If he’s so smart… why did he give people an excuse to dismiss his ideas by doing acts of terrorism? Or why not try to get his manifesto published by tweaking it into a work of fiction or something?
He was Dionysian.
>>25629893if you can’t fix your own mental issues you aren’t smarthe was a retard that impotently lashed out with violence
What are the odds that anyone would have discussed his ideas if he hadn't done what he did?
>>25629893Due to his notoriety as the Unabomber, more people have heard of his ideas than ever would have if he stuck to respectable academia. "Industrial Society and it's Future" has become a meme, with its general ideas widely known, precisely because it is "the Unabomber Manifesto." We wouldn't be talking about Ted Kaczynski and his ideas in this very thread if he didn't send mail bombs to people. There is a lesson to be learned here, but I will leave it unstated lest I be accused of fedposting.
>>25629893Nobody would have read or known of it in the first place, and the global technological system kills countless animals every day and inflicts endless suffering upon humanity. People who pearl clutch over muh terrorism are faggot cowards & women who will not bite the tyrannical hand that feeds them. Can you even name one single person he killed or harmed without looking it up?>What signify a **few lives lost in a century or two?** The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure.-Thomas Jefferson's Letter to William S. Smith - November. 13, 1787
>>25629918the only real influence he has is the meme line about industrial society being a mistakeit wasn't some particularly unique insight for the time; someone else's pithy line would've been adopted to express the same sentiment>>25629922thomas jefferson actually accomplished somethingall ted did was kill a few innocent peoplehe's a glorified incelall utilitarians must [REDACTED], you never know if the ends justify the means and if at the end of the day, all you're doing is evil. no one is omniscient, a rule of "dont murder innocent people" is not that hard to follow
Maybe he said somewhere that the reason he did the bombings was to get his manifesto read but that doesn't mean you should believe that.He did the bombings for a thrill, to lash out at institutions he didn't like, to alleviate his sense of impotence. In the many hours between bombings in his no water no electricity cabin in the woods he scribbled away, his writing eventually forming into its own shape as a manifesto. Not a surprise. How many people like him have almost accidentally found themselves doing the same? Now, what man has there ever been who has had two parts to his life and not tried to draw them together?
>>25629903The CIA fried his brain at Harvard
>>25629893>why did he give people an excuse to dismiss his ideas by doing acts of terrorism?nobody would've engaged with his ideas in the first place without the terrorism. say what you will about political violence, but it's an extremely effective promotional tool.
>>25629936Nobody who pays taxes in the the core of the technological-imperial empire is innocent. You cannot see past your own faggy slave morality, you are just like Agents from the Matrix when they body snatch people to hunt down Neo. Ted was the tip of the spear of a global movement that will wrestle and wage war against a technological-eschatological world domination machine for the rest of the 21st century until one side prevails or everything collapses, which is preferable to totalitarian world domination and galactic imperialism. You are a fucktard limited by your false morality and pathetic grasp of what is actually going on today.
>>25629944I'm not losing any sleep over your threats.
>>25629957You are a slave and dont even realize it.
>>25629944>if I change the definition of innocent, it's okay to murder innocents!Can't you see how much you're lost in wordcel fantasies by looking in the mirror?Look at your REAL life and not the one you've concocted in your head. Try to make things better, not worse. It's a child who tries to tear down the things of the world instead of trying to build.Tell me, instead of what you are trying to destroy, what have you tried to build? No "I'm destroying to make a foundation where we can build" cope.I myself have built a beautiful family. I healed myself. I stopped getting lost in the digital psychosis. My entire familial network has gotten happier and more well-adjusted. I've saved many lives. What have you done to make the world a better place by Kantian standards?
>>25629968>I've done a few insular things while still participating in a deranged and terminally ill civilization thats plundering the planet for the pursuit of infinite power.Pure cope. More slave morality. You're clearly limited by your ignorance of how the world actually works and the global cataclysm coming thanks to the system you are refusing to grasp.
