How did he foresee it all with such detail? it's almost uncanny how right he was.
I guess his thelemite magick worked huh
Is that Hank from Breaking Bad?
>>25626479To you, sure; may as well be.
Spengler would be appalled by the degeneracy and anti intellectualism of his modern adherents.
>>25626479they're not rocks. they're pseudomorphs.
>>25626479It's Wruce Billis.
>>25626453>How did he foresee it all with such detail? Such as?
>>25626503Bruce Willis is actually Prussian so this fits.
>>25626506read DoTW and find out. or do you need to be spoon-fed like a wittle baby?
>>25626479No retard, it's Alistair Crowley, Ozzy even had a song about him
>>25626506The second renaissance of a vacuous spirituality/religiosity or the destruction/oblivion of every organic social structure and the absolute imposition of consumerist materialism
>>25626514You can't actually answer the question little larper.
>>25626514>or do you need to be spoon-fed like a wittle baby?spoon-fed me
>>25626453Precognition
>>25626482Hey, that’s my line!
>>25626593To you, sure; may as well be.
>>25626453He literally explains it on the first page: by observing how previous cultures have decayed and died out, we can generally guess how current ones will. And as much as Dugan and other Eurasian larpers love Spengler’s guess that Russian culture would end up the next great culture, what seems more likely is that the Internet and what it’s enabling globally is becoming a pseudo-culture in its own right, no longer tied to Faustian impulses at all. If the steppe is indeed the image of the future, it is the digital steppe of everything from economics, pornography and cooking recipes being placed on the same level of importance by the average internet user, the infinite plane with no end without the concept of ascent or decay that Spengler attributed to Faustianism
>>25626453What did Crowley predict? The aliens?
>>25626453Same way Plato + Plotinus figured out the innermost workings of reality
>>25626453By taking history scholarship to new heights, breaking up with common academic views like linear progression and other Darwinist bullshit
>>25626453His predictions weren't all that detailed at all. They were right, but he wasn't at all granular about it. Technically anyone could have made the predictions he had. I think more interesting are the predictions he makes about archeology and history that were later on confirmed.>>25627095The internet is purely Faustian. It's not a landscape, it's not a space. It's an inherently faustian illusion: the space hidden within the space, the world behind the veil. The internet is not a place, it's a network of terminals, wires, switches, servers, wires and more wires. After the faustians are gone so will this.>>25626488I don't think he'd like us very much. But he certainly wouldn't be appalled, as we are very much in line with our times.
I've already given up on the west being saved. There's too many immigrants for that. Face it, it's over for Faustian culture. In a few generations the intermixing will give birth to a new culture and hopefully we'll all have learnt something from it all.The end, but also a new beginning.
>>25629745Best you can hope for. It will be lesser but perhaps something good will come of it eventually.
>>25628633What would you predict, if you even can, what will replace the internet once our current civilization is gone and a new culture has sprung up?
>>25626453He was just writing about his own time. Urban alienation, falling birth rates, and whatever had already started in the 19th century.
It was strangely comfy how Karel Čapek parodied him in 'War with the Newts'
>>25626475he was a Thelemite?
>>25626453there's a pattern that persists. its cyclical. he observed and studied history and saw the evolution in the west. bear in mind early 20th century was degenerate as fuck
>>25629745As long as a single drop of European blood remains, the soul survives. The primordial European spirit is not dead until the last European, but merely dormant. France, Germany, and England are but political shells, and should their institutional structures crumble into dust under the weight of a decadent age, the Form of the European soul cannot be annihilated by the collapse of the State. Amidst the ruins of the coming twilight, the flame will be preserved - not by the masses, but by a remnant of men, isolated, ascetic, learned and deeply rooted, who reject the ephemeral chaos of the present to safeguard the Eternal. Like members of a monastic order in the aftermath of an empire, they will remain faithful to the ancestral ways, until the new dawn demands its rebirth.
the book was written during...world war i...so uh...
>>25626479No. It's Roger Crowley, the most wicked man in the world.
