>solo'd hundreds of millions space monsterswhy did Gunbuster become a super robot anime?
and why's everyone so thirsty over this ugly unc?
because it's not real
why's episode 6 black and white?
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>>23785886It was always super robot. And btw? Eva is also super robot. You may now kys.
And why didn't the girls shave their pubes?
>>23786032Because Anno is based.
>>23785895>becomeIt always was.The Buster machine were already superior to warship, The Exelion just happened to be the next big step.Eventually even the Gunbuster is mass produced.It's just poking fun at the incredible arms race going on.>>23785918Not a budget cutVoluntary choice and it was harder than making it in color because they needed to worry about contrast a lot more.
>>23786263The Buster Machine’s aren’t superior to the Super Exelions in the final episode, those have even higher firepower than Gunbuster itself.
>>23785886hardwork and guts
>>23785895Anno sniffing his own farts a bit more than usual that day but the result was pretty good
Soooo...what color is that thing even supposed to be?
>>23786294A dark grey or black that is occasionally depicted as blued steel.
>>23786294gunmetal
>>23786294I prefer the colors SRW always goes with, so dark greyThere was a stretch where the merch skewed really purple, I'm guessing cause it looks sorta purpley in Ep5 but it would look like shit if it was black on a black background in every shot
>>23786294Dark grey.
>>23786263>>23786275we need AI to colorize the ugly b&w episode 6
>>23786402This is one of the most retarded things I've ever seen anyone say on this board.
>>23786443drama queen
>>23786012Why does she walk like a dildo is up her cunt?
>>23786118If anno is based then where is asuka's bush?
>>23786607why do you know what that looks like?
>>23786686Because, unlike many here, I have seen the clitoris and communed with it. It spoke of many things.
>>23786700Do not listen to it's lies brother, for that is the way of darkness.
>>23786700I doubt that
>>23786708It claimed the way, I said it a fool and it shrank back into the hood>>23786737You know not the vulva
>>23786402I want it to happen just so I can laugh of the bad idea it was.
>>23786684Not an OVA, prease understandaru...
anyone who says super or real robot should be banned for 400 yearskill yourself
>>23786607>Why does she walk like a stick is up her ass?FTFY
>>23786032Because that's too skanky even for those working the world's oldest profession in Japan.
>>23786275>sniffing his own fartsIs that supposed to be an idiom?
>>23791137Yes and it's old as hell, you absolute newfag retard.
>>23791136Actually, historically jap prostitutes DID shave. They were pretty much the only ones until the past few decades. It was a health thing.
>>23786265That's only because they had not yet built the next generation of Buster machines easily capable of soloing the Eltreum.Also technically this is already a Buster machine.https://gunbuster.fandom.com/wiki/Buster_Machine_3
>>23785886It's a super robot because of its advanced alloys and black hole engines. When you have stuff like that you're a super.>Turn A has a black hole engine Loran's voice doesn't echo when he's doing attacks, and it's not big.
>>23794322>Easily capable of soloing the EltreumI don't think any of them are capable of doing that since the Eltreum is borderline indestructible, even Nono, powerful as she is, does nothing that I would say is explicitly impossible until the Double Inazuma Kick, which was powered more by her friendship with Lal'c and their hope and determination than any actual technical specs, that could destroy the Eltreum for sure but that's a one time attack that can't be easily replicated.
>>23785886The most realistic thing about this anime is how the women act exactly like women.
T-there's going to be a part 3 where Noriko finally gets to meet Nono right?! Right?!
>>23786402Death penalty.
>>23794569Gaina got bought out by an AI animation company and they were the ones making Gunbuster 3 so, I wouldn’t get my hopes up.
>>23794681>company behind the EVA series>GqqqqquaacksI don't see anything wrong with it, unless you're a yurishitter and hate GQUUUUACKS.
>>23794527>friendshipuh huh
>>23786012giwiwh
>>23795514GQ is yuri tho??? that's why we hate it right?
>>23795546I hate it because it’s one of the worst Gundam series I’ve ever seen.
>>23795546Other way around anon, the people who hate GQ hate it because it isn't yuri.
>>23795784speak for yourself, I hate it because it didn't focus on the worldbuilding
>>23795784This. I also hate GQ because the plot is awful and too much referencefagging (just like Zeta)
>>23785886>>23786013>>23786263>>23794405super isn't a measure of powera "super robot" is a unique hero in a setting where it is a standout, a "real robot" is a piece of military hardware in a setting where robots are regularly built like tanks or jetsretards may now reply to this post splitting hairs and citing exceptions, hilighting their low IQ and inability to understand heuristics vs particulars>>23787462if you don't like mecha just leave
>>23794527Not to powerlevel BUT,Nono started by splitting a planet in two with finger lasersShe's 7 generation past the Eltreum creation even if it was probably improved instead of mass-producing Super-EltreumBuster machine 19 used a topless to grab a planet through hyperspacehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-FocjZVQ14And they both beat an alien that survived a black hole the Eltreum would flee, with Nono carrying that "Naked singularity" away.The Eltreum is basically inferior to the alien they beat.
