wtf did I just watch?no, really wat was that last episode?also, the CGI was not as bad as I heard people complain about, the VF-0D was pretty sexy
The last good Macross entry. It's all garbage after Zero
Seducing the local natives...
>guy is named Shin>voiced by the same VA as Shin Asuka from GSDdeepest lore
>>23776278Zero came out before Destiny, and Shinn Asuka got his name because it matches Kira Yamato (death/kill + Japanese historical period). The real dank lore is that Suzumura’s first VA role was in 7 as one of Gamlin’s mooks, and Kawamori cast him as the lead in the next Macross show.
was including Focker even necessary? he does not add anything to the plot. You only get a vague implication that one of the guys in the evil planes was his flight instructor but that's it.so the birdman was an alien? it obviously was something comlpetely different from the zentraedi and the vajrawhere the fuck did Sara and Shin go? why the head even reacted when he and Mao kissed underwater? in fact, Sara and Mao were some kind of ESPers or anything?so many questions that are left unanswered
>>23775850>banging hot brown girls in the pacific beachoh the show also explores that concept of how ethical/right is introducing technological advances in remote/rural communities and the effects they have over traditions and social identity
>>23776569all of these are answered in the show, if you weren't braindead, speedwatching, and/or not paying attention, esl fuckwit
the 0D is sex incarnate
Roy is in the OVA because it was the 20th anniversary and all the advertising tried to push it as "LET'S REGAIN OUR YOUTH!" https://youtu.be/DnIAVN4jLW0
>>23777308wtf is that commercial
>>23777386Have you never had a variable meal?
>>23776574>in
>>23777308MWAHAAAA DECULTURE
>>23777400All living fauna have anon. It goes in as food, comes out as shit.
>>23775707You watched greatness.
They Died or went through a Star Gate. It hints at connecting Frontier & Delta with the Galactic "Wind" religion stuff: The False Songstress to whatever Super-Star Songstress Idol Mikumo is.
>>23777308How can we regain our youth when everything that defined our youth has been discarded or otherwise vanished?
>>23782889Don't be a boomer.
>>23776489>Shinn Asuka got his name because it matches Kira Yamato (death/kill + Japanese historical period).I always thought it was a nod to Anno naming characters in Evangelion after Japanese WW2 naval vessels.
>>23783365Not everything in the anime industry has to do with Anno.
>>23775850>not breeding lbfms
>>23783293Don't worry, zoomer; one day you'll be in his position and hold the exact same laments.
>>23784507I'm a millennial. Things are great as long as you don't base your personality around the five VHS tapes you had as a kid.
>The False Songstress to whatever Super-Star Songstress Idol Mikumo is.Well, she represents, since she is a clone of said Star Songstress.
>>23788849And forgot the picture
>>23783384>lbfmsBruh.
>>23775707So who ended up with whom?
>>23775707This was the last Macross show that gave a shit about realistic battles. The air battles are grounded and there's realism involved.Every other Macross series made afterwards was just 80% Idolshit and the air/space battles were a joke.
>>23796446>realismYou keep using a word you don't understand.
>>23796509I understand it clearly. And even former Macross STAFF members like Ichiro Itano agrees with me. Modern Macross has lost all sense of realism and dogfighting.
>>23796521You know you've completely lot all contact with reality it when even the guy who gave us the legendarily nonsensical Itano circus is throwing the BS flag at you.
>>23797784>nonsensicalRetard.
>>23797807>not knowing it's a real wordDouble retard.
>>23799086You don't need to sign your posts.
>>23799093>n-no u...You don't need to dig yourself deeper.
>>23802136>two days for this weak ass replyStay down, worm.
>>23802150>pointing out a weak-ass reply is a weak-ass replyStay beneath me, prokaryote.
bump with a reference to an atom or smth idfk
>>23782889By having a family and children and enjoying life with them watching them grow up. Without being the weirdo fsggot that tried to replicate your entire childhood by making them get into pop culture you grew up with only. Your own negative attitude is tainting things too. Sorry this might be a truth nuke. Notice how all of the culture in Macross was used to fall in love you're not actually supposed to only have pop culture.
>>23788963nta what does ibfm mean
>>23788852Beautiful.
>>23804319Something very derogatory.
>>23788852Literally who?
