Why do right-wing grifters like pensandpoison and that Joon girl complain endlessly about “Marxism” and “wokeness” allegedly killing the artistry of modern literature when right-wing conservatives were pumping out all sorts of slop novels in the 90s and 2000s? Picrel, for instance, was about a state governor covering up his daughter’s death from a botched abortion because he needed support from abortion rights orgs to win his re-election and is later exposed by a Christian news anchor with prophetic powers; this crap is no different from a Sally Rooney novel or “Yesteryear” just neocon/Evangelical in orientation with the same dogshit writing style. Tons of hypocrisy and ignorance on the part of the “anti-work” literary critic crowd.
>rightists are inconsistent, news at 11
The right doesn't try to make balanced potentially self-defeating arguments in general. Even the most altruistic members of the left rarely do this, in fact. Both sides are sometimes capable of bringing up counterpoints when bringing them up lends a certain amount of credibility which may outweigh the damage the facts do to their argument.Say you're a conservative who bought an old plantation mansion and you want to show it off to your relatives. Part of the Thanksgiving invitation isn't going to be that you keep Cousin Paul the retard chained to a ring mounted to the side of the old slave bunkhouse in the woods adjacent to the property.You're talking about YouTube grifters op. They're going to grift.
>>25612277>Frank PerettiCalling his books “slop” is way too generous.
>>25612277No one should care about Sally Rooney.
>>25612277>like pensandpoison and that Joon girlAsk them, since you know who they are. I do not, and logically therefore I cannot answer for what they think or believe, much less what you claim they think or believe.
>>25612289As one would expect from any group of free individuals representing a multiplicity of worldviews.
>>25612277>OH YEAH WELL 30 YEARS AGO...shut the fuck up
>>25612357Correct. There is far more diversity of thought in the right than in the left, which subsequently makes “the right” appear inconsistent.
>>25612277>was about a state governor covering up his daughter’s death from a botched abortion because he needed support from abortion rights orgs to win his re-election and is later exposed by a Christian news anchor with prophetic powers;Sounds like it was specifically written on behalf of an anti-abortion group. Wasn’t Operation Rescue a thing in the 90s?
>>25612383It’s relevant to the discourse of today since it disproves the narrative that “wokeness” is the origin of literary slop.
>>25612277>neocon/EvangelicalTwo entirely different ideologies, imbecile.
Right wingers don't have control of the culture industry and can't effectively elevate someone like Peretti to the point of high social standing. Rooney is a Trinity College graduate and has received numerous highly prestigious awards for merely appealing to the urban liberal-left bourgeois worldview. Understanding the right wing critique as nothing more than "leftists write slop" is bad faith to the extreme. You're missing the entire point about the intersection between institutions and culture construction. Which is surely performative because leftists are totally fine with these critiques when it was postmodernist philosophers making them.It really goes back to that tweet about leftists pretending to not understand anything thereby making discourse impossible.
>>25612408The entire corporate nexus supports the right-wing. If you’re a socialist seeking to publish a novel with an explicitly anti-capitalist message you’ll face an extreme amount of difficulty.
>>25612277I don't know the specific Youtubers but this has been my issue for years. Right-wingers (rightfully) complain about pushy left-wing media but rarely create anything of worth
>>25612409Why would it be difficult to publish an anti capitalist novel but not anti capitalist non fiction? There's plenty of socialist non fiction sloppa out there. Now compare this to far right non fiction which is often outright banned along with far right parties (depending on your country). Even the stuff that's released online frequently pulls punches.Also Rooney is openly Marxist and her books critique capitalist and have communist characters. Like, you've got the fiction you want, it just sucks.
>>25612408Christian publishing was a huge industry in the 1990s and for most of the 2000s. I think you’re underestimating how much power over mainstream culture conservatives had in that era.
>>25612408Interesting how conservatives have been calling out this very exact issue of liberal mediocrity in culture and academia for a while now.
>>25612436Sure, they definitely had more influence 30 years ago. But it's since declined. Their power base deriving from religious institutions is inherently weak because religious attendance in a secular society is totally optional. Not only this, but religious institutions also aren't safeguarding knowledge the way they did in the past. Universities do safeguard knowledge and establish the criteria for legitimate discourse and are staunchly leftist.Sure right wingers can get stuff out there but it's seldom deemed legitimate. Just look at the recent leftist anxiety over the right wing podcast network (also a good example of right wing dissatisfaction with traditional institutional channels). Like I said, it's not that leftists just produce slop, but that they can create a culture where slop is held in high esteem which has all kinds of flow on effects.
>>25612277Has anyone here actually read this particular book, or anything Peretti has written? I had a friend in high school who was obsessed with his novels and the Left Behind books.
>>25612277Nobody knows right wing "art" exists. For one, it's trash and nobody enjoys it. Second, even if a right wing artist did exist, they would have to quit and find a day job because his stingy people won't support him. Look at that sad italian that put himself into 100k of debt to build a Charlie Kirk statue just to find no buyers and for his gofundme to get a sad 3k.
