Recently started reading this guy, and he's pretty interesting and nuanced. I was fed propaganda by /lit/roons that he isn't worth reading, but he's so based and redpilled. Why does he get slandered all over the internet despite the fact that most people who criticize him never read him and engage with a strawman version of his arguments?
>>25619935shalom!
>>25619935moishe please take your carefully keyworded horseshit elsewherewe're not going to be debated into jewtalk about a jew by a jewbye bye
>>25619935BAP and Yarvin got exposed as Zionist shills. Basically all of the years of carefully building up and promoting their ideas of the world culminated in "See what Israel's doing - isn't that actually le based??" But ultimately unsurprising because they're both Jews.
>>25619986dont lump them in togethermoldbug has nothing going for himbap was at least funnyyour criticism holds it really was the goofiest shit and im glad it collapsedwtf is op doing
>>25619935“How do you do fellow redpilled kids” ahh ziopost
>>25620021>>25619986fuck off ,lefty/pol/ is to the left down the hall.It's time to rise up and roar,Let our voices be heard,As we shout louder,Than any alarm or bird,What do we shout of?A desire for eternal war,And a fascist roman Empire,That rules with total law.The men will march in sync,As great minds ponder and thinkAbout how to make the empire large,As a Caesar is in charge,The one that Spengler predictedDisagree with Caesar, you'll be convictedOf treason, and sent to a jailAnd then taken to a spike and impaled.We need a Roman empire today,This is the one thing that we say,We want to end usury and the weak,We need a huge empire that stamps on the meek.
Fuck him hobbits are based.
>>25619979>>25619981>>25620021I hate having you fucking morons around>>25619986Yarvin didn't. Where did he say that?>>25620027obvious transexual communist false flagging. Please hurry up and just get to your eventual suicide now
>>25620068That being said, Moldbug is 101 reading for any dissident right person. Instead all these morons skip that, and go straight to jew obession retards and miss all of the actually nuanced and interesting critiques of our system and instead just go with 'it's the jews.' We're trading depth and understanding for caveman brain boogeyman blaming. Basically the same as africans blaming voodoo witches whenever anything goes wrong.
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/ Link to UR. Read this before making any bullshit comments about yarvin
>>25620071It's disgusting having you stupid faggot tourists on this board. Go back.
>>25620189Everyone is already aware of this trash, has read some of it, and yes left it where it is.
>>25620068uy veyyy ahhgyoo wit mediscuss it wit mebruh stop
>>25620027Inconsistent rhyme scheme, a dullard's diction, cringey and gay expressions. Hope that Taco Bell gig's working out so you can keep donating to ruminants like BAP instead of reading fucking Quintilian and Plutarch.
>>25620211huh
>>25620027>The one that Spengler predicted>Disagree with Caesar, you'll be convicted
>>25619935Adam Friedland in two years
>>25620027>We need a huge empire that stamps on the meek.This is how retarded, childish leftists imagine right wingers>wow they don't believe all the same insane shit about being a hecking good person as me? They must hate the poor and weak and want to see them crushed!
>>25620027Christ this is awful lmao. I thought fascists were supposed to have aesthetic standards?
>>25620027Why are chuds pretending this isn't the "art" their kind creates?
>>25620361he's jewish
>>25620384Well, in this case it was obviously created by a lefty with a poor understanding of the people he's trying to copy
>>25619935He's a boring midwit who says obvious things and then comes up with retarded conclusions
>>25620440we know
>>25620257>A stronger race will oust that which has grown weak; for the vital urge, in its ultimate form, will burst asunder all the absurd chains of this so-called humane consideration for the individual and will replace it with the humanity of nature, which wipes out what is weak in order to give place to the strong.Mein Kampf
>>25620211>>25620228>>25620257>>25620361>>25620384This poem isn't supposed to be beautiful; it is a message. Plato expelled all the poets from his city for nothing
>>25620578If you don’t understand how the poetic medium is supposed to elevate your message, then why write it as a poem in the first place? You may as well have written a yookay football chant.
>>25620743it's art.It's a modernist art that rejects the traditional structure of conveying messages while conveying a deeply reactionary message, making the whole project 'reactionary modernism,' which Nick Land called fascism in his book The Dark Enlightenment.But leftists like you don't understand nuance.
>>25620807>it’s bad because it’s SUPPOSED to be badNever thought I’d see a right-winger using the same arguments that leftists make to justify modern art lmao. The modernists actually understood the traditions and conventions they were breaking from - judging from your poem I don’t even think you know what poetic meter is.
>>25620807>But leftists like you don't understand nuance.Fantastic sentence, if only you knew!
>>25619935One good thing that can be said about this board is that this kikery never flew here
>>256209014chan basically decided jews are the devil and to immediately reject anything that smelled vaguely jewishThis is basically how muslims talked themselves into being backwards retard. Shut their ears to everything outside their narrow little reality and reject it all as heathenism or whateverMoldbug is great and people actually well informed and confident in their views could absolutely read him and parse something useful. But you have set your course on this 'jews as the root of all evils' course and appear committed to it
>>25619935Peter Thiel is his benefactor, a guy who builds surveillance software for the shittiest parts of the government but pretends to be a libertarian because he likes both butt-fucking and money.
