The faggots who make mecha content need to stop treating Tetsujin 28 like it’s just a footnote along with his other manga like Mars, Babel II and Giant Robo. This guy invented mecha and you scum glaze Nagai and Tomino for the thousandth time?
Yeah yeah we get it, you want to be a hipster in an already niche genre.
>>23842504>This guy invented mechaMeanwhile a random Greek created Talos at the time when people were still worshipping Zeus
Also, the tripods from War of the Worlds novel, 1898.
Has tetsujin still not been translated?
>>23842593Is that a bad thing?
>>23842612Well he is going to hell obviously.
>>23842614Hell isn't real.
>>23842617Neither is the moon but you don't hear me yapping about it.
>>23842617>le current year>still thinking demons and hell aren't real despite everything going on.
>>23842617>>23842622Alright children that’s enough off topic nonsense, OR do you want to be PUNCHED by a giant metal fist? Good, op’s post may have been unconventional but we can still at least salvage this thread
>>23842622Blaming the intangible because you are stupid only makes you more stupid.
>>23842600Only up to Black Ox’s appearance iirc. High quality scans of the manga certainly exist due to it being reprinted every year in color no less but no scanlation group or manga publisher has bothered to pick it up. Meanwhile Astro Boy gets omnibus reprints out the wazoo
>>23842626Ahem see>>23842625
>>23842630>>23842625Always hated GR's dumb head
>>23842637
>>23842544>>23842551The term robot actually comes from a russian play called RUR (Rossum's Universal Robots) from the 1920s
>>23842626>oi vey stop noticing how evil the world is goyimSloppy job mossad
>>23842655It doesn't what they are called. The concept of a super advanced moving machine has been around since the early years of Greek civilization. Hephaetos created his own mecha wheelchair and an army of automatons.
>>23842625Buy you are op.
>>23842770why are white people so hateful when using the slur for themselves
>>23842504 i was surprised how straightforward tetsujin 2004 was as an adaption https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwzssgTMFdY also fun use of space oddity for the broadcast version i cried really hard
>>23842504You don't need to put down Tomino, especially since his partner in crime Yasuhiko was very much inspired by Yokoyama. Particularly his 70s manga.>>23842629It's been pretty much left behind for about a year still at the first arc. Somebody commissioned a translation of the later portion of the Vogler arc and the Superhuman Kelly arc. Problem is, those translations are based off the Kappa reprints, which censored and abridged a lot of the stories.
Yokoyama historical manga > his mecha shit
>>23843271Isn't this the consensus opinion within Japan?>>23842781The 2004 anime is good, but it is not at all a faithful adaptation despite what this board continually insists.
>>23843271his water margin was quite enjoyable
>>23843394>despite what this board continually insists.Most of us grew up on Gigantor. Cut us at least a little slack. They renamed Kenji DICK STRONG.
>>23842600Tell GhostQ79 to release the translations she's hoarded along with Big X and maybe someone will.
>>23842825Literally all of Jap authors used the forefathers of the genre to create their own mecha>Hephaetus mythology>Talos of Europa mythology>Golem mythology>War of the Worlds's Tripods>Some obscure Soviet media that might have featured a giant robot
>>23843456>Most of us grew up on GigantorMost of who?
>>23843271BARBARIAN MECHANICAL C O C K
>>23842625>>23842630>>23842640Why does his head look Egyptian?
>>23843768That's racist.
>>23842640Faster
>>23843768Because:
>>23843456Anon is either boomer or a kid who watched Adult Swim.
>>23842504>a Yokoyama threadJoy. Haven’t seen one in ages.>>23842600Some of the early chapters have been but not fully. Somewhat surprising that between him Ishinomori, Kuwata, and Tezuka that Yokoyama would have and Tetsujin-28 exported in some official capacity outside of “Gigantor”.
>>23843557Sounds like there's a story to be told?Speaking of, whatever happened to Sono Na Wa 101? That's been halted for like what, 2 years, now? I remember Suikoden was completed in a steady pace.
>>23843926GET OFF MY LAWN!
>>23843557Am I supposed to know who these randos are?
