https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2026/11/10/michel-houellebecq-charged-over-comments-about-muslims-in-2022-interview_6777028_7.html
France is a buck broken nation. >but muh civil nationalismlmao
Impossible, France ranks very high in the Freedom Index and the Democracy score.
>>25647432kek it's fucking wraps for france bros
watch him get Brasillach’d
>>25647432anyone got a way to read the whole thing without subscribing?
>>25647543https://archive.is/yVTlGAlways use archive.is to get around these blocks.
>>25647527*economic zone
>>25647548awesome thank you anon
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What a fragile and temporary state we are in.Their entire system is put in danger by people simply speaking their minds. I don't believe it will hold up much longer.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences
>>25647531Missed a chance to be the Brotherhood Against Racism and for Friendship Between Peoples aka BRAP
>>25647531Muslims are bullies just like jews, they're petty and spiteful woman like.
>>25647777GOATed quadsIr would that be GOAT fuckered quads?
>>25647777That would be FRAP. Perhaps "bande"?
>>25647913No, they made the original into MRAP with the same word order, so it would be BRAP. Probably has to do with the word order in French.
>>25647925It is something like Mouvement contre le Racisme et pour l'Amitié entre les Peuples. Brotherhood is Fraternité - F, also for Fail!
How does anyone tolerate living in a country where you can be criminally charged for saying mean things without hanging their politicians, bureaucrats, and policemen from lampposts?
>>25648000>Why won't OTHERS do something about it!!!
>>25648004I live in a country where I will not be criminally charged for saying mean things. It is up to the people living in the countries where that does happen to take action.
>>25647958Yes of course but then I can't post BRAP
Why are muslims so butthurt, politically speaking? We all know their plan is to take over, why do they have to act the victim all the time?
>>25648072They really hate the Jews so the stealthily infiltrate and control from the shadows option is off the table for them. Straight forward confrontation is more of a white people thing. So they go for whatever is left.
>>25648009Hence my suggestion
>>25647530They have gays, blacks, Muslims and abortions. What more could you ask for?
>>25648000imagine a caricature of the most censorious, moralizing wannabe hall monitor American leftist of the last decade and you'll have a rough idea of a considerable segment of the left in France
The trade unions and right-wing groups were on the verge of forming militias during the riots last month before Macron called out the gendarmes to suppress them. France is a powder keg.In a way it's heartening. I legitimately think they'll go boom rather than quietly die, and if they go boom there's a chance they can survive.
>>25647585Oh, it certainly won't last much longer. The only question is what will follow?
>>25648288camps and/or gulags
>>25648288Ursula von der Leyen's head on a stick.
>>25648291Or sharia. Or Russian conquest. Or Chinese conquest. Or a long civil war. Who the fuck knows?>>25648307Not only hers. The whole European ruling class will be ass raped, but that should be part of the end. I meant after that.
>>25647585A few more angry Twitter posts, and it will all fall down.
>>25648072>why do they have to act the victim all the time?because that's a tool they can use. If your "enemy" is a fucking retarded society that allows foreigners to move in (willingly) and act like a victim for oppression points, then silence/punish/imprison those who oppose migration, why wouldn't you?>>25648272were the trade unions really gonna fight for the rights of people who don't work and just drain tax dollars?
>>25648366>were the trade unions really gonna fight for the rights of people who don't work and just drain tax dollars?They were going to fight the rioters. Their official social media accounts directly mentioned forming militias to defend the shops and factories.Also, notice that it's always the spectre of right-wing counter-violence that spooks the modern Western State into quelling the violence. Same thing happened here in the United States in 2020. The leftists rioted with impunity for weeks, with no governors doing anything. Then they moved into Wisconsin, Rittenhouse killed three of them, and within 24 hours the National Guard was called out all across the country to shut the riots down.They're terrified of legitimate right-wing violence.
>>25648464>They were going to fight the rioters. Their official social media accounts directly mentioned forming militias to defend the shops and factories.holy shit you're telling me unions in frogland are actually cool?
>>25648072Because the average westerner welcomes and embraces (perceived and/or imagined with all the 6 million standards) victims as the dominant forces through false consciousness. It indeed makes no sense but making sense has never been a requirement for ideas to spread. Muslims are stupid but not so retarded they don't notice the opportunity, plus the more politically active are coached on those aspects, even today there is not one such action by muzzloids (or the melanin enriched and co) that doesn't have local leftist agitprop activists organizing legal and PR elements.