>>25612408>It really goes back to that tweet about leftists pretending to not understand anything thereby making discourse impossible.Said by the guy who cannot understand germ theory and believes the earth is flat. I don't know why rightists love this retarded tweet. Your side literally makes the most basic discussion impossible.
>>25612485Right-wingers have no ability to feel or express empathy (if they did they’d be leftists). You can’t make worthwhile art without a strong sense of empathy.
>>25612485Then they blame us poor Jews. It's tiresome bros. If right-wingers made things that could sell we would be happy to sell it.
>>25612593LARP
>>25612593Bait post made by a right winger but yeah, you people are fucking retarded lunatics who scream "JEWS!" or "SATAN!!!" any time you see something you don't like. Even on the "le smart board" /lit/ where all the right wing "intellectuals" hang out you people are still screaming about JEWS and SATAN in every thread the same way the homeless man on the street does.
>>25612277Right wingers who post online are downwardly mobile members of the lower middle class. They are just smart enough to be frustrated by their lot in life, surrounded by people who care only for the foobaw game, but they lack the talent or connections to escape. Dedpite that, their criticisms of left-leaning culture creators and the ecosystem that nourishes them are mostly correct.
Are Christians right wing?
>>25612466>tfw the first person to warn about wokeness in American schools was a gay Jew who died from AIDSFucking Kek.>inb4 “Straussian cabal”Doesn’t exist.
>>25612635An astute take, Anon.
>>25612408>Right wingers don't have control of the culture industry
>>25612685She hasn’t had a pop hit in like six years.
The problem I have with people like PaP and her ilk is that she seems hellbent on the idea that only conservatives can create literature that reveals a moral message or grand commentary on human existence. Anyone can look at conservatives today and see that's not the case at all. As it is, 99% of the right-wing MO consists of bullying the left (communists, queer people, feminists, anti-racist activists, etc.). Just look at podcasters or right-wing YouTubers to see clear examples of this notion. What "profound moral message" is this supposed to be? A novel written by a conservative where the message is "queer people are crazy, only cishets are mentally balanced, only a society that promotes heteronormativity can ever be stable" is not something that would ever make for meaningful art.
>>25612402No one is saying that you disingenuous fuck.
>>25612405Explain.
>>25612277The online right doesn't actually read or seek out. Like all internet whiners, they want everything spoonfed to them.
>>25613039Case in point: this and Orc City are the kind of slop the modern right produces.
>>25612277>muh left/right culture warnow that both sides are unmistakably retarded and undeniably gay, maybe something decent will come alonghttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg&ra=m
>>25612480I looked for reviews of it on YouTube and this is all I found:https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zWDj8itghSQhttps://youtu.be/4kDJXO_DI74?si=BJPYe7ofgbe2qLOd&t=22
>>25612277So what? Your blaming conservative authors for writing what is true to their experiences? They aren't allowed to profess a belief in ideology or philosophy that disagrees with your sensibilities?Why is YOUR slop any better? Does it really matter if its pig feed or chicken feed, other than which animal they foster?
>>25612384The only thing that unites the right is "we aren't the left."It can't decide whether or not it's neocon, free market libertarian, or populist/Trumpist.
>>25613077>It>neocon, free market libertarian, or populist/TrumpistLil bro thinks the right is one person LOL.
>>25613079The point is, the American right doesn't stand for anything anymore, especially now that the failures of MAGA have become much more apparent. At least the left is slowly getting its shit together coming off of a handful of DSA victories and has some kind of notion of what they want. The right doesn't.
>>25613110It all goes in cycles.
>>25612669>>25613049https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oh6DmjQahohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxz06SwfnlU
>>25612277Frank Peretti is pretty good for christslop
>>25613142For me, it's Ted Dekker
>>25613142Peretti's novels are just beach literature or the kind of lit you see sold at pharmacies but for Evangelicals. I've read like five of his books and all of them were dogshit. Fourth-grade reading level.
>>25612277>pensandpoison and that Joon girl>caring what these literal whos think>ever
>>25612277Its mostly because that version of the right became instantly uncool with the election of Bush.
>>25612669Doesn't really disprove what he said. Judge the content not the person otherwise you're committing an ad hominem fallacy but who the fuck am I kidding, logical argumentation is a tool of oppression according to the left. I retract my statement.
>>25613110Well to be fair, the left never had much of a foundation either, built on the idea that anything can be justified if it serves a purpose, including acts of theft, vandalism and petty crime as well as even straight up infanticide if solves a particular prior injustice. The left doesn't think in terms of custom and habit but rather in terms of ends-justify-the-means. Its always been that way so the right has been reduced to babysitting the left due to the fact that the latter has been dictating culture for the last 70 odd years.
>>25613192That anon is clearly on Bloom's side, dummy. "Straussian cabal doesn't exist" gives it away.
>>25613140>the west is in a state of moral decline because of philosophical nihilism caused by liberalism, rationalism, science, individualism, and laissez-faire capitalism>man has been turned from faith to reason, from community to the individual, from duty to rights, from inequality to equality, from order to freedom, from self-sacrifice to self-interest>man has become unhinged from the natural moral order and religious faith>platonic philosophy = good; modernism = bad>some men are more fit to rule than others>philosophic statesmen should never be hampered by conventional morality or the rule of law>virtue is the purpose of the city, wise statesmen must use benevolent coercion to make their subjects virtuous>regime should be grounded on piety, political myth, and self-sacrificeFind a flaw.
