wars by Peter Green>The long and bitter struggle between the great Persian Empire and the fledgling Greek states reached its high point with the extraordinary Greek victory at Salamis in 480 B.C. The astonishing sea battle banished forever the specter of Persian invasion and occupation. The massive Greek victory, despite the Greeks' inferior numbers, opened the way for the historic evolution of the Greek states in a climate of creativity, independence, and democracy, one that provided a model and an inspiration for centuries to come.https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/307159.The_Greco_Persian_Warshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Persian_WarsPrevious thread: https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25510774
>>25604537Only decent thread on the board please don't let it die. I'm looking for architecture book, treaty or drawings or accounts of an architect of the era working on ecclesiastical buildings, can be small or big, repair job after destructions or the history of one particular building who took decades to be built.
You have a separate, specific board for this shit.
>>25605939People on his don't read books they read wikipedia and argue about religion. We talk about books here on a book board this is the right place to talk about it. At least half of the board have parasitic threads on celeb and other unrelated subjects go talk to them.
>>25605939/his/ is for the two flavors of christfag LARPERS to troll each other. Nothing more.
>>25605933Alberti’s On the Art of BuildingPalladio Four Books of Architecture (esp. books 1 & 4)Ruskin’s Seven Lamps of ArchitectureWittkower’s Architectural Principles in the Age of ArchitectureYou’ll probably get the most enjoyment out of Palladio’s Four Books, it being an illustrated treatise.
>>25605991Will look at all of those thank you, I'm trying to find one with illustrations of the floor plans that's the main thing I'm looking for as drawings.
>>25605953No, actually its atheists that are the real problem, not men of the cloth.
>>25606048C O P E
>The Thirty Years War by C.V. Wedgwood >Europe in 1618 was riven between Protestants and Catholics, Bourbon and Hapsburg--as well as empires, kingdoms, and countless principalities. After angry Protestants tossed three representatives of the Holy Roman Empire out the window of the royal castle in Prague, world war spread from Bohemia with relentless abandon, drawing powers from Spain to Sweden into a nightmarish world of famine, disease, and seemingly unstoppable destruction.https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3432770-the-thirty-years-war
>>25606083Not a cope at all, zoomie. Someday you'll grow up.
>>25606695How's this compare to Peter Wilson's treatment?
What are some other good books about the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
>>25604537Looking for good psychohistory like Norman O. Brown, Julian Jaynes, Erik Erikson and Peter Gay.
>>25604537Peter Green is great. He has a lot of unique takes backed up by impressive scholarship.
>>25605939>>25605953/his/ is a pit, and its tradlarpers and haploniggers that made it so.
>ww2>pacific theater>s01e01 opening scene establishes Japanese as fanatical hardcore soldiers>the future prospect of invasion of Japanese home islands gradually built up through the seasons as the final, most brutal confrontation>deep in season 4>producer tells writers to end the pacific arc early, to line up with the european arc ending at the same time>writers now backed into corner>come up with this bullshit uber weapon>looks like any other bomb, dropped from a single plane, but can destroy an entire city>for some reason writers also decide this weapon is not only overpowered but it can also be mass produced>flashback episode showing how 130k people have been in fact working for years in secret to develop this weapon>130k people working on it for years and the Japanese nor Germans never even got a whiff of itYeah right. They really dropped the ball with this one. I'm fucking done with this show, it's so unrealistic.shitposting aside, any good /his/ articles in short forms? Oftentimes what is sold as a book can be made into way shorter but still succinct format.
>>25604537>>25608627How is Amazon so fucking bad at cataloging books for a company that started selling books?!?!
I'm fully prepared to be answered in the negative, but is the Amazon history editors picks list of any value?https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=17276796011
>>25609244That Tom Clavin book about Peter Ortiz looks interesting.
>>25609244Seems to be almost exclusively about near-contemporary American politics and topics They seems to have forgotten the 'history' part in their lists
>>25609244yeah looks pretty good. Honestly some interesting history can be found thrifting, as some ideas have fallen out of favour. One of the best biographers of Keynes also wrote a biography of Mosely but the academy hated the idea a neo nazi would be academically interesting.>>25610336Dumb take. All books are related to the current era, its how we view the world. Especially history.
>>25608947All I see is tons of atheists there and a few edgy Prots.
>>25609244I have Triumph Of The Yuppies but could use another book about that group of 80s ne'erdowells.
Is The Penguin History of Europe good?
>>25610981>Penguins >In Europe retard kys
Time is a flat circle.
