It turns out even Japan hates Nina.
>>23859454We love Nina.
>>23859454That’s not much of a surprise captain obvious, I remember a JP video on “most evil” Gundam gals and she was one of the top ones
>>23859454How new are you?
dude........if you were a chick, you would pick Gato over Kou too, no homo.
>>23859464Definitely not. Gato is already grey-haired, with a receding hairline. He'll go bald in 5 years if he continues to spaz out at the same pace. Kou is still young and easily-malleable into an obedient pet. He's also not a shit-for-brains /pol/tard and cares for ordinary things like friends (Keith never disowned him), workplace and romantic relationships etc. You know, like a normal human being rather than a genetic dead end whose head is filled with Stormfront garbo and suicide mission jerkoffs.
>>23859479>t. Kou
>>23859479Anon, I don't know what you think receding hairlines look like but that is definitely not one
>>23859479t. gets zero pussy
>>23859454There was that one artist...wcm? I think. He did a few sets of "Nina is a whore and gets fucked by everyone at Anaheim and their kids" images. Then again he really liked her.
>>23859454Yes, every country has mouth breathing troglodytes.
>>23859666>satan is a simp
>>23859454I think Nina was badly written. If she was shown or hints being a traitor/asset/spy for Zeon, helping them, leading on Kou and sabotaging feds side, the shitshow wouldn't be bad.Going full woman moment is just plain bad.
>>23859691Was it the writer or the change of directors that turned the whole thing into a dumpster fire?
>>23859816It was definitely the change in Directors. The first director wanted an action anime inspired by Top Gun. The 2nd Director was obsessed with forced drama and love triangles. As evidenced by his later works which all have drama and soap opera nonsense thrown in.
>>23859454By "Japan" do you actually mean general Japanese audiences or 2ch users and clickbait video makers?
>>23859454She's too old for their tastes.They only like lolis~teens. Adult women is like Satan for them
>>23859454I liked Nina
Gonna be completely honest this is the only gundam show ive dropped so farIs it worth finishing?
>>23860453How come they, like everyone, love Cima then?
>>23859458what's a Gundam gal?
>>23860502I've jacked off to Nina more than Cima.
>>23859521Keep on coping.
>>23860712>eyes suddenly turn a darker black at stage 8
Everyone has always hated Nina. It's not just JP. How are you surprised by this she keeps getting cucked and shot Kou because she's obsessed with her asshole ex. It's a testament to how many women think, and it obviously pissed the writers off so much seeing it happen IRL rolled that into her character.
>>23859454Stardust memory is contrived trash drama for the lowest common denominators. Everyone knows this since it came out.
>>23859454>Most realistic woman>Hated by nipcel
>>23859454Yes they call her the Purple Pig.
>>23862749She doesn't even wear purple!
>>23864175i mean, i guess this is more of a lilac, but
>>23860664Get help.
>>23859479anons face while typing this post (he had carrots in his rations)
>>23866521That smile at the end somehow pissed me off more then anything I have seen in a Gundam show before.
>>23866492>he
Did some retard on /m/ tell you otherwise?
>>23862506Her magically being fuck buddies with Gato somehow between his two militaristic zealot tirades doesn't even realistically fit in the timeline though.
>>23866534Seriously, fuck this bitch. I'm so happy that other fans overseas also hate her just as much. Though I do wonder how much do Japanese fans hate her.
>>23867524I wonder if that was a result of the change of directors halfway through the series.
>>23862749>>23864175>>23864256Her last name is literally PURPLETON.
Nina looks like my mother when she was younger and I hate both of them.
>>23868157Why not call her Purpleton pig?
>>23860553The later episodes get some great animation but the final episode throws all character development out the window for the female lead.
>>23860553It's my favorite piece of gundam by far
>>23859457Speak for yourself, cuck.
>>23866521Incredible post.
>>23868185What did your mother do?
Not familiar with her or gundam. Qrd?
