Academia has like 10 years left at an absolute maximum
How do we make it zero?
>>25627174Less, hopefully. Universities are nothing but brainwashing machines in current year.
Funny how so many people are just waiting for the current state of affairs to fail as it obviously will. How can we make it happen faster? I’m tired of living in this judaised hellscape era, I just want it to fail as soon as possible.
>>25627174>Academia has like 10 years left at an absolute maximum>t. Athenian in 300 BC>t. English peasant in 1180 AD
>>25627243Be careful what you wish for. Civil unrest/war and complete instability is not preferable.
>>25627267>Civil unrest/war and complete instability is not preferableWhat comes after it 100% is though. We need a civilizational reset badly. The state of decadence we’ve reached is nauseating.
>>25627174American post
i dont know about academia in general. but if you mean the humanities/liberal arts, yeah, they're on their last legs
Amazing how anti intellectual the literature board has become.
>>25627312i blame /pol/ and /v/ as usual
>>25627275>What comes after it 100% is though.Europe still has not fully recovered from the World Wars and likely never will.
>>25627319Europe is unironically more prosperous and united than the USA in current year.
>>25627319>Europe still has not fully recovered from the World WarsGee, I wonder why! What’s happened to Europe following the Second World War has gone exactly as planned.
>>25627319Gr8 b8 m8
>>25627174>>25627205>>25627229>>25627243universities aren't going anywhere you dumb fucks
>>25627301is anyone except white guilt femcels and queer crowd even interested in humanities today? quite sad state of things to me because I enjoyed humanities as a teenager but it's current state is terrible
>>25627243shit didn't change for millennia for the lowest 99%what makes you think it will be different this time around?
>>25627261>>25627358>the average IQ of a university student has dropped to 101>wage gap between university graduates and high school graduates is compressing>fees are rising>cheating is more common>fraudulent degrees from the third world are more common>PhDs financially worthless>academic salaries are meagre yet there's more competition for roles than ever>huge amount of academic roles are just makework programs for retarded nonsthis is before AI, which is going to absolutely decimate certain degrees (it already has)please explain how this is sustainable
>>25627312Intellectualism and academic institutions are, at best, a mildly negative correlation.
>>25627488Where do you think you are?
>>25627466Everyone I know is planning to send their kids to college. One flirted with the idea of sending his kid to a trade schoolWhat's your plan?
>>25627466You need college to evaluate employees for white collar companies. Someone who does 18-20hrs of college credit every semester getting good grades is proven ...someone worth hiring and training for your position in your company You hire someone homeschooled you can't get that kind of reliability
>>25627243>judaisedthe gay race communism you see is because jews are losing power. golden era of the americanized west was driven almost exclusively by jews.
>>25627360Just writing a book isn't enough to include you in the tradition of writing books. Don't feel displaced from the humanities because there are people in the building who are talking about burning the building down. The building is made of stone. They can ugly it up, maybe scorch it, but it's not flammable.Lots of the women and gay people producing art are actually strong proponents of traditional ideas of beauty, opponents of relatavisim, and feel some things are inherently more valuable than others. Even some of the ones who feel excluded by their own beliefs still believe them. It's the computer nerds that are the real enemies, the sort of people who would like to maybe burn your house down if you don't agree that the Sonic The Hedgehog experience is just as important and powerful as the Leaves of Grass experience. There are some people like you worry about, don't get me wrong, but most of the people who love the humanities share more with each other than they share with anyone else, and there are still lots of us left.
>>25627512>Everyone I know is planning to send their kids to college. this is the same thing as boomer saying "just get a job bro", people suggest what worked for them>What's your plan?I already have my degree>>25627518I said in that very post that the quality of students is dropping, a degree will increasingly be considered not enough
>>25627312That's what happens when you get a President that went to Wharton telling idiots college is le bad and they eat it up like the brainwashed red hat cult they are. This is embarrassing to the West:>>25627174>>25627205>>25627229>>25627243>>25627301>>25627360
>>25627540I think it's more 1/4 used to go to college then 1/3 and now it's at 1/2? Meanwhile we don't have enough med schools, that's what we need more students in asap
>>25627543/lit/ will hate you for this, but it's true
>>25627543Except all these>>25627466trends are happening outside of America too
>>25627555AGAIN: YOU PUT MORE PEOPLE IN COLLEGE YOU WILL BRING DOWN THE OVERALL AVERAGE >Current Gen Z Completion/Enrollment: Just under 50% of Gen Z young adults (ages 18 to 24) are either college students or college graduates, holding steady at this rate since the oldest members turned 18 (an improvement from 36% in the year 2000).USED TO BE JUST GOING TO COLLEGE WAS GOOD..NOW YOU NEED TO AT LEAST FINISH TO HALF OF YOUR CLASS IF WE DO 100% COLLEGE YOU WILL NEED TO FINISH TOP 25%It's like I'm talking to kindergarteners on here
>>25627568I don't know why you're shouting, I agree there are too many people in universityBut universities need a bloated student body to fund them, if you halve the amount of students they will go bankruptSo again, academia has 10 years left
>>25627575Shit you obviously don't watch college football. By the way I forgot to check the scores yesterday
Nah. The elite schools will always have their legacies and nouveau riche kids and other social climbers. These schools aren't going anywhere, and academia will simply shrink around these institutions. But the state schools and such? Yeah they're doomed. Between AI and the gender imbalance, they're in an unrecoverable death spiral.
