Why does /lit/ hate Dune so much?
>>25628876Nobody hates it.My own qualms with it is that it has great ideas but the writing is not up to par
>>25628876Nobody hates it. My main complaint is that the guy can't write very well. Clunky uninspired cliché-ridden prose. Also, he really should have given Lesley Blanch a mention, given how much stuff he lifted (more or less word-for-word) from her.That aside, here's a thought (which I've mentioned before, but never mind):Dune could be improved enormously by a simple (well, maybe not that simple) change of perspective.It's told in omniscient third person and this is just wrong. It would be much better told in first person, from a bunch of different perspectives. One person every chapter, like As I Lay Dying (or like Game Of Thrones, if you want a more popular example). But the key is you never tell it from Paul's perspective. You just give everyone else's impressions of him and thoughts about him.I admit, this would be tricky because several times Paul is alone, or we're told his inmost thoughts, etc. The book would have to be rewritten considerably. But if you could do it like that, the reader would only gradually build up a sense of Paul as this amazing but mysterious figure. He would be far more impressive that way.You might argue, "but FH doesn't want Paul to be impressive and mysterious". I disagree. He does, he just doesn't do it very well.
My biggest gripe were the chapter-long interlocutions.
i don't hate it it's just shit so i put it down, feel free to explain why it's good because it's not
Contrarianism
>>25628903>>25628947>>25629016"it's poorly written" is the last foxhole of people with no true criticism who dislike something because of their own ego rather than the work itself.Especially >>25628947Who is a blithering idiot.
>>25628947I swear I've seen this exact post before
Herbert was the quintessential midwit.
I really liked the writing style of the first Dune book. Maybe it was partly because I was coming from Three Body Problem (Jesus almighty Christ .....) but I don't think that was all of it. I loved it. Second book was kinda meh ish.
>>25628947But so much of the story is Paul’s evolving perception of time and space, if you don’t have his perspective you lose the philosophical core of the book.
>>25628876because its britbong triumphalist garbage and im sick of "our values"
As far as it's merits as a read it's definitely one of the tallest midgets around. Unfortunately my current position is recruiting for a basketball team.
>>25629314you want to sound smart so badly lmao
>>25628876Because it's a white savior leading space muslims in a holy war against space jews and every board on 4chan is infested with mossad unit 8200 operatives, the terminally contrarian, and fart-huffing redditors.
Because it shatters their pretensions of literacyI'm sure it's quite unpleasant to be exposed as the sort of person who moves their eyes uncomprehendingly over words and mistakes it for reading
Am I getting it right that Dune takes place twenty thousand years into the future in an almost incomprehensibly futuristic and extremely alien to us world and the characters are named things like "Paul" and "Jessica"
>>25628947>or like Game Of ThronesKill yourself.
>>25629290Most retarded take so far. Well done.
>>25629985>Am I getting it right that Dune takes place ... in an almost incomprehensibly futuristic and extremely alien to us worldNo. It takes place in an ossified society where meaningful technological or social evolution is impossible.
>>25629985Genre fiction has inflicted an extinction level event on your frontal lobe.
Is the movie any good ?
>>25628876Contrarianism. /lit/ gushes about dune anytime it's out of the zeitgeist
>>25629273Messiah > Dune #1
I quite like Dune, but I do often feel that Herbert's characters are more plot devices than fully fleshed out people. It's a good story, but I'm not entirely sure if I would say it has many good characters (aside from The Baron).
>>25629268Not smart like you, eh?
>>25630062No.
>>25628876We don't, only everything after Messiah.
>>25632436Children has its redeeming features.God Emperor is dogshit though.
God Emperor of Dune is by far the most /lit/ entry in the series and I pity the blinkered drones who can't see that. It's still genre fiction btw
>>25632511>500 pages of navel-gazing and pointless conversationsLOL, fuck off pseud.
I enjoyed the epigraphs more than the actual plot tbqh
It manages to be one of the dullest franchises in the history of science fiction cinema. Each instalment, following the Atreides family and their increasingly messianic adventures on the desert planet of Arrakis, has been virtually indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the portentous imagery, the series' only consistency has been its glacial pacing, humourless solemnity and interminable exposition, all to make a universe seem lifeless, to make spectacle seem inert. Vast empires, interstellar warfare, giant sandworms and religious fanaticism are somehow rendered as exciting as watching someone read a geological survey.Perhaps the die was cast when Herbert decided that his science-fiction epic would be less concerned with telling a compelling story than demonstrating how terribly important it was. Every character speaks as though delivering the final line of a philosophical treatise, every event is freighted with the historical significance of a thousand years, and every political manoeuvre requires another ten minutes of exposition to explain why it matters. The Dune franchise might be anti-colonial (or not), but it's certainly the anti-Star Wars franchise in its refusal of adventure, levity and uncomplicated wonder. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.>a-at least the books were good though"No!"The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. Herbert's prose is so committed to sounding profound that it rarely remembers to be readable. Every other paragraph contains some portentous observation about power, religion, ecology or human nature, as though the author were terrified that the reader might mistake his science-fiction novel for entertainment. Characters don't converse so much as exchange aphorisms. They don't think so much as deliver internal monologues about the historical forces governing their every decision.I began marking on the back of an envelope every time someone in the novel contemplated the dangers of prescience, the corrupting influence of charismatic leadership, or the ecological significance of water. I stopped only after I'd filled the envelope. I was incredulous. Herbert's mind is so governed by grand abstractions and solemn pronouncements that he seems incapable of allowing a scene to simply happen. Even a man walking across the desert becomes an occasion for a lecture on ecology, politics, religion and the nature of human consciousness.Later I read a lavish, loving review of Dune by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Dune at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read Dune, you are, in fact, being trained to read Stephen King.
>>25632527>cinema
>>25632586it's a pasta you FOOL
