What does /lit/ think about Thomas Paine and his writings? Also, did he betray America as the article below says?https://christianheritagefellowship.com/how-thomas-paine-betrayed-america/
I read his 'common sense' book when young and it was absolute tripe. I can't believe anyone looked up to this retard. He literally just says 'nuh uh' to possible objections and moves on. He doesn't bother to provide any proof at all.
I know I was assigned to write a one page essay on Thomas Paine in 5th grade and I had to read it to the class. There was no Internet then so I had to go to the school library which was in the school hallway and ask for help finding information about him.
>>25630730>>25630757>>25630777boring samefagpaine was based, simple as
>>25630779>muh samefagFace it, buddy, the people who contributed to the founding of America were the Redditors of their time. They were the most progressive people in the world.
>>25630730>christianheritagefellowship.comThe Catholic church was a heresy and the Protestants only started to question what had gone wrong. Deism sought the greater truth lost to the tyrant's dogma. christianheritagefellowship.com have skulls full of the droppings of dingos
>>25630730>publishes the first major attack on Christianity in American history (Age of Reason)>Advocates wealth redistribution and handouts (Agrarian Justice)
>>25630730>christian heritage fellowship>claiming an enlightenment figure critical of religion was a “traitor”Wow yeah I don’t know why theocrats would think that a skeptic who doesn’t fit their narrative would be a traitor. The real question is whether the hate for Thomas Jefferson being a supposed hypocrite for owning slaves and him being a proponent of deism are also related, for the church the famous believer can do no wrong, and the famous unbeliever can do no right
>>25630802Søyjak take from a Gen Alfuh with severe autism
>>25631169Social Security is not a handout
Paine was the best of the founding fathers, he knew what was up with AmeriKKKa and where it was headed.
>>25631224Love him so much. That John Adams miniseries left me wanting more and better biopics of all of them. Instead all I get is an insipid musical on Hamilton. Hate Hamilton.
>>25631509Hamilton was based, and the Federalists are one of the biggest reasons behind the prosperity, longevity, and stability of the American republic
John Adams -> Benjamin Rush 13 Oct 1810>My Friend you will labour in vain. As the Love of Science and Taste for the fine Arts increases in the World, the Admiration of Greek and Roman Science and Litterature will increase. Both are increasing very fast. Your Labours will be as Useless as those of Tom Paine against the Bible, which are already fallen dead and almost forgotten.>Our Financial System and our Banks are a Species of fraudulent oppression upon the Community: But you would think me mad enough for your Tranquillizing Chair if I Should Say There is no Remedy but to return to a circulating Medium of Gold and Silver only>Commerce has in all times made wild Work with Elections, but it never invented So artful a Scheme of Corruption for that purpose as our American Banks.>I am almost as gloomy as Ames. At times I See nothing to prevent our Country both North and South America from becoming in another Century if not this, a Theatre for Gengizcans Mahoments Tamerlanes, Charlemagnes Napoleons, Burrs and Hamiltons. Our People are the Shrewdest and most Sagacious, that I know: but yet they are So easily deceived; and are in fact so universally deceived in many essential Points, that they afford no certain Resource for honest and able Men: and for what I see, they will not open their Eyes till they themselves will be obliged to have recourse to the Ratio Ultima Populorum, Rerum Publicarum et Regum. We know how this always ends.Benjamin Rush -> John Adams 21 Dec 1810>A Bank Mania pervades our city. I know not What is proper with respect to the Bank of the United States, but I am sure Our Country Banks are preparing our Citizens for a new form of Government. They are every Where drawing into thier vortex, farms & houses, and thus converting independant freeholders, into Obsequious and venal electors. The funding System was the “pomum adami” of all the evils which now threaten the liberties and happiness of the United States. It created our Canine appetite for Wealth. It reduced regular industry and virtuous œconomy to the rank of Sniveling virtues, and rendered “enterprize and successful Speculation” the only marks of civic worth in our country.
More like the Fag Girlest Diapers
>>25631219>giving everyone the equivalent of 3000 USD in current prices to everyone upon reaching the age of 21 isn't a handout
>>25631806Wtf I love Tom Paine now
>>25631177>"I too am an Epicurean (anti religious Greek philosopher")>"I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing every thing rational in moral philosophy which Greece & Rome have left us.">Praises notorious anti Christian writers Diderot and d'Holbach as virtuous men>Was a fan of the atheist feminist writer Frances Wright Idk what cuckservatives see in Jefferson. They might as well embrace Voltaire
>>25631796Love John Adams
>>25631755>the Federalists are one of the biggest reasons behind the prosperity, longevity, and stability of the American republicYes>Hamilton was basedNo. It's only that the rest of the Founders were hayseed retards who had absolutely no idea how a state should be run.
