What's your best criticism of his work?
i dont like it
>>25637302Dont read books by authors that stand with outward pointing feet
>>25637302According to Hume, perceptions are not in need of a substance that carries them, for all substances are merely composites of simple concepts and thought. These theories of associative thinking always tend to make the associations materially independent. However, to associate is not yet to think; in fact, the special capacity for association characteristic of many a clever head appears to be rather a substitute for independent thought. Hume may be considered the spiritual father of Joyce's Ulysses, a book that makes association independent, and destroys every intellectual order so radically that nothing is left but a great garbage pile of associations.
>>25637302His early work isn't nearly as good as Ulysses.
>>25637347>he didnt read ulyssesSucks
>>25637302Honestly his sentence constructions can seem pretty odd and stilted sometimes (even when he's not trying to deconstruct the language.)
>>25637302was the pooping vignette really necessary?
>>25637302The best example in history of the danger of huffing your own farts as an artist. He had more than enough talent to write truly great literature, instead he peaked at the same time he started succumbing to his schizoid delusions of “transcending literature” and being above real literary merit. This was typical of the “make it new” Pound cultists, ultimately all they did is ritually sacrifice themselves for an unattainanable idea. We don’t need to “make it new”, we know what makes great literature tick and radically departing from it is just self-sabotage. If Joyce had grown up in Russia instead he’d have been the next Tolstoy
>>25637975So you got filtered by Ulysses and Finnegans Wake. Got it.
>>25637302Most of the Dubliners short stories don't hit that hard. He's goated otherwise.
>>25637975
>>25637302Contrived
>>25637948which one?
>>25637980>>25637995It goes without saying that any avante garde fart huffers are prime pseud bait and you two are the target audience and great examples of the obligatory seething pseud replies in defense of the guy you felt intelligent for powering through>le filtered!!!Yeah exactly, that’s what you think it’s all about
>>25637980your larp might have worked if you could have resisted throwing in Finnegans Wake
>>25638089Pseuds like that think the highest possible threshold of comprehensibility is what makes great art because they approach reading as “something intelligent people do” and mainly read to feel intelligent. The more difficult it is, the more intelligent they feel, even as they fail to actually enjoy or understand any of it. So of course he had to mention Finnegans Wake, which even Nabokov called pure gibberish. Because it’s infamously the most difficult and polarizing “classic”. And when someone criticizes what they’ve read as flawed for being so opaque and up its own ass, their whole identity as an “intelligent reader” is under attack and they have to reply>filtered!!!!and shitfling ad hom>retard!!!!The ironic thing is while they’re feeling like the most intelligent person in the thread, they’re actually just pulling from their pseud NPC dialogue wheel and I already knew, and know, what they’re going to reply. That’s their dynamic mind at work
>>25637302People often mistake the uniqueness of an artist's inner monologue, as well as the myriad technical terms they employ to impress their readers, as depth. Joyce's vocabulary in "Ulysses" in no doubt prodigious, but it's clear he put ungodly amounts of time into intentionally making passages of the book obscure and mystifying. And we can never fully think in the same patterns as someone else, so trying to inhabit a person's mental processes and digest them yourself is a halfway fruitless endeavour that makes you feel somewhat disadvantaged. It's a wonderful sleight of hand -- he leads you into a passage with a few discernable lines, and then he gets you looking in ten different directions while, really, very little is actually happening and very little in the way of philosophically unique contentions are being offered. Leopold Bloom buys some soap. He and the boys attend a funeral. Ol' Bloom-Gloom goes for a walk; Stephen offers some glib remarks on transubstantiation, a misguided theory on the Shakespearean authorship question. Sure, a novel is not meant to be a philosophical treatise by any means, but Joyce is not an altogether impressive thinker, and when you really drill down into the grist of each individual line, his work becomes a little less impressive. Plus, when you realize how easy it is to throw together a bunch of ramblings while your characters do nothing, nothing -- nada -- nihil incapaciticcio, saideth the Maestro di color che sanno. Sanatorim de punctus confutatus: Ruddy, Russy, Rudy, boy. Russy, Russy, Ruddy, boy: my boy. 12stwould've been, clock. Bong. Bong -- you begin to see that he's essentially just cramming, per his own admission, mind you, everything he knows, every reference he can, parodies of every style he's ever engaged with, into his work. "Finnegans Wake" is an even more extreme example of this. He's one of the greatest stylists we've ever seen -- that's virtually indisputable. And that amount of time he put into his projects is staggering. But when you look at his poetry, when he's forced to appeal to plain language, he's not the god people make him out to be. He simply managed to find the prose framework that best suited his skill set and natural inclinations. His career is a triumph of methodology.
>>25638083>doubles down on his own retardation>>25638089>hasn't read Finnegans WakeThe traditionalists aren't sending their best.
>>25638083As fellow fart-obsessives, you and Joyce would have got along famously.
>>25638083>>25637995
>>25638332>No uHell yeah dude
>>25638113>>25638136stick to anime and video games
>>25638344You can keep spamming all you want trying to take the sting out of your ass, literary conversation will remain woefully over your head for as long as you live, pseudGo crack open Finnegans Wake again and tell yourself you're mommy's special genius
>>25638348try the new hollow knight, i hear that's a popular one
>>25638365I don't even know what you're talking about fatass
>>25638383stick to hentai and fanduel
>>25638387Meant for >>25638387
>>25638344Approved by Tommy P.
>i surrender and concedewe know
>>25637302Same as Faulkner's critique, he was too talented for his own good at times.
>>AHHHHHHHHHH I'M BECOMING UNINTELLIGIBLE HELP ME I'M JUST TOO TALENTED FOR MY OWN GOOD AHHHHHHHHHHH SAVE ME /LIT/
You want to sound smart so bad lmao
>>25638344Why would I want your life?
>>25638430You continue to expose how you believe that reading is about "being smart" dumb pseud
You want it so bad but you just don't have what it takes.
>>25638113>which even Nabokov
>>25638113It's sad to see laziness and disorganization get in the way of enjoying masterworks of literature. Yes, you were filtered by a moderately complex book, and yes you were filtered by the Wake, but so is anyone who scrolls through a pdf of it. It does mean you're a retard, relatively. Your copes aren't even intelligent. Just sucks to have you on this board at all.
>>25638136You should read Ulysses.
>>25638348Is this a confession of your fears? You're unable to discuss Ulysses? Ulysses?? "I don't get it" is your contribution??? And then all this shit? Lol ok
This might be one of the worst threads on here in ages. Just pathetic, all around. I know this place is filled with JIDF agents, bots, and shills, but still -- what an embarrassment if any of you faggots are real people.
>>25638550Seething over Ulysses being enjoyed
>>25638422What a hack
You will never have what it takes.
>>25639376It doesn't take much anon, you can do it
>>25639386If they can read Joyce then so can you!
>>25638348You will never be smart.
I've no idea about Joyce, but his fanboys on this board are worse than colon cancer, and just as unimaginative.
>tee hee im not a samefag i swear!
>>25639417Tolstoy fanboys are worse
>>25639417McCorncob fanboys are worse
>>25639417Yet they live rent-free in your head for some reason.
What are good editions for Dubliners and Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man?
>>25640010good question
>>25639943They don't? Joyce is one of the most popular thread subjects on this board, and his fans are on average incapable of more than "anime, smart, filtered" - basically 0 literary criticism, actual arguments. Just look at this thread. Let's not pretend Joyce criticism has not existed outside of 4chan, too...
>>25641794reddit cadence
I'll never be able to outdo him and be the greatest Irish writer of all time feelsbadman :(
>>25640010norton
>>25641794filtered