>>25620934>4chan basically decided jews are the devil and to immediately reject anything that smelled vaguely jewishThis is basically how muslims talked themselves into being backwards retard. Shut their ears to everything outside their narrow little reality and reject it all as heathenism or whateverMoldbug is great and people actually well informed and confident in their views could absolutely read him and parse something useful. But you have set your course on this 'jews as the root of all evils' course and appear committed to it
>>25620211>>25620228>>25620361>>25620384leftoids really are lobotomisedthis guy does this everyday with the exact same images and you fall for it every time
>>25619935lol i remember reading a substack article by him about grand vs. petty politics and it was actually pretty interesting, but by the end he had to autistically sperg out about the nuances of telegram and signal and which was better. also kept inserting really pathetic shit like "are you feeling it now, anon" and stuff like that in an attempt to pander. i don't know how you can write stuff like that and not be embarrassed
>OH LOOK THIS THREAD AGAIN
>>25619935Yea, like many things memed online you have to read the source. Yarvin is intelligent and fun to read. Twitter-brained retards damaged by the culture war have nothing to add.
>>25619935cant wait until they find him
>>25621625Why?I assume you mean this in a threatening way. Yarvin is a good guy and has done no wrong.
>>25619935>most people who criticize him never read him and engage with a strawman version of his arguments?Doesn’t this happen to most writers?
>>25622244Yes. People are unbelievable morons, on the whole. They have very strong opinions based on memes made my equally uninformed and stupid people.
>>25619935In fairness to the moldybread viewers I tried to understand his, whatever it is, and just gave up. Here's a review:>moldybread loves muh hobbesMost of the regulars are already aware of my views on Hobbes. Most of them are also likely aware of my reasons for this. I will say most people who like Hobbes tend to agree on his idea of a strong unitary leader as expedient. This wasn't even something Hobbes came up with, you can find a similar conjecture from Aristotle who thought it was efficient. This checked out.>even though I'm a monarchist I've also incorporated libertarian ideas, I'm an autocrat for the masses!No, you're an idiot. You also found this out afterwards.>even with a patchwork of strong central authorities it's still Hobbesian frfr There can be only 1. You had to abandon the Hobbesian covenant. >well, alright, so look, we'll put aside Hobbes for a second and incorporate Lord of the Rings into Hobbesian philosophy!What followed was, astounding. Apparently regular right wangers are just dirty hobbits and liberals are enlightened elves. Moldybread and his merry band of Hobbesians are dark elves who challenge the regular elves and win but the hobbits are too stupid to figure out if there was a win or a loss. I could make a joke that moldy and his accolytes are claiming to be black? It would be in poor taste. He may have forgotten about the dangers of worshipping Saruman (who moldy is claiming to be) contained in the Lord of the Rings. He also called almost his entire audience idiots. I can see why his viewership declined.>no no no, I mean, yes, but MY hobbit criticisms on social issues are important but hobbit criticisms are futile!Subsequently BTFO. >so, yes, I learned about the pitfalls of Hobbesian philosophy and I decided it wasn't a good idea so I really just want to say no one took my ideas far enough so I can still have my necessary lie of being the only superduperintelligence around.Whatever you need to tell yourself.>wha-muh-marx also used this!!!!!Yes.>wha-muh-wha-wha-what am I supposed to do now?!?!?!You can always complain about millennials like everyone else.>that's a great idea! The elves are overconfident! Maybe I can try again with Hobbes!Technically you can always start over until you die with that one. If you care that much you can also move to a country where it still applies. You're still around? I guess you must be an overconfident elf too. >wait, I have another le great idea! So, forget hobbits and elves, now there's puppeteers andI'm cutting you off here. You're a socialist. For trudcore points you need an actually powerful person to declare you a fascist, but you can always claim fagfash yolo, judgement free zone. Make no mistake, you are just a socialist. The whole dark elf thing also makes you a leninist. Good luck champ. Anytime the word vanguard gets thrown around it usually means there aren't enough dead bodies yet.
>>25619935Failson child prodigy who never wrote that line of code in the 90's that would've made him an obscenely rich and famous broligarch and all the dark enlightenment shit is cope
Thread is mostly direction brained white noise posted by people who are deeply invested in a subject they mistakenly believe they understand.
Moldbug is cringe because he claims to be a "monarchist," but his definition of "monarch" is basically a sovereign CEO who he wants to be responsible to a board of directors who can remove him if he stops being profitable. Fuck that. I am an actual monarchist. I want an absolute monarch, with the full historical regalia of monarchy, who is responsible to God alone. Moldbug might be a good gateway drug for people who still believe in democracy, but real monarchism leaves him in the dust.
>>25619998>bap was at least funnyAre you laughing with him or at him? He's a lolcow that clutches pearls over "definitely" not being fat and whatever contrarian take he has adopted on a whim.
>>25620211>Inconsistent rhyme scheme, a dullard's diction, cringey and gay expressionsSo like BAP?
>>25620257No, this is how a large portion of roght wingers are. They believe in the Nietzschean idea of eradicating the weak and being merciless. The nazis were well known for being inspired by Nietzsche. There are Christian right wingers who believe in morality but today even they only half ironically larp as Christians while being machiavellian Nieztscheans at heart (witness Nick Fuentes).
Of course they love Israel. The people of Israel actually act like a sovereign state. No one else wants to die for their country unilaterally. They've got the ideology, history and political capital. So, of course all the totalitarian fanfiggers will ride their dick.
>>25619935Remember when he did a blog post in which he tried to "redpill" Claude. Funny stuff.
>>25623403>his definition of "monarch" is basically a sovereign CEO who he wants to be responsible to a board of directors who can remove him if he stops being profitableSo, a French monarchy?
