What the FUCK is his problem?
>>23871042Go back retard.>>>/tv/>>>/v/
>>23871042Shouldve taken his meds>>23871044Are you stupid?
>>23871042Homosexual
Quess pussy just that good.
>You can fight for a better world, or for a better place in the world that exists but chasing one puts the other further out of reach>Chasing raw ideals erodes your connection to humanity>Chasing comfort requires participation in an inhumane systemHis problem is that he wanted both goals and he wasn't comfortable paying the price for either
>>23871042His og actor cooked his vocal cords by being irresponsible
>>23871042Terminal oneitis with no chance of recovery, can only be changed hands with the likes of Gigi.But at least his Xi's pretty cool.
>>23871042Literally went off his medication.
>>23871042Can't be both a revolutionary and drowning in pussy
fuck my chud mafty life.
>>23871640Its sort of insane that he has a healthier relationship with a ghost than the fortune telling thot
>checking threads and everyone's saying Mafty isn't good >mfw looking at the world politics right nowThe fuck? Everyone likes getting fucked in the ass until a benevolent king comes outta nowhere and sets a perfect dictatorship? We're okay with this?
>>23871671Hathaway himself is increasingly uncomfortable with Mafty and what they have to do. Every one corrupt minister killed involves minimum 100 other people killed, many of them are civilian bystanders who did not volunteer their lives for this cause. Everybody loves the ends until they have to actually use the means. Neo Zeon won in CCA, they got exactly what they wanted, and yet many of them at the 11th hour tried to help Amuro push back their victory condition. Being that close to and involved in the extinguishing of life is fucking hard. Also very real chance that Mafty was being manipulated by a fed looking to advance his personal position.
>>23871653>healthier relationship>Is ignored in life because she wanted Red Comet Daddy>Is told outright that she never cared for him in the novel as a ghost before getting executedAnon...
>>23871704>posting snippets of debunked plot summariesAnon...
>>23871308Qrd?
>>23871741>Still can't debunk being ignored by Red Commet Daddy while aliveOk.
>>23871765Reminder that this is a canon reason for multiple women to act insane in this universe.
THESE CARNAL DESIRES AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.......SAVE ME MY DICK IS ERECT
>>23871750Nozomu Sasaki (Hathaway) drank and smoke to where you get a lot of jokes on that, but the big one was screaming a lot while doing voiceover for a certain kids production. An anon here a while ago and some Japanese viewers have pinpointed it as Robotack. Blew out his voice box, and was told to not do higher, softer voices anymore.
In a droptop ride with you, I feel like scarface Like that white bitch with the bob, I'll be your main one.
>>23871891He voices the Davao cop guy.
For me, its Julia
>>23872399She's definitely up there.
>>23871794>>23872399>Hathaway trying to acquire vocel while Julia is constantly flashing her tanlined titsHe doesn't deserve the view
>>23872251It's good they kept him around some way. But yeah, believe he's only ever had two "higher pitch" roles since 1998, one was in a Thomas the Tank Engine dub of all things.
>>23872399Based.
>>23871042Tomino standin
>>23871042Newtype shenanigans
>>23872416
>that one scene where he just loses his shit and drops the coffee.
>>23872486>>23872416>>23872443>>23872607>Have a tan line girl walk around in loosely fitting apron and then later topless.>Don't even give us a nip slipBring back Tomino to direct these things, he'd give us the goods.
>>23872607So quick questionDid Julia die when the valiant was sunk and does the other girl die along with the blonde when the Alyzeus attacks?
I watched both Hathaway's Flash yesterday and the Nymph of Circe today. I have no fucking idea what's going on. Like how the hell did Hathaway end up leading an entire terrorist organization in the first place while Bright and Mirai thought he was studying botany or some shit.
>>23872653Emeralda and Kelia (who left Mafty before Valiant sunk) are the only girls who are confirmed alive. Rest are probably dead, but we will have to wait till 3rd film for official confirmation.
>>23872650You didn't understand the movie then
>>23872783the first and second movie literally explain this. He's not the true leader he's just taking the mantle
>>23872783Mafty was started and funded by a Fed minister called Quack Salver. When Htahaway was in college he showed himself to be extremely idealistic so Quack Salver saw a true believer with enough of a name/status and figured he'd be a good symbol for the rank and file to follow.
>>23872877Blah blah, carnal desires, crying in the shower, blah blah
>>23872783Honestly I've been reading the novels and it's much easier to follow. The movies have so many blink and you miss it. >tldr Hathaway found the organization during university and they use him as a figurehead since he's considered a "hero" in CCA. It's also hinted that Mafty as an organization doesn't really care for the space goals but just using it to assassinate political opponents for their mysterious beneficiary to climb up the ranks.
>>23872783In the second movie Hathaway and Kelia's argument has a line where she tells him that Mafty(the organization) is just using him as a figure head.The flashback where he meets Kelia show's Hathaway meeting Mafty people in college and getting radicalized.Hathway's Flash is partially Tomino criticizing college kids who get radicalized into flashy political groups and the futility of trying to rebel against modern military industrial complexes with fragile means.
>>23872399>>23872416>>23872443>no armpit hair on julia or emeraldathis movie sucks
>>23873179It truly is a shame.
>>23873185get me a good screen of julia or emeralda with their arms up and i'll either AI it in or phone a friend
>>23873192>AI it inNah I'm good.
