Reminder that terms such as:>“classical education”>“great books”>”Athens and Jerusalem”>“virtue of the Ancients”>”glory of Western Civilization”Are all neocon dogwhistles.Straussian neocons are clearly taking advantage of the education and literacy crisis in America as a means of regrouping, especially since the Trump presidency was sabotaged and everyone views MAGA as a joke now. Neocons are weaselling their way into the education system again to indoctrinate kids and teenagers into their agenda so they will vote for neocon politicians in the near future. They talk about getting kids to study Plato, Xenophon, Aristotle, Cicero, Augustine, Aquinas, (((Maimonides))), Machiavelli, (((Spinoza))), Locke, Rousseau, etc., learn Latin and Ancient Greek at young ages, and pump their heads full of political philosophy and great literature albeit from an entirely Straussian/neocon angle loaded with Zionism and Jewish supremacy. This is all a MAJOR Trojan horse. St. John’s College and Hillsdale College (both notorious neocon hubs) appear to be ground zero for this stuff but it’s going to be spreading everywhere soon. DON’T FALL FOR IT.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oh6DmjQahohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NNEkcfxxHUhttps://www.opendemocracy.net/en/article-1542jsp/
fuck off >>>/pol/
>>25646436No. This is important for /lit/erati.
Big if true/
>abandon your intellectual heritage because jews are trying to appropriate itNice try jewanon.
>>25646492You trust Zionist neocons to teach western heritage?
>>25646524If you think reading Plato/Thucydides/Xenophon/Aristotle/Polybius/Cicero/Caesar/Livy/etcetera even with jewish framing will make the reader more inclined to zionism, then you have not understood those authors. It is better that they be read with jewish framing than that they be entirely unread.
>>25646537>It is better that they be read with jewish framing than that they be entirely unread.Why?
Why don’t you go dig a cave and hide there where the Jews can’t sap your Aryan brilliance. Just make sure the place was never stepped upon by any evil merchants, contact with the polluted soil might make you catch the heebie jeebies.
>>25646432>I got dunked on in the Plato/Strauss threads now I'm having a melty in a thread of my ownStay mad Drury, Straussophobia is an old bugbear.
>>25646432Literally all of these terms are completely antithetical to neoconservatism. The whole point of neoconservatism is that you throw culture out the window in favor of immediate utility and short term profit. A neoconservative would tell you to stop reading those useless old books and go do something that makes money instead. This is literally the whole reason why the humanities have been captured by leftists.You are making yourself hysterical over nothing.
>>25646576>caveI see what you did there…
>>25646591This is the only correct post in this thread.
>>25646608That retard is completely wrong and hasn't read a word of Strauss.
Just do the libertarian version of the Great Books program, anon. Problem solved!
>>25646616https://www.city-journal.org/article/clemson-university-south-carolina-lyceum
>>25646611You got your shit rocked in the other thread and now you've created a fresh thread so you can pretend that didn't happen and embarass yourself all over again. Do everyone a favor and go blow your brains out so your mother can clean out your bedroom and sell the house already.
Go to bed, Shadia.
>>25646584>>25646633As the anon who went over Drury's sloppiness in that thread...I kinda wouldn't be surprised if this is just a bait thread to get people looking into Strauss + great books. OP seems off. Not an advisable way to get people into Strauss, at any rate.
>>25646645My thought too.>noooooo don't read the core of the Western Canon as Strauss actually advised you to do!!! He was a jew and some of his students sucked!!!! Neoconservatism isn't actually based i swear!
>>25646432I see no problem with this.
>>25646432Don't care. I'm putting my kids into classical education because I want them to understand white culture.
>>25646432Anti-Strauss /pol/tards already got utterly raped a month or two ago in the big Strauss thread we had by the 2-3 people on this board who'd actually read him. Anyway here's a nice series of lectures I ended up listening to because of that old threadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cMpiTijcIkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb3P_AS4WIo
>>25646591This is the only wrong post in this thread
>>25646616>>25646632Can't believe right-wing libertarians are still beefing with neocons. It's not 2008 anymore.
>>25646432OH NOEZ conservatives want people to read books! Anyway.
>>25646432Lemme guess: Claremont Institute?
>>25646432"Western culture" is what you tell a bunch of people so they identify with greeks while their actual home and culture get genocided even though not a single one of their ancestors ever read anything a greek person ever wrote (or if they did they only did starting like 1-200 years ago at best)And like you said a way to try to force jews in.
>>25646436
>>25646734>Anyway here's a nice series of lectures I ended up listening to because of that old threadBased.Hard to believe Strauss was a "villain" when he was constantly seething about the fall of the West into moral relativism and nihilism.