>>25630730>What does /lit/ think about Thomas Paine and his writings?/clg/ on suicide watchReminder that everything worth reading has already been translated to English.
>>25631821He was rude.
>>25631821It's a "founding father" and that's the full extent of their rationale. It's the same reason they're constantly getting tricked by televangelists, q-anon/alt-health grifters, and AI-generated hot girl scammers on Facebook: they assume the surface level is the truth and that people would never lie about being virtuous or that what they learned as kids was ever wrong. They don't question, they just accept whoever confirms their biases and then act like they've done work to dismantle the liberal establishment when they've really only fallen into another market sector of the neoliberal octopus
>>25630802I don't think you know what "progressive" means and the fact you're trying to project modern concepts onto the past means you're an unread retard and possibly underage.
>>25631850Not me
>>25631755Aaron Burr was a better person (Though reading Vidal's Burr, I can see he was remarkably similar to Hamilton)But in all honesty, the American republic that was ended with the Civil War/Reconstruction.
>>25631806>That money belongs to only the richest people!
>>25631959Yeah, conservatives are like that. They don't believe in natural rights or the ideal society; they just think the past was better. They don't even entertain the possibility that it was the past that caused the present, meaning that going back to the past would inevitably reproduce the present. The idea that past = good is about as ooga-booga as a belief can get.
>>25632001The past was better than the present though. I'm not saying that because I have an ideological commitment to valuing the past over the present irrespective of the content of the terms "past" and "present" or as some arbitrary preference for the past as a relational temporal category. I say the past is better than the present because I observed the past, and I observed the present, and found that on key objective criteria, the past wins out.For example, almost nobody would claim that the architecture of the present is superior to that of the past. Sure, it is more efficient to produce, cheaper to maintain, safer and wins out in all the key categories relevant to a hyper-efficient capitalist society, but culturally, aesthetically, from a civilisational perspective, it is undoubtedly worse.The same applies to clothing. Now we have an abundance of mass produced fast fashion produced in third world sweatshops, we are able to get cheap clothing in any colour, for any weather, stamped prominently with the logo of the company that sells it. In the past, not only were the styles sharper, more symmetrical, more beautiful (hence why we still wear suits for "special occasions"), they were made locally with local materials and thus carried an irreplaceable authenticity that was good for the soul.Ecology was better in the past. We didnt have the technological power to destroy the environment and had to live in harmony with it. Public morals and social cohesion were better, as even the Deist founding fathers were inspired by their Christian roots. The literary culture was undoubtedly superior, whereas now almost nobody reads and instead they just consume short form slop content online. Statesmen were superior -- could someone like Trump hold a candle to the founders, in education, class, intelligence, vision? The only thing the present has to offer imo is indoor plumbing. Youre right though, we can charge the past with the crime of producing the present
>>25632088>I say the past is better than the present because I observed the pasOh do you have a time machine?
>>25632088>be me>18th-century America >live in run-down, frigid shack infested with vermin>my clothes reek and fit poorly>half of my local forest was chopped down to build more shitty shacks and farmland>religious differences cause routine conflict in my town, also we have slaves, also I'm illiterate At least no one will trans my kids I guess
>>25631980That's ok
>>25632104>time machineYes, its called a book>>25632115Benjamin Franklin grew up in a 2 roomed house in Boston with 10 siblings. He had 2 years of schooling before working at his father's candlemaking shop from 10 years old. Later he was an indentured apprentice at his brother's print shop from 12, essentially a child slave, where he was beaten and poorly treated, having to run away at 17. He didn't spend 25 years in school like modern men do, yet his mind was superior to 99% of minds produced in the modern day. At 16 he was producing literature of far greater quality than any adult author alive today (apart from myself, whom nobody reads). My point in saying all this, is that this arbitrary designation of "hardship" you focus on is hardly relevant because men can learn to adapt. In fact, the hardship simply forces us to rely more on each other, creating greater bonds of social cohesion. What matters is if the environment you are in destroys the soul, which modern life does. Of course there are advantages to modern life, but it has to be analysed as a package.
>>25632088Modern sanitation almost makes it worth it. Not to mention the toaster oven.