>>23873194true, i think it would need a human touch but admittedly i am jonesing really hard
https://files.catbox.moe/ocntw6.png
i havnt seen the 2nd movie, does he finally get with Gigi?
>>23873233how have you not been spoiled for 4 months?
>>23873233>does he finally get with GigiBro, they met each other like 4 days ago. I don't think you can say finally, even if Newtypes go fast.
>>23873246>4 daysanon it's been 5 years, wake up.
>>23873239It took me a while to get over the absurdity of hearing GNR at the end of a Gundam film but I do totally get how they looked at the lyrics and said this was an appropriate pick, without the cultural context that makes it feel so silly.
>>23873043Reading the novel and I think I like their argument a bit better in the novel. Hatha seems like a HUGE bitch in the second movie other than the book.The novel has that conversation + "Do you hate me Hatha" at the same time when Hathaway is getting ready but he even thinks to himself later that "fuck maybe I went too far". Hatha in the movie though is a dick through.
>>23873252>omg like you just can't mkay? that song is like sooo cringe or something just don't sweetieStop being gay.
>>23873288Anon what the fuck are you talking about?
>>23873043>Hathway's Flash is partially Tomino criticizing college kids who get radicalized into flashy political groups and the futility of trying to rebel against modern military industrial complexes with fragile means.oh he knows all about that.
>>23873043>Hathway's Flash is partially Tomino criticizing college kids who get radicalized into flashy political groups and the futility of trying to rebel against modern military industrial complexes with fragile means.I think people are going to arrive at the exact opposite message today, even if they go through with the full novel ending
>>23871741which part was debunked? the execution or the ghost?
>>23872399This.
>>23873607There is absolutely no "Quess ghost".Needs to be emphasized over and over that Hathaway doesn't meet his end as some failure or have everything he did turn out to be wrong or worthless, he goes out with dignity and his actions are validated
>>23873300>>23873043>Said MIC is run by a jewish Zionist trying to recreate Israel on EarthTomino is a Newtype
>>23873402The EF looks like a fucking joke compared to the shit going on today. "They stole my joy forever" haunts my ears all these years later.
>>23873232>404
>>23874217my bad, didn't check before copasting.https://www.mediafire.com/file/kcvbmcseaku18lg/julia+saga+-+topless.png/file
Today is the last day to see in theatres in the US anons. Were you able to watch it (or more than once?)
>>23871042His opponents were "one job.." embodied. Must gut boring
>>23871042Not sure who I feel sorrier for: him or them.
>>23875231Hathaway a shit.
>>23872443Her Stand looks no different from her.
>>23875231I mean, both. He's clearly a very good guy, his people love him because of it, but he's fixated on the whole trying (unsuccessfully) to give up attachments to attain purity of purpose thing which just makes things worse for everyone involved
>>23874900Not that anon but I just noticed... That is a massive amount of extra weight for such a small knee joint to carry
>>23872251>>23872451The other cop is also a CCA bring back. Koichi Yamadera did Gunyei back then.
>>23875286To oversimplify things to the point of absurdity, he's an Amuro at heart trying to turn himself into a Char, when even Char didn't deliberately make himself that way.I like how Kelia knew who he was before all this, and that's clearly the person she loved, and just peaces out when it becomes apparent he's entirely determined to try and stop being that person.>>23874900I know they call Alyzeus a trainer but I like how you now have what can be interpreted as a proper chain of a proof of concept (stick enough shit on a mobile suit to make it have a TWR over 1 and see if it's useful), a tech demonstrator (here's our miniaturised minovsky flight system strapped to a current gen mobile suit) and then a prototype of the actual intended end result (here's a mobile suit with an integrated minvosky flight system).
>>23875295the MP Nu Gundam is not just for show
>>23872251they had to have wrote this as a wink wink nod.
>>23871042He's still mad at Amuro
>>23876127For what? He was hoping to kill char and only hates chan
>>23875286The fuck? Is it all a commentary on Gandhi?
>>23875395Imposters? Those anything like impostors?
>>23872399Is there some reason she hasn't got a shirt?
>>23876157Sounds more like Buddha, actually.
>>23876127I genuinely appreciated the moment when Hathaway is having his freakout and hollering at Amuro and Lane is just like "wut"
>>23876629Same
>>23873281bump, anyone who's reading the book found that Hatha is a bit more calm/collected and less of a sperg than in the movies? Surprised nobody really pointed this out
>>23873246>>23873233>>23873252if he did, the movie wouldn't even happen. Hathaway is basically running on impotent virgin rage
>>23877003he is not a virgin.
>>23877022>>23877003Hathaway isn't running on virgin rage. He is running on hating how coomer he is and how he wants to go volcel so he can focus on the grind. His oneitis keeps appearing in his head though.
>>23871671A benevolent godking is what everyone wants, the reality is we'll never get one and if we do we won't appreciate them.
>>238761562 gave me the distinct impression that he harbours a pretty deep shame over having killed Chan too.
>>23871042I dont want to sound like a massive faggot, but where the hell are you supposed to watch the dubs of hathaway?How long till netflix puts it streaming?My kid likes gundam but he cant read yet, and I cant take him to the cinema because he'll just get pissed after the first half hour and want to leave.>>23872584Who is the artist that does these paintings? I was looking at a char painting the other day and thought that the rx78 somehow looked incredibly sinister in it, which is something they tried to pull off with the netflix show by completely redesigning it and they still failed.