>>25646524So the problem is not in the books but in how they are taughtObviously modern mainstream teachers are completely evil, this isn't news to anyone>>25646591> This is literally the whole reason why the humanities have been captured by leftists.Hardly. Most conservatives never became neocons. It's more the leftists' 'long march through the institutions' that lead to them capturing them than rightists just all stopping reading or whatever.
>>25647200>Claremont Institute?not opHmm? Who are they?
>>25646871I have no idea what point you're trying to make. What do either of those groups have to do with university English departments? Consider making actual arguments and adding substance to your posts instead of just vague nothingness.
What were the paleocons that the neocons deposed? I don't really understand the US political theatre.
>>25647190reddit tier >>25647203So what's your point. What should they read. Their "actual culture" didn't write anything, and anyways the greeks have been their "actual culture" for the last 2000 years so I'd say that counts.
>>25646432I have a Great Books degree and I literally think Tel Aviv should be glassed. Maybe your premise is incorrect.
>>25646524This kind of binary thinking will doom you. Its always either/or with you fucks and not the based Kierkegaard kind.
>>25646576>the heebie jeebies>hebeI also see what you did there
>>25647302Think tank founded by disciples of Strauss' former student Harry Jaffa. They are heavily funded by Peter Thiel and are known as the "brains" behind JD Vance.
>>25647336>They are heavily funded by Peter ThielCompared to most left-wing intellectuals who are directly funded by the CIA.
>>25646734wish the audio quality of those lectures was better.
OP is a retard, obviously, but there is a point to be made of how the right (in this case, neocons) is unquestionably taking advantage of how the left has become a vacuum of intellect.Especially in the past five years or so the American left has almost entirely dismissed intellect and intellectualism in favour of appeals to emotion and petty in-fighting over covid masking, whose identity makes them the most marginalized, and whether or not going to the gym is “fascist”. Hell, there was someone from the anarchism sub on Reddit who recently argued that narcissists and psychopaths should be seen as “oppressed”. Why? What’s the left's antidote to the right when the right uses literacy and philosophy and such as a means of implementing fascism (or fascism-lite)? The American left seems to be taking the view that intellect is either 1. oppressive (because it inevitably creates a culture whereby smart people are upheld over stupid people) and/or 2. useless, because ethics are allegedly already embedded within human genetics and therefore all we need is intuition (Kropotkin’s Mutual Aid book is often invoked here). Why?
>>25646635>>25646645Plot twist: it's Drury's TA who keeps making these threads seething about "neocons".
>>25647399Isn't it that ginger commie retard from /pol/?
>>25647403Are you talking about Caleb Maupin?
>>25647406Fucked if I know, I briefly checked /pol/ recently clicked the top thread to to see how things were going, and realised it was vids of the ginger muppet talking about neocons, I remember him doing these weird streams there before I gave up on /pol/
>>25647372>actually believing this
>>25647420OP is the brownest Muslim on earth
>>25646432>(((Maimonides)))Why would gentiles bother teaching him?
>>25647406He got exposed for running a sex cult.
>>25646432it's just libtard indoctrination where they pretend that cicero was some great mind because he made up a bunch of words
>>25646432>Rousseauwhy the fuck is rousseau in that list
>>25646432Now THIS is well-poisoning!
>>25647437he's White and from a long time ago. That's the only reason people "fight" over the classics. They're all written by White males from the wrongbad before time, when BIPOC voices weren't a focus in literature.
>>25647513doesn't seem like this canon is especially coherent unless you just don't absorb any information from reading them
>>25646432why do you even come to this board man
>>25647523you're right, op just seems to have an issue with (((People of a certain background))) and hamfistedly forcing them into an argument about the classics.
>>25647547I don't doubt that neocons would lump rousseau into a list purely because he's pale and stale, i just wasn't thinking
Is it true strauss had a short lived personal nazi era (albeit an anti-hitlerian take on it) while in Weimar?
>>25647568No, but he was sympathetic to Italian Fascism, at least as it was in '33.
>>25646432But conservatives don't read, and definitely don't put any stock in education. I actually don't know who these kinds of posts are for. Those definitely are dogwhistles but I think they generally fall on deaf ears.
>>25647630conservates do read, they don't put stock in academia because it's taken over by retards and grifters, unless it's a hard scence.anyway consservatism isn't exactly a left right split since the left is pretty conservative, these political labels are somewhat useless
>>25647425Why not?
>>25646432Why are neocons bad?
