Did free verse peak with Ezra Pound?
>>25626282No one has done it better before or since.
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>>25626282what is circeo? i know circero and circe
Poetry is the biggest scam I swear.
Pound is perhaps the fourth or fifth best American free verse poet of his generation depending on how you order H.D., Moore, Eliot and Stevens
>>25626734eliot a british subject.
>>25626581what is circero? i only know cicero and circe
>>25626734And yet for some reason these four poets all considered Pound their superior. Maybe you are just not intelligent enough to understand why?
>>25626734>no William Carlos Williams
>>25627388Pound was racist. no racist will ever be my superior.
>>25627388>these four poets all considered Pound their superiorsource
>>25627441H.D. literally got that name from Ezra Pound after he advised her to sign her work with it. He used to write love poems for her when they were teenagers.Eliot called Pound "Il miglior fabbro" (the better craftsman) in the dedication of The Waste LandMoore wrote some of her poems in Pound's vorticist style and was very good friends with him for decades.Only Stevens was more ambivalent about Pound, but he nevertheless still called Pound a genius:(concerning Pound's political leanings)“While he may have many excuses, I must say that I don't consider the fact that he is a man of genius as an excuse..."
>>25627561>>25627388Zinedine Zidane:"My toughest opponent? Ezra Pound of facist Italy. He is the complete poet."Luis Figo:"I’m star-struck when I see Ezra Pound because you never see him. On the page you can’t catch him. Off the page he disappears."Edgar Davids:"I’m not the best, Ezra Pound is."Xavi:“the best free verse poet that I have seen – the most complete – is Ezra Pound. I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Pound is a spectacular poet who has everything. If he had been Spanish then maybe he would have been valued more."Patrick Vieira:"The poet in the modernist movement I admire most? Easy – Ezra Pound."Pep Guardiola:"Out of everyone in early 20th century free verse, I would pick out Ezra Pound, he is the best poet of his generation. I would had loved to write alongside him."Lionel Messi:"At La Masia his name was mentioned a lot. He’s a teacher."
>>25628421Epicly memed sir!! xD And some reddit gold for you!
I only read literature in french these days but one thing I don't like about Pound is how demanding he is that his readers know multiple languages I don't want to bother studying Italian, Latin or Ancient Greek to read him, I'm fine just reading the French literary canon in French
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>>25626282>>25626288Seems most agree the Top 2 are Walt Whitman and and T.S. Eliot, with Ezra Pound right behind them John Milton (Paradise Lost): A foundational historical pillar Even T.S. Eliot himself pointed back to Milton as the greatest historic pioneer of unmetered lyric freedom in English.While technically writing in unrhymed blank verse, his expansive, fluid "verse paragraphs" and complex syntactic enjambments led modern critics to celebrate him as a proto-free verse masterhis fluid modulation of blank verse lines stretched the absolute limits of English poetic meter.The Victorian EraThe Godfather: Walt Whitman definitively established free verse with Leaves of Grass (1855), moving away from strict meter toward natural cadences.Walt Whitman is widely celebrated as the definitive master and "father" of free verse in the English language, having completely broken the traditional molds of meter and rhyme with his groundbreaking 1855 masterpiece Leaves of Grass.Matthew Arnold (1822–1888): A Victorian pioneer whose landmark 1867 poem "Dover Beach" stands as one of the earliest successful, enduring mainstream experiments with irregular, non-metrical lineationEmily Dickinson (1830–1886): While structurally bound to hymn meters, her radical, erratic use of dashes, syntax fractures, and slant rhymes directly paved the way for modern free-verse line breaks.ModernismPound helped shape this stage of the movement, but he shared the stage with peers like William Carlos Williams ("no ideas but in things"), Hilda "H.D." Doolittle, Marianne Moore, Wallace Stevens, D.H. Lawrence, e. e. cummings,...and T.S. Eliot (The Waste Land)The King of England: T. S. Eliot is often described by literary critics as "the greatest master of free verse of all time"Explicitly crowned by Kirby-Smith as the ultimate master of the form, in his landmark 1996 book, The Origins of Free Versethe Harlem RenaissanceLangston Hughes (1902–1967) Hughes infused free verse with the syncopated rhythms, blues, and jazz cadences