>>25630136the new faustian frontier is space itself
>>25626506OP probably refers to stuff like Spengler saying that around year 2000, the west would enter a phase where it would be dominated by gargantuan cities, ruled by primarily money interests that erode old institutions, and a regurgitation of art and other fine arts. It's another example of someone guessing correctly and people assuming there's something special about that. Kind of like the pseudo-intellectual version of teens losing their mind because a bottle ended upright after being flipped. Pay it no mind. It means nothing.
the west is dead...that is why we must create a post-west society. separate from the west, from christ, from rome and greece and the myth, from cartesian duality, from empiricism, from europe, from telos, from god. you see, eventually global warming will open up the new frontiers in the global north and antarctica. canada's northwest passages, greenland. new territories.to populate and propagate bear in the woods paganism of untermenschian pre-hobbes. teeth and frost. jack london shit. based.
>>25630360>It's another example of someone guessing correctlyIt had already happened in his time with the explosion of industrial cities and domination of the economy by corporate robber barons. He wasn't even making a prophecy. He was just describing the problems of the Victorian and Edwardian eras. You can even find writings from pro-slavery Fire-Eaters talking about how major industrial cities corporate elites were destroying communities, governance, beauty, and everything. He was not saying anything new.
>>25626482To you as well. You're not nearly so intelligent as you think. You're just a vessel.
>>25629777>once our current civilization is gone and a new culture has sprung upSubstantiate your assertion that this will come to pass. You take it for granted when it is by no means obvious; it would only seem that way to the lowest information tiers who interact with reality through the cloudiest lenses.
>>25630136They need to have kids instead of being ascetics larping about being a monastic order.
>>25630136How many grandkids do you have?
>>25629777Idk why anything would need to replace the internet. It's not an inherent feature of civilized life.Btw, a Civilization does not necessarily collapse, after it finishes developing it can go on more or less indefinitely as far as we know; assuming something else doesn't wipe them out. Ours most definitely won't collapse, if Egypt and the Chinese are any indication. Simply too robust.
>>25631135>>25630423>EgyptTaken over by Magian Coptic Orthodoxy and later Islam, with all the cultural shifts that those entailed. There is nothing substantially different between Egypt and the surrounding regions now.>ChineseThis one is harder to refute, especially if we expanded it to include the entire far east as part of the Sinosphere.>assuming something else doesn’t wipe them outSomething always will, the very nature of Cultures as organic implies decay and death. Perhaps it won’t be in our lifetimes and remnants of it will linger on in what overtakes it, but it’s Fukayama’s folly to assume the current state is the end of human culture as a whole.
>>25631158>Taken over by Magian Coptic Orthodoxy and later Islam, with all the cultural shifts that those entailed. There is nothing substantially different between Egypt and the surrounding regions now.Yeah but it had been egypt for like three thousand years at that point.
>>25631202I see what you mean, but Spengler himself refutes the idea that the Faustian culture has that longevity seeing as his entire second volume covers how we're on our last legs. The decay hasn't and won't be overnight, it may linger for another few hundred years, but if our Pyramids are our Cathedrals, those are already as distant in our psychology (psukhē: soul) as the Pyramids were to Cleopatra.
>>25630419You don’t know me!
>>25631240>I see what you mean, but Spengler himself refutes the idea that the Faustian culture has that longevity seeing as his entire second volume covers how we're on our last legs.A lot of the second volume is about the Magians. And he doesn't imply that, iirc.>it may linger for another few hundred years, butDevelopment will continue for around four hundred years more but Spengler never prognosticated a final end for our civilization. Development will stop, living conditions will revert back to the mean, and life will go on. As it did in Babylon, Thebes, Patala, or Chang'An. The greeks falling apart was an anomaly, but I think a fitting one. Each culture's destiny is its own.>but if our Pyramids are our Cathedrals, those are already as distant in our psychology (psukhē: soul) as the Pyramids were to Cleopatra.No. The psychology of the Gothic Cathedrals is functionally the same (though far more aged) to the one current today. As long as people still fantasize about outer space, other dimensions, the domination of Nature, and the internet as a space beyond space the soul of the Cathedrals is alive and well.>the Pyramids were to Cleopatra.Cleopatra was Greek. The pyramid's were nothing more than incomprehensible piles of stone to her. The psyche of the Pharaohs was meanwhile living on in her subjects, who cared little for the nonsense of the Greeks. This was until the coming of the Magian age swallowed both of them whole. In fact there's an arguement to be that it was the effects of Hellenization and syncretism that made Egypt succesful to Magian assimilation. India has been in the same position as them but hasn't budged.
>>25626453It's called self fulfilling prophecy