>>23777386>be sad>get reminded of mecha>happy again
>>23803324this. i want kids so bad
>>23775707You just watched Noras animeI could have fixed her
>>23809297What was wrong with her?
>>23809384Pussy too big.
>>23809400wat
>>23775707Really good animation at the time animating really good dogfights, the story was pretty nonsensical and didn’t really fit in that well with SDF Macross but eh it was still fun
>>23775707The nice lady whose singing makes rocks float turned into a giant plantbirdthing and ate a nuke.What's not to understand?
>>23775707The greatest minute of your life.
>>23811724You're only saying that because it's entirely accurate.
>>23777308hahahahahahaha this is hilarious
>>23809400How do you figure?
>>23811724Very based.
>>23811724I didn't realize Zero System existed in the Macross universe.
>>23817541Answers?
>>23817541Hello?
>>23811724You mean that video file comprises the entirety of the last episode?
>>23788852What is she doing? And why?
>>23811724I like how the 2000s animation team took the time to show us the audience all the detail of the transition. Modern macross just has the pilot press a button and the fighter plane just transforms in an instant. So disappointing.
>>23838111>Modern macross just has the pilot press a button and the fighter plane just transforms in an instant. So disappointing.Original Macross pioneered that, you need to credit the grandaddy
I'll agree with you on the CG front. Way better than the same 4 animations they used for all of Macross 7 but nowhere near the absolute peak that was DYRL or Macross Plus. Bonus points for the F14 action at the beginning.
>>23838111Combat happens in real time, not cinema time.
>>23840169>>23840169You are watching a show. Not participating in combat.
>>23840561It stands to reason that advances in technology facilitate faster transformation speeds. If you want a more meta explanation, it's generally prudent to showcase the entire transformation process in detail only for the initial demonstration and then opt for brevity for every subsequent instance the function is utilized
>>23775707That finale was actually even harder to stomach back in the day since it took something like 8 months to get it after the previous episodeReally feels like the whole thing was unplanned and they threw shit at the wall for the finale since it straight up ignores the previous episodes cliffhangerAlso I think the CG is fine, if anything it's biggest flaw is they try to much for what it's capable of. SV-51 is over detailed and the flapping wings is just too much, there's a bunch of scenes where they had to fall back to 2d animation, etc. Frontier really perfected it by having a better handle on what they could do with it.
>>23843261>Frontier really perfected it by having a better handle on what they could do with it.>Frontier Ew no. Macross Zero has way better fights. Frontier had stupid stuff like a Valk sniper sitting on a moving asteroid. So dumb.
>>23805726faggot
7 is still king of Macross shows and it'll probably stay that way
>>23775707I need to watch this someday>>23802150>>23802474You two fags are funny>>23808905As it always was, as it always is, as it always will be, as it should be.>>23811724It really is.
>>23817541Am I going to get an answer or not?
>>23780786>MWAHAAAA HAHAHA FAGGOTFTFY
>>23848363kek
>>23844433Care to explain the rationale by which you determined him to be gay?
>>23775707I intend to give it another chance someday, but at this moment I consider it the singular Macross outlier. It's the only one I consider not just not good but actually bad. The next "worst" is either II or Delta, and I liked those. Though Delta did not feel like Macross at all
I'm starting to realize anime fucking sucks and I feel like I've been conned
>>23851097And what was facilitated this epiphany?
>>23851097Welcome to the rice field motherfucker
>>23853453>Welcome to the rice fields, motherfucker!FTFY
>>23809400No, too large a clit. It happens for women and is incredibly uncomfortable
>>23854999Incredibly stimulating you mean.
>>23855001One can not live in a constant state of climax
>>23854999>and is incredibly uncomfortableHow so?
>>23855137Imagine the raw, nerved tip of a post ejact dick being the whole dick and rubbing against the material of your suit…constantly. The hoods there for a reason anon
>>23855147Does the hood not grow to match its size?
>>23856575No
>>23856575If it's anything like a foreskin you could probably stretch it.
>>23811724>goodThe animators want to keep things in camera. They track and stabilize to the action instead of trying to make it modern digital anime camera man meme. >badYou can see with unlimited movent budget a model affords, they don't respect things like air resistance like the older Macross films did. Or momentum. It's far too twitchy and all over the place.