>>25646432Neocons are infinitely superior to you. You are a neonazi and conspiracy theorist. You don't have any credentials to talk about culture.
What’s stopping Marxists from starting Great Books programs?
Return to your native /pol/ you salivating nazi retard. You don't have the faintest notion about Leo Strauss or neoconservatism, and you certainly haven't read any of the books you mention. No one is throwing away Aristotle and Augustine because some catboycumgulping groyper faggot thinks that they're both contributing to a neocon zionist conspiracy.
>>25648044Because, at this point, leftists are more likely to claim intellect is an oppressive social construct and that wanting people to be smart and literate is forming an oppressive social hierarchy against literal retards.
>>25648044You mean other than being talentless resentful hacks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMzBtJheAG0>up for one day>already over 100k viewsStraussbros we are so back,
>>25647630You don't understand the world around you at all. It's crazy to run into these people whose worldview is entirely run by theories and propaganda and zero relationship to reality (aka leftists).
>>25648105Welp, that was hard to read.
>>25646553Those books build up thousands of years of thought. Only so much a jew can do to them. There still plenty of truth in them even the jews try to corrupt it. Truth in itself is pure and incorruptable. So the jews can do all their jewish meddling but still readers will get some truth from it.
>>25648255Jews are literally just a priest class, their entire means to power is controlling information through permitted interpretations.The more I look at topics like medicine, history, economics, science the more I recognise the same patterns of deception.It makes me hesitant to trust any philosophy advocated or founded by jews because of it's avoidance of simple truths in favour of curated lies.
>>25648044“The canon is bourgeois.”
>>25648271Plato and Aristotle are free from jewish corruption. Just dont read Strauss translations
>>25648301The Canon existed before the bourgoise and yes they contributed to it. Without the bourgeoisie there would be no proletariat. Studying their thought seeing the contradictions as the resolve leading to Hegel then to Marx is essential for all high ranking cadre.Thats why im homeschooling my kid teaching him ancient greek getting him ready for Marx.
>25648227buy an ad, bug.
>>25648105It is time for Marxists to reject "the left"We have minimul in common. The Marxist goal is to resolve the contradictions under capitalism leading to a higher more productive society that is not eating itself.The leftist is guided by bourgoise morality. The latest flavor of which is a Rawlsian intersectionality synthesis. This treats all "axis of opression" as equal. In reality there is the one primary contradiction (bourgoise over proletariat).It is time for Marxists to step away from the people that want to give hormones and Ritalin to children, the people that complain about microagressions, the people that identify as xe,xim.These freaks do not have anything to do with resolving the great contradiction of bourgoise over proletariat.
>Marxismyou guys realise that and its offshoots are just another abrahamic manipulation via deception methodology rght?
>>25648338>Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and because the conflict between man’s individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished.>The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.
>>25647639>>25648242This is some massive cope. Maybe 1 out of every 10 American conservatives could name a single classic novel, maybe 1 in 100 could name a philosopher, and 1 in 1000 could name a poet. There is a subset of conservatives that do hold these ideas but they're in the vast majority. I see them push this "classic education" meme but they don't even understand the actual state of their own side. There's a reason red states are always the lowest in education, and they're not even on that "leftist education" shit. Good luck expecting them to adopt "classic education".
>>25646432>the JEWS want you to read Aristotle and HomerRight when I thought they couldn't get more based
>>25648342And I'm sure the "left" voting masses are somehow even more literate and aware?these political lables are clearly tripe.
>>25646432>>“virtue of the Ancients”>>”glory of Western Civilizationunironically meaningless
>>25648105>”intelligence is seen as a virtue”Yes, and what’s wrong with this?
The problem you're going to encounter teaching the Classics is that the brown recent arrivals, or even those who have been around for a while, have no interest in this whatsoever, being not "Western" themselves but imports. They openly disdain White people and Western Civilization, and have no desire to contribute or participate in it, more often than not wanting to demolish it entirely and replace it with simple barbarism. And on the other hand, you have receptive Western minds who could *potentially* read said books, but likely won't if you demand they do it, because these demands are coming from an older generation who have a long, well-established pattern of betrayal and treason, up to and including the importation of aforementioned brown people. So a rich boomer with two yachts who imported 10,000 Somalis telling you to suddenly read Xenophon because Israel needs help isn't going to really resonate with... well, anyone.
>>25648044Philosophy is utterly worthless. Anthropology teaches us that human beings are intrinsically moral and don’t require adherence to abstract, man-made systems of ethics. Any good leftist realizes anthropology has all the answers that philosophy claims to seek.