>>23795815>a "super robot" is a unique hero in a setting where it is a standout>a "real robot" is a piece of military hardware in a setting where robots are regularly built like tanks or jetsWe both know this is retarded because it break down simply with quantity, or proportion among the forces, or niche utilization, or just by the inexistence of tanks/jets (including if they are subcomponent of the mecha).By your retarded logic Patlabor are unique standout so "super robot", and the Sizzler machine are regularly built so "real robot".>retards may now reply to this post splitting hairs and citing exceptionsThe existence of "exceptions" (which for us would be sub-genre) is what invalidate your argument in the first place."Super robot" does involve a measure of power because what they represent is essentially overcoming the laws (of physics) that apply to everything else."Real robot" are usually less powerful because they explicitly try to play with the same laws of physics as everything else.Thus it's impossible to refine those without meta interpretation or the author's intent.But while the real/super is more of a graph that deserve 2 other axis, if not a 4th, your attempt to be the edgy smartass above <metrics you simply don't understand> reveal you as the biggest retard in the thread.
>>23796103yeah, yeah, sure.
>>23796103Yes it's power based with wacko powered stuffs, my point. Thanks for padding my ego ;)
>>23785886Because the monsters were using magic bullshit powers to travel FTL and reproduce.
>>23786607Why don't all women do this?
>>23786263When was that published?
>>23799139I bet you could guess it or even find data on that.>anime Expo '96...and foundhttps://archive.org/details/1996-aexpo
>>23785886 uh did the getter-ass fat tube fucker mecha not make it obvious come on man
>>23804546Especially when Noriko does a tokusatsu move in the first fucking episode. OP is stupid as hell.
>>23794569She got event horizon'd before her role model even got back to Earth.
>>23810787The director said Nono is still alive and will eventually come back to watch skylarks with Lal’c so I wouldn’t bet on that being enough to stop her from meeting Noriko.
>>23796103>literally argues that outliers invalidate trendsthis is why i laugh at anyone complaining about super/real terms. the same kind of midwits to cite personal anecdotes as proof statistics are falsepatlabor is a horrible example for your "argument" because labors are normal mass-produced machines, making it real robot. hell, it's right in the name: they take a labor robot and use it for police duty. the whole point is robots are an established, existing technologyand yes, gunbuster is also a real robot show because the sizzlers are military hardware. ironically you got this one right, though you're implying you think it's otherwise so maybe notthe point is that in a "real robot" setting, robots are a conventionally produced items and in a "super robot" setting they're special heroes only made by one genius or other unique source. even if there are some special robots, like how grandpa is special in 0079, the setting is what matters (i.e they are mass-producing zakus)in the real world, for example, there are special one-of-one cars that exist, but normal cars are still mass-produced which makes cars conventional technology
>>23811370Yeah but the fast expensive unique and rare cars are called super cars. Really makes you thinkDoesn't that make you think?
>>23811377fuck, didn't think of thati yield
>>23795815Gunbuster and Eva have super robot settings. Anno has gone out and said that Eva's scenario is set up like Mazinger Z, the parallels are obvious. Gunbuster is a grey Getter Robo. You are low IQ and low experience, a deadly combination.
>>23811420Mazinger is real robot thoughever.
>>23811424Mazinger is made of CHOGOKINSuper Alloy! He super albeit thusly
>>23811370>claim someone is wrong>pretty much agree with all points>claim they were ironicA super-robot like car would be James Bond 007's spy cars. Claiming the mantle of technology as the fantasy of a super-car.The Patrol Labor being categorized real robot is pretty much the point, but by the previous anon's logic >>23795815 they would not because they stand out, same goes for Gundam or pretty much any other prototype.Whereas mass-production remain a silly criterion because super-robot are often presented as just hardware, even if it's hardware of such quality they cannot afford more than one. By that logic the Gunbuster remain an unique super-robot since it wasn't mass-produced, and so goes many other "super" robot like Robot-Jox.So it is mainly more a question of power respective to other non-robot hardware in the setting.
>>23786012Diebuster clears Gunbuster btw
>>23811370>and yes, gunbuster is also a real robot show because the sizzlers are military hardware.mfw tetsujin, great mazinger, grendizer, giant robo, getter, godannar are real robots
>>23811427That's just marketing.
>>23811453you're not really understanding my postthe point is that "real robot" and "super robot" are terms that describe subgenres, not specific machines. it isn't "a real robot" but rather "a real robot SHOW" aka a real robot settingif the setting has robots presented as established, conventional technology (not just made using normal technology but regularly produced and used throughout the setting. i.e. robots themselves are conventional) it's "real robot." things like gundam, dougram, votoms are the obvious examples. lots of people have robots, they are widely used and available before the introduction of the herothis is a departure from things like getter, zambot, etc where even if the robots are built using normal technology they aren't conventional. almost nobody has robots, the ones that exist are unique to other available weapons. even when these settings go on to introduce mp versions, they're still deriving them from the hero-- they weren't conventional technologyof course there are going to be shows that don't fit perfectly in either group, but that doesn't mean the overall trends don't exist. these are two subgenres broadly applicable to a lot of /m/ shows, they are useful in discussing the evolution of /m/ shows over time, and it seems like anyone approaching the topic in good faith can understand the distinction
Damn I guess Godannar is real robot lmfao
>>23812089>like anyone approaching the topic in good faith can understand the distinction
>>23812089You're sort of right that it's about setting but you're wrong about everything else. It has nothing to do with the technology (you're falling into a similar trap as power levels and mass production) but everything to do with the aesthetics of the setting and even the robots themselves. Robots actually look super or real even if you know nothing of the story/setting. That's because it is purely a visual aesthetic. In essense real robot is any robot that looks military or something similar such as a police or research robot. Usually the setting goes hand in hand with that. For a direct counter example to your claim, I'll cite Turn A Gundam. Robots are not conventional in Turn A Gundam. They are literally artifacts unearthed, or from an culturally alien moon civilization, and fighting against early 19th century technology like biplanes, making them unique to other available weapons. They are also derived from the hero (and villain) robot. Said hero/villain robots also have seemingly magical abilites like butterfly wings of anti-technology. Yet Turn A Gundam is a real robot show. Because that is the aesthetic it fits into.