>>25648472All of the male dominated unions in the US would do the same thing here. You don't know anything about unions other than what your gimpy right wing overlords tell you.
>>25647585AND YOU KNOW WHAT?TRANS FUCKING GENDER CAUSED ALL THIS SHIT
>>25648258Somehow worse than the UK left, incredible.
Islam should be bored from within. They are numerous and aggressive, but also inbred, dumb and servile to authority. Shouldn't be terribly difficult to take it over with entryist tactics.
I sometimes dream of europeans getting their shit together and forcing all migrants into the sea to drown.
Do you think that the right will ever realise that you can't do deportations until you permanently disempower the left?There's no point debating the minutiae of immigration policy if you have no plan to excise the cancerThis is the next wave of right populism, think we'll start to see it ~2032
>>25648632>Has the right ever considered opposing the left??What an incredible moron
>>25648632IMO you need a means of taking power without elections. We saw in Romania that the EU will literally cancel elections if the country doesn't vote its way. They've tried a coup in Poland and Poland's not out of the woods yet.It's an old cliche, but "we're not voting our way out of this" may be true. Not saying things therefore have to come to violence, but you're going to need some type of power that can't be election-rigged out from underneath you. A vector to strength that they can't undermine. Irregular power, to use a phrase an old professor of mine liked.
>>25648682At least every few years there's a country that does this and it goes into the toilet for at least 10 years after, usually at least 20, and then spends the next 75 to 100 years trying to get back to parity while the rest of the world moves ahead.
>>25648680I'm not sure you know what disempowerment actually entails
>>25648749Leftists have no intentions of "moving ahead", they are open about opposing their own nations and wanting their nations to be weaker
>>25648464You won’t do shit. Go back to /pol/
Why do Western liberals/leftists (same thing at this point) simp for mohammedans of all things? There's at least some logic to babysitting blacks due to guilt or whatever, but ruining your civilization for violent, low IQ goatfuckers doesn't make sense even after factoring jews in.
>>25648827You mean you wont.
>>25648829Because ruining their own societies is the point
>>25648833And then what? Sit around in a pile of rubble and revert to dying of starvation and disease? Third worlders aren't going to build or maintain shit, they're gonna wallow in death too and still wont provide for themselves.
>>25648839Congrats you've realised leftism is a death cult that worships entropy
>>25648829 It's basically just a pathological fear of the "racist" label. In the post-war liberal order, that's the ultimate transgression. Since we've effectively killed off the idea of a divine moral law, we killed God and thus the concept of good and evil as ordained by the standards of Chirstendom, and that drive required a new secular equivalent for absolute evil. After the war, Nazism filled that vacuum, as the "Satan" representing absolute Evil in the Manichean sense, since Satan was part of the Christian myth, so now being labeled a racist is the modern version of being cast into the outer darkness.
>>25647432in May 1940, Charles De Gaulle was initially ordered to be arrested by the French High Command for collecting arms and recruits instead of surrendering
>>25648839YesBetter dead than admit they're wrong, ever>misandrist feminist cult led by women acts like abused wife attacking police for attempting to arrest abusive husbandWho woulda thunk?
>>25648827Touched a nerve, did I?
>>25648603hmmmm sounds like youre conspiring to incite against a group of people different than you...
>>25648632thats simply not true.most people are for fair law and order, especially the left.time and education will take care of the right. kek.
>>25648288Their future is 1980s Lebanon.Their future after that, if they are especially lucky, is modern day Lebanon. Lmao
>>25647432Good. No room for hate and racism
>>25648932Too late, racism is cool and subversive now.
>>25647633Sure it does. Otherwise there'd be no point.
>>25648000People don't want to die for any reason when they could have a hot meal after work, entertain themselves however they want, and go to sleep in a soft bed.
>>25648937Subversive in that it turns a functional society into a dysfunctional one? Certainly. Cool? Hardly.
>>25649097The left has spent the last 10 years trying to be cooler than the right by embracing racism. You didn't get the memo?
>>25648932While I am not racist, it is sometimes funny to say racist things and think racist thoughts.
>>25649097Subversive in that it subverts the state-enforced norms and mores that have directly contributed to a dysfunctional society.