>>23843261I don't think there's a single good aerial sequence in Frontier. The tv show. There are in its theatrical versions.
>>23857982Not comfortably
>>23855147Does it not keratinize after a while like mutilated wangs?
>>23854999I'm astounded by the lack of photographic documentation of this condition.
>>23858505damn you aren't even trying if you think picture are hard to find...
>>23859506Search engines return only one or two relevant photos. If you know of any better sources, then by all means, provide them.
>>23855147And you know this, HOW?
>>23796446That F-14 vs MiG-29 WVR fight was fire.
>>23859598turn off safe search
>>23860721I really want more Macross stuff that isn't 90 percent KYUN KYRUN IDORU! I'm down with weird sci fi, alien or mysticism crap but give me at least some break
>>23860721It's already off, wise guy. Insulting my intelligence won't change the results.
>>23862216You've already insulted your own intelligence by not being able to use a search engine properly. Thank god AI exists to tell you how smart you are.
>>23860802For me frontier was the perfect balance, you got idols, you got romance you had people blowing up ayys with jetplanes. Plus was 90% jet, 9% music and 1% romance while fucking delta was 99% idols dammit. At least 7 had the decency of having better music, despite repeating it a lot. also Gamlin is my boy
>>23862237>You've already insulted your own intelligence by not being able to use a search engine properly.Explain. This I gotta hear.
>>23838111Have you considered the issue of budgeting? OVAs tend to get more per episode because they don't have to make it last through an entire cours or full-length series.
>>23860802>KYUN KYRUNAny relation to Lynn Kaifun?
>>23854999When was she mentioned to have that?
>>23869234She wasn't; they're just talking nonsense.
Happy 63rd birthday.
>>23867427Budget plays a role but more than that it's an issue of Direction and choreography. Many 1970s and 1980s animes look inferior to movies, but they have excellent choreography.
>>23867427It's neither, he's acting as if an overlong, incredibly slow transformation (that also without being able to use animation cheats makes things look insanely flimsy!) that was done that way just to show off the CG of the time is something normal. Not even Zero does them like that past that one
>>23859838I have a wife
>>23803324Outdated and factually incorrect mindset lol
>>23869234It's a joke you monumental sped
>>23870645With oversized anatomy?
>>23870697Ironic coming from the one who doesn't even know a rhetorical question when he sees one.
>>23870168You are misreading that post. New Macross places very little emphasis on the mechanics of the universe, and taking the time to show the audience a semi-realistic transformation. Newer Macross shows just have the pilot press a button or flip a lever. Then the whole plane uses CGI to transform in a split second. It's like the Director just wants to get passed the transformation as quickly as possible like it's a inconvenience getting in the way of telling his Idol story. When in previous Macross the tranformation and mecha was one of the most popular parts of the anime. If you bought the Gundam Seed Freedom Blu-ray Directors cut, you watch interviews with the Director and staff. Director Fukuda repeatedly emphasized that it's important for the audience to understand how mecha move and operate. It's why in the first half of Seed Freedom, he intentionally slowed down the transformation speed of multi form mecha like Rising Freedom, Immortal Justice, new Murasame suits, etc. Fukuda said it's important to establish clarity and understanding first with the audience by showing how each piece transforms and moves. Then Fukuda sped up transformation in the second half of the movie when the audience already understands everything. But Modern Macross doesn't do any of that and it's why some fans are really annoyed with how the mecha aspect of Macross has been treated in recent years. There's too much focus on the idol and love story aspect.
>>23872569Megaclitoris
>>23874027Whatever terminology you prefer, correct or not, does it apply to the anon-in-question's wife?
>>23875145Idunno, but that still leaves the question of how she knows how it feels to have male anatomy or what post-emission sensitivity feels like.
>>23876384I don't think he considered the implications when he answered, and I notice he is now conspicuously silent on the issue.
>>23877667I guess he suddenly realized.
>>23878930Realized what? That she has a large clit and it can be uncomfortable?
>>23873798Not what that means
>>23879348retortive*
>>23870143Who's the one on the right?
>>23880771A not very well known game, it just happens to be the lone voice role Mari has ever done other than Minmay
>>23873838They definitely showed a lot of mecha in frontier, in fact I think it's the last modern mecha anime to have large scale battles. Seed freedom's final battle and the engagement in the foundation city are just a bunch of 1v1 or 1v3 skirmishes, but in wings of goodbye they're actually fighting a whole planet of bugs.