>>23812307To further illustrate my point I'll compare what I said about Turn A to Mazinger Z. Like Turn A, Mazinger Z has a hero robot that is the basis for the other Earth robots in its setting, which are eventually mass produced, and Mazinger Z battles against robots from a culturally, and later literally, alien Earth civilization.
>>23812314(sorry post got submitted by accident before I was done)Mazinger Z lacks the more fantastical aspects of Turn A i.e. it doesn't have an equivalent to Moonlight Butterfly and the non-robot technology is closer to Mazinger's tech level than Ameria's is to Turn A. Mazinger also has more an infrastructure to support it (Professor Yumi is familiar with Photonic tech, there's an entire facility dedicated to supporting Mazinger) whereas Turn A is literally lost alien technology being controlled and somehow maintained by steam engine/early electricity age civilians. Mazinger Z can't fly without a rocket pack but Turn A is flying around using light particles and has beam swords etc. By all counts, Mazinger Z is technologically inferior to Turn A and its setting is more consistent. Yet Mazinger Z is the representative super robot while Turn A is real robot. This all comes down to the visual aesthetics of the robot and also, in this particular case, the storytelling aesthetics.
>>23811538Diebuster is the greatest anime ever made; literally perfect from start to finish. It's only flaw, if you could call it that, it that you need to have seen Gunbuster first in order to fully appreciate it.
>>23785887Women love men that hit them. Don't let feminists tell you otherwise.
>>23812333Agreed, even a one episode wonder like Tycho really made her time in the limelight count.
>>23812089>the point is that "real robot" and "super robot" are terms that describe subgenresWhich was literally my point from the start when I talked about it being "impossible to refine those (genre) without a meta interpretation of the author's intent."So I'm afraid you are just being contrarian while shifting your argument from "numbers/rarity" to "unconventional/conventional" to the "heroism" of pilot(s), leading to the awkward position of having to measure heroism, by this standard Gunbuster is unmistakable super-robot show but so would be many high-stake, character centric, "real robot" mecha where the main character is constantly introducing the new conflict-changing technology leading the conflict.Which is why the intent matter more than arguing "conventional" "unconventional" and a side-effect of "heroic" pilot, is them being the most powerful entities in their respective show, regardless if it's by skill, psychic power, or being handed the super-prototype.Sometimes the author intent is just to troll his audience.>seems like anyone approaching the topic in good faith can understand the distinctionSomeone in good faith would not pretend to be superior "laughing" at those discussing the terms, then do no better job at defining them.As I said before the distinction real/super is more of a graph that deserve 2 other axis, if not a 4th dimension.
>>23812333>Diebuster>It's only flaw, if you could call it that...is not having the glorious artstyle of Gunbuster.Not to overblow it since it was an OAV but, Diebuster was made in the awkward time when they were slowly moving to all-digital animation when it couldn't surpass old-school animation.Speaking of that, I wonder if AIs could be used to cheaply fake the cell-shading aesthetic.(yes I know that without proper tool to control it, it will only result in a slop)
>>23812377That one episode will forever shine as one of the most wonderful ones in all of mechadom
>>23812631Wrong on so many points. Diebuster looks amazing specifically because of that early digital animation. Animators were still using traditional styles and techniques that gives early digital an incredible and timeless look. >all-digital animation when it couldn't surpass old-school animationIm-fucking-plying.>slopfagFigures.
>>23812631nah, Diebuster is even more gorgeous than the OG Gunbuster was, it was made during the last dying moments of cell animation, no animes today can look as good as those early 2000 OVAs used to look
>>23812666Diebuster is 100% digital.
>>23812671it was still made with traditional animation techniques and OVA moneyno show today looks like Diebuster
>>23786402
>>23812673>traditional animation techniquesYeah like every anime made today.
>>23812681show me an anime that looks like Diebuster tard
>>23812665>>23812666Diebuster is nowhere slop but it certainly wasn't using "traditional style". Or you could say they had overly saturated color and cheap animation precisely because they did it the old way, compensating for CRT screen color degradation that don't exist, and thinking with the limitation of multiplane camera.Early digital has a "timeless look" because it was usually ugly as fuck.Again, Diebuster is not ugly, but it certainly didn't set any animation standard that hasn't been surpassed since.>>23812673>no show today looks like DiebusterBecause they look better. Well, at least they can look better.
>>23812696>Or you could say they had overly saturated color and cheap animation precisely because they did it the old wayGunbuster also looked cheap most of the time
>>23812696Posting more important scene for comparison
>>23812697I'm not going to put Gunbuster on an eternal pedestal, but it didn't looked cheap at the time.Diebuster disappointed a lot.Sure that's because it was far more developed in its characters psychology (whereas Gunbuster characters are flat except Noriko), but it certainly wasn't up to expectation.
>>23812701>but it didn't looked cheap at the time.but it does look super cheap now, we have seasonal anime that look better than Gunbuster every season
The stylistic choice didn't help either.Even if they had the sexiest buster machine the 7th, Nono
>>23812631Gunbuster's art style is great, but Diebuster's is just too amazing, not even the obvious CGI is enough to make this series any less beautiful for me from start to finish.