>>25610981Inheritance of Rome is good like any other Chris Wickham book. I don't know about the rest.
>>25605939/his/ fucking sucks and is the religion board for retarded children to bicker at each otherawful board
>>25610981I have the two Pursuits. How is Christendom Destroyed?
>>25611745I would rather get The Reformation: A History by MacCulloch instead. More depth and about the same period overall better in my opinion.
>>25611779Yeah but isn't it a shorter time frame?
>>25611920Kinda is but half of the book is reaching to the reformation jumping over events without much analysis, better have two books to cover it properly. The Reformation as one and what lead to it as the second if you still want more.
Just ordered this based off a recommendation from someone in one of these threads. Have hardly any knowledge on the topic so looking forward to learning
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>>25611926Fair enough >>25613120Thanks. How right has he been so far?
>>25613211Significant cohort of ppl in reviews roast him along the lines of "he said this will happen but it didnt happen so the book is total trash" or "preposterous things lol the book is total trash". He was directionally right on many things. Really depends on the kind of person you are whether you will enjoy the book.
>>25613120>>25613279>2020: china fragments>turkey poland japan the new great powers>founder of stratforAnyone who reads this deserves the title of Goy. Might as well give up reading and watch fox news all day. Seriously, this is Gordon Chang tier.
>>25606695Read it in September. Very good.
>>25613350To be fair a lot of people back then were scared of Japan like they're scary of China now. History doesn't necessarily repeat but rhymes often.On another topic I just picked up picrel about "indigenous" history was wondering if there's any texts besides Changes In The Land that cover that alongside environmental history that are more long-term and cover a greater period from possibly the medieval pre-colonial era America up to the arrival of European colonists and Indians relationship with the land & animals. Any takers?
>>25613211please refer to fig. A >>25613350 which naturally illustrates the point I made in >>25613279
Mesoamerican history autist here, are these anons: >>25601794 >>25602591 in this thread, by chance?Also, these anons from the September and may threads who wanted suggestions on general world history overviews, wanted to know if fire and blood was good for Mesoamerican info, and various anons talking about Bernal Diaz?:archived.moe/lit/thread/25510774/#25540212archived.moe/lit/thread/25510774/#25540320archived.moe/lit/thread/25289959/#25293232archived.moe/lit/thread/25289959/#25293250archived.moe/lit/thread/25289959/#25294516archived.moe/lit/thread/25289959/#25294568I lost track of things and these threads 404'd before I could finish replying---------------Anyways, as usual I'll shill "When Montezuma Met Cortes"It's a fascinating historiography and comparison of different accounts of the Cortes expedition/the fall of the Aztec, examining what the biases of each account is and how different tellings contradict one another, and how they have been retold and distorted over time and leveraged for different ideological/national interestsPlus, it gets into a lot of the personal as well as political background of both various Spanish and Aztec historical figures: It's one of the better books I've seen that tackle the political dynamics and motives of other Mesoamerican kings and officials like like Xicomecoatl, Ixtlilxochitl II, Xicotencatl II, etc, which is important as very few sources do this despite the fact their actions and motives played as big a part of how events played out as that of the (more commonly covered) Spanish officials. This is something I get into myself (including some observations even restall doesn't get into, tho moreso in even longer posts not linked here that me/friends have posted on other sites) here: pastebin.com/h18M28BR and arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/640670498/#640679139 and desuarchive.org/his/thread/16781148/#16781964 and desuarchive.org/int/thread/220614413/#220624574 and desuarchive.org/k/thread/64935126/#64961571 and desuarchive.org/k/thread/64434397/#64469714 + the other posts I link to within that /k/ post and the two posts of mine directly preceding that oneI don't agree with absolutely every conclusion Restall makes but it and his prior work "7 Myths of the Spanish Conquest", are pretty much mandatory reading for a decent understanding of the topic just to get an idea of how the different primary sources conflict with each other and skew detailsAlso pic related is WIP reading chart me and some friends are working on. I'll probably end up removing Broken Spears from the Conquest section for Collision of Worlds and/or maybe add a few books on the conquests of West Mexico and the Maya regions since currently this is very Central Mexico/Aztec focused, when in reality there were centuries of campaigns and expeditions against Mesoamerican states in other areas: The last Maya kingdoms didn't fall to 1697If people want more suggestions on Mesoamerican stuff let me know
>>25613584I'm the second poster. My ever growing pile of books comes from youtube channels like cobbler and gdf, I steal them, skim, and if I enjoy it thoroughly, buy. I am opposed in this by my fanfiction addiction chasing citations from antisemitic works of history or spitefully doing the same to shit on Wouter Hannegraaf, and my attempts to read Aristotle. Cobbler's an odd duck but his literature choices are top notch. If you like that sort of thing
>>25604537I have been trying to read Herodotushttps://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Herodotus_The_Persian_Wars_(Godley)/Book_IMaybe it's because I'm ESL speaker, but I find Godley's translation difficult to read. I kepe having to re-read every sentence to understand their meaning.
