How do I shake off the notion that all sex is rape? I want to go back to lobotomized normiecattle matrix and not notice this but I cannot ignore this revelation.
Explain melena morgan.
Have sex
>>25648984Who
https://youtu.be/vjetHZtehNQ?is=cKZ4BPmhvb2YLs3a
>>25649001Look her up and ella hollywood while you are at it. There, notion dismissed.
>>25649026>dude porn lmao
>>25649012Many fat people were based tho
>>25648946this implies that women are a different species.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FgxacX72snA&ra=m
>>25648946>>25649012The bottomlessly self-pitying face of a malignant, lying narcissist.Look up mugshots of serial killers and photos of clinical psychopaths and the facial expression is exactly the same. You don't hate these freaks and their feminisation of society anywhere near as much as you should
>>25648946Try having sex one time.
>>25648946Oh well. More pussy for the rest of us, I guess.
>>25648946>all sex is rape>looks inside>author is fat ugly lesbian no one would be happy to fuckOP, you need to either be a woman or retarded to believe anything Dworkin talks about
>>25648946>all sex is rape>even the times when you explicitly consent to it This may be the most retarded postion ever.
>>25648946My gf loves rapeplay so maybe just don't be a fag
>>25648946Stop falling for dumb word games where some midwit redefines words away from the standard definition in order to justify a utterly retarded argument that is completely irrational, illogical, and invalid. Rape has a definition. Having sex with someone who is also willing to have sex is not rape by definition.
Suppose all sex is in fact rape. What if rape isn't actually a bad thing?
>>25648946>How do I shake off the notion that all sex is rape?Having sex with a woman who loves you is generally considered a pretty good place to start; good luck.
>>25648946you don't. you just see that as a good thing and proceed from there.
>all sex is rapeShe didn't actually say this, right?I dislike going to bat for any feminist but that has to be a smear. It would be beneath human intelligence to believe that
Sex proper might not always be rape, but all the kinds of sodomy are.
>>25648946Many feminists follow the same pattern of:>I'm a miserable, ugly, unfuckable wretch>happy, non-brainwashed women are content and pleased with their role in society and enjoy sex as well as the natural dignity afforded to them>This makes me resentful and I will dedicate my life to making everyone as miserable as I am.
>>25648946God loves rape and hates consent. God is destroying this nation due to the lack of rape here
>>25651354Her defenders will attempt to pull a motte and bailey by claiming she didn't say the EXACT SPECIFIC words "all sex is rape", however you'd have to be a literal drooling retard to think that's not the argument she's making
>>25650926>My gf loves rapeplaybecause when the time comes, she can tell the cops you raped her
>>25651354IIRC she (or her defenders) tried to sanewash her later by saying that's not what she meant
>>25651410its simple> married sex is rape because the man is in a position of authority and has a right to have sex with with the woman> transactional sex is consensualfeminists reject the concept of marriage
The irony of Dworkin and the people who take her seriously in the modern day, typically of an atheistic/Marxist bend, is that none of them seem to be able to extend that secular thinking to a realist assessment of human biology. Homo sapiens is an ape with a manifold of adaptations for pursuit hunting and endurance running. Even if you denounce evolution, the animal as it stands, when in a healthy condition, is still possessed of these adaptations. Can still demonstrate there application in the field. Ethology tells us how wrong it is to try and determine an animals natural character through observations of the animal in a lab setting. Dworkin's behavior is that of a human's in a lab setting. No human living naturally could ever look the way she did. To that end, none of her conclusions apply to a condition of health and merit, but rather, all of sickness and depravity.Tl;dr Every. Single. Fucking. Time. Picrel
>>25651377Well she wouldn't be wrong.
>>25648946You misunderstood the book. Though I suspect you didn't actually read it.
>>25652425What is the correct understanding?
>>25648946Not even feminists take Dworkin seriously. No idea why you would.