>>25648439
>>25648439go pass out more zines and give needles to lumpe bums you anarcho-retard
>>25647523it's not supposed to be coherentthe point of the "western canon" is not that it forms a coherent ideology, it's that it's a set of works that many authors will routinely refer back to and expect their readers to get it without explanation.it's like how any reasonable introductory reading list of 20th-century anglo-american political philosophy is going to include both rawls and nozick, not because they're pointing to some shared truth but because often other writing is going to refer back to them, and if you don't know what they said you're going to be confused.this whole point gets lost by idolatrous rightoids who treat the canon as an end in itself rather than as a good place to start
>25648439>i dont read but i need to fit in!
>>25648447I agree human rights are a western invention. Im skeptical of his claim Indians are immoral. The Islamic Indians certainly follow a moral system. The Hindu ones might be amoral, that shit is older than Judiasm which has the most backwards hypocritical moral system anyone has ever seen. The caste system certainly supports that.
>>25646432>Trump presidency was sabotagedlmao, they're such accountability sissies. Book reading is good though maybe the next gen wont be filled with retards in the marketplace of ideas.
>>25648458>it's that it's a set of works that many authors will routinely refer back to and expect their readers to get it without explanation.why would you refer back to an author whose belief system contradicts your own unless you're reading/ quoting him selectively and out of context>it's like how any reasonable introductory reading list of 20th-century anglo-american political philosophy is going to include both rawls and nozick, not because they're pointing to some shared truth but because often other writing is going to refer back to them, and if you don't know what they said you're going to be confused.sounds like it would be better to just read a basic explainer rather than the entire works of rousseau if that's the only reason you're reading him
>>25646432Zionism is based
>>25648518for one thing maybe you're not a solipsistic midwit who thinks their belief system is the objectively correct one
>>25647226>when he was constantly seething about the fall of the West into moral relativism and nihilism.And even that was a side job after his main obsession of doing autistically close readings of Ancient Greek writers. The attempt at crafting a boogeyman around Strauss is one of the most retarded things I've seen the online right do in a long time.
>>25648540>doesn't believe in his own belief systemincredible, if you were in the soviet union you'd be sent to a gulag for saying shit like that. or is this some huggy wuggy "everything's like, relative, maaaaaaaan" bullshit?
>>25648562Yeah that's one reason the soviet union was retarded. Certainly don't think everything's relative, but if everybody thinks their mutually incompatible belief systems are the correct ones then most of them are necessarily wrong. What are the chances that MINE is the right one?
>>25648567>if everybody thinks their mutually incompatible belief systems are the correct ones then most of them are necessarily wrong.or there are multiple coherent belief systems that are simply incompatible with each other in some contexts. i could believe a radiator works because i am a radiator mechanic or because i think that radiators generate heat- one understanding may be more complex and/ or accurate but the simpler understanding isn't wrong, and may be more functional. do you understand?>What are the chances that MINE is the right one?if you don't believe that your belief system is coherent then you either don't understand it enough or your belief system is incoherent and it should be abandoned
>>25648552Isn't he still highly regarded among classicists?
>>25646432The real agenda is a country full of illiterate serfs.
>>25648978Nta, but very mixed reception. His adopted daughter, Jenny Strauss Clay, and her deceased husband, Diskin Clay, are decently respected. Burnyeat's student G.R.F. Ferrari respects him, as do non-analytic and non-Tubingen Plato scholars; Xenophon scholars give him a nod for reviving the study of Xenophon, and kind of grant that there's something to how he reads Xenophon, but they always seem aggravated when they do.
>>25647358What the fuck are you on about? The cia and the united states literally funded and led junta in latin american against leftist democratic governments. Stop saying stupid shit without thinking, rube.
>>25648997I think this anon is specifically referring to non-Marxist leftists who promote a watered-down version of "leftism" that's safe for coexistence with the capitalist state apparatus.
>>25647630The only books they claim to read are atlas shrugged and the Bible. They only actually read atlas shrugged.
>>25648437Immigrants from south america dont have an ideological agenda against the western world you claim, dummy kun. They wont read those great books because they are functional illiterate and need to earn money doing menial labor.
>>25648325I'll take this seriously when you start actually calling out leftist lies. Start with 'all men are created equal.'
>>25648342>they're not even on that "leftist education" shit.You've proven with this sentence, yet again, what I said before. You have no idea what is happening in the world around you. Red state public schools are almost exactly the same as blue state ones. Hell, so are red state PRIVATE schools.Lefties just have no clue what is happening in the world. They do not live in reality. They live in their fantasy world.
>>25648455Zines are cool, chart threads areBasically zine threads.