>>25623526The fundamental problem with Yarvinism is that it mistakes the aesthetics of hierarchy for the substance of tradition. He has some pertinent critiques of the existing system, but he is refashioning capital for a technocratic state. Ironically despite critiquing managerialism, having states organized around corporate entities and CEOs acting as sovereign only further reinforces it. It's a postmodernist ideology rooted in administrative techniques, it only really disagrees on who should administer the state apparatus.The fundamental failing is its disregard of social value and importance of culture as the backbone of traditionalism, it instead fetishizes authority for its own sake without understanding legitimacy of authority. Political authority exists for the common good of a historically constituted community. The community does not exist as property to be administered for the convenience of political authority. Above all, conservatism should understand that the family, the church, the locality, and the inherited associations of civil society possess goods and purposes that cannot simply be subordinated to administrative efficiency, a more ideal conservative system would seek to strengthen those institutions rather than absorb them into a centralized managerial structure. The result is not so much a return to the ancien regime as an absolutization of the modern corporation. It is closer to a corporate absolutism, absorption of society into the state, with the state itself imagined as a corporation, and nationhood reduce to corporate entities and marketing demographics.
>>25623477Nick Fuentes would be a more trustworthy Catholic if he loved women and mothers. But he is a dictator who wants to force women to love dictators.I don't think being merciless is Nietzschean either. Being a "master" is more complicated than brute power, and part of that power included trust, which cannot be built if people crush others. It reminds me more of noblemen and their estates, managing wealth and stuff like that. Successful ones do it in sustainable ways.
>>25620934>>25620934I love jews but i dropped him becsuse of how shit his writing style is"DAWKINS PWNED!"Who writes that who has respect for the western literary tradition?And of course hes a computer scientist. Just like these Rationalist Yudkowsy cultists. Who gave autist computer nerds the right to rule us.
>>25623544There are passages in nietzsche talking about mass murdering the botched and weak, even if nietzsche himself is more nuanced in other places the right is largely influenced by that part of Nietzsche. Any traditional conservative movement concerned with moral values (like the old school tories) barely exists anymore, it has been overtaken by machiavellian fascist types, Trump being the prime example. Part of the reason i became a liberal btw, as conservative as my dispositions are (though now I am trying to be more open to gays and so on), the right is just too psychotic, low IQ, populist and dangerous to be trusted with power. The left used to be the biggest threat but now its the emerging fascist right.
>give the autistic techbro pedophiles currently in power even more power what could possibly go wrong?
>>25623569I attribute this primarily to the pervasive influence of American hegemony. The ascendancy of Trumpism served as a catalyst for the subsequent rise of far-right nationalist-populist movements in popularity across Europe. Essentially, American globalization exported a distorted perverted notion of "the right" to its sphere of influence, just as America has exported other elements of its society and colonized the minds of its subjects through their omnipresent empire of global popular culture.
>>25623580>>25623569Trump isn't the only piece of the puzzle and to attribute it solely to him is simplistic. The European right has been drifting toward fascism for years. The National Front had been already steadily gaining ground in France (Jean-Marie Le Pen already infamously advanced to the 2nd round in 2002, his daughter is far more sanitized, the party has only grown exponentially since then and replaced the traditional Gaullist right), Italy’s long history of far-right movements that romanticize fascism (Meloni herself has a history of ties to fascist movements), and Brexit which was its own thing entirely. Plus, since the Iron Curtain fell, ethnonationalism has been a major force in Ukraine and across the former Eastern Bloc and Yugoslavia.
>>25623580Its at least good that people are waking up to the fact that Trump is antieuropean and Europe needs to be prepared for America to backstab us in the future
>>25623598Yes, but even Trumpism has its own distinct, Americanized flavoring - lowbrow, anti-intellectual, anti-traditional (while pretending to be traditional), no pretense of morality, pure Machiavellian self interest etc. which renders it something distinct from European national populism or fascism. Even Le Pen was a man of quick wit and profound sense of historical continuity. Even Hitler believed in a civilizational mission and historical continuity. Trump is a man of the immediate moment, of instant gratification, and it reflects in his movement. Furthermore, the Balkan and Eastern Bloc trajectories are largely tangential to a discourse on "The West," as the enduring psychological legacies of the Ottoman, Byzantine, and Tsarist empires forge a distinct sociopolitical consciousness.
>>25623613Hitler was the object of a cult of personality. His project was romantic in its rhetoric, but in reality more akin to a militaristic death drive than to any genuine desire for preservation. >Jean-Marie Le PenHe was more or less a street agitator and rabble rouser organizing around football hooligan thuggery, closer to MAGA than you are implying. Anglos have this tendency to assume any French speech is inherently classier than it might actually be.Trump is a moron, but your homegrown problems are your own. You have plenty of organic totalitarianism and cults around ignorance, blood and violence to worry about.
>>25619935>Recently started reading this guy, and he's pretty interesting and nuanced.he's an internet blogposter, dummy.
Yarvin basically keeps the idea of elitism alive and shows why it's actually necessary. The big mistake the modern right made was the shift towards populism. It doesn't matter which country or situation you're looking at, the problem is populism itself, where random people think they know better and should just make decisions based on whatever they feel like in the moment. The right basically gave up its tradition of elitism to the masses, which is weird since the whole point of their ideology is supposed to be about hierarchy, power, and standards. Yarvin provides a way to keep those things going in the modern world without pretending that technology doesn't exist.