>>23844217*Loch
The same guy who did those volumes of the Kappa Comics version of Tetsujin also subbed the first 26 episodes of the original anime, which adapt the manga up to partway through the Robby arc, give or take some skimming at the beginning, before the anime pivoted exclusively to original stories.https://archive.org/details/tetsujin-28-birth
>>23844212The Returner is HnK's main priority and it's almost finished.
Do GR and Tetsujin ever cross over?
>>23844403In the second Ginrei OVA. Shotaro and Daisaku were going to cross paths at least once in one of the unmade GR chapters.
>>23844238Big X is a tezuka manga
>>23844405I think they compromised by giving Daisaku a Kobayashified Tetsujin 28 lol
>>23844450Ken Ishikawa of Getter Robo fame did the design for that one lol. Daisaku even wears Shotaro's plaid blazer.
>>23844450 >>23844459 >Ken Ishikawa of Getter Robo fame did the design for that one you could really tell from the shin getter-esque torso design also from the one close-up where it has ishikawa eyes but there's no good quality versions of the ginrei OVAs that show it off enough sadly
>>23843588That's pretty much a suit of armor rather than a mecha>>23844567I fucking love Getter Robo
>>23843271I've always felt his historical and even his 1975-2001 body of work was immensely better than his previous work. Up until Suikoden he was moreso a author that used his acumen as a banker to closely study upcoming trends across entertainment and capitalised BIG on them; He accurately predicted the upcoming ninja booms and rode the wave, he knew there was a untapped market for girls' entertainment and followed suit. Many of his works during the 60s were legally distinct adaptations of British sci-fi novels/Hollywood movies.He wouldn't have survived past the 60s if he didn't carve a niche for himself with historical adaptations. His experience on them also informed his fictional ESP/Mecha stuff. Babel II and 101 have Koichi approach combat from a almost military perspective. Koichi vs Yomi is a battle of attrition and throwing soldiers and traps at each other instead of back and forths.I think most of all, his panelling and style rapidly improved, he had to improve to be able to depict traditional Chinese/Japanese clothing & weapons. His MARS-onwards era has some of the most tightest panelling I've seen from a manga. His line weight andoutloines also properly convey agility and force where needed.I notice the word "hard-boiled" or "cold" gets thrown around a lot in English discussion of him (a anime e-celeb or something must have said this to be repeated that much), but I think it's more he's honest about the way life sometimes comes down to. It's hard to argue this when most of this isn't in English and people only want to discuss him in proximity to Imagawa or Tezuka but Yokoyama became his own artist when he began making historical manga.
>>23846170*His line weight and outlines
>>23846170Quite accurate historically from what I gather as well, at least when he covers real topics like the Xiu Han contention or the Shiki. The Shiki was the first one I read mostly because it was short but it taught me more about Chinese history than any video essay did, that and it was a joy to read even if he dedicates two pages purely to showing the Chinese castration process.
>>23846454He was. He did lots of research by consulting historians, bidding for auctions to collect ancient chinese weapons & armor and even travelled to China multiple times. He went further than Yoshikawa's Sangokushi and ended his version with the dissolution of Shu as a state instead of simply ending at Kong Ming's death.He'd omit or alter events if he felt they hindered the narrative flow of the story or if they'd be insensitive to modern day Japanese sensibilities. For example, Liu Bang throwing his children off a carriage was cut out and his Shu-Han manga stops before covering his paranoia, as you will see when the ongoing translation gets there.>ShikiThe translation for that got cut short when Hox stopped scanlating, correct?
>>23846170>I notice the word "hard-boiled" or "cold" gets thrown around a lot in English discussion of him (a anime e-celeb or something must have said this to be repeated that much), but I think it's more he's honest about the way life sometimes comes down to. It's hard to argue this when most of this isn't in English and people only want to discuss him in proximity to Imagawa or Tezuka but Yokoyama became his own artist when he began making historical manga.Spending ones childhood in a WW2 bombshelter does things to a person.
>>23845379>a suit of armor rather than a mechaIt was still a prototype idea for modern mecha. A human inside an advanced, high tech humanoid combat machine rather than remote controlling it from outside. The book was especially popular in Japan and inspired so many mecha designers and IP creators because a robot man with a pilot sitting inside, punching monsters to death is just so badass.