>>23877426Most of the 0079 paintings used during production for posters and covers were done by Yas, I actually got to see them live in an exhibition last year and they are even more impressive in person, the colors pop right out of the painting and into your eyes.
>>23877436Thanks anon, he has some great stuff ive not seen before, I need to order some prints. Seeing them in person sounds incredible.
>>23877447That looks like Koichi Ohata. Are you sure it's not him?
>>23877518it was under "yasuhiko_yoshikazu" on yandere, It could have been mislabled.
>>23877518Nigga it literally has Yas' signature right there, unless you are talking about >>23872584 in which case I have no clue.
>>23876970He's gained a few years since then.
>>23877078>His oneitis keeps appearing in his head though.Rent-free!
>>23877948Retard.
>>23875317>I like how you now have what can be interpreted as a proper chain of a proof of concept (stick enough shit on a mobile suit to make it have a TWR over 1 and see if it's useful), a tech demonstrator (here's our miniaturised minovsky flight system strapped to a current gen mobile suit) and then a prototype of the actual intended end result (here's a mobile suit with an integrated minvosky flight system).Where's the mass production model?
>>23875286>He's clearly a very good guyHe's not a good guy, he's a nice guy.
>>23877964Azel -> Penelope -> Xi. They haven't reached a grunt state yet and never will because SNRI mogs AE with cheaper mini suits.
>>23871042I was gunna watch Hathaway Flash but after seeing Char's Counter attack for the first time I never want to see Katz 2.0 ever again.
>>23878030If it helps he is miserable the whole time.
>>23871042muh dead female friend
>>23878030>hating on katz and hathawayseriously where do these people come from
>>23878752Ironic gundam fans are a majority in the us
>>23878752These are the people who call every single tomino story besides 0079 "zeonwank" because they genuinely dont understand that THEY are the media illiterates and they are exactly who tomino bemoans all the time for having a bloodlust.I literally saw people in the comments for the nymph circle trailer saying:>are we finally going to get to watch bright execute his nazi shithead son? I cant waitI've also seen people literally call war in the pocket "zeon propaganda" because these people are mentally ill.They are probably also the people that claim that say that turn A is a series about accepting transgenderism, which is fucking crazy since it seems like they never actually watched turn A and just went off a single clip of loran at the ball.
>>23878763>These are the people who call every single tomino story besides 0079 "zeonwank" becausedo these people exist in the real world or just in your head, because I don't remember anything Tomino being considered 'zeonwank', that's almost exclusively a label that gets tossed on OVAs and works not by him that try to amp up the coolness of Zeon or "both sides were super evil" the original conflict
>>23878763>>23879068I have also literally never seen anyone call Hathaway a nazi. I have seen him called many things, none of them that.
>>23878752On the flip side you get those who only love Katz for being "sexe shota" and hate Kikka for being a shitty brat loli. They all come from Anilist and are to be avoided.
>>23878752Katz sucks but in a way that's important and interesting, and I think a lot of people have trouble separating the first part from the second.
I finished reading the novels and jesus christ, maybe it's the film and people just reading into it wrong but holy fuck I just realized a good chunk of you fuckers have no idea what the hell you're talking about. I don't even know where the whole "acktually the story is saying that Hathaway's thinking is wrong. SEE THE TAXI DRIVER SAYS HE DOESNT CARE ABOUT THAT STUFF even though he clearly even agreed he wished Mafty worked faster to get rid of the corrupt manhunters!!!", I don't know where BRIGHT EXECUTED HIS OWN SON!!!! when that was a whole plot point in of itself. Honestly, I'm scratching my head at anyone who saying that Mafty is an evil organization when most of their tactics is to just efficiently kill the ministers and gtfo rather than cause chaos. It's usually the federation upping the retaliation that causes it. It's also left me feeling very pic related. Not just because of the quality but this is the LAST time you have a Tomino work continuing from the original UC crew. What a sacky farewell to this part of UC god damn.... Holy shit, the twist of the corrupt federation scum fucking knowing Mafty as Hathaway so they can use his dad's name to go SEE SEE!!! YOU BETTER NOT DISOBEY US EVEN ONE OF OUR OWN CAN KILL OUR KIN. Even worse with the final remark from Kenneth being "oh fuck maybe I should've let Hathaway and Bright meet before the execution" because Bright will keep looking for evidence and there won't be any. (although couldn't they just show him Hathaway's corpse? Guess it'll be a mangled bullet mess though...
>>23880140The movies are definitely making the conflict look more neutral than the novels, which just makes Hathaway look bad since he's on the side that starts the fighting.
I just honestly thought also the ending was sorta rushed. This honestly feels like the arc in Gundam where the last second someone saves the day except nope lol. My biggest gripe I guess would be Kenneth. Throughout the trilogy he's starting to get angry more and more with the Federation and only changes his gear AFTER he kills Hathaway and pretty much the Mafti organization with him. I get it's some irony but just having him slowly seething on how the Feds are and doing nothing about it because "just the way it is" feels a bit of an asspull. Feels like he only really changes because now the federation on his ass now even though that's not true. In a non meta sense, really felt like Tomino was going to continue than kinda wrote himself into a corner and went "you know what, fuck gundam, fuck the world, fuck everyone, fuck you."