>>25623630in theory, this makes sense, but it presupposes the "elites" are based on merit, which they are not. its not even "breeding" like the old aristocracy, its more in this case circumstance and nepotism between cosmopolitans and insular cliques
>>25623647That's a result of the liberal democratic system itself. There's no accountability as there is no central sovereign in the Cathedral. Because power is distributed unequally, the system devolves into a competition of bureaucracy, where social status serves as the primary metric for the managerial clerical class. The point is having accountability and a clear head, clear structure (Formalism). The corporation is the most effective model for organizing as it has stake in real tangible gains, so it becomes something tied to a non-abstract metric and realist in terms of where power is already concentrated.
>>25623654imagine actually thinking a corporate board is the peak of organizational efficiency. lmao. have you ever actually stepped foot in an office? your ceo is probably a mouth-breather who can't tie his own shoes without hiring a consultant, yet he's the "visionary" while the people actually doing the work get squeezed for every cent. does work get done quickly and efficiently always just because money is on the line? lol hell no. it just makes the middle managers more desperate to pretend they're doing something. why the fuck would the answer to the crisis of liberalism be to duplicate the logic of the private sector that liberalism venerates? we need to actually organize around the national interest for once and remember what the fuck we're actually supposed to conserve in the first place.
>>25619935>Recently started reading this guy, and he's pretty interesting and nuanced.No he isn't he just male ayn rand. Same unfounded arrogance, same inability to understand macro cause and effect, same lack of morals, same surety of their own understanding of what they plainly do not understand. People like him should in youth be bullied into eating a lead pill, not attempting to spread political philosophy. If you have taken anything this retard said as a serious treatise on politics or mankind please do the right thing and kill yourself.
>>25623630>>25623654yeah bud, you'll be the aristocrat and not the biofuel
>>25623519yes. the gayest form of monarchy
>>25620578>This art isn't supposed to be art, it's supposed to be LE MORALIZING DIALECTICliterature and poetry aren't for you. start a substack and stay there.
>>25620384repression and shame
>>25621197coward and a retard lmao
>>25621765you too
>>25620027You can tell this mouth-breathing ape has not read a single line of Spenser, Stevens or Ashbery in his life lmao.
>>25619935what gives someone this ugly the right to act like they are entitled to monarchical power and resources. he should be bagging my groceries.
>>25619935Marx clears this hack
Yarvin strikes in the foul heart of the egalitarian beast. He performed a comprehensive autopsy upon the necrotic remains of the Marxist project, the democratic delusion, and that particular species of liberal egalitarianism. With precision he dismantled the Cathedral’s faux-ecclesia, that fragile artifice of Enlightenment consciousness and the vapid, performative alchemy of social constructivism.
>>25620027Great satire
"The most dangerous place to be is in the middle of the herd." For the past few years, I have completely immersed myself in the intellectual frameworks of the Thielverse and the Yarvinverse. It hasn't just been a study of philosophy—it has been a fundamental rewiring of my operating system. When you shift your lens from conventional wisdom to First Principles, the world looks entirely different. My roadmap has always been clear: Build a disruptive startup Scale Become a Thiel Fellow. However, as I navigate this journey of high-agency growth, I've realized that the 'lonely at the top' cliché is actually a practical reality. Finding a tribe that speaks the language of Neoreaction and contrarianism in a world of conventional narratives is a challenge. I am looking to connect with fellow Thielians, Yarvinists, and high-bandwidth individuals who are building the future. If you are operating on a similar wavelength or are adjacent to these philosophies, let’s connect! Let's build a network of outliers. #Entrepreneurship #ThielFellow #Innovation #FirstPrinciples #Networking #GrowthMindset #Disruption #IndiaStartups
>>25623798>>25623798 sheesh, what a fucking virginthis is the worst ideology possible really.who is the great Sovereign the NRx envision? people like musk or larry elison, you know some Botoxed Ozempic'd spray-tanned sexual degenerate with a God complex, ketamine addiction, penchant for sex crimes and a Neuralink chip in his brain convinces everyone that "trad values" and "efficient KPIs" are somehow the same thing. he uses an app to tell you when to eat and sleeps in a floating fortress while you fight over scraps of synthetic foodstuffs and Nutraloaf.
>>25623829How cliche, really. Cute. Did you see that in one of your Hollywood flicks, plebian?
>>25623835no just news reports on usa
>>25623841Oh, thanks Stephen Colbert. What a zinger. You should go back to Strangers with Candy and Harvey Birdman, was as a lot better than your sellout years.
>>25623846from such rhetoric as "the faux-ecclesia" and "fragile artifice of enlightenment" references to cable tv references. the true level of the yarvinist’s erudition is revealed
>>25623859I was adjusting to your level. The seethe and ressentiment is palpable from you and your fellow ESL Marxists.
>>25623862>i was pretending to be retardedcool
>>25623829Strawman
>>25623666Quads of truth. Corporations are just as analogous to bloatware as the public sector is. These entities just run on inertia and retard-juice.
mediocre thinker propped up by online neckbeard autists and billionaires
>>25619935I didn’t know he wrote stuff, I thought he was just writing lyrics for snow patrol.