Didnt Harold bloom already write several books about western Canon? How is this different?
>>25648437>So a rich boomer with two yachts who imported 10,000 Somalis telling you to suddenly read Xenophon because Israel needs help isn't going to really resonate with... well, anyone.This isn't who imported them. It's leftists.>>25649014They clearly have a vague brown pride/ anti white thing going on
>>25648463Plenty of MAGAts still deny Trump is a Zionist.
>>25646734Add this one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoaNsOYv8-4
>>25646432Neocons are based actually.
>>25649352https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjBsLI7_RIPaul Wolfowitz was groomed by Allan Bloom, a former student of Leo Strauss.Bill Kristol was groomed by Harvey Mansfield, a close friend of Leo Strauss.
Retarded seething incel faggot general?
>>25649103Nope, not a single one denies this.What you mean is "when I tell them he supports Israel they don't immediately disavow him, why won't they do what I tell them to?"(you, like all lefties, have the mind of an evil retarded child)
>>25649000NTA but yes the CIA in the 50s and 60s pushed "cultural leftism" instead of economic socialismThats why fags and tr00ns make up so much of the current left. CIA encouraged people to fight small idpol battles instead of fighting for socialism which will help all Americans except the bourgoise and their dogs the CIA
>>25646432it was all started by the catholic church
>>25649483Based CIA
>>25647428It was no sex cult just more lefties that cant take a joke or light flirting
>>25646616I want to impregnate Liza.
>>25647372What has the American Right done all these years?
>>25649545Much like the american left focus on cultural non issues.Tr00ns wont get me to the polls health insurance will.
>>25649005>They only actually read atlas shrugged.doubt. I had to give up 700 something pages in because of how boring it was.
>>25649073>This isn't who imported them. It's leftists.Christian charities/NGOs are heavily involved in promoting and facilitating third-world immigration into the first-world/Western nations. It isn't just the "leftists" and "da jooz." I'm pretty sure (I'm not looking it up right now) that Lutheran organizations in Minnesota are responsible for Somalian immigration there.
>>25648439>leftist
>>25648325>In reality there is the one primary contradiction (bourgoise over proletariat).go read lenin. imperialism is the highest contradiction rn. you aren't going to organize treatlerites in the imperial core while the petrodollar system still exists
>>25648437bro hasn't been in university. I know multiple Somalian women in my classics department studying ancient Greek rn
>>25649564t. settler colonial social chauvinism
The french revolution was a mistake.
>>25649370Wolfowitz was shaped by Wohlstetter, which is why he did his dissertation under Wohlstetter on policywonk shit Straussians don't touch. And Bill Kristol was Irving Kristol's son, he was shaped by his father. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
>>25649564Its over.
>>25649614Yeah and they took those spots and money from white men with twice the brainpower
>>25649615The american conception of a trans person is uniquely first world.Yes people all through history have identified as other genders than their birth. Yes some even modified their bodies to do so.The western trans phenomenon is based up for profit medical system, bourgeoise social thought regarding beauty standards, and immaterial liberal thought.This fringe group has become a football for leftists and rightists. All nuance has been removed from it from perverted social capital.
>>25646432theyre missing tyndale, chesterton, cs lewis
>>25649761>twice the brainpowerWe're talking about somalis, one of the lowest people on the planet. your multiplier is much too weak.
>>25649879The simultaneously believe this and that Somalians have taken Minnesota for a ride for millions. Schrodingers Somalian.
>>25649882They're ethnocentric scammers.
>>25649882
>>25649882if you watch the nick shirley documentaries they seem like retards, but TPTB just let them get away with it
>>25649902>TPTB just let them get away with ittheres nothing tyrants love more than foreign criminals
>>25646432the only other option is to fabricate a bunch of bullshit based on liberal fancy.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg&ra=m
>>25649898Ain't no way Charlie's neck is kevlar. That pencil shit will NEVER stop a bullet ain't no way. >>25649902If you watch his "documentary" you will learn Nick Shirley is a fucking retard. Just me and the boys rolling up before opening time to see if we can record some toddlers that we aren't related to. Thats what I call sane behavior.