>>23842504>glaze Nagai and TominoI have never
>>23847968If we're playing this game: Tetsujin 2004 is a good anime ruined by fugly visuals, Big O isn't even Yokoyama, and what Giant Robo actually gets right I rarely see anybody speak of.
>>23849076you just like giant robo because the idolmaster character designer worked on it
>>23849099Yeah actually, Kubooka's artstyle during the 90s is one of the best things about the OVA. Lunar and some PC games also have the exact same style! Though, being serious, the composition and placement of characters/"props" and the Voglers are what I'm thinking of. I only ever see people discuss Daisaku and his father when they're way weaker than the Vogler family storyline. I've seen this mentioned sparingly, but the use of lighting is also strong.>>23847968Ishinomori was the better early showa mangaka>>23846801True. I think his honesty and how he doesn't waste a panel are things I like about him. His character design sense is also pretty nice.
>>23849076>Tetsujin 2004 is a good anime ruined by fugly visualskys, seriously just kys
>>23842655>russianYou misspelled Czech.
>>23842551omg bruh.wav
>>23843588>>Some obscure Soviet media that might have featured a giant robot?
>>23843768Probably intended more to be derivative of the golem as depicted in old German silent films.
>>23845379Powered armor still qualifies as mecha.
>>23847223>>23849778I personally wouldn't qualify power armor as mecha. A mecha is a humanoid vehicle.
Hey so y'know how there are no high quality rips of the Tetsujin manga online?Well yeah now there are, & I put 'em right here. Freaking took them long enough.https://archive.org/details/yokoyamacollection
>>23850665Woah, much appreciated!
>>23850665Thanks, friend.
>>23850665this is dank af but ngl [Ocean / Morisawa Narazaki / Nara Prefecture Mobile Suit Gundam FC https://archive.org/details/zaku-ii-vol-2-garma-special-issue/ ] in the recs caught my eye too
>>23842504>>23842625>>23842630>>23842640honestly its surprising how decent the "Johnny Sokko and His Flying Robot" version of Giant Robo is, setting aside some of the quirks that come with early English dubs of Japanese works and their weird obsession of making the English dialogue match the mouth movements of the original Japanese dialogue, its surprisingly faithful aside from name changes>>23850665neat, though the in-progress and nearly finished Super Robot Mach Baron subs you're hosting are even more fascinating(hopefully it doesn't take too long for the final six episodes to get subbed)
>>23850665Thank you. For over a decade I've seen so many people come past here and other sites promising the world when it comes to stuff like this but leaving after milking all the clout they could get.It's nice to see guys like you and the chinese history scanlators just getting your heads down and actually delivering.
>>23850665Thank you so much, anon.
>>23851190The person who actually made the subs already finished them, I'm just QCing them & uploading it to my Archive account on their behalf since they got locked out of theirs. I'm just about to start QCing 21 today in fact!
>>23851190>honestly its surprising how decent the "Johnny Sokko and His Flying Robot" version of Giant Robo is, setting aside some of the quirks that come with early English dubs of Japanese works and their weird obsession of making the English dialogue match the mouth movements of the original Japanese dialogue, its surprisingly faithful aside from name changesoh yeah I hundred percent vouch for Johnny Sokko, iirc there's some random clips for time but they don't cut the girl is the gun wizard, and I'm pretty sure the only "uhh, yeah he's not dead. really" is the endthis is a really a very big spoiler for GR Giant Robo the 00s series
>>23852162From what I've seen 60's dubs were generally as faithful as they could get away with back then. It's only from the 70's when pearl-clutchers & ridiculous FFC rules made them have to be dramatically different from the originals. The only exception for 60's dubs I know of is The Space Giants, where it feels like they were only given synopses of each episode rather than full scripts, & had to make up the dub script from there. So the overall plot & plot beats remain intact but none of the specific dialogue.
>>23852178yeah iirc Space Giants HEAVILY edited it to the point a four episode arc would become three or sobut yeah there's a lot that's a very sincere attempt at dubbing it despite the stereotypes
>>23852193No the story arcs weren't cut down, all 52 episodes were accounted for. If it seems heavily edited that's only because the shitty bootlegs which are the only, ONLY!!!! publicly available recordings of the dub IN EXISTENCE constantly cut the dub audio in & out seemingly at random for no discernible reason.