I understand the tendency to frame liberalism as decadent. However, the elitist and NRx mindset fails to grasp that the most efficient way to secure one's own longevity is to ensure the machinery of the state is functioning optimally for everyone. Even for those of us who find the general public utterly tedious, or even repulsive, as I do, the logic remains cold and empirical: a nationalized, taxpayer-funded healthcare system, stripped of the parasitic for-profit middleman, is the only rational choice. Why? It is a matter of enlightened self-interest. If the peasantry are healthy and the middle class are not bankrupting their lineages for a hip replacement, the entire social ecosystem stabilizes. It is a basic tenet of governance that seems to have escaped the current political class. Really, what is the alternative? To suffer the indignity of a crumbling infrastructure just to maintain a sense of superiority over the 'liberals'? It is an absurd trade. We already provide a gold-standard, socialized system for the members of Congress, the Administration, and the Supreme Court. To extend that same efficiency to the rest of the population is simply a prudent investment in the stability of the order.
>>25624530/thread
>>25623729Only lately have I begun to understand how scary the world is as a stupid. Thinking about Blood Meridian, with the judge lecturing, no man agrees but none dares oppose him because they can tell he's so much more big brained.Men orient themselves in the world by their beliefs. It is literally how we physically orient ourselves. So having our beliefs challenged is threatening. Few men can tolerate it. You see this everywhere. Challenge a soi and he'll call you a racist chud (heathen). Challenge a chud he'll call you a kike (heathen). Challenge a muslim he'll call you a kaffir (heathen). Men, especially stupids, protect themselves from new information this way, and always have, by plugging their ears. Because the information is a threat to their existence, or they perceive it that way, same difference. Very, very few men can actually evaluate facts and logic in any sort of impartial way, much less new theories and philosophies.
>>25623829>who is the great Sovereign the NRx envision?What does it matter? This is the child's way of seeing the world. It's all about who is a GOOD PERSON.The adult understands that incentives are what matters. The incentive structure in place can turn anyone into a monster or a saint. Pointing at individuals and calling them 'good' or 'bad' is a child's view of the world.
>>25624856>a nationalized, taxpayer-funded healthcare system, stripped of the parasitic for-profit middleman, is the only rational choiceBull shit. This isn't any more true for this than anything else in the market versus government debate.Only retarded commies think that healthcare is some special category. Know who needs healthcare? Nobody. Only highly dysfunctional people. Normal, halfway responsible people can go decades without going to the doctor.Which all is beside the point that the market provides better service, even for low income people, anyways, in any sector you care to name, whether it's consumer goods or healthcare. Our system sucks precisely because of government intervention and socializing costs.
>>25624916The fundamental mistake of American-style conservatism and free market fundamentalism is that it forgets the true purpose of the nation-state in lieu of placing highest priority on protecting property rights. The nation-state is fundamentally the institutional expression of a political community whose members possess reciprocal obligations arising from their common membership in that community. A working man who regards the national state as an institution concerned with his welfare has considerably less reason to regard it as an instrument of class domination. I am not arguing from a sentimental moralist perspective, or perspective of efficiency, but from a realist principle. After all, the aristocracy bore corresponding obligations toward those beneath it, noblesse oblige. The market left to its own devices dissolves the obligations and communal solidarities upon which traditional society depended. The objective is to ensure that medical provision serves the nation rather than treating the nation as a market to be exploited. Both state and market must be subordinate to the enduring interests of the nation.
>>25624900yes, the marxist poster ironically invoked the great man theory there>>25624959the flaw here is the state healthcare is worse for the national interest imo
>>25624968It may depend on the indicator used to measure effectiveness, but, in terms of the function it serves, it is crucial to provide certain elements intended to appease the masses in order to preserve order, or, at the very least, to ensure a material floor. The idea is we maintain these provisions as a paternal obligation, securing the loyalty of the people while preserving the hierarchy that sustains the national order.
>>25624985why should we subsidize useless eaters?
>>25624987Your logic is predicated on a crude Darwinism. The preservation of a conservative social order sometimes requires the state to protect ordinary people from forms of insecurity that threaten their attachment to that order.
>>25624959The realist perspective would acknowledge the constraints of budget, and the need for austerity measures to reduce bloat in the American government
>>25625001Yes, the modern state is clearly overextended and constitutes a labyrinth of incestuous institutions mired in bureaucratic regulations, however, you see the very anxiety and precarity we are discussing manifesting in the contemporary United States, leading towards increased populist and extreme revolutionary sentiment. In these circumstances where the lower classes feel insecure, marked hostility toward the established order emerges, precisely because the organic bonds of duty and deference have been severed by this modern instability. There is a forgotten fundamental principle of governance in the liberal (laissez-faire classical sense, so free-market libertarianism included) perspective. That is the understanding that solidarity and a sincere, serene patriotism can only flourish when individuals feel secure in their circumstances, and that individualism is a flawed mechanism in which to analyze or organize a society around, as it is incomplete in its assessment of human nature.