>>25630412Later Evolution: Free verse continued to evolve significantly past Pound through mid-century and contemporary movements, including The Beat Generation Allen Ginsberg (1926–1997)Innovation: Resurrected Whitman's long-line cadences, adapting them into a frantic, jazz-infused, and drug-fueled free verse His masterpiece Howl used a rhythmic, breath-based free-verse style inspired by jazz and bebop musicAvant-garde Transcendentalism Mary Oliver (1935–2019) Celebrated for her contemplative free verse focused on the natural world, Oliver used quiet, unrhymed cadence to invite deep attention and spiritual grounding. Mastered a deeply profound free-verse line that captured natural imagery and quiet spiritual reflection (Wild Geese).The Confessional SchoolSylvia Plath (1932–1963) In her late confessional poetry (such as Ariel), Plath wielded fierce, razor-sharp free verse with intense emotional pressure, controlled aggression, and striking metaphorical leaps Wrote blistering, emotionally raw late free verse (such as in Daddy and Tulips) that harnessed intense personal and psychological weightNew York SchoolJohn Ashbery (1927–2017): A central figure of the New York School. His fluid, stream-of-consciousness free verse mimic the natural, wandering patterns of human thought and memory.Contemporary Masters Seamus Heaney (1939–2013) his free verse is unmatched in contemporary poetry. Though highly skilled in traditional forms, his free verse exhibits an unparalleled mastery of natural speech patterns, utilizing heavy, guttural consonance and precise rhythmic weight to ground historical and personal memory. Louise Glück (1943–2023):a major figure in contemporary free verse. Glück helped anchor free verse as a dominant, globally honored force in contemporary high literatureNobel Prize & Major Honors: She won the Nobel Prize in Literature in 2020 for her "unmistakable poetic voice that with austere beauty makes individual existence universal". Her other major honors include the Pulitzer Prize for Poetry in 1993 for The Wild Iris, the National Book Award in 2014 for Faithful and Virtuous Night, the Bollingen Prize, the National Humanities Medal, and serving as the U.S. Poet Laureate
>>25626282Probably not, but picrel is one of the poems that I think about when it's 3 in the morning and I'm staring at my ceiling in the dark
Free verse was never good.
>>25630412>most agree the Top 2 are Walt Whitman>Walt Whitman is widely celebrated as the definitive masterThat's not true at all. Pound and Eliot both disparaged Whitman and were more indebted to the verse libre practice of the French poets.
>>25630466The detail of not shaking the grass suggests that a life can pass completely through the world without leaving a trace>Tone: Unlike Pound’s In a Station of the Metro, this poem carries a tired, resigned whisper. It captures the quiet dread that one's existence might slip away unnoticed, making no sound and causing no movement.
>>25630531Pls stop with the retarded AI posts.
what did ezra pound mean by putting the phrase "by Cicero" all the way on the right
lovecraft was right about freeverse
>>25630524Ha, what a couple little bitches• Ezra Pound's "Pact": Pound initially detested Whitman, viewing him as an unrefined, "pig-headed father" who lacked sophisticated formal discipline. Yet, in his famous 1913 poem "A Pact", Pound fundamentally reconciled this tension. He acknowledged that Whitman "broke the new wood," leaving the modernists the task of "carving" it.• T.S. Eliot's Academic Avoidance: Eliot found Whitman’s sprawling, democratic form formless and distinct from his own classicist sensibilities. He famously wrote that his own verse had origins independent of the "disciples of Whitman". Ironically, critics have noted that Eliot’s primary French influence, Jules Laforgue, actually developed vers libre directly under the influence of translating Whitman into FrenchUltimately, while the French Symbolists gave them the specific blueprint for urban cynicism and technical restraint, neither could fully escape the fact that Whitman had already shattered traditional English forms, laying the open ground upon which they built modernismEzra Pound's Folly: Pound projected an aggressive, high-certainty persona as an avant-garde booster and cultural dictator ("Make it new," "Make literature difficult"), yet biographers often view this grandstanding as a mask for professional anxiety, isolation as an expatriate, and a desperate need to reinvent poetry. T.S. Eliot's Fragility: Eliot suffered a psychological breakdown in 1921 that required a rest cure in Lausanne, Switzerland. His early drafts of The Waste Land reflected deep personal despairDeep-Seated Insecurity: Biographers frequently note that Eliot's output was driven by a powerful mixture of austere arrogance and profound insecurity. His acute social anxiety, sexual repression, and feelings of inadequacy heavily shaped his early poetry, mirroring the paralyzing self-consciousness of characters like J. Alfred Prufrock.