>>25613599The Landmark Herodotus, that's where you should have started. For someone rather new on the subject, period and locations that's the best you can read.
I read a history of Greece until the death of Alexander by JB Bury which was fantastic and made me want to read Thucydides based on the quotes from him of the Sicilian invasion. Afer him I read Plutarch, yesterday finished landmark Herodotus, and now I'm onto landmark Xenophon. Very out of order but it's worked for me. I preferred Herodotus' methods by far over Thucydides, who extremely rarely offered alternate versions of events or gave his rationale for belief/disbelief, and Herodotus explained his sources far more often. I also preferred his digressions whenever he hit upon something he wanted to tell more about and unlike Thucydides when he made up the speech of someone else he kept it brief.
>>25613599>I find Godley's translation difficult to readGive Aubrey de Sélincourt a try, I found it to be quite readable.
>>25613605>>25615122The reason I read public domain translations is I can't be bothered to hunt for different translations from shadow libraries. The copyright holder nuked those translations from archive.orgBut I'm noticing that even Henry Gary translation from 1904 might read better than Godley's translation from 1920Godley:>What Herodotus the Halicarnassian has learnt by inquiry is here set forth: in order that so the memory of the past may not be blotted out from among men by time, and that great and marvellous deeds done by Greeks and foreigners and especially the reason why they warred against each other may not lack renown.Gary:>This is a publication of the researches of Herodotus of Halicarnassus, in order that the actions of men may not be effaced by time, nor the great and wondrous deeds displayed by both Greeks and barbarians deprived of renown — and among the rest, for what cause they waged war upon each other.Landmark>Herodotus of Halicarnassusᵃ here presents his researchᵇ so that human events do not fade with time. May the great and wonderful deeds—some brought forth by the Hellenes, others by the barbarians—not go unsung; as well as the causes that led them to make war on each other.Could not even find Aubrey de Sélincourt translation available easily.
>>25615716>i can't be bothered to click download/lit/ reaching new lows every day.
>>256133631491+1493 are pretty interesting for pre- and post- Columbian America. The author is a journalist iirc, not a historian. Not sure if it's exactly what you're looking for but it does talk about some of the environmental impacts on the Americas.
>>25616728I have the first one, but not the second one. I was hoping to get picrel next week but its hardly a history book.
>>25616644I have done that plenty; most of them are EPUBs. It's actually a lot more effort to read them.To read EPUB, I have to>open EPUB reader in browser>navigate to my EPUB folder>select book>find bookmarkVs having the book literally accessible with a single click from a URL
>>25616753On this topic, what are other good histories of micronations?
What's the best translation of Tacitus?
I'm a little over halfway through this. It's mediocre. Many of the arguments are weak, which leaves the sensationalist and poorly-sourced narrative doing most of the work. Definitely not the worst or most axe-grinding biography of Grant I've read, but more of interest for historiography than other reasons.>>25615122Can confirm, this one is good.
>>25604537Books about the Great Male Renunciation that occurred after the end of the 18th century? And possibly something on the War Of The Spanish Succession?
>>25617312Scholarly, probably the Woodman.
>>25616777Just leave please, if two more clicks are above what you can achieve to open a book there's nothing we can do to save you. I can't even imagine how much mental preparation and strength you must gather to lift yourself up and grab a physical book if you even know what it is, but again just leave please and never come back.
>>25617833Come on, this is safe space
is this a good book for medieval Spanish history? Any recs for more specialized books on the topic?
>>25610981The Birth of Classical Europe is fine as an overview, though I hope you like reading about pottery early on. It does tie up the period well thematically, and I appreciated the little anecdotes in boxes that they employed (stuff like Byron's swim across the Dardanelles, Herodotus etc.)
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Currently reading the Venerable Bede's ecclesiastical history of the English people. Just finished Einhard's life of Charlemagne. I've been looking to get more into the fall of rome, the successor kingdoms, and the early medieval period (anglo-saxons, norman conquest, franks). Interested in picking up Inheritors of Rome by Chris Wickham. I'm curious to see if people have any other recommendations
Does anyone have any recommendations for Xenophon's Anabasis/Persian expedition between the Penguin Classic and the Oxford World Classic editions? Seems odd that it's basically the same book but Penguin is 384 pages and Oxford is 288.