>>23812712also the OST is incredible, not enough people talk about how good Diebuster's soundtrack is
>>23812703>we have seasonal anime that look better than Gunbuster every seasonList 50 or BTFO!Gunbuster was honestly limited to standing/sliding shots, but those still have much more details than the average anime reach at their best.Modern animation is focusing more on kids with ADHD who want to see constant movement and CGI SFX.>>23812712You are entitled to your subjective taste you damn patrician!
>>23812720>Modern animation is focusing more on kids with ADHD who want to see constant movement and CGI SFX.do you not want your animated show to get animated?
>>23812720Do you guys think anime will ever advance to a point where animating a battle on the scale of Gunbuster’s final episode will be possible? I heard it was made in still frames like this because it wasn’t feasible to accurately depict it.
>>23812295you're right, who am i kidding lol>>23812307this is a fair take, i just think the aesthetic angle is something a lot of detractors from using these terms take issue withturn A is a good example, can't really argue with that except to say the robots they're digging up were, at some point, conventional technology>>23812616sorry anon, maybe i haven't articulated myself well but i've been making the same argument all along (about robots being conventional)you keep responding to points and concepts that i did not say (or at least did not intend to say) like this bit about "measuring heroism" which has absolutely nothing to do with my posttried to give you the benefit of the doubt and elaborate on what seemed like a misunderstanding, but you may be projecting when you accuse me of contrarianism
>>23812314>>23812318not really familiar with mazinger so i'll have to take your word on this, but i can agree with the reasoning you're laying out. didn't see these posts when writing my first reply since i was already replying to two otherswe're at least on the same page that "real robot" and "super robot" are meaningful categories for describing /m/ shows, which is the main thing
>>23812697>Gunbuster also looked cheap most of the timeOkay you are just baiting.
>>23812737if Diebuster is cheap looking, then Gunbuster might as well look like an episode of Sazae San
Autism is strong today.
>>23812733super and real can be useful broad terms, what I have a problem is how people misuse them i.e. power levels, claims of realism or fantastical, stereotypes like bad narrative or magical robots with little thought put into the setting etc. You hear stupid shit like "super robots don't get maintenance and just magically heal themselves" or "eva/gunbuster is real" because people build up dumb stereotypes based on ther terminology and heaps of ignorance. Self-proclaimed real robot fans are the absolute fucking worst about this kind of crap and generally know next to nothing about anything outside of their gundam hugbox.
>>23813237yeah big agree on this too. i think those dudes who act like "real robot" is more realistic or grown-up than "super robot" have created the group that reacts so negatively any time they hear the terms
Aside,this discussion made me wonder of a real-robot mecha somehow appearing and being used in a medieval warfare setting as if it was a demigod.The problem being to set this up. Isekai is out on account of being a crime against mankind.Leaving only the idea of a Sci-Fi world were civilization crumbled, somehow all history, but somehow they found a store of perfectly preserved mecha that can be operated even by tech-illiterate knights.>>23812728>sorry anon, maybe i haven't articulated myself well but i've been making the same argument all along (about robots being conventional)It- is- getting confusing, but I reserve the right to think you are backpedalling from acting like a condescending smartass despite having no cleaner definitions for the colloquial "real robot"/"super robot" sub-genres.Defining those definitely cannot be summed up by any single criteria, and all "outlier" or "edge case" are just part of the genre (unless one wish to inflate the importance of cheap copypaste show as representing the genre)
>>23785886>solo'dI hate zoomers
>>23813237>You hear stupid shit like "super robots don't get maintenance and just magically heal themselves"That's kind of a regular feature for that genre. Even when they do get maintenance it's sometime the equivalent of a one/few rednecks repairing a space-shuttle off-screen in the week, without even ordering supplies, as if they had enough spare part ready to build 10 robots.>Self-proclaimed real robot fans are the absolute fucking worst about this kind of crap and generally know next to nothing about anything outside of their gundam hugbox.Oh I know a fanbase far worse than that!Self-proclaimed mecha fan who act like nihilist dumbass when all they know of Gundam is 1/2 Alt-Centuries series from mainstream TV channel. Shitting on true fans who have extensive knowledge of narratives codes, design cues, and can appreciate both real/super subgenre.Shitting on them for caring about "pointless details" instead of mindlessly consuming mass-media stuff as they do themselves.>>23813817>act like "real robot" is more realisticIt kinda is the entire appeal of the genre, even if they still need to sell gunpla and mileage vary.Gundam shifted the expectations a long time ago, ever since those expectations shifted again making Gundam more super than real.Knowing something remain fictional doesn't mean no further efforts can be made toward verisimilitude.>or grown-up than "super robot"Hard to deny this genre is often geared toward a younger audience and less demanding as writing goes.It's not that they cannot be dark/bloody like NGE, or sophisticated in both themes & technical visuals, but it less often the case.And when we mock "real robot" for being too cheated, basically "super", it's because it is simply more difficult to make and sell in the first place.Especially as IRL robot sound geared to be limited to drones.
The training units and all the ones that normally fight the space monsters are real.After the 3rd ep Gunbuster itself shows up and it's a super In ep6 we get a despecced mass produced Gunbustercalled a Sizzler and is more like a real again. It implodes under the weight of Jupiter, and doesn't have all the weapons as GB.
>>23814069>real-robot mecha>medieval warfare setting
>>23813817This retard >>23814113 is the prime example of it. He's an idiot.
