Could someone explain it? Is it just a plot hold?
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>>25643675The whole Zeus law thing was bullshit Nolan added.Agamemnon got killed by his bitch wife as soon as he got home anyway.
It took Menelaus years to return home and Agamemnon famously got kwabbed
You should let other men piss in your mouth OP, you would find it intellectually stimulating based on what we know about your current preferences.
>>25643675You fucking sicken me and I think you should be killed.
A lot of seething Trojans itt
"Zeus' law" Did emily wilson introduce this term? It's called Xenia, you fucking faggot.
>>25643675You do remember what happens to Agamemnon at home?
>>25643695>The whole Zeus law thing was bullshit Nolan addedNot really, it's just what the movie calls xenia.
>>25643675Are you retarded? Agamemnon is murdered, Menelaus is still stranded for years, then comes home and has his brother murdered. Odysseus is punished, yes, but also venerated and immortalized through his victory. You seem to forget the lessons from the Illiad: Zeus brings the greatest of heroes the greatest glory and the greatest suffering. Achilles has to endure his life partner's death in order to gain the glory of slaying Hector. Hector gets the glory of slaying Patroclus and beating back the Achaians but then has to be slain. It's all foreseen and decided in advance, and although Odysseus is forced to endure, his noble qualities are recognized by Zeus and lead him ultimately to happiness.
>>25643831She hates the term Zeus’s law
>>25643675Zeus never punished odysseus. Poseidon did. Zeus actually felt for the guy but wouldn’t intervene and risk to offend his brother. Am I being trolled here ?
>>25644083Zeus punished Odysseus for war crimes, it’s at least heavily implied
>>25643675>plot holdESL thread
>>25643903>Not really, it's just what the movie calls xenia.And it's wrong.>Xenia consists of two basic rules:>The respect from hosts to guests. Hosts must be hospitable to guests and provide them with a bath, food, drink, gifts, and safe escort to their next destination. It is considered rude to ask guests questions, or even to ask who they are, before they have finished the meal provided to them.>The respect from guests to hosts. Guests must be courteous to their hosts and not be a threat or burden. Guests are expected to provide stories and news from the outside world. Most importantly, guests are expected to reciprocate if their hosts ever call upon them in their homes.Let us note that Nolan completely ignores what Xenia actually is for his pretense of "zeus's law".The movie is terrible.
>>25644103Could easily be a typo: d is just below e.
>>25644109Zeus’s law is simple: treat others as you would want to be treated. It’s obvious how Odysseus violated that by sacking Troy
>>25644118>Zeus’s law is simple: treat others as you would want to be treated. It’s obvious how Odysseus violated that by sacking Troyand it doesn't exist in The Odyssey dipshit, the gods were all for the sack of Troy they like drama, they don't like being disrespected. Nolan's stupid christcucking neoliberall bullshit is garbage.
>>25644122He didn’t just defeat Troy. The Greeks killed civilians, they raped, they plundered, they enslaved. You just read that article by Emily Wilson and it’s put blinders over your brain
>>25644149>He didn’t just defeat Troy. The Greeks killed civilians, they raped, they plundered, they enslaved. You just read that article by Emily Wilson and it’s put blinders over your brainAre you an idiot? War always comes with killing civilians, look at the special military operation or even the war in Iraq. Nobody actually cares about civilians unless a greater power makes them. In the age that the Odyssey raping and plundering are simply a matter of course in war, no one cares or punishes anyone for this, it is in fact extremely heroic to rape and plunder for your homeland the only shame is to lose.The gods thought Troy was arrogant and deserved it's downfall.
>>25644162>The gods thought Troy was arrogant and deserved it's downfall.Im the initial anon that said Nolan made that shit up.You are right look at all the rape and civilians murser in Iraq and Afghanistan. Shit theres videos of soldiers through ingredients puppies off a cliff.The gods werent in agreement on Troy. There were god that backed up Troy atleast in the Iliad. I never read any of the fragments so I dont know if Apollo and Aphrodite came around.
>>25644094In the film or in the book?
>>25644179>Shit theres videos of soldiers through ingredients puppies off a cliff.Cheer up Bosnian kid.
>>25643719The Aqua teen episode this little animation is from - Dirtfoot- is so kino.>and he gave me this look like HEY I wear running shorts !