>>23870311She personally betrayed her current love interest at the final moment and stopped him from executing her ex, who she then escapes with. Ex knocks her out and sends her back then dies in a suicide attack. Anything else you hear she did is just misogynistic lies
>>23868185And here we get to the root of inceldom
>>23866521Blessed post by this mad lad. :)
>>23870476You forgot to add her ex was a genocidal sociopath who basically got away with it because of her intervention, it's not as if Kou was trying to kill him because he was jealous
>>23870579And then you forgot Kou was court martial'd, sentence to prison for a year and then got demoted for his service cleaning up her mess.
>>23870311Bestgirl
>>23870485Yes, women ruin everything.
>>23868196Retard.
>>23870579Got away with what. What did he do that she was involved with, anon
>>23870668It's evident when one of the anti-Gundam shitposters is one, so she says.
>>23870693He didn't get the punishement he deserved and got to die on his own terms entirely because Nina stepped in his defense.
>>23859479>Kou is still young and easily-malleable into an obedient petAnd just like that you prove that its better to be Gato than Kou.
>>23868258WhyLegitimate question
>>23859479>>23870955It's hilarious because Gato was already molded into Delaz's pet.
>>23870665I never understood Anaheim Electronics in the anime. So apparently only hot women wearing business suits, skirts, and high heels built the Gundam? Where are the actual engineers crafting and assembling it? Don't tell me Nina was working in high heels while putting together the Gundam. I know Gundam is sometimes a male fantasy, but we gotta at least have some realism here.
>>23872344
>>23872344>Where are the actual engineers crafting and assembling it?They used robots. Think about it, these are giant robots, being able to mass produce mobile suits like Zakus and GMs would take a longass time in real life. So in the anime they use big factory robots to put them together.
>>23872157Godly music, art, and animation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s052YWHL_yU
>>23860553Not really, the only worthwhile thing you'll be missing is seeing dendrobium and neue ziel
>>23872344despite what nina says (some shit like "don't hurt my gundam") or what >>23870665 implies, the OL AE workers obviously aren't the ones building the actual suits - like in the real world, the engineers get nice cozy air conditioned offices and clean computer terminals while the actual assembly and work gets done by imported cheap labor slaves, paid under the table to ensure maximum profit. the only work we ever see nina do at AE is programming, though on the albion i think she has to help with the maintenance, though not wearing her AE uniform while she does.
>>23870665Nice thumbnail.
>>23859454Here's a challenge for you, /m/.How would you FIX Nina?What would require the smallest amount of effort/work to change, but would alter the way audiences react to her?
>>23872344Do... do you not know the difference between engineers and mechanics?
>>23872885I dunno if it'd be small work to make these kind of changes, but if we HAVE to keep the love triangle element.>Make it clear from the get go that Gato and Nina were lovers and have Nina be a primary spy/traitor in setting up Gato for the GP-02 hijack.>Despite her involvement it's clear that Gato hasn't told her the truth of what would go down.She doesn't have the full picture and it's made explicit that Gato just used her.>Put her in scenes where Gato's mentioned so she can actually have a reaction to his name. Also, whenever we cut from a scene of Gato chumming it up with fellow Zeeks, contrast it with opening the next scene back at Albion with Nina looking forlorn, compounding her feeling of abandonment.>Her initial hesitation then relationship with Kou now has a sense of tension. She lingers on Gato but is also genuinely falling in love with Kou, also feeling guilt in playing a part in the hijacking incident that got friends of his killed and set him on the path of being a pilot.>Work in a subtext about Nina falling out of love with her Gundams as she realises how they're used as tools for violence in the same way she was used as a tool by Gato>As we get to the finale, Nina confesses her past and involvement to Kou - play up the drama and make it seem like this is the breakdown of their relationship. Nina takes up the offer to evacuate the Albion and head back to Earth, before she exits we get Kou saying he doesn't blame her for what Gato did and that Kou still loves her. Kou's still on the brink and shooting adrenaline into his arms as he swears he's going to come out of this alive and back to her, Nina makes a tearful exit.>Finale we get a Kou/Gato showdown. Colony is still dropped, Kou gets court martial'd but holds himself to silence and doesn't sell out Nina for a chance at a lesser sentence. Final scene plays the same and it's a comparatively much more romantic reunion of two people put through the ringer coming back together.