23814323>low effor
Some of the first mecha featured in manga and anime were "super robots" (スーパーロボット sūpā robotto).[1] The super robot genre features superhero-like giant robots that are often one-of-a-kind and the product of an ancient civilization, aliens or a mad genius. These robots are usually piloted by Japanese teenagers via voice command or neural uplink, and are often powered by mystical or exotic energy sources.[1] Their abilities are described as "quasi-magical".[9]
The later real robot (リアルロボット riaru robotto) genre features robots that do not have mythical superpowers, but rather use largely conventional, albeit futuristic weapons and power sources, and are often mass-produced on a large scale for use in wars.[1] The real robot genre also tends to feature more complex characters with moral conflicts and personal problems.[10] The genre is therefore aimed primarily at teenagers and young adults instead of a general audience including children.[11]
I think this discussion about Supers vs Reals is getting silly at this point, especially for a setting like Top wo Nerae that abandoned a lot of pretenses of being realistic by the end with things like giant black hole bombs being made from just the resources of a single solar system and mass produced mecha with the energy output of our sun.
>>23791136>hygiene is skanky
>>23786294Far-right makes it look like Aestivalis 02
>>23816364>>23816365Wikipedia is the greatest source of misinformation in history
>>23817006NTA but those are pretty accurate generalizations. But feel free to edit the article if it's so wrong. But don't cry when your edits are inevitably reverted because you don't have any sources except your own ass.
>>23819110NTA but you're dumb and wrong. Don't cry about it.
how have you faggots been arguing this shit for a monthsuper vs real is a made up distinction that only westerners give a fuck about for some bizarre reason. the terms lack nuance and are extremely vague, which is the first sign you shouldn't be using them. my biggest issue with the terms is that there are newfags who use the term super robot disparagingly and ignore the wealth of great robot shows because they are "kiddy shit" when in reality they are often great and just as thematically rich as any so-called real robot show. great mazinger is an example, it's actually quite a mature show approaching real-world issues in certain episodes.to me it makes far more sense to just view it as a big tent, why wouldn't you like gaogaigar if you like votoms? the director of votoms was the producer of ggg after all. just watch robot shit instead of making up retarded labels as an excuse to not watch something.
>>23785886Always was, there's just titty in this
gunbuster fucking sucks
PEAKbuster!
Is there some random white kid that goes around and makes low effort troll posts like this. Total nonsense that never has anything to do with the conversation. >>23819374
>>23819206> only westerners give a fuck about this or thatMy favorite argument by people who don't even speak Japanese.
>>23785886>why did Gunbuster become a super robot animeWhat?
>>23819918OP is mad it's not a real robo show like his Gundam . . . or guessing by posts, Geass
>>23785887>tall>mysterious>intense personality>scars >physically abusive
>>23785895when i think about this episode in my head, its in color. anyone else?
>>23819892great comeback you polesmoking deadshit
Gunbuster is literally super. Japan said so. See image.
>>23820098Nah, I prefer it in black and white.
>>23820799so do i but every time i recall scenes from it, theyre in color. its strange
What do you guys think caused humanity to degenerate to the extent that they're at in Diebuster? Something fucking insane must have happened if the same people who managed to mass produce the Gunbuster and eventually made someone far more dangerous in the form of Nono decided to seal themselves away from the rest of the galaxy entirely and slowly forgot all about their past instead of exploring the stars and colonizing whatever inhabitable worlds they might come across.
>>23820461
>>23785886It was always a super robot anime.
>>23823060>What do you guys think caused humanity to degenerate to the extent that they're at in Diebuster?Culpability.They used a bomb that destroyed 70% of a galaxy they had not even started to explore.Even if mankind met another species from another galaxy they would look at theirs, and be afraid or grossed out to ask what happened.How many nascent races did they exterminate? What would happen if mankind ever fighting themselves again? Can they even make peace with other civilization?One of their theory was that space monster were a defense mechanism to prevent their kind of civilization.By Diebuster you realize that they were fighting their own self-defense system as if monster, and topless are basically mankind evolving into space-monster full loop.Implying that it might be the inevitable evolution.>eventually made someone far more dangerous in the form of Nono decided to seal themselves awayDid you even watch the show?Nono is peace, she did it to protect mankind from a naked singularity, cause they are too sexy I guess? becoming truly a Nonoriko.And it's not necessarily "seal herself away" as much as being forced to move it to another plane of existence because its mere existence threaten mankind.So maybe she's in a cool place, having a drink with all kind of superior civilization who moved out of the cesspool our universe is.
>>23825950I wasn’t talking about Nono, I was referring to her creators, who else would have chosen to seal the solar system off with a sea of Buster Legion drones if not humanity?Also,>What would happen if Mankind ever fight themselves again?They already have, if Tycho’s lines about the Topless not being able to stop wars means anything.
>>23825959>I wasn’t talking about Nono, I was referring to her creators, who else would have chosen to seal the solar system off with a sea of Buster Legion drones if not humanity?Oh, then the first part of my post apply.There was nothing very motivating left.Mankind had won, but at what cost? They holed the galaxy.If they found another alien, would they just start another war?And Degeneracy generator fuck physic so much it's probably detectable, so taking them out would be a sane way for mankind to live recluse, never encouraging anyone to seek out new frontier, just live with what you have.That's the Space NEET force for you.Plus, Buster machine 7 lost her memory in an attempt to save Nono IIRC.The most unreasonable part of Diebuster is that is somehow lasted 13,000 years, because the speed of light is very slow. You'd have time to restart civilization from the middle age 50 times.I could imagine a plot about a pilot-made-hero going back home century later, and having to remotivate mankind, while constantly being remained the great war was Mankind's fault to begin with.