>>25648829I don''t fully understand this but as I understand it the problem ultimately comes down to feminine vs masculine distinctions.the feminine wants to be on the consensus right the masculine wants to be rightThe act of observing reality for oneself and stating what is truly real instead of kowtowing to whatever is in vogue with the conformist mass.religions like islam are firmly on the conformist sidepersonal accountability is notI realise this is quite confused but that's how I see the basics of thisit comes from brain differences left = women and children/weakmen, want stuff given to them and to be protectedlibertarian/liberalist = young ascendant men immature brained men, want minimal accountability and to get shit for funright = older established mature brain men, want to protect their family and provide for their future want things to actually workI'm not sure about chrisianity some parts are pretty bad but th whole forgiving minor mistakes and seeking ascendant truths without fear is pretty useful
>>25648829Because they are driven by resentment and oikophobia
this is how you project power, then make real gains. Muslims demonstrated how they can seriously disrupt the public order with the riots, now they're making demands and have examples made of even the most tame critics like Wellbeck. Just like the avalanche of niggercoddling programs started after the Floyd riots in the US. You show the force you can apply, then you come to the civil discussion table.
>>25649240The riots were by students, not Muslims, what the hell are you on about?
>>25649257>studentsadd that one to the list
>>25649257they started relatively peacefully by students, then were picked up with increased violence by organized Muslims.
>>25649240They can riot because they are protected by the system
>>25647432>drag it out in hope of a Le Pen pardon>cigarettes are common in French in prisons>Muslims make up a large percentage of inmates>have to petition for healthcare in prisonHe'll be alright or suicide is easier than euthanasia.
>>25649102>trying to be cooler than the right by embracing racismThey're hurled along by the same cultural flow as most of the rest of us. Garbage in, garbage out, as always, eternally.
I’m so tired of muslims and other brown races multiplying in my country. Everything is going to shit because of it. Streets are noticeably dirtier, you’re not safe outside anymore, and civic sense has disappeared.The worst thing is most people here don’t seem to acknowledge this and when they do they say “oh but we cannot do anything about it”.
>>25649405Oh and they’re an immense burden on our social system because they all get gibs and government subsidies in every single economic transaction.
>>25647432If I looked like that, I'd also blame Muslims.
>Muslims simply win by breeding like rats on western countries.Damn, So this is how human progress ends? All that for nothing.t.thirdie
>>25647432Should learn from Germany and import shitton of pajeets to counteract the muslims.
>>25649430Demographics are destiny
>>25649438And add Ukrainians to the mix
>>25649405>>25649430This is what you get for winning WWIIAt least you don't speak German
>>25647432KWAB
>>25649197gay
>>25649405can't blame them, they still have basic good instincts in them, it's you own countrymen who are guilt-ridden psychological raped serfs who got no taste for all noble instincts and worse shrink from them, a ruined form of life
>>25648601>You don't know anything about unions other than what your gimpy right wing overlords tell you.You're right but it's not my "right wing overlords" telling me anything about them, because no really is that isn't heavily biased. If you have any good recommendations for me to learn about American unions I'd love to read them anon. Good for the dockworkers union winning a pay raise two years ago, but I don't really sympathize with a union whose leader is a fat dago slob wearing a gold chain and driving a Bentley. Can you remind me who the right wing overlord was that quashed the railway workers strike a few years ago by forcing a contract on them? Why'd the dockworkers get to strike but not the railway workers?
Living in modern day Europe feels like a fever dream. It’s illegal to protest your own replacement and the majority don’t even care that it’s happening (and what will come after).
>>25649807>and the majority don’t even care that it’s happeningThey'll care, but only when it's too late. Hope everyone is prepared for a mixture of Eurabia, Eurafrica, and Eurindia. Don't even get me started on the US and Canada.
>>25649831You cannot have a direct window into the rest of the world and be this shortsighted. Everywhere there's ethnic conflict where at least one side is brutalized and killed. Lebanon is an excellent example of what awaits the people who are right now spending their time and resources on useless shit like traveling, games and adopting furbabies while the enemy is busy organising our demise. I refuse to accept people can be this fucking naive. They are even defending it by the way. You’ll never hear a political opinion from them except when its one that hurts their own ethnic interests like defending abortion or “racism bad!” No other people in the world is altruistic to others to the point that it hurts their own, let alone completely relinquishes our autonomy and wealth to groups of people who actively hate us.
>>25649831There's a book called Eurabia I recall seeing.
>>25648829The West deserves to be flooded with refugees from the Middle East and South Asia as revenge for their imperialist interventionism and support for the zionist entityhttps://youtu.be/0kpeeaSghPE
>>25648829in france they get guilt tripped over colonialism in algeria
>>25648829Read <pic attached>. It's not all that well-written (the guy isn't a writer; it's clunky and repetitive) but it hits the nail on the head and explains, basically, everything. It's kinda depressing how simple it is and how well it fits the data.tl;dr White liberals are instinctive traitors who pursue a strategy of betraying their own in-group at every turn.