>>23880818>They definitely showed a lot of mecha in frontierYes but they got really sloppy in Frontier when it came to choreography. The mecha action didn't make sense when you think about it too deeply. It's more rooted in looking cool than making realistic sense. Even Itano openly criticized Frontier and hated the battle scenes.
>>23880892He was just jealous he didn't get to work on it and was wasting his talents on shit no one remembers.
>>23880892>It's more rooted in looking cool than making realistic sense. Even Itano openly criticized Frontier and hated the battle scenes.Ironic.
>>23880892I'm pretty sure that "Itano hated Frontier" stuff ended up being a faked interview made up by a forum trollAlso, just a completely bizarre claim, Frontier was the most mecha centric the franchise had been since the original, if you're looking for a series that on no level cared about it's mecha content, that's 7.
>>23882163>I'm pretty sure that "Itano hated Frontier" stuff ended up being a faked interview made up by a forum trollNo its real. Itano said the directors didn't think the actions scenes through properly and focused too much on idol drama for Frontier. He said the idol drama was only a small part of the original Macross, and the story was more even split about survival, mecha action, and love romance. But frontier went too far in one direction. Itano even pointed out examples by saying a sniper Valkyrie makes no sense in fronter. Targets are constantly moving. And why would a sniper Valkyrie mount itself on a moving asteroid. It would be impossible to hit anymore with the Asteroid always moving through space. A lot of little complaints like that. Which to be fair is a valid complaint.
>>23882214>>23882163Sounds to me it's the military otaku versus mecha otaku issue, when it comes to the VF variant concepts at least. First generation real robot creators weren't lifelong real robot fans, so they weren't iterating on the same pool of influences further and further divorced from their original concepts and contexts.Love my marksman mobile suit variants but I agree, a sniper variable fighter just doesn't really work for me.
I'm pretty sure the sniper robot is the least of Itano's concerns.
>>23882214>love romanceIsn't that redundant?
for what its worth, itano and kawamori are still tight, enough to do events together
>>23883709Why wouldn't they be? Americans think someone criticizing a show means they hate everyone that is involved with it and that someone making a show means they absolutely stand and die for it and no one can criticize their precious baby or they are dead.
>>23775707A Thin Red Line with mecha that never cuts away from Caviezel
>>23882214Yeah but he has no right to say that when raining missile also makes no sense. Also more idol stuff is probably a result of having more limited episode and the otaku music industry being radically different from the 80s. At least it's handled rather realistically when you compare it to typical idol anime, like how sheryl and ranka's popularity boom are partly because of grace's push.I hate delta's idol gimmick so much especially since everyone other than mikumo and freyja are as important as the ship crew side characters from prior macross. It's like if canaria and cathy from frontier are also marketed as the idols lmao.
>>23883709Who's the guy that's really into bicycles and did crusher Joe and dirty pair. That's the other one from Nue but I keep forgetting his name.
>>23883951I agree with that but its funny to say when Reina is 95% the reason they even discover how var and the ruins work by letting them sneak into planets, making her more usefull than anyone not named Mikumo and her magical music i guess. Delta is such a clusterfuck, like 9/10 of the cast do fuck and all, protag trio included.
>>23883951>canariakashira...
>>23883956Imagine being so triggered by idols that "named cast members move the plot" is bad now.
>>23885390What i mean is you could remove everyone but these 2 and maybe hayate and nothing would change anon.
>>23885418So?
>>23885418Literally the only reason that Delta flight win in the end is because Freyja and Hayate are horny enough for each other that it breaks the conditioning.The bad guys win if the cast is only Reina, Mikumo and Hayate anon. Even putting everything else aside that's just factually not a true statement in a very simple way.
>>23883956>sneak into planets>into
>>23886603Apparently they're hollow.
>>23888290Oh, like Macbeth?
>>23838065
>>23890926That clarifies nothing.
>>23880812Is it any good?
>>23883891To this day I still don't know what the point of that story was supposed to be.
>>23894197>To this day I still don't know what the point of that story was supposed to be.No man is an island,
>>23870143She really only had two VA roles?
