>>25649771
Yup. Definitely an Americlap.

>>25649771
Not really
We are not ants.
Fights are not war

>>25649850
Incidents of tribal violence between chimp troops are well documented

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>>25649878
>Incidents of tribal violence between chimp troops are well documented

>>25649878
>Because we are the superior chimp race! Praise Jesus!

Why am I, the secular leftist, the moral and spiritual superior of this wave of chuddite New Right?

>>25649771
The judge is quoting Heraclitus fyi, it’s not corncobs idea.

>>25649976
That's so incredibly funny that you think the doxx brigade is morally or spiritually superior to anyone.

>>25650040
>the doxx brigade
I don't know what that is.
Wait. You think we all share a single brain and dogma? Why are rightwingers so fucking stupid? No. Women or blacks or jews or all these "left" ideologies are not the same thing, they don't all conform to one way. Why don't you know this yet? I assume you aren't 11, right?

>>25650040
>dodges the question

>>25650067
If you don't know then why are you upset?

>>25650069
By directly confronting it. True. Get fucked.

>>25650076
You misspelled "Confirming" chudcicle

>>25650034
This polemos is not just between the boys of one side of the field and the others across the pond, but rather there are two in that tension from before all things whose stretching nut to bridge keeps the world humming

>>25650089
Yeah, they also gaslight. True.

does this dime a dozen leftist think his posts did anything other than confirm the stereotype?

My favorite part is when I goon I come across Denims and other leftist df its like whats going on fellas doesn't she deserve to have her sexual autonomy over her body? Not very moral or virtuous actually.

>still dodges

>>25649834
metal as fuck

>>25650145
Don't feel bad we can cyberstalk an underage kid of a streamer you dont like. That'll be so cool and funny.

Is this an actual quote from McCarthy? It’s from 40k I think

>still

>>25649976
That’s quite a leap to project a bunch of your own boogeymen on me just because I except the violence inherent in nature and you choose not to. You sound kind of mentally ill, at the very least politics has poisoned your mind.

>>25650183
Exceptional!

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>>25649771
>there can be only one
or maybe it's a culturally-sanctioned mental illness
https://rumble.com/v4xfi6z-who-is-the-scorpion.html?e9s=src_v1_cbl%2Csrc_v1_ucp_a

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>>25650183
>He didn't read it or understand it if he did.
Let us go over it.
>"I except the violence inherent in nature"
You are a Darwinian, but what's worse, a Darwinian misunderstander and know only that you believe in Spencer's line about might making right. You have fallen so far from Jesus and general morality. Moral relativity may plague all manner of modern men, but I find it to lead oneself to inhumanity.
Why are you here, on /lit/? To troll people, or are you on a journey for knowledge? Read Dostoyevsky or something.

>>25650328
I’m on /lit/ to talk about literature, this type of thread tends to bring out the worst in this board and in myself as well. By that I mean that I am shitting out incredibly low effort posts as quickly as possible during toilet breaks. You on the other hand are battling it out with all types of your own demons that have fuck all to do with me or the fact that war and violence is very clearly an inherent part of the human experience and always has been since the dawn of time.

>>25650411
War is an intensified fight. Among animals it is for resources. Among humans there is no need to fight over that as there is plenty.
Inhumanity is encouraged by the worst of the inhuman. We call them evil. Great manipulators, liars, who breed inhumanity into us for their profits. Human nature is allowed a disagreement, a fight, but wars are evil and we can avoid them.
So for the case of moral relativity, there may be great gray areas, but there are blacks and whites in there too.

>there are plenty of resources there is no need to fight
>anyways step one to manifesting my ideology is a bloodbath

>>25650458
Humans fight for all sorts of reasons other than resources. We also do not now, nor have we ever, lived in a world of plenty. There has always been resource scarcity, and it’s possible there always will be due to these same deeply ingrained human traits like greed that you appear to believe only exist in “the manipulators” or whatever and not all of us.

>>25650472
It was never about the resources, I need to kill that bastard because father preferred his offering

>>25649771
False. The kingdom of God is within you. Getting so incredibly butthurt fearful or greedy that you want to kill multiple people is unnatural.