Is this the single most boring war in human history? I recently started Max Boot's book about the war and I can't read an entire chapter without falling asleep.
>>25620996>Max BootI'm a fucking retard, HASTINGS. MAZ HASTINGS.
>>25620998AHHHHHH!!!! MAX HASTINGS!!!!
>>25617312Michael Grant
>>25620839didn't Bede have a political axe to grind against the English?
>>25620987Are you sure of the page count? As I remember the Penguin was easier to read while the Oxford had piles of footnotes. I think the Oxford got an update in 2005 but to be fair I only ever skimmed that one.
What are the best works on historical cartography? I want to find books about borders that were redrawn due to treaties or wars.
>>25610981The Pursuit of Power is really good, especially if you had the normal "Napoleon" and "World Wars" phases like most history fans.
>By the Sword: A History of Gladiators, Musketeers, Samurai, Swashbucklers, and Olympic Champions by Richard Cohenhttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/409087.By_the_Sword
>>25625581>>By the Sword: A History of Gladiators, Musketeers, Samurai, Swashbucklers, and Olympic Champions by Richard Cohensell me this book
>>25625629If the history of fencing already appeals to you, you'll like it.
I’ve come to the end of the beginning of my study of Ancient Rome. I’ve read all the great Roman historians and I’ve read Scullard, Syme, and Goldsworthy (Gruen is on my list). Giving recs for beginners is easy. Give me Ancient Rome recs for someone who is already (if just barely) past the surface level of knowledge on Rome.As always, much obliged.
>>25626130Did you read Didius Julianus and Herodian?Like isn't half Didius' writing lost?
>>25626168>Didius Julianusmeant Cassius Dio
>>25625870of course it does but why should I trust this guy to give me my testosterone fix?>>25626130You should probably check out the classicists of 1800s. Very good and unfairly considered "outdated" by modern "historians"
>>25626171Cassius dio, yes. Herodian, no>>25626196Like mommsen?
>>25627158Yes Mommsen and Grote and so on.
>>25627264There are some hefty editions available for 60 bucks. Idk, anon, that’s a lot to drop on someone I might not even like. That’s the price of 5 penguins.So you have passages from Mommsen and Grote? What makes them worth reading?
>>25627297you can just get them on some shadow library and check out a few chapters to make up your mind
>>25627297>GroteHis entire Greek history is available for free on PG, go read it now and see what you think. It's 12 volumes more than enough.
There seems to be plenty of books on the reformation but what about the Catholic/Orthodox schism?
>>25628431>>25627323I’ll check them out. Much obliged
>>25628447Unfortunately that is tied in to a lot of history. The then patriarch was a little mad with power, wore the imperial purple, etc. It was a slinging match between a fruitcake and a man who politically couldn't back down, done atop a historical mine field.It's been years, but I remember enjoying Adrian Nichols Rome and the Eastern Churches.
Underrated.
What do you guys think about Victor Davis Hansen as an author? I quite like his political takes so I figured I’d read one of his books. I’m about halfway through his book >A War Like No OtherI’m not a big history buff on the Peloponnesian wars, I read Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War a few years ago and have a vague recollection of the main events but not much else. So far VDH has made the following points >The plague that struck Athens was probably the most consequential event of the war>the plague not only killed about 1/3 of the Athenian fighting force, but it also poisoned the Athenian mentality irreparably, and this is what ultimately led to their defeat.>the immense death toll, where the inflicted died miserable and ignoble deaths, and those that lived were permanently disfigured and disabled, led to a mentality where people adopted a more self-serving and reckless mentality>This mindset is what led to the series of poor decisions that ultimately led to the defeat of Athens>If the Athenians had just stuck to Pericles’ strategy of hiding behind their walls while the Spartans wasted their time hacking down a few olive trees while raiding the Peloponnesian coast, the Athenians would have probably won.
>>25630661>I quite like his political takesThen you're in the wrong place. Here's a link to the right place. Enjoy.WAR.GOV/JOINTHEFIGHT
>>25630688Yes, I know he’s a good goy. Aside from that I mean.
>>25630661>What do you guys think about Victor Davis Hansen as an author?The Second World Wars and The Soul of Battle are both excellent, reminiscent of John Keegan's books.
How come pic related isn't pirateable yet? It was released years ago.
>>25632691I do want that one.I have the first two from Herodotus and Thucydides. But now all I can find is the Hellenika