>>23895668From what I understand she's a musician that got asked to play a character and agreed, but her primary interest is music.
>>23895705Did she have any releases before her VA debut?
>>23897251No, but she signed to a record label before playing Minmei and released her first album after that. This is all pretty easy to look up you know. She's been releasing music for the past 40 years.
>>23894325Spacy?
>>23899030Bot post.
>>23899047Bot post.
Any news on the new series or are we still in the dark?
>>23901297Why is it partially in English?
>>23901421important information must be translated in the official international language
>>23901297What are the question marks supposed to denote? And why do they not have the same number per arrow?
>>23903274Bot post.
>>23903280That clarifies nothing.
>>23904476Another bot post.
>>23904531Still clarifies nothing.
>>23778376Never been buried up to your neck in the sand at low tide?
>>23905552>>23906625Bot posts.
>>23883709Why is Kawamori flipping gang signs?
>>23907557Westside foreva mutha fukka!
>>23907757But he's Far Eastside!
>>23910834Bot post.
>>23910840Pot roast
>>23776574What's that got to do with polluting the natives' lineage?
>>23775707Roy looks a lot different.
>>23858059Weren't all of Frontier's sequences in space?
>>23775707Macross lore is a bit shit.>Protoculture are the first advanced race in the galaxy.>Protoculture seeds the galaxy with life that will evolve into beings similar to themselves.>Protoculture accidentally summon the Protodeviln into our realm>Protodeviln create the Supervision Army to seize control of this universe>Protoculture create the Zentradi to fight the Protodeviln and their army>The Protoculture + Zentradi manage to defeat the ProtodevilnEverything in Macross is secretly about the Protoculture but they never really do anything with it. It's all weird background lore that basically doesn't matter.SDF Macross is actually a tertiary conflict of the Zentradi - Supervision Army War.Macross 7 is a restart of the Protodeviln War.Macross Zero is about a Protoculture probe meant to guide human evolution and intervene if humanity gets too warlike.Macross Frontier is about an alien race that influenced the Protoculture.Macross Delta is about Protoculture ruins (?)It's protoculture all the way down. But you'd barely know any of this from any of the shows because of how ineptly the exposition is handled.I'd like to think the ending of Macross Zero is the two characters being space-folded to the Protoculture home world to serve as emissaries of Humanity. But... That's never followed up on. Maybe they were space folded to the protoculture home world but the home world was destroyed in the protodeviln war so they died in empty space.
>>23914329Midwit.
>>23859855Probably the best cinematographed dogfight with IRL planes until LongShot started making videos.
>>23883709>dem eyebrowsYou know, if you gave Kawamori a X-wing pilot's helmet, he'd just be Japanese Wedge.
>>23914329Absolute twat take. But ya Heroic Age did it better if "everything is about the protoculture". But it ain't.
>>23914331That anything like halfwit?
>>23914329>a Protoculture probe meant to guide human evolution and intervene if humanity gets too warlike.
>>23901297What's with the cat?
>>23918427Bot post.
Macross loves introducing pointless new things in each series
>>23851097There are some good anime but yeah, most are hilariously bad.
>>23914329>>>Everything in Macross is secretly about the Protoculture but they never really do anything with it.Macross is in this weird situation where it could always expand on its previously established lore, but each new series wants to focus on new stuff, which ends making everything feel convoluted.
>>23919229that and also the fact that each new series is worse than the one that came before it, with the exception of Frontier
>>23919241Finally someone talking about Macross without the wool pulled over their eyes. OG, Plus were godlike, 7 was more like a Saturday morning cartoon, Zero felt checked out of and phoned in, but Frontier was great, then back to Delta and it was poop.
>>23919247spot the macrossworld unc
>>23919214List them.
>>23919241>exception of FrontierI mean Zero wasnt that good so that aint saying much. It was good though but not as solid as OG Macross. The new shows, Frontier included have this bad habit of fucking up by miniturizing the idols' social life and try to explain the girls' motives too much.
Did they manage to come to an agreement with Harmony Gold or have they finally fucked off for good?
>>23920465Harmony Gold never had any control over DYRL but bluff their way into making people think they did. Their bootlickers would also scapegoat Toho being the distributor as the reason why the movie was "untouchable" for years.
