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Discuss T. S. Eliot as a writer and man of letters.
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>>25652080
Was this the guy who was christian or something? One of those poets was christian but they he said it was lame.

This is is high quality post.
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Doing you just gain 10 IQ points right away if you initialize your first few names for some reason?
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His letters to Pound and Woolf are based. So is his translation of Anabasis. So are his introductions to novels like Nightwood. So are his endless essays and criticism on anything from Dante to Valerme. Nearly everything he did was based. Pic related.
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>>25652138
>didn't like Hamlet
>didn't like Paradise Lost
sounds cringe to me
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>>25652445
His love of gin is to me his greatest sin
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>>25652445
This. Everyone knows you're supposed to like those.
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>>25652445
>>25652455
He said he thought Hamlet was a failure as a tragedy because of a stupid theory he came up with called objective correlation or something. Then said it was the Mona Lisa of literature - the most interesting but not the best. I don’t think he ever said he didn’t like Hamlet he just created his own arbitrary standard for what constitutes tragedy
Pound and Eliot were not totally off in their criticism of Milton and were actually just following Samuel Johnson who said his diction is artificial, he write English like it was a dead language. I can’t judge if this made him a bad influence but I suspect they were on to something. Now, ironically, Eliot was much worse influence on the future of poetry. The Eliot consciousness of his major poems is a dead end, or to put in another way a stumbling block.
>>25652080
A minor but important poet. I think he read too much, I think of the idea of a “dry brain” in one of his poems - this is what happens when you are worried too much about have excessive scholarship rather than thinking for yourself. I like his criticism but I dislike the orientation towards cultural matters that he represents, just as I also dislike that of Harold Bloom though he has good judgement.
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>>25652475
>I think of the idea of a “dry brain” in one of his poems - this is what happens when you are worried too much about have excessive scholarship rather than thinking for yourself.
t. The Prince of Denmark
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His poetry got better after he became a Christian and cured his nihilism. Ash Wednesday>The Waste Land
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>>25652445
Eliot actually intensely liked both. Just because he critiqued parts of them doesn't mean he disliked them.

>>25652475
>worried too much about have excessive scholarship rather than thinking for yourself
This is a stupid person's criticism. How can poems like The Hollow Men or Journey of the Magi strike you as the work of someone who didn't think for himself, and who was inexpressive as a result of wanting to appear intelligent? The directness and colloquiality of language is completely unburdened by any erudition, and yet this language is capable of great expression and poetic resonance precisely because his erudition was great. Every stupid person thinks they can think for themselves and all that happens is that they're incapable of forming an original thought because they lack an education. There is no 'thinking for yourself' as a writer without a rigorous education.



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