>>25629893>>25629903"If you're so smart then why don't you X" discourse is so trash. You people are fucking retarded. I don't even like Kaczynski I'm just tired of you subhuman sub-90 IQ mongrels thinking every smart person must act the same way and have the same beliefs.
>>25629976Global cataclysms happening are not my concern. They will happen when they happen and it's logical to accept I can't gain confidence as to exactly when and how.To not reproduce and to not be a force for good over the matter of simply not knowing exactly when in the future the bad times really begin, is not a reason to not do those things.
>>25629893>tweaking it into a work of fictionlmao how
>>25629940bullshit, it was an experiment where he wrote an essay and then a bunch of people made fun of itbasically 4chan
>>25630156Give it a happy ending!! Ba dummmmb tissss
>>25630156Like 1984 or something
>>25630156>>25630164A happy ending unironically. If Ted healed his unhappiness with his supposed genius, he would've been able to synthesize his frustrations into a more eloquent formulation, and understand the effort that should be undertaken to realize a happy ending instead of merely being a critic.
>>25630167what so people can endlessly argue about what he really meant?
>>25630173I disagree that his formulation isn't elegant, I find the manifesto and subsequent essays well-written
>>25629893I mean you read the books... right? His whole premise was accelerating the demise of modern society. Getting rid of the modern system altogether. Being intelligent doesn't make you a good person or well thought even. He did evil shit but he kind of sort of achieved his goal of spreading the idea. You read it. I read it. More people than ever have been exposed to it. He achieved something undoubtedly. More effectively than a work of fiction would imo. Its easy to look over dystopia stories, I mean people always like to talk about 1984 but rarely are they proactive. His whole thing was to ACTIVELY destroy the system. Not passively. And though i think >>25629944 is exaggerating a bit Ted did play a massive role in the popularization of accelerationism. Especially nowadays with the youth associating with it (lowk larp activities but whatever) and due to how enmeshed everything is, even if you were to try to do good from your side of thing you would inevitably always strengthen the system that is responsible for destroying our planet and absolutely murdering or enslaving others (sweatshop and what not, wars, genocides). Ted was understandable, intelligent, right (sometimes) even... modern society is terrible. But he wasn't good. There is a difference.
>>25630178Well-written is different from elegant. Elegant is for describing something artistic in some way. He did not create a work of art. He chose violence and it taints his work. No one wants to create a new society thought up by a guy who thought killing random innocents was okay.
>>25629918>>25629943>There is a lesson to be learned here, but I will leave it unstated lest I be accused of fedposting.
>>25629903So true that's why trannies are retarded.
the "he shouldn't have killed people and he should've been an academic" argument is so lame because how many regular people, or even ted fanboys, have heard of the people he was basically just popularizing, jacques ellul and lewis mumford? the fact you're acting like his ideas were totally original is proof he would not have been heard by many people if he chose that course.
>>25629903what does "impotently" mean in this context? he was pretty successful
>>25629903You don't get to define whats "smart"
>>25630223The discourse is unfortunately split between people who rightfully realize that taking his ideas seriously comes with a social cost, and so refuse to entertain him, and contrarians who ignore the actual substance of his writings and defend a memeified version because it is edgy. I would say he is more right than not in his diagnosis and critique of both the industrial society and of politics, though he completely failed to present any kind of coherent solution.
>>25630308>taking his ideas seriously comes with a social costWhat do you mean by that?
>>25630308He did admit to not having found a coherent solution tho. He did admit that after this social collapse things will get drastically worse and it will remain unpredictable, he only really assumes we would go back to smaller communities. He does admit that this collaps would be catastrophic too. The important point is that he believes that it is worth it. And I do think at some point, if we continue like this, living in his ideal fragmented post apocalyptic world would be on average better than whatever we are heading towards.