>>25630539See the three little dots to the left of my post? Hit it and hit Hide Post. Then you don't have to see it. Or just skip it. I literally don't mind
>>25630562what's the point of copypasting ai analysis? intentionally being annoying or are you actually adding value?
>>25630563Took me 2 hours of work. Nobody paid me. I don't care if you enjoy it or not, doing all that work helps me memorize for myself when I have real life conversations with real life people that go outside into the real world
>>25630564yeah but why post it tho? did you find it interesting and think other people might also be interested?
>>25630565>other people might also be interested?OBVIOUSLY YOU FUCKING RETARDHow fucking dumb are you?
>>25630547Pound's 'Pact' was an early work that does not reflect his maturity. By the 1930s he declared that he couldn't find a single well written page in Whitman. As for Whitman's influence, it's by no means definite that free verse emerged in France due to his influence, and it doesn't preclude a radical transformation in the translation process. How closely do you think English rhythm can be approximated in French? One can regard Whitman as a bungling prelude to the French verse libre. And if you consider that Chaucer, the KJV, Jacobean playwrights, Milton, Dryden, Smart, Blake, Arnold, etc. all contain portions of what can be considered free verse, then Whitman's influence becomes far less significant.
>>25630564>Took me 2 hours of work.Are you retarded? You could have learned more in a book about free verse in 15 minutes that what you've posted from ai.>doing all that work helps me memorize for myselfHalf of the information is either wrong or extremely biased. If you're interested in free verse poets, just read what they wrote themselves. Stop relying on ai you farcical buffoon.
>>25630567I’m not the anon you’re arguing with but please stop posting AI. If people want to ask AI they can do it themselves. Not sure if it’s just you but AI posting has shit up multiple threads.
>>25630567Aight well, they're not
>>25630412>>25630439>>25630547Nobody wants your lousy AI posts FUCK OFF
>>25627561>>25627388We have much more perspective than any of Pound’s contemporaries. Time is the only true critic, and most of those you mention were simply too close to the work in question to see it objectively.The line from HD and Moore to Bishop and Plath, Sexton is more important to us today.It’s clear now that Pound was more a discoverer and catalyst of greatness in others than great in his own right
>>25630958Without Pound there is no late era Yeats, there is no Waste Land; so there is no Hughes (and therefore no Plath, since Hughes was the one that helped Plath refine her verse with mythopoeic allusion), no Zukofsky, no Ginsberg (like it or not the Ginsbergian style and ethos was a mainstay in late 20th century American poetry), no Olson, and far less attention to and scholarship on Eastern/Asian poetry as a whole. BLAST pre-empted punk sensibilities and aesthetics by half a century.
>>25630958>>25630966not to mention that just last month one of the most devotedly Pound-influenced writers received the Nobel for her work centered around "making it new"
>>25630966And without Waste Land there is no Waste Paper.
>>25630976You might not like it but the vast majority of the 20th century poets did
>>25626734HD's early work is my favourite; she fell off terribly so after her nervous breakdown, lost all her youthful vigour and passion. Eliot is head and shoulders above that lot generally, however, Pound was the smartest and most literate - most patrician if you will.>>25627423He sucks cocks.
>>25630564Thing is, this >>25630531 is not interpretation worth noting down unless you have a memory disorder. It's quite basic reading comprehension that any clever child acquires automatically.
>>25630542Concrete poetry technique. It creates in parallel a visual impression of the two lines' meaning in relation to each other.