>>23880140most people here (and online or IRL) will just regurgitate what some retard told them without verifying it for themselves. You see this constantly everywhere were people do it just to fit in or feel smart like saying ZZ is bad
>>23880140is it true Lane is more of an ass in the novel?does he job super hard in the final fight or is it more of a standard clock in and clock out style of jobbing?
>>23880252I wouldn't really know what you mean by that Hatha has him almost beat but he gets FRIED before he hits the killing blow. That's the last scene you see of Lane. He's just more shocked to see that Hathaway was Mafty (since he was seen with Kenneth). I'd assume he'd have a bigger piece in the third film but he does land quite a heavy blow on Mafty by killing Esmeralda.
>>23880252Lane's problem is already shown in the first two movies. He is easily distracted and rattled. Big on the lizard brain, low on the impulse control. When he's locked in he is actually an ace pilot but he is also the clear example that there is more to that than technical skill. He does get better and better about it every sortie, but Hathaway just has the headstart on that so he can't catch up by the end of the conflict. Penelope was made for newtype use, so that emotional unbalance could be read as an indication that he's a cyber which adds something to the story I think, but also dooms him to fail forever because cybers are fucking cursed in this franchise.
>>23880223I like ZZ but I'd put it in line as Tomino's other anime rather than Zeta, Turn A, 0079 which are way elevated. It is definitely one of the messier ones and I wouldn't even mind a hijinks type tone if they just didn't "actually fuck it we're back at it again after Leina's death". I was having fun with it...
>>23880252Lane doesn't job in the final part against Hathaway, he's on the losing end of their fight but he enters it with the Penelope already compromised, and even still Hathaway is momentarily startled by the fact it's moving faster against him than it ever had in their previous encounters even in it's diminished state
>>23880140>I just realized a good chunk of you fuckers have no idea what the hell you're talking about.first day on /m/?
>>23880140What gets me is I can see where the Bright misconception came from, someone who didn't know better could have gotten that from a shitty machine translation since there are words that literally say "Bright executed his son" in the book, if you don't know any of the context surrounding themBut where the hell did the "Quess ghost shows up to diss Hathaway and tell him she never cared about him" thing that got repeated by people for years come from? There's nothing even remotely like it in there.
>>23880199It is odd, on one hand, the place where it ends could absolutely have continued on into a downfall of the Federation type story, but it also hedges by saying the foundations it lays might not pay of for as much as a centuryThen of course the whole thing got put on a shelf and forgotten since animated UC attempted a reboot instead
>>23880662>But where the hell did the "Quess ghost shows up to diss Hathaway and tell him she never cared about him" thing that got repeated by people for years come from? There's nothing even remotely like it in there.That was all just completely made up. It wasn't only the execution scene. The story people spread over here is that Hathaway being haunted by a ghost Quess was a big part of the book, which would lead to that final scene. And, yeah, it was all made up.
>>23880662I sorta get it, there is a part in book 3 where Quess goes "YOU KILLED ME HATHA IF ONLY YOU SHOT ME ON PURPOSE BUT YOU KILLED ME BY ACCIDENT!!!" I can understand with some early rumors that got somehow blooped into what it is today with Quess haunting Hathaway and never cared about him.
>>23877426>Who is the artist that does these paintings?google lens brought me herehttps://spoke-art.com/collections/dakota-randall
>>23881173Fan-made posters and the like don't usually do anything for me but these are actually pretty fucking slick.
Is Hathaway an harem protagonist?
>>23881183What Gundam protagonist isn't a harem meister?
>>23878763Saying Turn A is about accepting transgenderism is wild considering Loran said he isn't a woman and thinks Guin is weird for wanting him to be one.
>>23881183>Amuro paired with Lalah>Char told to fuck off with Quess on the steam trainLmao.
>>23871042So many cute girls.Shame all the mobile suits are ugly as sin.
>>23881344A problematic ally, many such cases
>>23881344
>>23871042I'm just saying, if I had a short-haired oldtype gf who sounded like Saori Hayami, I would have gotten over my PTSD and repressed guilt in a 30 minute OVA, never mind a full theatrical trilogy.
>>23880349So kinda like Gyunei Guss?
>>23876612Didn't fall for the clothing jew
>>23881183Reminder that Lalah chooses Char in every timeline, and this is canon.
>>23881761The messers are decent
>>23882694If that were so she wouldn't be wearing the smock, the hat or short-shorts either.
>>23876612Equal parts fucking with people and the boat being super hot because to maintain cover they need to keep the energy signature down, which means no AC in the MS bay.
>>23871042>kocchi desu hasauwei...kocchi desu hasauwei...
>>23883470Bare minimum to be in mafty, no way around it
>>23878752Eh, I kind of get Katz even if he was just a boy, he never really got a chance to grow up unlike Hathaway
>>23880140>Holy shit, the twist of the corrupt federation scum fucking knowing Mafty as Hathaway so they can use his dad's name to go SEE SEE!!! YOU BETTER NOT DISOBEY US EVEN ONE OF OUR OWN CAN KILL OUR KIN.Very accurate to real life.
>>23884384Depressing.
>>23884387Yeah... I love the Hathaway movies but I think watching them was a mistake, they remind me too much of real life and I feel myself giving into despair again
>>23884581Stop smoking weed.