>>25630308Eh there are groups out there that take his ideas seriously (namely Wilderness Front) but yeah most people aren't going to outright join or support because of the social cost that comes with it. I'm surprised there hasn't been a huge Ted resurgence recently with all of the AI and data center discourse.
>>25629893Every single chud and trannie is the same. They explicitly take actions that have negative results compared to what they want to happen. It's because they've let resentment consume them. No matter how brilliant someone is, once they let resentment take control, it's over, existence and adaptation have been rejected, replaced with a dream of a holy utopian goal and the moral self-permission to engage in any atrocity as revenge for reality not meeting the expectation. Resentment is the anti-life. It's the core of every evil and the destroyer of thought and belief. It's why Christ in the NT is offered up so heavily as a pattern of non-resentment. The two concepts (gift of eternal life v. resentment) are psychologically moral-philosophical polar opposites.
>>25629893Uncle Ted was a genius who understood the state of the world better than anybody else at the time, and he managed to communicate it in a clear manner. His end plan of mailing bombs was admittedly retarded, but I think he got desperate and sperged out, because he saw the situation was hopeless and just threw up a Hail Mary.
>>25630326I mean, try telling someone you read "The Unabomber Manifesto" and see the reaction you get. Now tell them you think he made some good points. A good portion of people internalize that sense of propriety and it will precondition them towards what they're willing to entertain.>>25630327That's all good and fine in the abstract, but that assumes it is even a reasonable prospect to collapse everything. Ted's ultimate immaturity is that his thought is completely divorced from the geopolitical reality. You collapse the US, all that happens is Americans suffer a worse quality of life while the rest of the world continues it's industrial society. It's like China's One Child Policy, a huge stupid suicidal mistake that just means China slows down while other countries gain on them.>>25630339I don't disagree with you at all, but I don't think groups like Wilderness Front dominate the discourse surrounding his work. As for AI, I think people are still trying to figure it out. It doesn't outright displace people in the way industrialization did, at least not yet. Give it 2 years.
>>25630368>I mean, try telling someone you read "The Unabomber Manifesto" and see the reaction you getOh I agree with that, I thought you were saying there would be social costs to general acceptance of taking his ideas seriously. Yeah it'll definitely cost you some social points, though not as much from more open minded people
>>25630368>Americans suffer a worse quality of lifegood
>>25629893He's an evil person who hurt and killed multiple innocents in the name of a bullshit and literally backwards ideology. I pray to God that all of his supporters and especially those who sent him letters while he was imprisoned are being closely monitored by our government.
>>25629903>if you can’t fix your own mental issues you aren’t smartI'm inclined to agree only because I'm vain. I think it's possible though that a basically intelligent person, if not properly exposed to the value of analytical thinking, could fall into a permanent trap of escapism or anti-logic. As a math guy, Ted definitely understood how to be analytical, he was just clearly mistaken in how he applied that thinking to socially communicating his position. Which does somewhat damage the credibility of his assessment as to what the issues and remedies of the technoindustrial system might be.
>>25630496Criminals in 2026 don't really hide anymore. Look into True Crime tiktok (the columbine fandom included),764, or o9a or whatever other faggy internet secret club. I report them to the FBI (full name and location and everything) but the FBI won't do shit until it's too late. They are raped and just want attention for their edginess. Every time they commit a mass shooting they can barely harm a few people. It rarely makes the news. If they stick to distributing CP or making minors cut themselves they can last a long time out in the free world though.
>>25630496Good job sucking up for the evil power structure thats flirting with totalitarianism and causing global ecological collapse. Go get pozzed by Peter Thiel.
>>25629893>If he’s so smart…He's not. The bombings are an outcome of the transvestitic incel rage that the manifesto exists to rationalize, intellectualize, and displace. The book is just a manchild crashing out.
>>25629918>We wouldn't be talking about Ted Kaczynski and his ideas in this very thread if he didn't send mail bombs to people.Talking about it on computers and phones, via the internet, that is.