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>>25650472
kek this

>>25650530
I guess Old Testament Yahweh is unnatural, then.

>>25650540
The Ancient of Baits

>>25650458
>>25650328
i truly mean no disrespect, as i think most reading this thread will intuit the meaning of your posts, but they unironically read like an LLM trained exclusively on mid 20th century anglo-american fiction predictively selecting words based purely on aesthetics to the distinct exclusion of truth. the way you manage to string together fairly pithy sentences which nevertheless result in posts that are, quite simply, nauseatingly turgid, warrants reflection

if your intention was to get someone to criticize this and thereby cormac, bravo. excellent bait

>>25650530
We were created in God’s image and we have His kingdom inside of us, but we were also born into a fallen world. God is silent and sin is everywhere. Thats why there’s value in scripture, learning, and wisdom.

>“The life of an individual is a constant struggle, and not merely a metaphorical one against want or boredom, but also an actual struggle against other people. He discovers adversaries everywhere, lives in continual conflict and dies with sword in hand.”

>>25649850
>>25649976
I wanted to let you know that you are a gay retard and that nothing you had to say here made any discernible sense. In fact, it comes off as retarded bot speak. Shame because this could have been an interesting discussion.

>>25650547
>>25650565
The duality of man

>>25650543
The Modernity of Copes

>>25650595
O Anon, have you failed to discern my jest? For the Ancient of Days, seated on His lofty throne encircled by dread Seraphim, I have exchanged the Ancient of Baits, the exalted words fit to shake every man to the foundation and fill the house with argumentation of a most derisive variety.

>>25649773
>lets Americans live rent free in his head
Why are you so weak?

>>25650565
>He can't make sense of it
Subtlety of thought is lost on you unfortunately.

>>25650547
Too much brevity. You need a full essay length on the simple truth that man is not an animal. Amazing.

>>25650490
Most evil of this world and all our known history is because of money/power. I point it out as often as I can. If these things (money and state) were removed mankind would wrestle over just a handful of things far more manageable.
>Plenty
In times past regions would suffer some famines, it's true. But this modern age there is only an over-glut, but of course to satisfy the wealth of a few much of that must be wasted and people made to feel the pinch of scarcity. Capitalism requires homelessness in order to put the fear into the lower classes on the verge of that calamity.
Greed is an institutional religion (has been for all recorded history, since the use of money) but the most harm is done by the wealthiest's greed

>>25650677
The Poast-modernity of Copes

War, war never changes.

- Voltaire

>>25650034
But seeing war as the conclusion to Wittgenstein's language game was Corncob's idea. Heraclitus was aiming for an aphorism that reflected his then greek society

>>25650899
>seeing war as the conclusion to Wittgenstein's language game was Corncob's idea
NTA but can you go into more detail? Sounds very cool.

>>25649850
“War is nothing but a duel on a larger scale”
-Clausewitz

>>25649771
Life is just suffering. I think people are lying when they say there's more to life. I'm not seeing where the "pleasure" is. It seems to me that what people call "pleasure" actually just means "coping" with the suffering. I do things that I enjoy somewhat, but I'm always aware I'm doing it to distract from the suffering, the boring slog of existing in the human flesh prison.

>>25650881
War, War has changed

-Richelieu

>>25650876
>Most evil of this world and all our known history is because of money/power. I point it out as often as I can. If these things (money and state) were removed mankind would wrestle over just a handful of things far more manageable.

That sounds absurdly reductionist. It reduces all of the motivations for human conflict to “greed for money/power”. Probably 99% of the soldiers in all of the armies of history fought and died for little or nothing, they didn’t get a share in the wealth and power. They always had to be motivated by something too. This is why it’s a bad idea to constantly view the world through ideology goggles, because when you do you only see what the ideology goggles can show you and you end up missing out on the richer tapestry of complex motivations and emotions that gird all organized large scale human behavior. Pride, envy, the slow building up of grievances that often beget a war, the many ideological and religious differences that have so often been the primary drivers of war, etc etc etc

Likely nothing caused more bloodshed in the history of Europe than the schism between Protestants and Catholics. You might argue that was all about “money and power” and I would posit that an equally but oppositely polarized ideologue would probably see “the jews” behind it all and that you’d both be wrong.