>>23871042
>>23871042realistically, Hathaway's problem is that he doesn't realize that he is privileged as fuck.he comes from a privileged family, his father is baiscally the head of a military organization, he doesn't have to struggle to live, his needs are always taken care of. when you are privileged and have no problems in life, you tend to create problems for you to fix, you tend to latch to ideologies that gives you chance to "fix the world's problems"in the real world, this stuff is happening where college kids join communist groups, in extreme cases, they join the terrorist division of these communist groups and die fighting the governmenttl:dr: Hathaway is a nepobaby who hasn't experience struggle in his life and drank the cool aid.pic related, in asia, the body of a dead college student is being transported. he that joined a communist group and died fighying in an armed encounter with the government. surprisingly or not surprisingly this happened just 700km from Davao, where Hathaway 1 took place
>>23884667Bright is so cheap he hires teens with magic powers as mercenaries. The best adults he can afford are veteran space soldiers with a rusted sedan and old weaponry. Hathaway is the columbine shooter or the Unabomber and not remotely comparable to college students.
>>23884671Hathaway is radicalized in college though, just the same as in real world communist groups that radicalizes college students
>oh the world sucks for people? >yeah but you're privileged so let everyone else suffer!wow great argument /m/!
>>23884722Oldtypes are actually in favor of scams and exploitation because they either "fuck you, got mine" or they've been the victim but they think their turn to scam someone is coming up soon and fixing anything would actually rob them of that opportunity to balance their personal scales, even if they were probably never gonna win that game. Most people think like that and if they didn't in their youth, they grow into it. That's just how they are.
>>23884667>realistically, Hathaway's problem is that he doesn't realize that he is privileged as fuck.No, he is painfully aware of his privilege, it adds to his guilt complex and is why he gets so distressed when he sees poor people in unescapable situations, sees the out of control wealth in his class, and hears things like the Taxi driver say he is too tired to care about long term issues.This is all to say, it only adds to his guilt complex and the feeling he needs to sacrifice more to compensate and atone for it.>tl:dr: Hathaway is a nepobaby who hasn't experience struggle in his life and drank the cool aid.This also does not ring true even if most of it was his own fault, considering the events of CCA and the impossible situation Mafty ends up in.>>23884755You see the dynamic a lot IRL, Luigi came from a rich background, the CEO he assassinated came from poverty and climbed the corporate latter. But in the end, they are both traitors to their Class. Truthfully? Always go with the Radicalized Downwardly Mobile Rich Kid over the Upstart Poor Kid who wants to be the next one with the Whip
>>23885024nohe becomes only aware of his privileged life when he starts making problems. normal people will never have any opportunity to ride a plane, or like meet officials and the rich, but he used his privilege to ride a shuttle just to look at the EF ministers so "he can see the faces of the people he will kill", such a selfish, self-serving motivation and basically endangered the Mafty group in Davao.and taxi drivers are a very chatty bunch, they will tell life stories until you reach destination, and only stops talking when their customer is a twat or someone who flaunts their wealth or being too self important. the taxi driver shutting him down with him saying he's just worrying his tommorrow shows Hathaway is too self absorbed, selfish fake intellectual that spouts environmentalism and doesn't realize that normal people have no privilege to worry about their environment, which painfully shows how out of touch Hathaway is and how much privilege he has.
I want to fuck Cardeas while Gigi watches
>>23885339based ugly bastard enjoyer
>>23884755oh my post was more on criticizing the guy shitting on hatha for being a "nepobaby" like lmao what does he want? only the poor to riot?
the whole "muh Earth" is nonsense in Gundam, well, at least in UCthere is nothing in UC Gundam that hints of environmental damage made by humans other fucking assholes who keeping dropping space colonies and space rocks. the food production capabilities of earth might be damaged, but it didnt cause an earth-space wide famine. people in colonies are still getting food. even in the 0080, where the kids are complaining about synthetic food, but that is excusable, as it is total war, so food and other resources might be rationed, but acknowledging that they are eating synthetic food again just means that even the ordinary people can eat normal non-synthetic food. In Unicorn, Audrey was eating a hotdog with lettuce, and in F91, there's a bakery baking bread, it means that people are not eating solely synthetic food and that Earth is not the sole food producer, there might be even agriculture and food production focused space colonies. otherwise, Full Frontals Co-Prosperity Sphere plan would easily fail if earth is the sole food provider, they can easily starve out the colonies to submission."but only the elite are living in nice places" might be true, but the spacenoids living in space colonies are not exactly living in squalor either. space colonies are mostly depicted in nice high rise buildings, or very nice surburban area, where Fa and Frau Bow who are commoners was depicted living in a nice bungalow. it makes sense though, as it is completely retarded to build a space coloniy, where you put peasants and build slums houses with corrugated iron sheets. so spacenoids are mostly living a mid-level quality of life living, probably higher quality of life than most people in real life.even Judau Ashita, who is considered a poor war orphan wears better clothes than the poor people in the slums in Davao where Hathaway went through.thats the difference of wealth of a orphan spacenoid to a earth peasantTLDR: spacenoids are living better lives than earthnoids
>>23885612I was arguing with some leftist about this who was insisting that Zeon was a liberation movement as the EF kept the colonies poor. He could not seem to grasp that people lived generally better in the colonies, only that they had a large tax burden (because colonies are expensive) and that the central government considered them last.