>>25649912yes agreed Nick Shirley comes across as a moron as well in the documentary, but those businesses seem shady as fuck and the reactions of the somalis are not normal
>>25649917Really. Show me your normal face.>Hello, saar, myself and my associates have arrived to record your business operate saar, we are concerned citizen ensuring quality assurance of government spending , dont mind the cameras please just open the nursery sweaty beautiful lovely saar
>>25649483As if we didn't get massive 'economic leftism' anyways
>>25649927>Sorry, there are children here and obviously I can't let you videotape them, but you're welcome to come back at 4pm for a tour
>>25649972THESE FUCKING SCAMMERS ARE HIDING THE FACT THERE ARE NO KIDS HERE AND THEY RE ROBBING THE PUBLIC WHERE ARE FHE KIDS WHERE ARE THE KIDS BLOODY BASTERD YOU ARE SCAM YOU BLOODY VISHNUUUUU WILL RAIN WRATH ON ALL SCAMMER FUCK YOU BLOODY YOU ARE GOING JAIL Okay guys we got the footage let's go.
>>25649995>I AM SILLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>>25649917hasn't he also exposed a bunch of medical equipment/service companies that literally do nothing but somehow get millions in medicare/medicaid? His methods are weird and I don't like him but he is exposing actual crime and fraud which people tend to ignore for some reason.
>>25650002:3
>>25650004The learing center video also had him going into a building full of shady medical offices
>>25646432The problem isn't that the right is getting smarter (they're retarded), but that the left is getting dumber.Imagine a debate between Penny Pink-Hair from the infoshop and Right-Wing Roger who's fresh out of Hillsdale College. Penny will argue by appealing to the "lived experience of the oppressed", "trauma", and possibly some vague idea of intersectionality even though she has a very poor grasp of what that concept even is. Roger, meanwhile, will appeal to Plato, Aristotle, John Locke, and de Tocqueville. Penny won't appeal to Marx, Proudhon, Fanon, or Deleuze because she is a retard who thinks "lived experience" defies all philosophy. This, my friend, is the real problem regarding the left and intellectualism.Also, “Straussian cabal” isn’t real.
>>25649715Bill Kristol was Mansfield’s student at Harvard. You have no idea how deep this shit goes.
>>25646734Don't know what you're talking about. The Straussians get blown the fuck out every time the focus shifts from Strauss to the movement nominally inspired by him. I say this as a pro-Strauss /pol/tard. >>25648552Because Strauss himself isn't exactly the problem. It's Jaffa, Bloom, Mansfield, etc.
>>25650421You have no idea how dumb this shit is.
>>25649927>>25649995What exactly is the point of running cover for bulb headed third worlders that shouldn't be here in the first place
>>25650429>what is the point of shitpostingThe friends we make along the way and not everyone here is low iq racist. Some of us are average.
>>25650428Explain it then.
>>25650432Most of us are average IQ racists, some are high IQ racists
>>25646432>>25646438you are stupid and don't know what marketing is.or you're actually a bolshevik or israeli (same thing) who just wants to destroy Christian norms (read: Western norms) because you are addicted to butt stuff and degenerate and haven't actually practiced your own religion in 2000 years because your Temple was rightfully thrown down
>>25650425>The Straussians get blown the fuck out every time the focus shifts from Strauss to the movement nominally inspired by him.Nta, but that doesn't seem true at all. If anything, once a list of names starts being produced, the likeliest response is "oh, but those don't count," because most Straussians are just academics, or the extent of their involvement ends up being "they served a position for Reagan that no one remembers or cares about."
>>25650436No, go ahead and explain why it's more significant that Bill Kristol was taught by Mansfield than that his father was Irving Kristol.
>>25650454>the extent of their involvement ends up being "they served a position for Reagan that no one remembers or cares about."AKA the displacement of the Old Right by the New Right cultivated during the Reagan revolution, of which Straussians were a substantial mercenary class by serving as a recruiting, networking, and propaganda reservoir. It's hard to bother even arguing at this point because it's always the same set of tactics, whether it is feigned ignorance or deluded straw man arguments, never an attempt to actually lay down the facts of what actually happened and the surrounding context.
>>25650462Lol of course it's the Gottfried retard. This may shock you, but Jaffa, Bloom, and Mansfield are nowhere near as important as you copingly wish they were, and you've in no thread actually bothered to lay down facts, just a bunch of appeals to Gottfried, and a lazy occasional "I could name twenty of da sonsabitches" while steadfastly refusing to do so when explicitly told to put up or shut up.
>>25650456It’s both equally. Irving was friends with Strauss anyway. Neoconservatism officially began when Irving Kristol read Persecution and the Art of Writing.