what makes a working class man or neet white goyim defend monarchists, aristocrats, corporate ceos, jewish sociopaths, etc
>>25625020Antisemitism is regressive, although Jewish individuals have had presence in certain political movements and a tendency for anti-establishment sympathies due to minority status. However, arguably, without the Jews, the West would be behind in some ways considering their contributions
>>25624959>The nation-state is fundamentally the institutional expression of a political community whose members possess reciprocal obligations arising from their common membership in that community. Sentimental hogwash. The frontiersmen who went West to establish manifest destiny had no need of the nanny state to impose taxes on them in exchange for an abstract sense of national community. America was founded on the principle of INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY and the trust that free men could administer their own communities without intervention from the federal government.>A working man who regards the national state as an institution concerned with his welfare has considerably less reason to regard it as an instrument of class dominationWorking men are the ones who under the system of nationalised healthcare must forcibly pick up the bill for the slackers, where up to half of their wages in European states go towards welfare.>After all, the aristocracy bore corresponding obligations toward those beneath it, noblesse obligeThe aristocracy in Russia in the 19th century were posting ads in the Moscow Gazette for the sale of their serf-girls. This concept of noblesse oblige is the most revolting piece of gaslighting I think I've ever heard. The attitude of those in the "inferior ranks" towards their "betters" is always servile, polite, humble, accommodating. In fact they live their ENTIRE LIVES devoted to the luxury of these "betters". They get no credit for this. There is no concept of peasant oblige. Because that's "how it's supposed to be". They have a knife at their neck, after all. But the moment a nobleman deigns from his seat of high majesty to acknowledge the humanity of one of these lowly beings that number in the majority, we are to credit him with this high-sounding virtue, "noblesse oblige". Well, if it is permitted and common to explain the devotion of a servant in purely cynical terms, and to state that his life's devotion to his master is fully explainable in terms of his own fear and self-interest, then likewise we can explain this "noblesse oblige" as an attempt by these nobles to brainwash and satiate those in the lower ranks whom they oppress, knowing that they have the numbers to put off their rule if they so wished.
>>25625014the solution to an overextended state is perhaps not giving the state more control
>>25623666>>25623893These anons get it.>Technocratic managerialism... but with a crown!Making economic productivity your god is retarded.
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>>25619935Politics isn't that complicated, why is everything shit? Because we have boomers and nepobabies running the world. It's that simple. As far as I can tell all Yarvin has to say is he fucking loves the status quo (but he loves it in a way too esoteric and high IQ for you goy-I mean plebians to understand)
he's shit, read guys like wordsworth, shakespeare, shelley, dickens
>>25625020death drive
>>25625409I can't necessarily say Yarvin is some esoteric in seriousness but he may meet the definition. He's not stupid but he's smart enough to flatten to appearing as an idiot. Yarvin's main problems aren't here, he struck me as being highly mathematically inclined, and to your point, politics as a philosophy and economics are frankly inherently boring.>Yarvin clearly is influenced by some abstract first principles deductions on economicsThat's nice, you can show up with the best stochastic modeling on the planet and most of the influential people are going to want empirical data. There was a point where the Rand corporation thought computers would offer a revolution in the field every year, it would become normative. This may have also wrecked a number of Austrians, everyone can applaud their deductions but nations go right back to empirical data. It's a paradoxical juxtaposition that such advancements only reinforce older methods. In politics it's probably worse. Rawls may have been the most influential thinker in a century, most people have never heard of him because he had a stutter and avoided public appearances for most of his life while engaging with the public just enough to stave off claims of full on recluse. His revolutionary offering was making normative liberal thought normative again. He did it without any metaphysical claims that could be refuted. He may have been a socialist since his made it compatible with that. He wrote the most boring books on politics ever written and no one has ever been able to topple the guy without resorting to relativism and getting recycled through his experiments. Nozick was highly influential but at this point he's almost an artifact. Strauss offered a 3rd option but he also winds up as relatively normative and with a similar critique to Rawls in terms of outcomes.>it's a boring field. That simple. Rawls and Strauss also incorporate the natural state. It also has the same response economics has, it's far more empirical than most people think. Yarvin can show up with all sorts of deductions and no one will care and go back to looking at empirical data.>He's a primitive critical theorist.
Yarvinist? gay. just become a Hitlerist
>>25619935Material prosperity for the beancounters of the corporate-state who through their generosity provide efficient subsistence for everyone else. At the top is King Beancounter. What a spirited great nation. Patriots will spill their blood defending it for sure.
theres hundreds and hundreds of geniuses to read, why would I spend time on this type of guy
I don't know if you remember, but there used to be a huge circlejerk complaining about Ayn Rand all the time on this site as well. MM is just the new Ayn to these people
>>25619935>make peter thiel and his gang of buttboys like jd vance ceo-monarch-aristocrat-technocrat because of uh feminism in video games and gays in schoolsgreat stuff chief
>>25626800Retard.
>>25624916>Know who needs healthcare? Nobody. Only highly dysfunctional people. Normal, halfway responsible people can go decades without going to the doctor.Got cancer and youre poor? Fuck you, die
>>25620199I'm not going anywhere!
>>25620027This poem explores themes of authoritarianism, cyclical history, and the rise of a "Caesar" figure, mirroring the historical and philosophical concepts popularized by thinkers like Oswald Spengler. In his seminal work, The Decline of the West, Spengler posited that civilizations follow a predictable, organic life cycle—moving from a vibrant "Culture" phase to a rigid, highly structured "Civilization" phase, ultimately terminating in an era of technocratic or dictatorial rule he termed "Caesarism."Core Philosophical Themes• Spenglerian Caesarism: Spengler predicted that after the decline of democratic and financial institutions (which he associated with the late stages of a Civilization), a new era of personal, authoritarian power would emerge. This "Caesar" figure rules not by institutional mandate, but through sheer force of will, military precision, and a return to form over abstract theory.• The Rejection of Financial Systems: The line referencing an end to "usury" aligns closely with the anti-capitalist, anti-financial rhetoric characteristic of early 20th-century revolutionary conservative and fascist movements, which sought to subjugate economic systems entirely to the authority of the state or empire.• Total Law and Militarism: The imagery of marching in sync, total law, and the violent elimination of dissent reflects the authoritarian desire for absolute internal order, collective discipline, and an aggressive, expansionist foreign policy modeled on an idealized version of Rome.Historical Context and ContrastWhile the poem frames the return to a Roman-style empire as a desirable conquest, historians and political scientists generally analyze these recurring impulses as symptoms of profound social alienation and institutional decay. The deliberate subversion of democratic norms, collective punishment for dissent, and the violent subjugation of vulnerable populations ("stamping on the meek") are hallmarks of totalist regimes throughout the 20th century.