>>23885612CCA starts more directly hinting at the idea that the Earthnoid-Spacenoid thing has basically become a convenient way to keep people from focusing on the fact that the powerful are much more invested in themselves-others as the driving conflict.Remember, all the influential EF people already had a ticket off Earth when Axis came knocking. It was the common man who was going to do the dying to try and 'fix' a system they're just more victims of, yet again.
>>23885612how did you manage to miss the main conflict in UC? do you think AEUG (and later Mafty) was just bullshitting about Earth, to itself even?
>>23884667 >he doesn't realize that he is privileged as fuck.he does.>you tend to create problems for you to fixManhunters and corruption within Federation is not made up problem inside Hathaway's mind.>>23885289 >normal people will never have any opportunity to ride a plane, or like meet officials and the rich, but he used his privilege to ride a shuttle just to look at the EF ministers so "he can see the faces of the people he will kill", such a selfish, self-serving motivation and basically endangered the Mafty group in Davao.He acknowledges in the film that it was naive.>taxi driver shutting him down with him saying he's just worrying his tommorrow shows Hathaway is too self absorbed, selfish fake intellectual that spouts environmentalism and doesn't realize that normal people have no privilege to worry about their environment, which painfully shows how out of touch Hathaway is and how much privilege he has.just because poor people don't have the luxury to think ahead, doesn't mean that 'greater' problems stop existing.
>>23882707Yes, but it is alone in that regard
>>23885689the only valid conflict is the Zeon Indepence or One Year War, even then it was an over-reaction from Zeon who declared independence, then the EF says ok, but we wouldn't trade with you and Zeon's answer to trade sanctions is to wage war and drop a space colony on earthGryps war is the direct result of zeon being bitter losers and chucking another space colony on earth. then Char is caught so much unprepared for his speech in Dakar that instead of complaining about Titan's overreach, it became a speech that people need to leave earth alone, people need to emigrate to space and become a newtype, at least it worked since EF pulled its support for Titansthen Titans and AEUG bonked each other out, and Neo Zeon's answer is chuck another space colony at earth. then Char, starts spouting ridiculous nonsense about earth needing to heal, people need to go to outer space, and leave earth alone, by chucking another at least 2 space rocks at earth, again.the initial idea of AEUG wanting people emigrate to outer space was born from the romanticized idea of newtypes.there is no point in UC Gundam that directly shows that earth is damaged by mankind's carelessness about the environment. it is easier to believe that earth's environment is damaged because retards huffed too much of that newtype nonsense that was being peddled and started to drop space colonies and space rocks to force people to emigrate to space
>>23885612The entire point of the Co-Prosperity Sphere plan is that Earth isn't the sole provider. Earth needs Space more than Space needs Earth, but all the power is in the hands of EarthThe reason things seem to be ticking along okay is that a significant percentage of humanity did not survive the OYW. There are a lot less humans on Earth in the UC than there are our Earth today.
>>23885612How the fuck are you going to pay attention to details like the presence of lettuce and miss the stuff like characters' motivation and things they explicitly say about it? >Earth got overcrowded so they sent the poor people to space>Those who live on Earth and those who live in space view each other as separate much in the same way that British people view themselves as separate from Americans or Australians >As much as individual fortunes in both places might fall all over the map over the next 100+ years, the broad fortune of Earthnoids was better than the broad fortune of Spacenoids so Earth was viewed as a better, more desirable place to be, and those with the opportunity clung to it more tightly >Some people were still migrating to space so Earth's population increase slowed down but it didn't stop>The original overpopulation problem appears again, not just in feeding Earth's population but deforesting land that wildlife lives in, polluting waters, and all the other things you hear about in your real life>Char's dad is a hippy and says we should all move to space voluntarily as a favor to Earth so the fish and the beavers and everything can live a happy life without us>Char just wants Amuro to kill him, but he needs an army so he rallies them around this idea that "Separate but equal never works out. As long as there are both Earthnoids and Spacenoids one will abuse the other. Everyone should live in the same place and it can't be Earth so let's force everyone to space.">Hathaway says "Actually they were both kind of right. People with the means will leverage their power to gain more power and use their money to buy more money. Because of the way the Universal Century started, that resource snowball got a headstart in the Earth Federation Government. As they take more and more for themselves they leave less and less for everyone else and even if it doesn't cause a mass starvation incident in my lifetime or even my children's, it's coming."
>>23885739>Gryps war is the direct result of zeon being bitter losers and chucking another space colony on earth.are you talking about 0083? that's practically a non canon OVA>Char is caught so much unprepared for his speech in Dakar that instead of complaining about Titan's overreach, it became a speech that people need to leave earth alone, people need to emigrate to space and become a newtype, at least it worked since EF pulled its support for Titanshe did both, complain about Titans and talk about leaving Earth's cradle. It was former with Jerid's bad stunt that caused Titans to get defunded.>the initial idea of AEUG wanting people emigrate to outer space was born from the romanticized idea of newtypes.They wanted to save earth from deteriorating and oppose Titans who were gassing colonies and trying to establish Earthnoid supremacy.>there is no point in UC Gundam that directly shows that earth is damaged by mankind's carelessness about the environment. it is easier to believe that earth's environment is damaged because retards huffed too much of that newtype nonsense that was being peddled and started to drop space colonies and space rocks to force people to emigrate to spaceare you speedwatching or just a feddie shill? they repeatedly tell and show the environment being fucked, Dakar is shown to be undergoing desertification, Federation has a serious problem of sustaining the population so they don't care about Dublin colony drop as it means less mouths to feed.