Real Robot versus Super Robot is just Hard Sci-fi versus Soft Sci-fi.All it boils down to is how much you bend the laws of physics/verisimilitude beyond the central conceit of "Humanoid robots are plausible, possible and useful enough to be made."If you then go "and they are basically magic and can fuck shit up and they're super cool and they can combine", that's super robot.Your robot is doing things that don't pretend to have a basis in reality. That's fine, cool even. Keep it up, we need the variety. Plus, this allows you to interweave abstract moral messages easier, because you can do shit like have your robot run on the literal power of friendship. You can have your guys lose the fight because they haven't learned some important moral lesson, which they learn and then go back and win.Then there's the polar opposite, true Hard Sci-fi says "There are no robots, only tanks, because square-cube law etc.". This is fine in a vacuum, but we're on /m/, so this will not do here.Then there's your "These are combat vehicles that happen to be human shaped. They happen to be militarily useful, and they obey the laws of reality, the mere fact of their existence notwithstanding." This is real robot.This robot is trying its absolute damnedest to make some sort of sense. This sort of thing usually involves combined arms, without the mecha being the be-all end-all of warfare. Typically there will be a focus on the actual physical mechanics behind the mech; how does it operate, what's its power source, how does it integrate weaponry, etc.It's also worth noting, this is not a binary, it is a continuum. There are a great many franchises that live comfortably in between these extremes, and trying to put every mecha show in one of these two boxes is reductive and asinine. It goes without saying that preference for one or t'other is valid, but treating either as objectively superior is childish and ignorant.
>>23826241There is literally nothing hard sci-fi about piloted humanoid battle robots i.e. "real robot". Stop confusing engrish usage for actual English.
>>23826293I already said, by most agreed-upon definitions of hard sci-fi, real robot fails at the hurdle of "square-cube law". It's the same axis though, going from "fuck it, we ball" to "this must make sense at all times", taking a path through "it's not quite perfect sense, but you won't notice".It's defined in at least partial opposition to super robot, and the name is literally "real robot". If that doesn't somehow mean "robot, but realer" then I defy you to produce a more coherent definition.
>>23826307>real robot fails at the hurdle of "square-cube law"It's fails a lot sooner than that, you're really low IQ
>>23826241It's reductive and not really adequate.The Super robots genre easily involves many tropes that never tried to be SF in the first place.Just like the Real robots genre is only one among many SF subgenres.>>23826293>nothing hard sci-fi about piloted humanoid battle robots i.e. "real robot".You just lack imagination, even if I'll agree animes usually lacks even more and keep going back to the same tropes. Gotta ditch the school-settings, the boy falling in a cockpit, or mecha being the only weapon that matter.It's not like we had much success predicting the real weapons of tomorrows.The other day Ukrainian took back a village using only drones. We used to mock that too because the early model were crap.>>23826307>real robot fails at the hurdle of "square-cube law"Only if you limit yourself to Gundam cheese.Patlabor size would have no problem and we aren't lacking power source either, the problem has always been the interface. Control software matter more than the pilots nowadays.
If the pilot yells attacks, it's a super robot.
>>23828636>the problem has always been the interfaceKEK no
>>23828644BEAM FANNARU >shoots things with his psychic mind powers and gives his robot an invincibility field from souls because his robot has a mystery psychic box in it Real robot and hard sci-fi *smirk*
>>23811538I wish Diebuster was better. The end of episode 4 and most of episode 6 are great, but a lot of the rest is just so weak.
>>23828702Hard disagree, the entire series is as close to as perfection as an anime can get in our lifetimes.
>>23828771Explain how the one dude trying to rape Nono contributed to the overall plot or themes of Diebuster in any meaningful way.
>>23828844It showed how pathetic he became by refusing to grow up, just like the other people who are obsessed with being Topless forever like the white haired twins.
>>23825950>flat black hole
>>23830313This is not the last time Top wo Nerae! kicked the laws of physics to the curb.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V46ciduAzwo
>>23811377Here's what I think!
>>23830320Wrong image, bruh.
>>23828692It is really, Dumbass believe they just need a motion-capture and they mech will be instantly as good as they are.The reality is that it's too much stress trying to make sure you don't trip, fall a few meters and break your neck
>>23828636>The other day Ukrainian took back a village using only drones. You mean, they claimed to have taken back a village using only drones. >the problem has always been the interfaceNonsense, the problem is that you have something of massive size and complexity that is inherently fragile. And no, the power sources aren't there in any practical sense.
>>23796103>>23811370To me it's like the F91 and mass produced F91 for Harrison Madin. Where to get the max amount of cooling and power you had to have >a newtype>the special bio sensor/computerbut they were able to take out that computer and up the cooling, so now anyone can have an almost maxed out F91, with having a squad of them for the cost of 1 newtype one.