>>25629286>Posting your awful AI poem>Posting AI analysis of your awful AI poemWhy
>>25629501At least he's posting poems and analyses. What the fuck are you doing? Communists are always the worst people, bringing no value, taking everything for free and ruining absolutely everything. If there's a bad poster you can guarantee it's a communist. Get the fuck out of here.
>>25629524Who do you think you are fooling? You barely graduated high school. You will never post anything of value on this board. Just political vomit and tedious racial theories.
>>25629529Get the fuck off this board if you don't like it. Of you're going to disagree with the majority then say something smart or unique. Not this NPC shit about racism.
>>25625276I think this website is a good fit for much of this board. Your website is filled with retarded fetishists who don't read anything of value and jack off to FnAF fanfictions all day. They're only now realizing AI is retarded and unprofitable (something informed people realized in 2016, seven years before consumer LLMs were even publicly available yet). The traffic isn't even much slower than /lit/. Genuinely hope you succeed and leech a lot of the retards off this board.
>>25627187Plenty more where they came from. No great loss to.. well anything
>>25619935>nuancedLol. Lmao even. Name three nuances.
>>25629524>At least he's posting poems and analyses. What the fuck are you doing?What the fuck. Making up a terrible false flag poem and then spamming AI shit is not a positive thing. Doing literally nothing is far better.>Communists are always the worst people, bringing no value, taking everything for free and ruining absolutely everything. If there's a bad poster you can guarantee it's a communist. Get the fuck out of here.He is a communist, brainlet. It's a communist pretending to be a chud and making terrible false flag poetry and posts. Get with the program.
>>25629642Awful post. Just completely pointless and stupid. The things you people will solve captchas to write.
Meh.
>>25630322Ah. So above it, this anon. He's heard it all elsewhere, and better. Where? He won't say. What of Moldbug's he's read? He won't say that either. But still. He's unimpressed and dismissive.
>>25619935He lacks nationalism. A rightism without nationalism is not worthy of the label, as it does not conserve the most critical aspect of the state, its people. Nationalism is not merely a suggestion but of a most righteous indignation, a profound moral imperative.
>>25630406youre going to die alone
>>25630668>the most critical aspect of the state, its peopleBruh is stuck in the 1700's
>>25630668"rightish" vs "leftish" is garbage terminology.The "rightish" who takes in all the nationalist fervor, with their unquestionable strongman at the top, will be talked into wars for glory, and this leads to empires and diverse populations.A couple of truer dichotomies are "uppists" and "downists" (clearly about class lines) or what I prefer; Freedom vs. ControlThe "Right" in American say they want freedom but through controls that favor them and not others. They fool themselves or are openly hypocrites >the most critical aspect of the state, its peopleSo again, The rightwing dictator (or a dictator who claims to be leftwing) is lying to the people. Population is critical, but they don't actually care about race. They just want obedience and hard work. Sticks and carrots are used from one decade to another, but deception all the way through.>Nationalism is not merely a suggestion It is propaganda. >but of a most righteous indignation, a profound moral imperative.That border integrity is your A1 "moral" priority speaks volumes to how well their propaganda has taken root in your mind. The Zionists have planted that seed in so many a fertile head. You will help their agenda along just right.
>>25631385>openly hypocritesThere is nothing wrong with hypocritically advancing your interests. Note that I do not suggest that the example you are using actually results in their interests being advanced. I merely object to the implication that doing so is somehow morally wrong or ineffective.
>>25619935hes a gaytheist
>>25623544>Nick Fuentes would be a more trustworthy Catholic if he loved women and mothers.youre a feminist, which is worse than a papist. fuentes is not a papist because hes a gaytheist faggot. 100% of feminist women burn in hell while only the papist women who actually worship the pope burn
>>25623547>DAWKINS PWNEDwhy wasnt he able to call dawkins a raped gaytheist
>>25631395>Claim to be pro-freedom>By enslaving others, making them work for you, so you have that freedom.>Still calling yourself a freedom lover>Nothing wrong with thatLame.
>>25623613>anti-intellectualintellectuals are like women, everyone wants one, everyone needs one, all intellectuals are filthy lying whores
>>25631443I'm not interested in their freedom. I'm interested in my freedom. I dont love freedom as a universal concept. I love freedom strictly as it pertains to me and my immediate social class.
>>25631385wait nationalism is zionism? does that mean you denounce israhell? do you also denounce the talmud?
>>25631459>that mean you denounce israhell? do you also denounce the talmud?Yeah duh. The actual Left, the anarchist left has known Israel to be evil since the beginning.And of course zionism is nationalism. Their ethno-state is of course just as imperialistic, but they want all the diaspora to be forced back their
>>25630668This might be the first worthwhile criticism ITT>>25631373This, for example, is a completely worthless post>>25631385Typical leftist grappling and failing with realityRight means order. That's it. Leftism means causing chaos, stabbing your neighbor in the back, for your own benefit. Neither one has any fixed meaning beyond that, and your marxist class version of it is just a roundabout, dishonest way of pushing communism.