It's apparent that as time moves along and technology progresses people should be getting more education on average, the work week should become shorter, and allowances for time off and other benefits should increase. Obviously not linearly, but that's what should happen. Education should also become more and more about the arts and abstract interests over time, just because our basic needs are more and more easily covered. Instead education is more and more seen as a job training program that you pay for instead of your employer, and more and more shunned when it is not useful to the employer at all. If companies want that kind of education they should be the ones paying for it. If the students are paying for it it should chiefly benefit them. Say you go to medical school. 4 years undergrad then usually 4 years of general medical knowledge. Almost none of this gets used day to day by most types of doctor. What they use is the stuff they learn in their residency, which is the on the job training they do, often near minimum wage when accounting for the hours they put in, after their eight years of school. The first eight years are often openly presented to them as a shit test. The board controls how many residency spots there are for each type of doctor and everything else is not much more than random exercises to see how badly you want one of those free slots vs the intentional oversupply of students that were let in the door to begin with. A system like that is maybe justified when you're talking about a socially well respected job that pays decently. It doesn't need to be imported down to forest management stuff, petty biologists, math teachers, advertising faggots, social workers, business operators. The whole education system doesn't have to be a shit test con. And it's not the people running the schools that are the main source of this decay. It's the same guys who want more H1Bs every year. They want their supply of labor to show up ready to be put immediately to work, and they don't want to have paid for it at all.
>>25627518>You need college to evaluate employees for white collar companiesThis was true 10 years ago, maybe, but was already increasingly not the case. Now? lol
>>25627174I have heard this prophecy for 30 years now.>>25627275Mongoloid. Know who takes control after reset? The ones who had the most violence capital before it collapsed. Is that you my 47-chromosomed friend? It is not.
>>25627580>state schoolsThey just get floated with state tax payer money. Nobody is going to vote to close down Big State U. Mine has been basic free for instate my whole life so they can just start charging a tuition if they need toAs for med school, I'm fine with AI robot doctors
>>25627581>The whole education system doesn't have to be a shit testIt does. It separates the wheat from the chaff. Nobody wants Cletus and Jamal to manage forests because they will show up to work on time. You dumb motherfucker.
>>2562758810 years ago was when the Trump movement started with the college is le bad stuff. Meanwhile the rest of the white collar business world is going on as usual only hiring college graduates for white collar jobs. You obviously haven't been job hunting in a while if you think you're going to see "college degree not required" when looking for a white collar job
>>25627580Elite schools will probably be fine as long as they have a long line of chinks that use it as a status symbol>>25627590>I have heard this prophecy for 30 years now.And things have been getting consistently worse for 30 years, what's your point?
>>25627588Stick to anime and video games kid.
>>25627603I see I'm talking to somebody who doesn't even understand the conversation. College degrees being required for everything is pretty much why they no longer have any value. They no longer confer any meaningful advantage to the people who have them, because everybody has one. So it all comes down to who you know and other factors, not your degree. So why even bother with the degree? It's a question more young men are asking themselves, and the declining enrollment numbers of men in school has been a hot topic for the last decade. It's so bad now that even Tier 2 schools have to put their thumb on the scales to get the number of boys to be roughly on par with girls.
>>25627608Can you explain to the board what engineering is?
>>25627600It's the job's job to filter out Cletus and Jamal, not some other tangentially related body. I also nowhere said college has to be easy. Pay attention.
>>25627613Here I'll help you out:>Engineering is the practical application of science, mathematics, and technical knowledge to design, build, and maintain structures, devices, systems, and processes that solve real-world problems.Now can you explain to the board what science and math are?