>>23885765>Char just wants Amuro to kill himI wouldn't say that.... it's such a small petty thing he does that makes people think is his whole motivation for everything. never get why people blow this out of proportion. he's quite complex.
>>23885780You're right that it's not just that. It's a general midlife crisis thing but all the same, he didn't want to buy a sports car so he started a war based on a cause he didn't believe in.
>>23885779>that's practically a non canon OVAStopped reading there.
>>23885787>he started a war based on a cause he didn't believe in.he definitely believed in the cause, that's like his one key motivation since the end of 0079.
>>23885787It's not that he didn't believe in it, it's that going back as far as 0079 at the pre-production stage, a character trait of Char He entirely loses sight of his vendetta against the Zabis because of Amuro, he fucks off in Zeta without seeing the conflict to it's end, then again ends up fixating on Amuro to a fault
>>23885779characters can say what they want, but if the world shows the opposite of what they are claiming, the characters are just hypocrites and idiots that don't know what they are talking about.characters in Gundam are saying that the earth needs to heal, earth is being destroyed by humans, but Jaburo (Amazon) is still a huge rainforest, just with a EF base underground, earth is mostly still green, just with wreckage from OYW and space colonies chucked by zeon.even in Hathaway, the Davao seas and oceans are very clean. the city is mixed with greenery and high rise buildingsin fact the only definite polluted area shown is actually the slums in Davao, where illegal spacenoids who smuggled entry to earth.so, these spacenoid characters like Char and Hathaway who spout nonsense bullshit that people need to emigrate to space earth needs to heal are ignoring the fact that the spacenoids are causing the earth pollution in the first place.its like the small population of illegal spacenoids immigrants are causing 50% of earth's pollution
>>23885787he did believe in the cause tho. :/
>>23885814You are retarded.
>>23885814ok feddie.
>>23885814>Climate change isn't real, I had to ear a jacket a couple months ago. Every summer is hot!
>>23885835>>23885838>can't refute the facts.there are reasons why poor people were ejected from earth to space, they can't take care of their own surroundings. if they don't get their way, they throw a tantrum and then chuck space colonies and space rocks to earth and once they smuggled themselves back to earth, they immediately start shitting the place up.
>>23885814cant it be argued that the places that are clean tends to be where the federation prioritizes for the elites and where they tend to have military bases because the wreckage from colonies made other places unsuitable for their use? granted jaburo was done before the drop but the eff tends to place other military installations at an arms length from upper class areas. the whole manhunter thing is probably made because they want to kick poor people out before their slums start taking real estate.
>>23885856It's also fully possible for the Earth to be fucked up in ways that don't make it instantly Mad Max tier or super visibly not right in a day-to-day sense if you don't have a frame of reference. Which is what you'd expect for the climate.Not everything's always going to be as easily visually demonstrated as 'here's where Sydney isn't'.
>>23885856>>23885860Keep in mind the same things can be said in real life and Oldtypes found it very easy to look the other way the last few decades. If you know where to look you can see both on the Sides and on Earth a realistic quiet desperation of poverty that's barely hidden through well funded Government Enclaves.>>23885787>>23885780There is also a heavy subtext that a PS1 game confirmed that Char all but adopted Kamille as a Son during Zeta and saw in him the best hope for the Future for both Earthnoids and Spacenoids and Kamille's mind break was the breaking point for Char that had him fully blackpill. If you watch the Speech his gives in Zeta Gundam, his ideals never changed, he just wanted to do them incrementally and peacefully at first.
>>23885860technically, we have a frame of referencetechnically UC started in 2045 and in Hathaway, it is UC 105, so it would be 2150 if we convert it to AD calendar. so, if we analyze the places where Hathaway was in movie 1, it can be argued that the infrastructure and buildings for commoners would be equivalent to 2010s-2020s, and the hotels and buildings for the rich and elite are like advanced like built in 2100sbasing on that, you cab surmise that the pollution in the slums depicted in the movie would be similar in real life today, so the pollution and slums in the gundam world would be like this
>>23885975Someone told me UC starts 2510AD?
>>23885612>muh EarthThat's mother Earth.
>>23885944>joins a terrorist cell in their crusade to exterminate the strongest arm of the EF's military>peacefully
Just watched the movie, are all three of them dead? Say it ain't so
>>23885024>Always go with the Radicalized Downwardly Mobile Rich Kid over the Upstart Poor Kid who wants to be the next one with the WhipI think once you start thinking like this you ignore the problem, the issue is anyone wanting to be the next one with the whip not the starting position that brought them there. Its the same logic in gundam as whenever the adults tell the protagonist that this is just how it is instead of addressing the reality of the issues corruption, propaganda, etc. >>23884755 hit the nail more directly addressing the element of humanity that needs to be surpassed if anything is to be actually done you have to basically evolve past our current nature and fears and fix the things and surrender your turn at opportunity to advance as a greater whole. I would add the issue is sociopath/psychopaths have dominated and made there way of life the only way to progress. Solution We need more autist to breed and make space autist
>>23885612I just got out watching Hathaway 2 and I kinda agree. It's pretty clear that Gigi's patron, the Ministers that are based in space and quite a number of the Federation personnel don't think too highly of living on Earth.But knowing where UC is heading and what I assume is the big announcement out of the Adelaide conference, is that the Earth Federation elite wants to retreat from space. And in the process of making Earth a desirable playground of the elite, they're using brutal methods to expel undesirables from it.