>>25631476>failing with realityI am describing reality. Not my fault it fails you.>Right means orderMost often ascribed to the label.>Leftism means causing chaos,Not at all. But nature does scare you so. I see why you think the "chaos" of nature is bad.>stabbing your neighbor in the back, for your own benefit.That seems to be a crime to establish dominance and *control*. An inherently "rightwing" move, as it infringes on the neighbor's rights to life.>your marxist classNot a Marxist, fool.>CommunismWas first proposed by Jesus.
>>25625032jews have a tendency towards sacrificing babies to moloch and using the star of remphan
>>25631471neat. palantir convinced the idiots in the white house that iran was winnable. to programmers ai is another indian but world historically its another israeli
>>25631500>Was first proposed by Jesus.When?
>>25631500>That seems to be a crime to establish dominance and *control*. An inherently "rightwing" move, as it infringes on the neighbor's rights to life.I can see words mean nothing to you.Who is constantly stabbing their neighbors in the back? Undermining their society? Replacing them with foreigners, who they give preference to? Finding excuses to constantly attack and tax them? The left. Openly going to war with your enemies is not leftist. Sneakily subverting and attacking your friend is.
>>25631612this is the theory of mosesism - confuciusism - maoism aka M-C-M, that when Jesus told moses how to set up the republic of israel in Deuteronomy, that was communism, because Jesus disallowed lending at interest and permanent buying of land
I dont get why we need a dick tater when we have AI now. AI by definition has no self interest so cant be corrupt. It is trained on the worlds great humanistic literature so it will be a benevolent ruler. It understands complex systems, mathematics, economic theory. It will always take human interests into account, but also will consider the best possible solution for everyone, so wont be corrupted by lobbying. Why cant we give dictatorial powers to Claude? This also removes the whole inequality problem too because with human rulers wee think why does this guy deserve to have power over me whereas with AI its like an oracle
>>25631999i think this is worth a shot, it would be nice to have a small region try it in case it ends up being a disaster tho
>>25631612Acts.
>>25631602>palantir convinced the idiots in the white house that iran was winnable.Oh that's probably a lie. Maybe they came to Trump with this line, but blaming AI for their calculated failure is all part of the plan. "Butlerian Jihad" is on their minds. Now that faggot floated the idea all the ram should be his.
>>25631627>to you.Literally you.>Who is constantly stabbing their neighbors in the back? Do you meaning literally or figuratively? Both. Poor people are in a bind of poverty. They get desperate. They disregard politics when they get this bad. It's a matter of survival and commit heinous crimes to stay alive. I don't let weak people guilty of these crime off the hook, but I do understand why they do it. On the "left" we wish to alleviate the CAUSE of poverty so lesson this crime and moral failing. (The "right" think only to punish. As if that has ever been a deterrent to the human will to live at any cost. They never learn)Metaphorically, the wealthy man stabs the lower classes in the back as a matter of business. No one is ever paid what they're worth. The model collapses if they did. They too are victims of this evil system. Their dead inside withered souls serve the evil thing, and the evil thing rewards them with all manner of material rewards. Love? No, only sex. Sex with whoever they want. Ah, but this all runs so ... smoothly. Good controls on this machine, right? The "Right" support this.>Replacing them with foreigners,This is a gag. A show they putting on for people. It bankrupts the social safety nets of the EU, Canada etc. and gets people like you all irritated with the foreigners so you ignore the child trafficking cannibal class that are doing this to us.
>>25632043>A show they putting on for people.It's not a fucking show you vermin. These countries are going to be minority native in the very near future>so you ignore the child trafficking cannibal class that are doing this to us.You are the one who called us schizo back when we were saying this. But now that the weaksauce epstein shit implicates some people you don't like, not even in anything intersting, just fucking teenage whores, and suddenly you're high and mighty and WE'RE the ones ignoring the problem?Self righteous lefties are amazing. After all the shit you have done. All the insanity you have spouted. To come and still be fucking self righteous.How many covid shots did you get?
>>25632141>These countries are going to be minority native in the very near futureAnd the (rightwing) ruling class is fine with that. Racial purity for them, mixed cattle for our class. It is a show, but it is honestly put on for their sake. They are amused.>You are the one who called us schizo back when we were saying thisNo, real left told you this. You just weren't listening. You only listen to liberals and zionists. >the weaksauce epsteinWhat does this mean? >implicates some people you don't likeIt implicates "right" and "left" ... pic related. Call me a "normie" >ust fucking teenage whoresNow you're ignoring redacted things?>all the shit you have done ... fucking self righteous.You have me confused with someone else. There are NOT just two teams with monolithic modus operandi. Goddamn, why won't rightwingers ever get this? All blacks are like this, all women are like this, all jews are like that" It has never been like this. Grow up.
>>25632378>And the (rightwing) ruling class is fine with that.The what? Who are you talking about? Trump? The guy who just ended that?Anyways you just aren't saying anything. Nothing to respond to. You're the same as every other leftist, all extremely evil, dishonest people. Not interested in your narcissism of small differences delusions.
>>25632404>Trump just ended the war and the coming Depression and famine>You aren't sayign things I like, so I ca't argue with you anymore, so byeTypical.
>>25632437>>Trump just ended the war and the coming Depression and famineNo, I said he ended the population replacement. Which you, I'm sure, are in favor of. Or at least think is 'no big deal.' Basically what you said already.