Itt self proclaimed white men gaslight themselves into thinking that systematically shunning higher education won't turn them into ignorant white trash
>>25627623you seem madregardless of your thinking unis are bleeding students, money and power in society as crazy it isn't really farfetched to say that decline is coming
>>25627623This psyop has been decades in the making. It is upsetting to witness, but entirely predictable. You must remember, half of the United States population cannot read above a 6th grade level, and are medically overweight. They are quite literally fat and retarded on average. The powers that be bred a population of fat, illiterate cattle. Archetypal Goyim. It's almost poetic in its decadence.
>>25627358They're literally going bankrupt in my country, because the rich foreign students are taking their money elsewhere.The higher education bubble has popped. And your shitty humanities degree is worth less than ever.
>>25627761>uni is bad because it isn't profitable anymore
>>25627301as a comp sci major I feel like its the opposite, if you're not doing frontier AI research it feels like anything you learn atm is pointless. At least with liberal arts there is value in something that is made by humans. There is no value in SaaS software or a website made by humans
>>25627767It's not about bad or good, it's whether they're sustainable or not, and they clearly aren't
>>25627761We lost all the valuable post grad students to Scandanavia like two decades ago. But the Chinese tuition pigs leaving will cause while departments to close down at many schools, yo no doubt.
>>25627174Enough time to graduate
>>25627267You seem to forget how many crabs in a bucket exist here.
>>25627278American message board. Now gtfo.
>>25627818Get off my board, roundeye.
>>25627278OP here I'm Australian
>>25627829Nah cunt OP is literate.
>>25627174Academia had ten years left in 1979.
>>25627312only actual knowledge matters, credentialism is 3rd world behavior
>>25627543I don’t vote or pay attention to shadows on the wall you midwit directionbrained retard
>>25627577this discussion is larger than the US, clogged artery amerilard
>>25627575>But universities need a bloated student body to fund themplease bro we need a third lazy river around the deans building and the secondary outdoor sports center please bro if we dont have it we will fucking close our doors bro please listen i just need 15 million dollars more to pay Ladavius Monrowe bro he can throw a laced leather shoe 80 meters he'll be so good for this college we need it bro
>>25627174I'd wager more like 80
>>25627581It's apparent that as time moves along and technology progresses people should be getting more education on average, the work week should become shorter, and allowances for time off and other benefits should increase. Obviously not linearly, but that's what should happen. Education should also become more and more about the arts and abstract interests over time, just because our basic needs are more and more easily covered.But what about the shareholders?
>>25628309Whoops. I guess they don't have to worry.
How many years does academia have with the right at the maximum?
>>25627605>what's your point?Point being this is the same sort of timeline prediction as fusion.>Ten more years everyone!It'll possibly change form in burgerland and other places that largely finance Academia privately, but it's going nowhere in places where it's basically a part of the beurocracy.
>>25628388>Point being this is the same sort of timeline prediction as fusion.You can't just "nothing ever happens" your way out of objective metricsUniversities are already closing at record rates, when does it get better?>it's going nowhere in places where it's basically a part of the bureaucracy.All of those places (Europe) are rapidly running out of public funds
>>25627174>sour grapes republican that is mad he is too stupid for academia>>25627243Nihilism in the system + boomer retardation are why we are here. More nihilism isn't the answer you dumbass.
>>25628404I have already explained I am Australian and have a degree, that doesn't change the facts>>25627466
>>25628400>You can't just "nothing ever happens"Nor did I. My criticism is against your ridiculous timeline, it's not an argument for perpetual status quo.>>25628400>Universities are already closingAmerican Universities are, yes.>All of those places (Europe) are rapidly running out of public fundsFirst off, no, they're not rapidly running out. Some European countries are, surely. But there's a lot of European countries. European countries do not have the same legal, cultural or political framework. Bunching them together is ridiculous when they don't operate in the same way. Hence why the EU is so toothless, btw. Getting all those countries to cooperate is like trying to herd lolcats. Regardless, Europe haven't integrated Academia as a part of their bureaucracy anyway, and it's alarming that you think they have. Universities are sometimes state funded, yes, but they're not part of the bureaucracy. China's academia on the other hand is tightly bound to culture and politics, and they are currently aggressively legislating around AI and expanding their scholastic efforts.
>>25628408Prove it
>>25628424Sorry when I said academia I meant the relevant countries not Estonia and Chinese people copying each other's homework
>>25628462Pretending China is irrelevant academically will not further your claims. I much rather you say you cede the point and go back to /pol/, where you belong. This is not the board for you.
>>25627205Exactly.