>>25649853>No other people in the world is altruistic to others
>>25650200>>25650215So you admit you just want revengeWhy should my generation be guilty for actions of people in the past?
>>25650219Because (you) still benefit from colonialism
>>25650219Those aren't sincere posts you retard.
>>25650200>Mohammed wasn't imperialist
>>25650227My country never had any colonies yet is forced to take migrants
>>25650228Go ask anyone from the global south what they think about the “”working class”” of the first world if you want more sincere opinions
Is it so hard to just not be openly Islamophobic? Nobody is stopping you from having bigoted opinions or sharing them privately with friends, but publishing entire Islamophobic novels puts communities at risks.
>>25650215I know these gay little "info" pics are always completely false baitposts but it's fun seeing the outrageous claims.>630k deaths in AustraliaNo one is capable of calculating the Aboriginal deaths because they had zero records of their populations. The last I saw the claims ranged from 300k-3 million that no one will ever be able to verify.>19 million African American abortionswhoa what kind of chud made this? It's a woman's body and therefore her choice you fucking incel.
>>25650267>puts communities at risks.same communities that run trucks into crowds of people who don't belong to their communities btw.
>>25648472>>25648601Most western labor unions are fascist. Higher wages built on the genocide and looting of the Global South. Socialism for me not for thee.
>>25647432All I learn from threads like these is that we should exterminate all thirdies
>>25650284Women's rights are western imperialist babble
>>25650246Your country “didn’t have colonies” because it got enough profits from just collaborating and trading with colonial powers
>>25650252Just got back from the group call and what they said was "We love Finding Nemo and Frozen so much that we have forgiven America entirely."
>>25650239Arab conquests from centuries ago are just like European colonialism that “ended” in the 1970s. I am very intelligent.
>>25650329don't you have a sister to honor kill o algo?
>>25648288civil war and a bunch of chaos. probably ww3 in europe again and then God knows what. more people are just pushed to the right because simply not glazing muslims 24/7 gets you labelled as an SS officer nowadays. its strange considering how leftists and atheists in the 2000s were rightfully very anti-islam and saw it as a hyper conservative medievalist patriarchal religion, much more so than christianity.
>>25650305So… every country profited from it? Then why are you not seething at the Africans or Arabs selling the slaves? Is it because you know they’ll tell you to fuck off + they’re poor themselves?
>>25650267Don't worry, you'll be a bigot too. Sooner than you'd think.
>>25650267>stop talking about cancer you cancerophobe
>>25650212I see liberals as perpetual juveniles they want no accountability.
Muslims are so disgusting that if it were anyone else than kikes killing them in Gaza, I would cheer it on.
>>25650484they're basically the same people very similar ideologies
>>25648288France is clearly divided by those who are either disgusted by the excesses of liberalism and globalization (Le Pen/Zemmour), those who fully embrace it (Melenchon/LFI/left), those who only care about maximizing shekels (Macronists), and those who want to burn everything to the ground (the "urban youths"). Guess the same across the West really.
>>25650513France’s youth at this point is at least 50% non-French. It’s like a fever dream. I am certain 70 to 80% of births are nonwhites too.
>>25650513>>25650513The "Le Pen as savior" meme is just so dated. It really only exists in the minds of Anglos who think she is just a clone of her father. She is not. The whole thing about the name change from Front National to the Rassemblement National was symbolically representing her purging the actual nationalist elements to make the party "safe" for the establishment and reassure Muslims she won't actually kick them out. She is basically an employee of oligarchs like Bolloré at this point. It's going to be Meloni 2.0.
>>25650562it can't be that bad...right?>>25650564sure, but she attracts a large base nevertheless, and immigration/identity is at the top of mind for her voters
>>25650564I have a question for the historically literate on this topic: how come leaders like Hitler and Stalin managed to come to power whereas every leader in the West (especially Europe) are pawns doing the bidding of international finance?
>>25650567>>25650567If she actually takes it, it's only because Melenchon makes it to the second round, not because of an "awakening". If the center goes to the second round it will be the same old cordon sanitaire nonsense. The Macronists and Sarkozyists will pivot to her as the lesser of two evils and she will compromise with them. She'll end up governing as a rational conservative who plays nice with the EU. Look at how she walked back Frexit years ago. That's literally why Philippot split off to start his own silly party. She isn't saving anything.