>>23872747Nice face.
>>23872305Imagine romancing a spiritual homosexual. Couldn't be me.
>>23873109Nice non-sequitur.
>>23860553Anon, it isn't even that goddamn long. Just suck it up and watch it.
>>23873076OR.... HEAR ME OUT we drop the love triangle nonsense completely and just focus on action and chasing Gato. Maybe even Nina dies at the end. Gato possibly kills her and thus Kou truly hates Gato.
>>23872673When did she ever help with maintenance?
>>23870311She helped her ex to comit a mass genocide
>>23872885make Nina go full heel turn and own up to it without much regret.
>>23859454No, they don't. Stop stating your auto-hypnotic hallucinations as fact.
>>23859454My favorite part of Stardust is when they invent another Anaheim smokeshow who's functionally completely identical to Nina except isn't retarded just so she can advance the plot the way Nina is supposed to then kill her off.
>>23875473The reveal that Anaheim's development staff is crowded entirely by bimbos was quite shocking.
>>23867524Genuinely how was thsy supposed to fit in anywhere? It makes it look like they lived together.But everything else implies Gato hasn't given a shit about anything but killing feddies since at least Solomon, and no other scene but that flashback implies he even has of off switch. In fact Kelley seemed to be directly used to contrast him because he DID have an off switch.
Rebellion is better. At least the manga is honest about Nina being a crazy bitch.
>>23875359No she didn’t.
>>23859454I never saw her as a problem, I think it's just because otakus project themselves onto Kou that they dislike her. Her actions make perfect sense considering she's an unstable woman who could never get over the man she loved and can't bear the thought of him dying in the war. She literally tries to find solace in Kou, but the guy is a beta who will never grow up.And I say this as someone who doesn't like 0083. The biggest problem with Nina is simply that she wasn't given enough introspection and foreshadowing.
Kycilia>cima>nina
>>23876202>Nena>Quess>S-tierLooks like a troll list.
>>23859454Nina beat Reccoa for the most realistic depiction of a woman in anime
>>23859454Hated only by people who self-insert as the loser Kou. >b-b-but G-G-Gato was being MANIPULATED! He's a dumb stinky loser so Kou who was totally not manipulated is better. hahaha keep coping >>23866492 someone already posted it
>>23876198She was never portrayed as unstable until the affair with the enemy reveal.
>>23872886No. I'm retarded. Explain it to me pleas.
>>23876767what do you mean unstable? What's so insane about a woman being infatuated with a badboy, that's like the most normal thing ever.
>>23872885Nina is Cima.
>>23860664Cima is the best 0083 hag
>>23876202bretty gud evil woman tierlist
>>23876912>Age 35>I'm older than this hag
>>23859479>all those butthurt repliesJust shows how right you are.
>>23877073Gassing civilians ages someone prematurely. Try to avoid that and you(we)'ll probably be fine.
>>23876189Go watch the anime
>>23876912>Cima is the best hagFTFY
>>23877427I did. She didn’t.
>>23877073Hagness in anime is a trait independent of age.
>>23878336How do you mean?
>>23879167He's talking out of his ass, as most "hag" fags whose woman are only 30 at most and won't dare to waifufag actual hags.
>>23879193No anon, that's my entire point. What people mean when they talk about 'hags' is entirely divorced from what you in the real world would consider hags.
>>23877131She could gas them with her ass
>>23879193And how do you define actual hags?
This reveal is so dumb because while I can see Nina falling for a typical badboy I can't believe Gato would put his heart into anything that wasn't hating the federation.
>>23880947He needed something to occupy himself during his downtime.
>>23876202That doesn't look comprehensive.
>>23883354It's not. Note the conspicuous absence of Marbet and the Shuraku Team among others.