>>25627243
>>25628663You’re probably a third worlder without the genetic memory of how life is supposed to be.
>>25628943nope I'm white and you're coping
>>25628943Life is supposed to suck and before the boomer generation, it always did.
>>25628404>too stupid for academiaDoesnt exist in the modern day
>>25627275Almost every political group feels like things will finally go their way after the collapse and the rebuild starts. It is a delusion borne out of the need for a hail mary play due to the powelessness they currently have. The only people who think they might lose in such a situation are current asset owners, but they are wealthy enough to provide themselves escape hatches. Chances are, the post collapse era won't be as kind to you as you imagine.
>>25628944You are not White lol. >>25628954>life is supposed to suckImagine being this raped. >before the boomer generation, it always didImagine believing this.
>>25629066>Chances are, the post collapse era won't be as kind to you as you imagine.bigger chances are, there won't be collapse as you imagine. recession and reduction in scale are not collapse. none of you understand how public and private infrastructure work, btw - a number of the board's top retards are active in this thread
i want to get a masters but i know for a fact it wont help me get a job and i really dont want to go to law school
>>25629111I agree with you. I am just saying that if a collapse were to SOMEHOW happen, it won't feel as great as people expect it to.Truth is, things will just get slowly worse over time.
>>25629153Then dont.
>>25629159but i want tomaybe i could become an academic myself
>>25627174It is just hard to add anything to the conversation that hasn't already been said a million times.>>25627466 is all correct.It is a unmeritoric patronage network too on top of it all.
I mean, all the state schools and ivies might continue for a great while longer due to inertia. Country club boomers will send their kids to what is essentially a vacation resort to make connections, get drunk and have sex with other rich kids. There is value in that networking opporutunity between rich kids. There will need to be a place for genuine academic overacheivers too.It is just that I don't see how places like Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Grand Valley State, etc. can continue like this indefinitely. There is no point to them. All they do is provide an overpriced credential that is steadily losing value.
The vast majority of mouthbreathers have no need or interest in higher education. They already resent and slack at the state mandated education that forces them to be able to read, write, and do simple arithmetic. Nothing of value is being lost here.
>>25627512because of griggs v duke power co, not because college has a positive relationship with the concept of education
>>25627581>. 4 years undergrad then usually 4 years of general medical knowledge. Almost none of this gets used day to daythe word education imcomes from the italian e duce, and mussolini, it is what you had to read and mussolini to be a good fascist. education is not job training, it is vocational training for being a good fascistsince wwii education has been illegal
>>25627275You are like those marxists who think that after a communist revolution everyone wants to hear their enlightened speeches about male gaze while in reality they will be starving to death at a gulag.
>>25629760Not really Narxists live in idealism for a system that has never succeeded while I live in realism knowing how such resets go every single time throughout history. The first things to go following a societal reset will be women’s rights and democracy and these are exactly what need to go. The emergent society will also stop wasting resources on holding niggers and third worlders afloat and they’ll die off as they should. If we could fit a mass slaughter of jews in there as well it’d be great, but like I said I’m not trying to be too idealistic.
>>25627466I’d love to say AI is a bubble that is already beginning to burst, but the damage it has done is irreparable.
>>25629182I first noticed the desperation around 2021 when like 300 MA and PHD dissertations were written up on the incel community. I, being autistic and obsessed with incel forums, read their research and found many to just be blatantly lying.I'll say this though, older women researching into it were much more honest about incels. And even called out much of the moralized shaming coming from other researchers. But younger men in their 20s, the sort of Tim Wise types, had a hatred that just oozed out every few sentences. Emphasizing how they're all loser whites with fragile masculinity, who can't handle the contemporary crisis of masculinity. Nevermind incel spaces are some of the most ethnically diverse on the internet and white supremacism is seen as a gigacope.I get the vibes they were angling for the sort of extremism consultant job attached to the police or whatever, and bought into this whole mythology of incels being a dangerous threat. The younger they were, the more white and male they were, the more they were leaning into moralizing hatred. Ironically they've moved onto Andrew Tate, who himself is no longer relevant, and are painting him as this devil figure. They're constantly like 3 years behind the ball.
>>25629207These are people willingly and on their own initiative providing themselves the education the state system didn't. Whereas I'm guessing you and the other school lovers rarely read at all, much less centuries old classics for the fun of it.
>>25629857You think AI has anything to do with ANY of that? AI just came out last week. It hasn't even made its mark yet. The enstupidification and diminution of degrees has been going on decades. It has nothing whatsoever to do with AI.