>>25644149This is genuinely not much of a thing in the Greek consciousness. xenia does not apply to those you are at war with. Plunder and piracy was a fairly common part of the Greek world and not necessarily frowned upon as inherently against the justice of Zeus. There were no rules of war except the honor expected between heroes related by blood. >>25644162The Trojan war was not understood as some great sin committed by either the Greek or Trojan side. In fact, other epic fragments, and later Greek grammaticians often understood the Trojan and Thebian wars as together constituting the end of the age of heroes, planned by Zeus in some way because of either impiety or overpopulation, so if anything, the war was understood as the execution of a universal divine wrath on both sides of the isle, not the instantiating cause for a one-sided divine wrath. The breaking of Zeus' law as it is depicted in the movie is an invention of Nolan, and Nolan's interpretation of Xenia is obviously that of an American filmmaker processing the cruel excesses of imperial wars abroad, not a reflection on the morals and customs of heroic age Greece. It is a work of art, not an archeological reconstruction of ancient Homeric morality.
>>25644232Ironic Nolan opted to shoot it in lands the indigenous Sahrawis are being ethnically cleansed from against their wishes of his doing so because the government cleansing them gets money from the permits, a government which is very close to Israel because both shill for each other’s projects. Both governments are also incidentally in bed with America and the Trump administration and imperialist projects
>>25644179> There were god that backed up Troy atleast in the Iliad.This is a misunderstanding of it. They all knew Troy was destined to fall but still they were each allowed to show favor on Troy if they wanted to, ie Poseidon telling Aeneas the great empire should come form his seed after the city falls
>>25644245damn yea that is kind of crazy what the fuck.
>>25644248I think it was Wilson who pointed out how much that makes his artistic message looked retarded
>>25644232>Nolan's interpretation of Xenia is obviously that of an American filmmaker processing the cruel excesses of imperial wars abroadAnd it is classically American in about making us feel compassion for the American soldiers and marines beset by the agony of it all. In the end, they’re the real victims
>>25644255I guess it really depends on how much Nolan would've known about that. I feel like a filmmaker lamenting about the cruelties his country commits against his will, finding out that that country has been committing even more cruelties against his will and that he has indirectly benefited from it without personally intending harm does not really ruin the message, if anything it reinforces it. If he knew about it and greenlit that filming location anyway, then yea that kind of undermines the whole thing.
>>25644266Do you understand the allegory of the Dark Knight trilogy? How Batman represents America? “We hate him because he can take it.”
>>25644282I thought it was because he was mean to fat kids.
>>25644282America is a power bottom?
>>25644289Yes for Israel
>>25644282Gonna have to be honest, i have not much thought about batman since i was like 16 so i can't recall enough details to conclude much about Nolan's vision of America or his views on the genocide of native Americans.
>>25644286The League of Shadows represents Islamic fundamentalism (raz) and the far left (bane) and the idea they have a united enemy in America. Joker represents terrorism in general, which has to be stopped by the patriot act. Two-face is again a leftist critique of American capitalism, “unfair” and so on. All of the villains are trying to destroy meritocracy and capitalism and basically Americanism. Batman is the thankless military and NSA who gets blamed for “collateral damage” as with Harvey
>>25644299Hmm i dont know if Batman, and by extension America, is supposed be read as an unambiguous good guy fighting the problem in this whole trilogy, rather than a cause, or at least part of, the problem. I suppose much like the Odyssey it is kind of an American-centric, perhaps somewhat naive critique of America's issues. Neither quite radical enough to escape the neo-conservative frameworks it tries to critique, nor quite stupid enough to fully embrace it.
>>25644325Batman however is not presented as causing the problem by bombing people. Gotham prior to him is run by murderous mobsters. By disposing of the order of mobsters, the freaks come off the chain, but that is very dubious responsibility compared to blowback’s reality
>>25644299But is Batman mean to fat kids? I heard he was calling them nugget nukers or something like that?
>>25643675Shortly after returning home Agamemnon is murdered by his wife's lover, and then his son murders his own mother to avenge him, forcing him to permanently flee the city pursued by vengeful monsters. I'd consider that wholesale destruction of his family to be divine retribution.>>25643695>The whole Zeus law thing was bullshit Nolan added.Read the cyclops chapter, it is explicitly invoked there.
>>25644438agamemnon and menelaus weren't with odysseus so they didn't eat the sun gods oxen? man this board is too stupid now
>>25644350Batman's corporation causes the crime and mobsterism. Batman like Epstein creates a circus or spectacle or circuit of desire.
>>25644464>agamemnon and menelaus weren't with odysseus so they didn't eat the sun gods oxenWhen did I say they were? Also my reading of the the oxen episode is that it was a trap from the Gods where the crew, which has been fated to die, is put in a position where their choice is either blaspheme by stealing the cattle and be smoten for it or die of starvation.