>>23852152>The person who actually made the subs already finished them, I'm just QCing them & uploading it to my Archive account on their behalf since they got locked out of theirs. I'm just about to start QCing 21 today in fact!neat>>23852178yeah thanks to MeTV Toons* I've had a chance to watch a good amount of Speed Racer and Marine Boy and the censorship is pretty light most of the time*hopefully they'll get some other anime series someday, it'd be neat if they could get a pseudo Toonami block
I can only afford dollar store giant robo please send help
>>23842504Its just so dated and boring tho
>>23852351Yeah some would say some 70s dubs like BOTP were to adhere to Standards & Practices but some Gatchaman nerds will angrily fight that claim, stating how Jameson Brewer actively chose to pre-censor any content he felt objectionable.It'd be nice to see what other dubs they could put up there.
>>23855664You sound like the people who get into gundam but nope out when they find out that the original show was made in the 70s. Obviously the original mangas look rough compared to today’s standards but the concepts and themes are timeless.
>>23850665thanks anon
>>23843271I really wish his Nobunaga manga was scanlated
>>23855664I disagree. I'll digress a little from here: I think Tetsujin's problem with getting people to give a damn is that there's no clear identity of what it's meant to be about. A little boy and his robot is the only constant. 80s was in the future with space elements and cribbed heavily from contemporary mecha, 90s was a more juvenile version of the original concept with a kid taskforce, Imagawa's Tetsujin is a heavily repackaged "realistic" take on the series with the post-war realities in mind. And then you have several manga in the 00s that did their own thing.Like, you'd be forgiven for thinking Kenji and Shikishima are prominent characters but in the original manga Kenji disappears after the first story arc, and Shikishima only appears once in a while to give advice & upgrades. A lot of Tetsujin adaptations especially since Imagawa got his hands tend to take elements from the first story arc, probably because that's the most tonally distinct. There's a stoic boy detective and his emotional police chief trying to stop a robot crime spree and in the backdrop of all this are two gangsters who want to avenge their youngest brother (and also stop the crime spree but whatever). It's surprisingly human, and things aren't so black and white. That fundamentlaly ties into Tetsujin itself being neither inherently good or bad, it's a tool that can cause destruction or help people. Of course, the manga does continue with this motif too. The original Robby and Kelly storylines come to mind.Another thing is that T28 being the first of its kind means it doesn't fall into the same familiar conventions and tropes. Compared to a post-Mazinger Z world, I find it surprisingly fresh. The character and mech designs are also pretty good imo.
>>23842662Older than that. Look up the Metal Men of the wars between the god in Sumerian
Has anyone got the Moderoid Tetsujin 28 or Black Ox? How good are they? The box art for Tetsujin makes me hope they make a kit for Monster, I’ve seen shittier and tackier looking robots that they’ve made kits for.
>>23856336Can't find shit, you'll have to provide a source
>>23859120I have the Moderoid for the OG non-Sun one.>there's pre-painted pieces for the eyes so you don't have to paint shit>its legs can extend downwards to allow for more forward movement, but it's still less than 90 degrees>ankles can extend for tilting as well>somehow has waist rotation>no head movement but I can't recall it having that even in the anime>shoulders have butterfly joints>it even has an adapter for a stand so it can horizontally swooshLet me know if there's anything else you were wondering about, or if this is even the Tetsujin you meant. As long as you're expecting a figure of a fat dopy robot design from the 1800s rather than expecting a modern articulated figure, urine good hands. Tempted to get the Sun Tetsujin but I'd probably want an OG Black Ox if I had to pick one
>>23859196Nope you’re right thanks, I’m debating on whether I should get that or save up a bit and get the chogokin Tetsujin and Black Ox.
>>23855947You also get characters that were fusions of those in the manga (Tatsu Murasame + Dr. Black's subordinate Tatsugoro), or those like Otsuka's wife having their designs recycled for Takamizawa and so their later incarnations are better known than their basis.