>In my youth I followed trotsky >and in truth I follow him still
>>25650581>source: my ass
>>25650478>confuses me with another anon who is far more eloquent and well-versed on the topic and writes much differently than I doI don't know whether to feel embarrassed for you, given that Straussians are supposed to be subtle and careful readers, or to feel complimented to be mistaken for another giga-based anon. The funny thing is that I've argued with him on many occasions over whether Strauss should be thrown out with the bathwater. I don't think he even posts anymore. I haven't seen him in years. I miss effortposts like these: https://warosu.org/lit/thread/20520557#p20520859So, I don't know what kind of monomaniacal person you think I am, or if you are so lazy to classify all your opposition as the same person, or whatever. I know that Gottfried anon blows me out of the water, it's not even a contest. I just know the extent of the influence that the Straussian movement had in displacing paleoconservative voices in the American conservative movement, and it is both an unequivocal fact and a clear tragedy to American conservatism. You can like Strauss and hate the Straussian partisans. It's okay. You will feel liberated. And if that is exactly the *opposite* of what you want, that you're one of those types who believe "it didn't happen, and if it did, it was a good thing", then we already know your motives and can bring this pointless argument to a close.
Don't mind me just posting my Straussian inspired theory article. Strauss was first and foremost a defender of liberty. https://voegelinview.com/heir-to-the-throne-posthumanism-and-the-specter-of-the-totalitarian-titan/
>>25649545Nothing, but they still have a lot of supporters.
>>25650581The son who joins his father's political clique is clearly taking after the father more than the professor who teaches courses on Machiavelli, De Tocqueville, and Bolingbroke. Have you ever actually watched one of his "Conversations" episodes? Bill appreciates but isn't exactly up the level of following his Straussian guests.>>25650646If you're not Gottfriedanon, then you're certainly arguing just like him. In any case, no, it's not clear that the Straussians pushed the Paleocons out, let alone had done so to the extent that you and Gottfriedanon seem to think. The Straussians are all over the place in terms of political ideology, to the extent that Jaffa and some of the people in his circle from Claremont are substantially closer to Paleocons than Neocons; Bloom wasn't a Neocon of any sort, but a moderate democrat; and Mansfield might be, but I was under the impression he was a Burkean, the only "Neocon" position I've seen him hold is supporting the war in Iraq, which is only necessarily a Neocon position if your argument amounts to affirming the consequent. This kind of reduction of the Right to "Paleocons vs Neocons" truly sounds like a certain kind of cope meant to give the Paleocons a narrative to explain to themselves their poor fortunes, as though they weren't also competing with the followers of Rand, Mises, Buckley, and various Evangelical leaders.>You can like Strauss and hate the Straussian partisans. It's okay. You will feel liberated. And if that is exactly the *opposite* of what you want, that you're one of those types who believe "it didn't happen, and if it did, it was a good thing", then we already know your motives and can bring this pointless argument to a close.Muh nig, the VAST majority of Straussians are primarily academics who at most end up at a think tank. Rosen, Benardete, Bruell, Bolotin, Pangle, Gourevitch, Lerner, Faulkner, Cropsey, Neumann, the Zuckerts, Anastaplo, Clay, Mahdi, Butterworth. And among the actually most political, Bloom isn't relevant at all and Mansfield is barely relevant compared to Kass, Lowenthal, Diamond, Berns, and Storing; Jaffa's the only figure you named actually important to political Straussians. Who of any of these people have you actually heard of such as to need to be concerned about the nefarious Straussian influence? The only one you should hate on sight is Abram Shulsky.
>>25650456/pol/tards are so fucking dumb I find it hard to believe they're not trolling
>>25649939Nigga what the fuck you talking about?First what is economic leftism?Then how has it been introduced in the US?
>Why don't people read anymore?>NO NOT LIKE THAT
>as though they weren't also competing with the followers of Rand, Mises, Buckley, and various Evangelical leaders.>Jew>Jew>Zionist to fight communism>Zionist by faithWow, I wonder why all these groups found common ground together in the New Right. It sure beats me. I wonder what Straussians offered that was somehow more compatible with this new coalition as opposed to the paleoconservative right.
>>25650791No one tell this anon that James Burnham was originally a Trostkyist. Definitely don't bring up Gottfried.
>>25646432Jews hate Greek (pagan) literature like Homer. They shill stuff that can be construed in defense of monotheism or atheism
>>25650817whoa... Burnham was like... a Trotskyist at one point in his life... holy smokes that fucking destroyed the whole argument Straussians just don't send their best anymore.
>>25650873>the dastardly jews have their fingers in the right>"Burnham was a Trostkyist like Irving Kristol">that doesn't count>"And Gottfried?">...
>>25650726The government spending money on left wing shit. Do I really have to give examples?They have a money printer going 24/7 mostly for that. Scratch around any leftist and you'll see their economic ties to the state.
>>25650425>Jaffa, Bloom, Mansfield,Who's the worst out of the three?