>>23833611>You mean, they claimed to have taken back a village using only drones.And its 200% believable if only because it doesn't ask for that much.Given modern day computer image recognition I think we can already have AI turret head-shooting any human half a kilometer away with only someone giving the direction & authorization. It's just logistic and the risk of trying ground remote weapons now.Guess it's real robot feasibility time,>Nonsense, the problem is that you have something of massive size and complexity that is inherently fragile.Only if you imagine retarded anime design like a 12m tall tacticool FMP/Muvluv and refuse to accept a niche that don't play your favorite anime mecha brawling tropes.Helicopters were already far worse than any real mech can start as.The only things keeping us from making a real Patlabor/Helldiver unit (beside the lack of any reasons) is fully automatizing the piloting because you can't have a pilot kill themselves because they miscalculated or tripped.General Electric stopped their Walking truck project because pilot would suffer mental fatigue after only 15mn. So yeah, you'll only have real robot when you can traverse almost anything just by pushing a stick and not be afraid of "oops!" followed by a broken neck.>And no, the power sources aren't there in any practical sense.You gotta be trolling. Simple gasoline engine would suffice, it's a damn glorified excavator. The question of cost-efficiency would remain but power sources won't be a technological blocker unless you have retarded anime design in mind.
It's funny because he thinks he has any clue as to what he's talking about. It's because his mind is very simple. He unironically thinks a Patlabor robot can exist irl.
23834333>low effor
>>23834403>thread about super robot>what count as real robot?it was inevitable
>>23785887At first I thought that was one of the Frost brothers.
>>23785887He is extremely dependable even when he is on his deathbed. This man's plan has saved humanity. >>23785895The way it turns to color at the end of the episode makes it all worth it. >>23812681There are definitely shows/movies that abuse digital techniques and some that go for a more traditional look. For example, for Redline every frame was hand drawn before being digitally processed. Most Ghibli movies made in the digital era still used hand painted backgrounds. >>23812631>>23786402>AIPic related. >>23812696Nah, I like how Diebuster looked and felt. It could have benefited from a larger budget, some better color choices here and there and more shading but I don't think it should have looked like Gunbuster, all those fags that use "retro-style" filters or incorporate VHS style filters in their drawings like bluethebone end up making pretty generic products because they don't actually study old anime to properly understand how to make it look interesting.>because it was usually ugly as fuck.And ugly can be endearing in art. Scryed is the best example of that in my opinion, it feels stuck between 2 eras, yet it has an unique atmosphere that makes it really stand out. >>23812726Gainax 's first work, Honneamise, has some pretty fucking impressive machinery battles that get pretty close to that. Also the non-stop fights in the project Ako movies.
>>23840603>muh AI badAs much as I agree it let retard and lazy people spam and will be abused for money, we are basically in an early-photoshop era, with no one having good interface other than prompt.I expect future Otaking amateur "TIE Fighter" video to rival the animation of Honneamise, Gunbuster, Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTUAlso reminder that Jung is a genius.Rejecting AI just because is the reason Mankind stagnated for 12000years before Nono saved the day.
>>23840977>OtakingKEK shut the fuck up
>>23840977>Rejecting AI just because is the reason Mankind stagnated for 12000 years before NonoDon't invoke the name of a hero and amazing woman in your arguments in favor of soulless content generators, no AI that exists has a heart like her's, and until that changes I see no reason to view them as anything better than a lowly tool that no one wants to use for anything more than porn or an attempt to delegitimize or insult actual artists.
>>23840977>OtakingI could never stand that fag(even though he gained more maturity as he aged). You can keep preaching about Ai but for me a low budget newgrounds flash animation will always have more soul than anything Ai can do and it feels like the japanese that try their hand at indie animation agree with this sentiment. >Also reminder that Jung is a genius.She is a sentimental genius.
>>23840977>I expect future Otaking amateur "TIE Fighter" video to rival the animation of Honneamise, Gunbuster, Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne...I don't. No amount of photoshop, AI, cgi, etc will ever impart the aesthetic knowledge of how to animate motion and create inspired compositions. These things are not an exact science, they aren't completely grounded in realism and they utilize the most abstract parts of the human brain. It's similar to how AI struggles so much with real life driving because it can't just follow the road laws robotically since real life is far too dynamic for that.
>>23841183Is that a recreation of an actual magazine cover?
>>23841005>until that changesKey word dumbass, you won't see the change if you act like a luddite, letting corporation take ownership of everything it produces.We are angry against AIs because the slop it generate right now is still capable of rewarding lazy prompter with no standard, force-fed to you by algorithms you didn't bother keep control of.I just foresee the day when future AI tools will let proper artist (with standard) control every aspect exactly as they want it, reaching godlike soul.
>>23841183>low budget newgrounds flash animation will always have more soulThose tools were also considered soulless crap in the past."Nooo! you can use a cheap software to do what require dozens of soulfull artist!""Art was better in my time, we didn't simplify characters to be easily animated!"
>>23842530Lmao this is a new cope.
>>23841310>I don't. No amount of photoshop, AI, cgi, etc will ever impart the aesthetic knowledge of how to animate motion and create inspired compositions.We both know many of those "inspired compositions" you speak of with such admiration use Photoshop tools & Computer Generated Imagery.The only difference is their interfaces evolved enough to let the artists "abstract brain" express itself.Strange choice to take AI driving since it is purpose driven with a simple logical goal: go from A to B.It can always get better but when it fails, it's usually because of something you want to disappear in the first place.So yes, we are suffering AI-slop because we live in a shit world.The question is how do you make a paradise where that anon who can't draw to save his life, get tool that let him show he had unique talented in other aspects.
>>23842530>Those tools were also considered soulless crap in the past.Except for the fact that there was still more user input, the kind of input that allows for some experimentation, and the people making them were doing it for the fun of it. All the aifags are so obsessed with the end result without taking into consideration the process. Artists draw because the process in itself is also rewarding. Ask a painter if he would prefer to just project his memory on a canvas without touching it all.