>In times past regions would suffer some famines, it's true. But this modern age there is only an over-glut, but of course to satisfy the wealth of a few much of that must be wasted and people made to feel the pinch of scarcity. Capitalism requires homelessness in order to put the fear into the lower classes on the verge of that calamity.

You actually think we already live in a post-scarcity society? You think the streets will sweep themselves, the crops will grow themselves, the livestock will raise, slaughter, and then butcher and package itself? This economic order has been so good to you that you apparently think you live in a land of milk and honey already and that there’s a handful of monopoly men hoarding all the money and if it wasn’t for them we could all have mansions. That’s not how the economy works though, of course.

>Greed is an institutional religion (has been for all recorded history, since the use of money) but the most harm is done by the wealthiest's greed

That’s a cop out, it’s just a feel good lie. It’s people with an agenda trying to use you and point your frustrations at the target of their choosing. The 99% are just that, the vast majority. If the vast majority of people were truly good people who cared for one another then we wouldn’t live in this miserable world no matter how evil the 1% was.

>>25650143
Sexuals are so weird. You people disgust me.

>>25650963
life is a continuous cycle of “its so over” and “we are so back”. One days cope becomes the next days truth just as quickly as one days truth becomes the next days excuse.

>>25650876
>is because of money/power
Those are two completely different things. That's like saying most murders happen "because of love/ hate."
Removing the existence of money and state is far harder than finding a tolerable way to coexist, which we have already managed to do at various times.
Anyways, you're also wrong about that. Do animals murder for money and power? No and neither do most people.
Also the reason for strife in the world is the existence of evil and unreasonable people like you. Your type has caused so much calamity in so little time that humanity would be best served by finding a cure or an extermination for that sort immediately.

>>25650965
>Probably 99% of the soldiers in all of the armies of history fought and died for little or nothing
The soldier, or more accurately, the man that the state turned into a toy soldier, does not want to fight wars. Money buys his ass as cannon fodder. Of course they don't get a share of the wealth. I don't see why you've confused yourself here.

>the schism between Protestants and Catholics
That was a war more over power, plainly. The power of the Roman Imperial Church has always been a strict control mechanism that loathed all who dared to think even slightly differently. Cutting down devout Christians was nothing new to them. Power and control was their chief doctrine.

>Post-scarcity Vs. Plenty
The facts are all there. We produce enough food and have enough houses, and produce enough trainable minds to cope through any natural disaster. But the system is geared only for maximum profits, not maximum housed, elimination of hunger, or even actual healthcare. Just profits. Lots of well intentioned people, but profits MUST be obeyed. The Great God Mammon will not be refused.
>That's a cop out
Your "true good people" is a cop out. As I said above, all people have been made, FORCED, to obey Mammon. Lift that horrible religion off society and people would most definitely become "good people" by at least a little bit. You can't deny that.

>>25651007
State-capitalism look like two separate things, but they depend on each other. Remove one and the other recreates it. The Protestant Reformation may have been an ideological dispute more about power, but there was to a lesser extent the economic dimension to it too.
>Comparing it to love and hate
No, that's a very poor comparison.
>Animal analogies
We aren't animals. You speak of the animal kingdom's method for food harvesting not the complexities of human existence.
>You're unreasonable
I am one of the few people in this world who is reasonable. You speak like an economics student. A devotee of of your god making weak excuses.
>Your type cause the problems
See? You're going to pull out that Liberal's black book of "Communist" deaths. The Liberal/capitalist/statist tally is 10X higher. And here we are, prepping for another walloping sacrificial slaughter. Your system fails every time it's tried.

>>25650933
Still waiting for the response.

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Don't talk to me about nature unless you've experienced it frequently for a long period of time. Otherwise your opinion only reflects fundamental ignorance.