>>25650568And we can go back further to the 19th century and see even more examples of non-pozzed leadeds
>>25650567Look up the statistics. It’s terrible.Muslims celebrate this by the way. They love to make posts on instagram about Muhammad being the most popular boy name in European capitals. In between posting about Gaza, of course.
>>25650568>every leader in the West (especially Europe) are pawns doing the bidding of international finance?that's how they got to be the leaders, by being the pawns of international finance.
>>25650568Because jews completely took over the west now
>>25650572muslims call every boy mohammedthe only way out of this mess involves a lot of bullets
>>25650611>>25650609So why was it different in the past? How does one unfuck this state of affairs?
>>25650620>why was it different in the pastThere wasn't mass globalization on the same scale yet>How does one unfuck this state of affairsAnother Austria painter
>>25650625What prevents globohomo from assassinating the neopainter?
>>25650620probably a matter of incentives within people close to the military, in many ways that which makes the elites what they are is that they are always looking to get ahead, that also means, if the times are right(e.g high instability), local elites might smell the occasion to rise to the top riding favorable winds so to speak i.e change can come not even from people who actually believe in the cause, just well positioned opportunists
You lost. Bigly.
>>25650638Gaza status?
>>25650640pancaked
>>25650640>>25650668Won’t change the fact that more Arab immigrants are on their way to Europe right now
The state of the West is profoundly distressing. We are systematically dismantling the very intellectual scaffolding which we pride ourselves upon - freedom, liberty, reason, truth, dissent, the dialectic and so on - under the guise of preserving them. In a perverse irony, the pursuit of liberal ideals has devolved into a mechanism for their destruction. There is a perverse, almost cruel irony in the fact that the aggressive pursuit of liberal ideals has devolved into the primary mechanism for their erasure.In the liberal zeal to eradicate provincial ignorance and intolerance, the liberal ruling bureaucracy have succumbed to a paradoxical hysteria, employing authoritarian repression to safeguard their ideological illusion. Rather than allowing the marketplace of ideas to function with its inherent volatility and skepticism towards the prevailing state narrative, they have opted for repression. After decades of championing skepticism and open discourse, we are now discarding even these virtues in a desperate attempt to insulate the very liberalism they were designed to sustain in the face of the church, the intolerant bigotry of the white supremacist imperialist fascist and what not. By enforcing a rigid orthodoxy of "acceptable" speech, we have transitioned from a culture of open inquiry to one of administrative control, mirroring the clinical efficiency of a Stasi-esque police state in its pursuit of ideological conformity. In the rush to purge the "intolerant," liberals have pivoted toward the very authoritarianism they claim to oppose. By prioritizing the illusion of a "safe" discourse over the rigorous friction of intellectual exchange, we have entered a period where the pursuit of an multicultural inclusive society effectively kills the intellectual vitality required to make such a society viable and sustainable.
This is fair. Fascists and racists are threatening to tear apart our democracy with their divisiveness.We need to accept that total free speech is for children. People need to be held accountable for inflammatory dangerous words.
when every post is bait then bait loses all its appeal
>>25650267True, Euros should have just taken Ottoman cock up their ass till the heat death of the universe.
>>25650750It just shows that fascists using other names are already in control.Zionists is another name
>>25648839>Sit around in a pile of rubble and revert to dying of starvation and diseasethey just have to steal enough to be the last to die of starvation and disease
>>25648005>I live in a country where I will not be criminally charged for saying mean things. It is up to the people living in the countries where that does happen to take action.What action did you take when they started criminally charging your people for saying mean things?
Shit like this keep happening and they want to tell you Russia is the biggest threat to Europe
>>25647432Islamophobia should be punishable by death in my opinion.
>>25651196>You are mean to my pedophile religion so you must be killed o algoDamn, when you put it like that, it really makes me sympathetic to the plight of muslims
>>25651137Oh but it's not happening. It's Russian bad actors trying to destabilise our tolerant European values via disinformation.
>>25651294How is it disinformation when the data about demographic makeup comes from the official government census?
>>25651196>>25651196oh shut the fuck up you fucking faggot cunts
>>25651196inshalla brother, death to infidels!
>>25651296You lost
>>25651196topkek
>>25650750>People need to be held accountable for inflammatory dangerous words.does this include people whose religion tells them to murder nonbelievers?>>25651295he's being facetious anon. Every "right-wing" political opinion is just part of a Russian disinfo campaign/yandex bot.
>>25647633What does it mean then?