>>23880947>This reveal is so dumb because while I can see Nina falling for a typical badboy I can't believe Gato would put his heart into anything that wasn't hating the federation.It's funny because in the 0083 manga, it's revealed that Gato didn't really have a romantic relationship with Nina. He was undercover and visiting Kelly on the moon. Gato stayed for a extended period of time, and Nina visited nearby. She then just became obsessed with Gato at first glance. He rejected her love confession, but she became stalker level obsessed with him. They never kissed or had any romance between them. Gato left the moon later on and Nina because obsessed with him in her memory.
>>23859479GATO looks like Ryan Goslinlook at his face, the same face and eyes
>>23884916I'm sure it's more coherent, but I'm not sure if the manga deciding to double down on the weird swerve the OVA took is really an improvement as such.
>>23884934Not really. They have no relationship in the manga. They barely know each other. Nina is just that obsessed with Gato. I don't recommend the manga. It doesn't fix the problems on the anime. In fact the manga doubles and even triples down in the bad parts of the anime and makes it significantly worse. When Gato rejects her confession later another time, Nina even tries to commit suicide with a gun to her head in front of Gato to force him love her back. Gato refuses. Nina's friend steps in at the last second to save Nina when she pulls the trigger. Nina is literally suicidal in the manga. She wants Gato that badly.
>>23884949That sounds more like the fan interpretation of Nina than how she even is in the events that make people mad. Honestly I'm not even sure the people who seriously seethe about her treat her as quite that unstable.What an odd direction to go, when I would've thought it'd be much easier and more obvious to rework it so if you keep the twist her behaviour and motivations don't feel so out of step with who she is up until then. Plant the seeds earlier, have her try to take the shot at Gato but not be able to pull the trigger or squeeze her eyes shut and just graze him or something, it's not hard while staying pretty close within what's already there.Excising it entirely also wouldn't be hard and would only improve things. Shit, I'm pretty sure you could make a fan edit of the OVA that does it and barely even notice.
>>23884963>That sounds more like the fan interpretation of Nina than how she even is in the events that make people mad.Actually...the Director of the 0083 anime (the final 6 episodes) is the one who wrote the entire 0083 manga. Quite literally the guy who directee the 0083 anime is the one who wrote the 0083 manga. It's the story he wanted to tell if he was given more anime episodes to work with.
>>23884980Oh yeah I'm aware of that connection, which is why it's wild to me that he seemingly either at the time wanted to take her way further off the rails or has been malding about her ever since.Maybe it's more flipping off the people that don't like the direction he took her by making her even worse.What the hell did he have against Nina as she was originally written?
>>23884999I vaguely recall some old interview where he said his goal was to add character development to the story.
>>23884999>it's wild to me that he seemingly either at the time wanted to take her way further off the rails or has been malding about her ever since. I can tell you the Japanese did not like Nina's behavior and it comes up during 0083 discussions often. I don't know if the Director is aware of it, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did. No one comes back 20 years later, writers a brand new manga, and then goes even harder on the elements that fans criticized.
>>23885107Turning Nina into a walking talking woman moment out of nowhere is certainly a development, yes. He is technically correct.
>>23885471I mean, yeah. You can grow as a person, and cancer can grow inside (You) the person, so he and you are absolutely right, unfortunately.Regressing is a form of character development but we don't even get to see that in a sensical way for Nina. Would it be feasible to rewatch 0083 and just strain yourself and try to watch the first part charitably, interpreting things in light of the second half? Like, Nina's always been tormented about Gato or whatever? Because I genuinely do want to enjoy this fucking OVA, and in all other cases there's nothing shameful about having a woman moment in a Gundam show.
I watched 0083 after 0079 and I thought this was Sayla.