Are you still talking about Strauss? This guy's been talked about for years. Are people still talking about this guy? This creep? That is unbelievable!
>>25650993They're all worse.
>>25649489The only good thing that the catholic church ever did, and it's copying what Babylon was already doing?Okay. All christcucks are retarded, but a broken clock is right twice a day. Them suggesting that we read the Latin and Greek classics will only help make people realize that the bible was lifting ideas from the Greeks.Sounds like a win-win to me. Less christcucks and people are engaging with the texts that have been valued for literally thousands of years, and have shaped the minds of all the greats.
>>25650718>Have you ever actually watched one of his "Conversations" episodes? Bill appreciates but isn't exactly up the level of following his Straussian guests.Yeah he let's Mansfield do 95% of the talking and only chimes in occasionally.Also, how the hell is Mansfield still alive? Isn't he close to 100 years old?
>>25649715Wolfowitz was mentored by Bloom while at Cornell in the 60s. They remained close friends and a character in Ravelstein is even based on Wolf.
>>25646432Eat shit, OP.
>>25651086How is that war criminal still walking freely?
>>25650886It might take a couple brain cells in short supply for you to figure out why paleocons like Burnham and Gottfried.
>>25649370Define "groomed."
>>25647372>>25650384The left has no reason to appeal to intellect. We know there's no real way of measuring "intelligence" and that most appeals to "intelligence" are eugenicist elitism. The left wins by appealing to empathy.
>>25650959>Do I really have to give examples?Yes
>>25646432You're just antiwhite.Antiwhites in any White country are guilty of sedition and should be executed by Western governments.
>>25651371Antiwhites of all races are motivated by envy and jealousy, it's the oldest hatred.
>>25651086Wolfowitz took classes from Bloom *as an undergrad*, and it's a stretch to say they were close friends, precisely because Ravelstein shows it to be pretty one-sided, i.e., Bloom was excited that any of his students were in government at all, and he liked hearing insider gossip. But as a graduate student, Wolfowitz got his phd under Wohlstetter, through whom he made connections with Richard Perle (who himself says Wolfowitz takes after Wohlstetter in his thinking), Scooter Libby, and Zalmay Khalilzad.
>>25651372Oldest hatred is that of man hating women
>>25651067>All christcucks are retarded>"LESS" christcucksThe correct word would've been "fewer" anon ;^)
>>25646432>Athens and Jerusalemimpossible to picture anything but a retarded american saying this irl
>>25649896why didn't you address the fact it's christian churches and ngos behind a lot of brown immigration? if you want a well documented example look up how they "helped" Nepal in one of its earthquakes like 10 years ago but locked help behind the condition that locals had to convert, and then after that was done they brought them to America, it's why there's nepalese of all things in the US
>>25651737Which churches?
>>25651708Neocon dogwhistle
A great number of users are pushing the neocon agenda. You can see it on the "Cadáver Minimal" Blogspot. He is literally posting about the Never Trumper movement. He and his group "esochanners" (esoteric channers) are massively posting the neocon agenda as part of a psyop strategy to destroy Trumpism and replace the alt-right:http://cadaverminimal.blogspot.com/
>>25651773>a Brazilian blog proves...something...about something...
>>25651773>"esochanners" (esoteric channers) are massively posting the neocon agenda as part of a psyop strategy to destroy Trumpism and replace the alt-right:Zoggie Drumpf sabotaged himself and the alt-right was always filled with retards that eat their own. I don't think a Literal Who blogger from the third world with 12 readers is actually doing anything.
>>25646432Claremont Institute is already prepping JD Vance to run in 2028. He will be POTUS.
>>25652062Schizo
>>25651898>alt-right was always filled with retards that eat their owntbf, thats everyone. that just goes to show the dismal state of broadband mental ability. Remember that like half of neocons were apolitical whatsits that by example and disgust got turned away from the left.
The right is embracing the Great Books as a big “fuck you” to cancel culture. That’s it.
>>25652501>10 year stun lock
>>25646432Leftists are starting to talk about taking the vote away from conservatives, saying the right can't be trusted with suffrage.
>>25652649The lefties are on some other authoritarian shit, but this is what you get for lumping liberals with illiberals. No refunds.
>>25646432You are a nigger, by the way. You are letting the tricksy (((jews))) mindraype you. If a kid doesn't 'get it' from just reading the books (that's what they do btw, they read the books. You should try it) they weren't going to get it anyway. No one cares that you got btfo in the Strauss thread.
>>25652649questioning universal sufferage is a positive development
>>25652649If we finally get a philosopher king I will be happy.