>>23842548Someone drawing digital is not the same as a computer generating animation. Using AI is not going to gift you the knowledge of the skill of animation. You also obviously don't know anything about the brick walls self-driving software is running into. You aren't qualified for this conversation.
>>23841183>I could never stand that fagWhy not?>(even though he gained more maturity as he aged).How so?
>>23843010>Why not?Nta and I am saying it in retrospect but imagine experiencing the golden age of 4chan back in the early to mid 2000s and instead of actually enjoying it all you do is complain and throw childish tantrums about muh old anime(even though the early 00s had plenty of standout stuff stuff like haibane renmei and paranoia agent). I am jealous because I wish I got to experience that soulful time period myself and now I can only see it through the archives.
>Checked Models Resource early today>Surprise Gunbuster model uploaded.
>>23842632>Except for the fact that there was still more user inputAnd before that painters of old had to create their own paints.Clearly paintbrush were a mistake only rewarding the lazy and everything created with paintbrush is slop.All you are acknowledging here is that masterpieces of todays are made with tools that lessen user efforts with the potential for greater result.Some artist crossed the age, but they couldn't make animated video with music, or interactive game. We just forgot the equivalent of slop of the time.>Ask a painterI do better, I ask artists.>>23842987>Someone drawing digital is not the same as a computer generating animationDrawing digital is literally just a user asking the computer to generate imagery, counting on how the tool will react, hoping it is flexible enough to fix it.Did you even use layering tool in drawing software? No proper artist today work without this, or without automated gradient.Current generation of AI tools of today just have shit interface for proper artist, yet a low entry bar for newbies.THAT is what we are truly angry with.We let any retards flood us with slop while the tool-maker seem to want to control what art we are allowed to see.
>>23843458>Drawing digital is literally just a user asking the computer to generate imagery, counting on how the tool will react, hoping it is flexible enough to fix itThis is fucking retarded, like sating "DJs aren't real musicians because they don't play a guitar".
>>23843458No. Drawing a digital line is not the same as AI generating imagery. You're a clown to even try to make that argument. Complete bad faith posturing.
>>23785886It's really frustrating that newfags call Gunbuster real robot. It drives home the point that real robot = thing I like.
>>23843823>real robot = thing I like.So my dad is a real robot?
>>23843823Some people just don't like admitting that they think fantastical super robots are cool.
>>23843595>"DJs aren't real musicians because they don't play a guitar".Luddite anons are the one pushing that one. DJs can use digital AI tools and still remain musicians.>>23843806The only difference is how much control you have over the digital tool, and you know it. There's legal case specifically about keeping authorship of art generated with AI, https://craftaiworld.com/blog/ai-art-copyright-ethicsYou are mad because defending AI-art isn't made by artists is basically offering corporation ownership & control over everything made by tools they produce.
>the only difference between drawing on a digital canvas and procedurally generating imagery is how much control you have
23844964>low effort
>>23785886It's inspired by Getter Robo, what the fuck else do you think it could've been? It even has FTL travel.>>23786012I feel bad for Diebuster, it could've been great. Such a shame it ws, so much potential wasted.>>23811420True>>23811538Captain obvious.>>23811576Kek.
>>23812333What a stupid dumb fucking shit opinion you have. Diebuster sucks, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is the best and greatest anime ever made, and it isn't close. TTGL is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE ABOVE Diebuster. It doesn't have an "only flaw", it has almost if not all of them.>>23812377Boring nonsensical episode.
>>23812631It has more than one flaw, mainly not being Gunbuster 2 but FLCL 2 for some reason that most likely doesn't justify it.>>23812632No.>>23812665It looks like FLCL because it is FLCL 2, and Gurren Lagann looks even better.>>23812666I do agree that Diebuster looked good.>>23812686FLCL
>>23812696FLCL 2>>23812701>far more developed in its characters psychologyFucking no LMAO. Gunbuster had rushed character development that felt unnatural but it at least had a mostly believable human, Noriko. Nono was like a proto quirk chungus and everyone else was fucking boring character types that I've seen other animes do better before.
>>23828702I wish the same, but I disagree on Diebuster being good on other than the visual and auditive aspects.>>23828771You are an absolute fucking retard.>>23828849>refusing to grow up>rapeIt doesn't even have any consequence after than one scene.
>>23829028What is this? Someone please explain.>>23830336Getter Robo, my lord and my god.
>>23845508I enjoy Gunbuster for what it is, it is good and flawed and not perfect, but so is everything else. Diebuster is less enjoyable and straight up bad overall, but it has good things, I enjoyed watching it because it was a visually and audibly pleasant experience, but it is still bad.Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is the best mecha anime of all time, definitely one of the greatest anime of all time, but still flawed as everyone knows.The autistic faggot here is you, who doesn't even understand what he reads.
>>23845522Simon is boring, Kamina is overrated, Yoko is annoying, and everyone else who isn't a villain or Viral isn't even worth remembering, and nothing you or anyone else say say will ever make me like Diebuster less than your 6/10 series.
>>23845525Saying factually wrong shit and acting like you are right takes a lot of stupidity, you clearly have tonnes of retardation in reserves.The fact that you like an at best 5/10 series more than one which is at least 9/10 is histerically hilarious and makes all the redundant redundancy valid.You can go eat shit somewhere else.