>>25613200Yeah, Machiavelli was the first leftist. *shrug*
>>25612728Her last hit was Big Foot in 2024, idiot. She's still culturally relevant.
>>25612277>was about a state governor covering up his daughter’s death from a botched abortion because he needed support from abortion rights orgs to win his re-election and is later exposed by a Christian news anchor with prophetic powers; this crap is no different from a Sally Rooney novel or “Yesteryear” just neocon/Evangelical in orientation with the same dogshit writing style.That actually sounds like a decent plot for a novel though.
>>25612466I miss the old right-wing intellectualism.
>>25612408Why do the right accuse the leftists of pretending not to understand anything when acting like they don't understand things is the primary, if not only, political mechanism of the right?Like, you guys are still pretending global warming isn't real, and that god is. Pretending not to understand the world is your entire thing.Upon further thought, is there ANY insult the right uses that isn't a self report? They call people nigger despite being the blackest. They keep calling people gay trans pedophiles, then get discovered as gay trans pedophiles. Is there -any- conservative insult that isn't a self-report?
>>25613210Piety only works when there's a single religion. There's a reason all religious nations got immediately bodied the moment globalism got going, and all the strongest ones now are founded in the differentiation of church and state.Humorously, when church and state get merged again, strong nations start collapsing.tldr, religion is for retarded people
>>25613291>Piety only works when there's a single religion.This is the primary reason the right gives for being anti-immigration.
>>25612277>>25612308To be fair, even Peretti fans will admit Prophet is one of his worst and most boring books. The Oath and The Visitation are miles better.
>>25613293This has been objectively proven to not help. Any right to rule religious nations have goes out the window the moment it must co-exist with a second religion, even if none of that religion is in a particular state.ALL religious nations have collapsed or become entirely reliant on secular ones to survive.
>>25613298>>25613293And that's not even getting into how religions just refuse technological innovation in any of their nono areas, which are randomly generated and can change at any time.
>>25613202Sorry its late, I have things on my mind
>>25613291>strong nationsThat are currently going extinct because they're not having kids. In the long run religion always wins because religious people breed and non-religious people do not.
>>25613330Most of those kids end up deconstructing their religious beliefs and become atheists.
>>25613210All of this sounds like fascism.>>virtue is the purpose of the city, wise statesmen must use benevolent coercion to make their subjects virtuousWe tried that in America with the Religious Right and it failed.
>>25613330Buddy, everyone's been hit by the same demographic shift. Even the religious are having fewer kids.And fewer kids aren't the end of the world. Like, you people have been zerg rushing for all time, and keep getting bodied.
>>25612277Yes, I would like to see Liza critique a Frank Peretti book to see if she thinks Peretti is as awful as Rooney.
>>25613332It sucks that we don't have the same kind of enforcement Saudi Arabia does towards the irreligious.
>>25613291Retarded people tend to have more kids on average. Maybe the problem is being intelligent?
>>25613365One of the most pirated book in Saudi Arabia is the god delusion by Richard Dawkins
>>25612466>The Closing of the American Mind>1987Is this book still worth reading or is it long outdated?
>>25612485>Look at that sad italian that put himself into 100k of debt to build a Charlie Kirk statue just to find no buyers and for his gofundme to get a sad 3k.Fucking KEK!
>>25613298How come Islam is still growing so fast then?
>>25612409>The entire corporate nexus supports the right-wing. No it doesn't >If you’re a socialist seeking to publish a novel with an explicitly anti-capitalist message you’ll face an extreme amount of difficulty.No you won't. Stop pretending to be oppressed.
>>25613377There's a lot of shitholes. Religion loves shitholes.
>>25613287>Like, you guys are still pretending global warming isn't real, and that god is.t. guy whose mental image of "the right wing" comes from how r/atheism was describing Fox News viewers in 2008
>>25613387Note how this man is pretending he doesn't understand the point, and is also pretending that common right wing talking points are not in fact real.
>>25613389>that common right wing talking points are not in fact real."Right wing" is not a unified movement and the average "right-winger" doesn't have much in common with another. Christians, pagans, eugenicists, civnats, Nazis, Zionists, libertarians, nihilists, tradlarpers, anprims, AI accelerationists, monarchists, incels, TERFs — all that is the "right wing".
>>25613396Note how the right winger is again pretending not to understand the point, and attempting to slide out of rightful blame for the behavior of his in-group.
>>25613397What point am I pretending not to understand? Spell it out.
>>25613399That the right wing has put incredible political pressure into pretending things that are objectively real are not.Your party's officials are STILL regularly denying global warming, and you know this, And you are pretending not to.And that's ignoring all the religion based policies you push.
>>25613368Not only is it worth reading, it's damn well prophetic.
>>25613406What does it argue and has it been refuted?
>>25613387What does it mean to be "right wing" then, genius?