>>23796446>Talking about realism in the show that has an ancient organic death being that awakens as a fail safe to destroy all of humanityMacross Zero and 08th MS Team have convinced me that we need to eradicate jungle settings. You put a mech in a jungle and for some reason it causes a million "muh realism" retards to crawl out of the woodwork. Even funnier that he's saying this when the Macross series that came before Zero was fucking 7 which had just as much of a focus on magic music as Frontier and Delta, if not more, but I guess it's only a problem if it's idol music. That's also not even taking into account that 7's main villains were giant monsters with supernatural abilities.
Watching the original Macross (ep 18) and what the hell, Roy didn't even make it to the episode 20s.
>>23920550I think more than anything that people are really, really fucking bad at articulating what they like about things and why they find other things to not satisfy them in the same way.What we really need to do is ban the word realism from mecha discussion.
>>23920465Where's this event being held?
>>23920557Your point being?
>>23914329Actually a bit backwards. The Protocultures created the Zentradi for proxy warfare between their political divisions; the Protodeviln were an accident while they were trying to create next-generation EVIL-series Zentradi to outmatch their previous creations in combat.
>>23922208I was just expecting him to last way longer than that.
>>23920557The original Macross when through a lot of mid-production changes from a full 50 episodes to 24 to 36. Roy dying ep18 might have been before they got the approval for 36 episodes.
>>23922242Why'd they cut it?
>>23923247What do you care? You're not going there.
>>23891465Then go watch Delta (preferably the movies), Mikumo borders on shameless on her diva behavior, but it does have a reason, kinda.
>>23924970Why the movies?
>>23925511NTA but a lot of people liked the movie version of Delta more than the TV show. The second film is also in this weird spot where it adapts bits and pieces of the show that didn't make it into the first film while also being a sequel, it's like a movie adaption of an S2 that doesn't exist.Personally I think Delta's overhated. If/when the new Sunrise show happens I'm curious if no longer being 'the new one' or I guess 'the most recent one' now will change how people talk about it.
>>23925530And why is the series so hated?
>>23926891Many reasons but a big one is the general drop off in quality of the story on the second half, feels like it should had stopped on the 13 episode mark, maaaaybe at 18 but that's a very generous stretch.
>>23926891It's just boys who think girls have cooties.
>>23927785Everything from 14-23 is a big nothingburger, you could remove all of it and nothing changes. Makina a cute tho
>>23927888Has that disease ever been defined?
>>23928318Homosexuality
>>23926891Both the other replies hit the main points. It gets a little muddled in the third act and the 'too much idolshit' crowd didn't like the approach it took to things.They're not wrong but I liked the in-universe evolution of having an explicitly militarised idol unit and how it helped keep that stuff tied into the primary plot more directly. I think some entries can get a little too lost in the music scene subplots at times.It could've done more with it but I really liked the politics. This is the first time we've really seen an outside perspective on the NUN and seeing the various ways that people can interpret the way that 'we're here and we're understanding and friends now fuckers' can be interpreted and how they can fumble it was cool. Same with juxtaposing the expansion of their popular culture and a fairly mainstream idol group against the 'retvrn to tradition' stuff the Windmereians have going on.Some people dislike that it functionally doesn't have a love triangle, personally I really liked the main couple and was glad the show gave them more room to breathe versus Frontier's comical degree of keeping things in the air.Keeping things a little vague deliberately, and annoyingly the films actually change some of these parts a little.Obviously it's not perfect but I think the reputation in the western fanbase is self-reinforcing. People hear it's the bad one and see people talking shit about it and go in expecting not to like it, looking for the things people told them suck about it and focusing on them from that perspective.You would think people would have learned by now that every entry is wildly different and go along for the ride a little more.
>>23926891NTA but my personal issue was that the show basically wastes your time with Mirage to "mirage" a love triangle/completely one sided unrequited love and Frejya has too much of that over the top life or death anime stuff with her issues being extreme situation slop rather than having issues of getting enraptured by the life of an idol or in general of just being a girl. Everything else is better than anything involving those characters but at the end of the day its still a rather bland show and I think Kawamori forgot to change gears from Aquarion back to Macross.If theres one particularly praise worthy point its that the music is catchy but amongst the TV shows anyone should struggle to put Delta as anything but dead last. Yes even 7 is more endearing.