>>25652000
>>25652000
>The soldier, or more accurately, the man that the state turned into a toy soldier, does not want to fight wars. Money buys his ass as cannon fodder. Of course they don't get a share of the wealth. I don't see why you've confused yourself here.

You don’t know why I’ve “confused myself” by not having a laughably simplistic view of reality and human behavior? You live in a child’s fantasy where the big bad rich man constantly tricks all the poor little peace loving muppets to go do literally all of the actual hand to hand fighting, killing, raping, and murdering despite their comically gentle nature just to satisfy his singular greed. It’s a fairy tale. Wages and loot alone are not enough to motivate an army, and even if they were the soldiers wages wouldn’t do anything to energize the larger population’s will to fight it to begin with. No ruler could raise an army from a population that didn’t want to fight.

Not always, but sometimes war is just something that men just like to do. Sorry, but it’s true. Sometimes people just want war. Think about the average young male mindset and why so many boys dream of becoming soldiers and how often once they reach legal adulthood they really do still join the military even though we live in an enlightened modern age. Something about war just appeals to the male psyche and likely always will. It’s up to us to recognize that and face it, not hide behind fantasies about why they do it.

>That was a war more over power, plainly.

I expected you to say as much, which is why I attempted to preempt it. That clearly had little effect.

>The power of the Roman Imperial Church has always been a strict control mechanism that loathed all who dared to think even slightly differently. Cutting down devout Christians was nothing new to them. Power and control was their chief doctrine.

Wasn’t expecting you to take sides though. I suppose it makes sense that since you needed to fit yet another incredibly complex clash of history into your simplistic “imperialist oppressors” narrative. Very small minded stuff, at this point in the discussion I now begin to feel as though this is a waste of my time and I’m talking to someone who doesn’t deserve to be treated like a reasonable adult. Hopefully you won’t start babbling about schizo shit and demons soon.

>The Great God Mammon will not be refused.
>Your "true good people" is a cop out. As I said above, all people have been made, FORCED, to obey Mammon. Lift that horrible religion off society and people would most definitely become "good people" by at least a little bit. You can't deny that.

Oof and there it is. Off the rails and right into unmedicated psychotic land. Maybe get your mental health together before you speak like this to other people, especially on this board. I’ll probably not waste any more time or effort on you, unless you post something worth any. You’d be better served back in /pol/ anyway

>>25650967
I'll goon to that!

>>25652091
>I've experienced nature
you can't know anything you are experiencing is real and therefore all your "experiences" can't be trusted.

I remember I saw a documentary film about the Korean War, and one of veterans interviewed therein, when asked about why he and his buddies signed up for the army, said: We wanted to pick up a gun, point it at someone, pull the trigger, and watch him drop.

>>25652167
Thanks Kant, now go be dead

>>25652182
Kant would have believed it, just that it was colored by your rose tinted glasses.

>>25650034
The Heraclitus quote isn’t necessarily about literal wars if you’re being serious. It’s about how change and discord are the cornerstones of the cosmos and how true peace is impossible - sort of like Proto-Hegel almost in that regard. Two things simultaneously are true - harmony in opposites.

As wars go, Heraclitus actually hated King Darius of Persia for invading Anatolia and refused to tutor him. Also he definitely didn’t fight for his home city Ephesus either, as he said all the adults should kill themselves and leave the city to the children. Heraclitus isn’t like some ancient Junger or whatever you think.

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>>25650505
Best post ITT

>>25650933
>>25652017
Here, Already did a writeup months ago
>>/lit/25051141
>>/lit/25051175

>>25650933
>>25652017
>>25652578
Sorry, didn't work. This is the thread
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25050882#p25051175

>>25652580
host error, got another link

>>25652594
never mind its working

>>25652569
This thread really went down hill after anon got his props.

>>25652151
>Soulful and righteous poetry
>unmedicated psychotic land.
STEM tards have ruined the world.
No one should read your post.

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>>25652707
>Soulful and righteous poetry

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>>25652717
KEK

>>25652717
kek