>>25629903>t midwit
>>25630593How retarded do you have to be to genuinely think this? The guy wrote four different books and dedicated his life to advancing the anti-tech cause.
>>25630809Yep. All the people who complain about technology are the ones most dependent on it, and would likely be the most miserable if we went back to a pre industrial society. >>25630569You sound like a moron who supports a million genocides and evils, but points his finger at others over trivialities (muh Thiel)
>>25631067he's letting 2020s culture war nonsense seep into his interpretations of historical events, sad
>>25631484I loie the concept in theory but I would never give up my generator, solar panels, battery, etc if it actually started happening.
>>25629893Because the only solution to the problems he outlines is Pol Pot/Genghis Khan level genocide on 95% of the human population. That's never going to be palatable for any audience.
The theory is just stupid. Nobody wants to live in the darkness, without plumbing or electricity. And that is not the cause of our problems. We had problems before that. Our problems are solvable without giving up modern technology. This guy was just wrong and people should stop memeing him.
I was thinking the same thing the other day.All his terrorists acts amounted to very little. Nothing was stopped, no one was moved to action. The only thing left behind are cowardly and ineffective larpers.Had he kept writing like a normal (if inflammatory) author, he would've had the same level of recognition, but he wouldn't have died in jail.Hell, he could've waited until he was older while digging deeper and still send his bombs... or maybe he knew mail-bombing wouldn't be a thing for much longer.Luigi Mangione did it better.
>>25629893He killed epstean listers, dude's a hero
>>25632151>he would've had the same level of recognition,No he wouldn't. Everyone in America heard of the unabomber. How many would have heard of Ted K? very few. Wow some schizo in a shack in montana has opinions? stop the presses!
>>25632145You're a kike.
>>25632171>Everyone in America heard of the unabomberSure, but did everyone in America read the unabomber? Did everyone understand him? Or did all they hear was there's another psycho on the loose?
>>25631484>Yep. All the people who complain about technology are the ones most dependent on it>now let me defend my billionaire kabbalist technophile jew lover in the same exact post
>>25630496>multiple innocentsNo such thing in industrial society, you horrible twisted man.
>>25632177>Or did all they hear was there's another psycho on the loose?More people are agreeing with Ted every day, and as time goes on his position continues to be vindicated more and more. You lost.
>>25632191>The only thing left behind are cowardly and ineffective larpers.
>>25632194Seethe and cope while you continue to diminish his notoriety by referencing literal whos like Luigi instead.
>>25632200I like Ted and I think he's right.I also think he threw away his life accomplishing nothing of substance at all, just like Timothy McVeigh, Luigi Mangione, the supreme gentleman...>but but le people are talkingAnd?
>>25631484>You sound like a moron who supports a million genocides and evils, but points his finger at others over trivialities (muh Thiel)Do not project onto me your sins, you vile maggot. Utterly transparent response, which didnt even try to retort the hard fact technological society entraps the individual and rapes the planet into oblivion.
>>25632208Right, let's just fatalistically goon ourselves to death because doing anything else besides that is immoral o algo.
>>25632177many people read him because he was the unabomber. if he wasn't, he'd just be like anyone on here>>25632180You're not even a real antisemite. Tell me, briefly, why jews are bad. Go on. You won't.
I just don't want to shit in a bucket Uncle Ted. I'm sorry but I'm better than that and I'm not going to live like that.
>>25632224Have your temper tantrums, I don't give a fuck, and neither will the world at large.
I will not live in the forest infested with lice and eating the bugs. I will live in my comfy house with AC, indoor plumbing, and refrigeration. I will read Proust and eat spaghetti bolognese. You people can do what you like.
>>25632281It's amazing people think that is a freer life than this. You owned nothing. Maybe one shirt and one cup. You were half starved. The local lord could do whatever he wanted and you had no recourse, no way of travelling or escaping. You were basically bound to toil and eat gruel and grumble about it and that's it.