>>23885578What sucks is when they happen it's typically because of an interesting underlying character concept. Like Reccoa is probably the prior champion here, but she's got this fascinating pathology going on. You realise she's not so much invested in the cause as just having one. She's looking for either validation or a good death from one and the good death keeps refusing to come so until then she goes where she gets more validated. She's a great contrast with Emma, who starts on the wrong side but really is a military woman with a moral compass who values and wants to exercise her own agency. She is shown what she finds to be irrefutable evidence she's on the wrong side and she immediately does something about it, even though it's the hard road.Reccoa is so unwilling to take responsibility for her own actions that she carries out the exact atrocity AEUG was founded in response to, and blames AEUG for not showing up to stop her fast enough.Point is yeah, I agree. They're usually earned and interesting. What sucks with Nina is that you can really, really feel it's just a different person writing her as a different character all of a sudden. There's no meat on those bones, hell it's barely even a character assassination so much as a body-snatching.
>>23885591Reccoa has a hideous woman moment, but I really appreciate it and like her as a character. If anything, it's so fucking jarring how Emma's so stable and reliable even as a human being in general, let alone a woman. Like, I can't think of anyone else between 0079 to CCA who doesn't have some mental hiccup at some point. I guess for her it was being in the Titans to begin with, if you had to pick something??Anyway, I did read that Reccoa didn't even care about the AEUG, she was sort of just... there, until she wasn't. Like, imagine literally joining the Titans partway for any reason. Especially post-Dakar, or even when she was about to die in a Titans prison cell but hey.I'm glad you got what I meant by "nothing shameful about having a woman moment in a Gundam show" right away: with Nina it just feels like a writing issue rather than any human issue of a believable character. I want to at least be able to view it charitably and do whatever it takes to handwave away the issue with the writing, but holy shit. I thought the manga would be an alternative or improvement, but apparently everyone in the main cast shat their brains out ages ago. I JUST want to like this OVA, it's a very beautiful OVA with decent mobile suit designs.My friend said that it peaks at the literal gay montage and goes downhill from there - I'm tempted to just turn off the subtitles after that and see how things go.>tfw her character design isn't even bad
>>23885599>I JUST want to like this OVA, it's a very beautiful OVA with decent mobile suit designs. 0083 has good animation and mecha designs but that's it. Stop pretending it's more than it is. If this ova didn't have great 1990s animation, then you wouldn't care.
>>23860664that's pretty fair, Cima is hotter but I'm not into scat
>>23885591Reccoa>written by tominoNina>not written by tomino
>>23885599>t's so fucking jarring how Emma's so stable and reliable even as a human being in general, let alone a woman.That's Emma's flaw though: she's successfully unsexed herself, which is the core drama of the story*. She can convince herself she's become a man in all but genitals but slowly realizes that makes her deeply unhappy and flat: she only becomes a real person again once she starts to open up to Henken. *that mobile suit warfare finally allows for physical equality between the sexes in violence
>>23886191>Stop pretending it's more than it is.I'm not pretending, I'm just trying to salvage it somehow>If this ova didn't have great 1990s animation, then you wouldn't care.But my GP02>>23886237Oh fuck, yeah that's tragic in a more quiet way. I'm glad she got a good ending in the OL Haman manga.>gender equality just makes you a miserable and tragic soldier just like everyone elseGrim...
>>23885599I don't recall her work attire having a tar flap.
>>23886667It's her full armor variant
>>23859454The original director wanted an action thriller anime based inspired by Top Gun. Bandai was worried the lack or character development would hurt sales. So they fired the original director and hired a new director. The new Director (started around episode 7) said he wanted to focus on drama, political intrigue, and romance. It's why the show suddenly had a huge shift in tone and got super serious.
>>23886773There was very little that could be taken seriously about the series after the change of directors. They would've done much better to just maintain the show's original direction.
>>23886699The only armor gained was across he back of her shoulders?
>imagine being so hated the porn of a villain character that has less screentime outnumber your count by 10 times over.
>>23886773And yet the love triangle is hinted as early as ep 6…curious
>>23890895Not really. There was no hints until episode 7.
>>23891092>“Nauh”Great rationale
>>23891112Perhaps it would help if you specifically say which "hints" you are referring to?
>>23890865>[citation needed]
>>23886773So you're telling me Nina's one of the most hated characters in the franchise because the new director essentially assassinated her character?
>>23892689Sounds about right.