>>23863341I couldn't tell you how Chogokins are, whether they're heavy display pieces or whether they're toys you can swoosh around, because Moderoids definitely feel like the latter. As well as like, posability. Oh also, the instructions for Moderoids feel a bit less intuitive than Bandai's stuff, so read them carefully. Tetsujin should be pretty straightforward though.
>>23863355I can't help but feel sorry for Tatsu, he's basically a sentient plot device in all but one adaptation (that mid 00s modern day manga) and people outside Japan think he's that fucking gremlin or he's adopted. It's ironic since Tatsu was Yokoyama's first stock protagonist design. I always found it funny how much he resembles a fusion of Joe Yabuki and Joe Shimomura. I personally feel the Murasame brothers and Kelly & Johnson are the most interesting characters in the manga, it's pretty obvious why most adaptations return to these two sets of brothers.>Dr. Black's subordinate TatsugoroI was under the impression the 2004 design was based off Jurota from Kagemaru, no?
>>23863484Apparently there were some doubts even among Japanese fans as to if he was a brother or henchman for some time since the original manga wasn't clear, and the Kobunsha Bunko conflating him with Black's Tatsugoro and saying they were the same guy (impossible, different designs) made things even sillier.I've seen the Jurota comparisons, which would also make sense with the "Murasames" there but can't help but wonder if he and the preceding later Tatsugoro were the same kind of star in a way that wound up replacing the original guy.The rabbit hole is amusing if I'm remembering it right.>Original Tatsu>Tatsugoro>is "Tatsugoro Murasame" in live-action>Jurota Murasame>1963 anime uses the Tatsugoro/Jurota look for its brief appearance of Tatsu>2004 repeats that
>>23863528>The rabbit hole is amusing if I'm remembering it right.This is mostly correct but I'll add some stuff>1955: Otonashi No Ken is the debut of Ryusaku and Tatsu, they appear in several manga together. Kenji debuts in a girl's manga as a troubled piano teacher. >1956: Tetsujin 28. Tatsu is phased out for Shotaro in Yokoyama's later stuff. Ryusaku and Kenji appear either as gangsters, elder brothers of the Shotaro-likes or both>Dr. Black's assistant>1963 anime uses the Tatsugoro/Jurota look for its brief appearance of Tatsu>Brothers named Murasame in Kagemaru>1975: Wolf Constellation's protagonist is named Kensaku and is a fusion of Ryusaku and Kenji, a young kid that looks up to him looks like a child Tatsu, Ginrei debuts as a love interest who later attempts to murder Kensaku>January 1977: Chapter 2 of 101, Ginrei re-appears as Ryusaku's subordinate, is a love interest for Babel but is a traitor. Ryusaku gets his 2004 hairstyle here>Giant Robo OVA has Kenji and Ginrei, Kazuma is mentioned in notes but internal doujin wonders if Imagawa changed his mind to make Kenji's brother Ryusaku but they prefer Kazuma (roughly "it makes sense if it's a ninja). Kensaku appears in the 3rd Ginrei omake with the love interest from Second Man as his wife and Shotaro as his son>2004 Tetsujin and Day Earth Burned uses Jurota design for Tatsu. Ryusaku has his 101 hairstyle and various designs>2007 Recapture Operation returns to Tatsu's original design and Ryusaku's hairstyle>GAO! has Ryusaku and Tatsu appear but with their faces covered as a recurring gag.>We are here
>tfw the Gundam crossbone guy did a Tetsujin 28 go adaptation
>>23867549>no nosengmi>>23863559>>23863528where are you guys getting all this info from
Has Tetsujin ever stabbed anyone with his schnoz?
>>23872052Murasame Historical Studies are a whole subculture of their own.
>>23859148Epic of AtraHassis
>>23872052Japanese twitter. There's numerous accounts that catalogue this stuff as >>23872135 say.
>>23869064The only Tetsujin 28 adaptation that actually features the Holocaust/post-WW2 Europe as a plot point too.>>23863559>Second ManWhat's that.
>>23842504Okay grandpa, nice water heater you have there
>>23874687One of his Esper manga.
>>23874696FX is cool
>>23874696>nice water heaterHe’s the best water heater there is!