>>25652431If feminists don't like something, that something must be correct
>>25652430It's an entire book my guy. At least read the wiki.>Thesis>In Intercourse, Dworkin extended her earlier analysis of pornography to a discussion of heterosexual intercourse itself. In works such as Woman Hating (1974) and Pornography: Men Possessing Women (1981), Dworkin argued that pornography (this includes erotic literature) in patriarchal societies consistently eroticized women's sexual subordination to men and often overt acts of exploitation or violence. In Intercourse, she went on to argue that that sort of sexual subordination was central to men's and women's experiences of sexual intercourse in a male supremacist society and reinforced throughout mainstream culture, including not only pornography but also classic works of male-centric literature.>Extensively discussing works such as The Kreutzer Sonata (1889), Madame Bovary (1856), and Dracula (1897), and citing religious texts, legal commentary, and pornography, Dworkin argued that the depictions of intercourse in mainstream art and culture consistently emphasized heterosexual intercourse as the only or the most genuine form of "real" sex; that they portrayed intercourse in violent or invasive terms; that they portrayed the violence or invasiveness as central to its eroticism; and that they often united it with male contempt for, revulsion towards, or even murder of the "carnal" woman. She argued that this kind of depiction enforced a male-centric and coercive view of sexuality and that, when the cultural attitudes combine with the material conditions of women's lives in a sexist society, the experience of heterosexual intercourse itself becomes a central part of men's subordination of women, experienced as a form of "occupation"[2] that is nevertheless expected to be pleasurable for women and to define their very status as women.>In the 1998 book, Without Apology: Andrea Dworkin's Art and Politics, in chapter 6, titled "Intercourse: An Institution of Male Power", author Cindy Jenefsky states, "As in her analysis of pornography's sexual subordination, the key to understanding Dworkin's analysis of sexual intercourse rests on recognizing how she integrates the individual act of sexual intercourse within its larger social context. She produces a materialist analysis that examines sexual intercourse as an institutionalized practice."[3]
>>25652458>>25652430>Controversy>It is frequently claimed by Dworkin's critics, citing Intercourse, that she wrote, "All heterosexual intercourse is rape." Supporters point out that this statement is not found in the book. Furthermore, the comparisons of intercourse to "occupation", "possession", "collaboration", etc. are made in the context of discussions of the way in which intercourse is depicted in "the discourse of male truth—literature, science, philosophy, pornography",[4] and the enforcement of those terms through men's social power over women.>Dworkin's rejection of the interpretation that "all heterosexual intercourse is rape" is regarded by some observers as proof that such an interpretation is a grave misunderstanding or misrepresentation of her work.[5] Her followers cite an interview with editor, critic, and writer Michael Moorcock for the New Statesman & Society, in which Dworkin claimed, "In Intercourse I decided to approach the subject as a social practice, material reality. This may be my history, but I think the social explanation of the 'all sex is rape' slander is different and probably simple. Most men and a good number of women experience sexual pleasure in inequality. Since the paradigm for sex has been one of conquest, possession, and violation, I think many men believe they need an unfair advantage, which at its extreme would be called rape. I don't think they need it. I think both intercourse and sexual pleasure can and will survive equality."[6]>Journalist Cathy Young wrote that she found Dworkin's explanation hard to square with what Young described as Dworkin's frequent willingness to criticize ordinary heterosexual practices as violent or coercive. Young wrote, "whatever her defenders say, Dworkin was anti-sex."[7]>Following Dworkin's death in 2005, Katharine Viner interviewed Dworkin's friend, art critic, writer, and painter John Berger. The article, published in The Guardian, was titled "'She Never Hated Men'":>John Berger once called Dworkin 'the most misrepresented writer in the western world'. She has always been seen as the woman who said that all men are rapists, and that all sex is rape. In fact, she said neither of these things. Here's what she told me in 1997: 'If you believe that what people call normal sex is an act of dominance, where a man desires a woman so much that he will use force against her to express his desire, if you believe that's romantic, that's the truth about sexual desire, then if someone denounces force in sex it sounds like they're denouncing sex.'[8]
>>25652458>>25652462>Shamelessly pasting the Wikipedia summarySo you haven't read the book either?
>>25652462>I think both intercourse and sexual pleasure can and will survive equalityHow will it survive it if women keep selecting for rapist-coded men?
This fat psychotic cunt gets far too much attention on /lit/.
>>25652469Sorry dawg I'm not going to type out a summary of a 300 page book of theory for you. You all can feed yourselves.
>>25648946Well son, a mind is kinda like a kitten. You can't unfuck a kitten.
>>25652480How can you have egalitarian sex if the male element is active while the female element is passive? It's literally impossible
>>25650938>Women are peopleYou're fucking an object.
>>25652492>How can you have egalitarian sexFACE2FACEHEART2HEARTCOCK2COCKWITH FULL FIDELITY.This has been a message from the Man2Man Alliance.
I have become too afraid to smile at women because I'm afraid they'll interpret it as me being attracted to them
>>25652539Their menstruations attract bears? Can you fight off a bear? Or would the bear fuck you?
>>25652480>it's not my fault to educate you sweatyYou're like the Platonic form of the half-educated feminist midwit.Just admit you don't know what you're talking about anymore than the anon you're responding to is. Drop the ego.
>>25653089>fault*responsibility
>>25648946>How do I shake off the notion that all sex is rape?hard not to hate fuck the bitch after dealing with her shit, stop being a low test faggot
>>25652458>>25652462Ironically her musings on sexual domination apply perfectly to the fantasy literature-cum-porno that so many women gravitate towards. I think it's unfair, or at least falling short of a full thesis, to blame the patriarchy for this dynamic.
>>25649121>>25648946By the way she was a zionist! Really makes you think :)
>>25653388Women are the primary upholders and beneficiaries of patriarchy
>>25648946>>25649012The sheer hatred I've seen directed to Dworkin made me curious about her, and once I actually read her I realized that 90% of what I had heard of her was just hysteria masculinaIt's like how women assume that Jordan Peterson is the ultimate woman-hating Chud-overlord using a few out of context quotes and never actually read him People just like having philosophers who are boogeymen
>>25652476Women don't select rapist men, rapist men select women That's kind of the idea of being a rapist man If the woman selects him he is by definition not a rapist
>>25653407Women prefer to live in convents and the Church is male-controlled
>>25648946This is why virgin women like Athena and Mary are worshiped in patriarchical religions. Because to an extent all sex is a violation and unworthy of a holy person
>>25650926This is a BPD tell
>>25652516Are children objects too? Not even animals are objects, only stones are.
>>25654462Venus, Astarte, etc were worshipped and had husbands in their lore
>>25654561And they were so disrespected that they contributed to the spread of Islam and Christianity>Hurr Durr your goddess is a whore and ours is a virgin >>25654559You are arguing with a literal stray man
>>25652476Dworkin seemed to believe that women would no longer behave that way when the media and society they lived in did not condition them to do soIt's a classic tabula rasa argument and like all the rest it has not survived the internet age