>>23871042Finally caught the movie at the kinoplex. Why did so many Mafty cuties have to die?Also, did Kelia slowly change her hairstyle to be less attractive over time to get Hathway's attention? She actually wasn't bad-looking at all in the flashback.
>>23887069No, she is just a female character that undergoes character development twice too close together. They are required to cut their hair each time.
>>23871042this >>23871055plus getting laid
>>23887081NT pussy to be exact*
>>23886850It's over, one got fried by laser weaponry, the other two either got torpedoed or became fish food
Just finished the movie, tomino has a peculiar view of women isn't he
>>23886850Unconfirmed. Left most likely, middle and right MIA after the boat going down.Not a great time no matter what, really.
>>23887629Tomino didn't do shit.
>>23887069>Finally caught the movie at the kinoplex. Why did so many Mafty cuties have to die?Because the world is cruel
>>23886687You know what? Fair. I meant 'peaceful' as in working semi-within the system to take it over, not destroying the Entire Earth.On that Note, does Noa Senior ever grapple with the fact the AEUG was just Mafty-Lite and his son is basically following in his Footsteps, or does the Cognitive Dissonance kick in?
>>23872486Asahina Arumi sure grew up (but not that much).
>>23887639Fortunately that's not Bright, that's an imposter.You can tell by his eyes.
>>23887639Unclear, whatever works best for you. The next UC entry chronologically is F91, taking place 20 years after Hathaway was an attempt to soft reboot UC Gundam and was made during the height of Tomino's shame over Hathaway so there is no follow up.
>>23887632He wrote the novels
>>23886850The right one, Betchy is alive. She only appeared in part 3 in the novels, but for some reason they already introduced her in part 2 for the movies. I guess they want the audience to build some familiarity to her, much like what they did with Julia in part 1.
I think what happened is basically earth has become like Dubai. very nice and expensive place to live in, so only rich and elite and political figures can only live comfortably in it. protected by the EF for the places with EF bases. other places in earth like Hong Kong which doesn't have an EF base is most likely special districts, owned and developed to megacities by huge conglomerate companies like Luio (they're small compared to Anaheim, but they're still a huge company)and the remaining are like whole industries built just to support all the EF and these special district places by all the middle class. and then outside of the whole system are the illegal spacenoid immigrantsand then it becomes weird. because by Victory and Zanscare comes rolling around in earth, the earth has reverted back to 1800s european style architure
>>23887639novel does not give his reaction after mafty is exposed as hathaway.also,>expecting 'not so-bright noa' to actually think when all he has ever done since zz is to keep sucking federation's cock
>>23871042>Haters in shambles>This RX-105 got me movin' like an invasive species>That elite pussy turned me into a radical>This shit ain't nothin' to me manHope that helped!
>>23885612>>23885626>Zeek stans arguing about muh oppressionlol, always cracks me up
>>23884172I don't recall Quess being that tall.
>>23888432heels add extra inches.
>>23887983>because by Victory and Zanscare comes rolling around in earth, the earth has reverted back to 1800s european style architureDamn, that implies Legends of the Galactic Heros tier "cleansing" of Earth
>>23887993>novel does not give his reaction after mafty is exposed as hathaway.I wonder how the Movies will handle it
>>23888496It's not his story so I hope they don't show it. Makes that hit harder, as the possible reaction in our mind is way more heartbreaking and sadder than what we might see.
>>23887632murase made hathaway 2 like a coming of age film on tomino's request.
>>23875317>>23875286I kind of wonder if Hathaway's complex about trying to purify himself of his carnal desires is to avoid becoming like Char. After all, we all know that Char was too consumed by his ego and grudges and it fucked him over in the end.
>>23888808No, it's because he has a harem that is trying to keep him from focusing on his ideals. He wants to do the equivalent of "ignore bitches, acquire currency" but keeps giving in to the women.
>>23888808I think it's more him acknowledging how naive and impractical his ideals are to achieve for normal, emotional humans, mixed with his ptsd and guilt regarding what happened in CCA. iirc he and Gigi basically talk about that in the first movie, where she tells him to become a god or whatever.
>>23888494I wouldn't there was cleansing of earth, but in general, Europe in UC Gundam has been very weird.first, what is Mquve mining in Odessa? Odessa to Ukraine to Dnipro, the most you could mine in that region is iron, oil and uranium, iron is useful for OYW MS since even Gelgoog is still using super hard steel alloy, but loses to luna titanium. oil is mostly useless since everyone is using Helium3. so what did Mquve mine there that he could claim they can fight the war for decades?In the matter of Kassarelia,Woowig(Prague), have a lot of pre-UC architectures/facilities. it can means a few things, it can mean that the region has been designated historical preserve so the area didnt develop and stayed as mainly pre-uc region. the other is that probably there is no EF politician that want Europe as their playground, so the region hasn't seen development compared to what we see in other UC Gundam shows
>>23889977When did we get to the Czech Republic?
>>23889987Katejina is from Czech Republic, thats why she's a crazy bitch
>>23889977>The "Magnet Metals": Neodymium, praseodymium, dysprosium, and terbium (essential for permanent magnets in electric vehicles, wind turbines, and defense systems).>Electronics & Catalysts: Cerium, lanthanum, yttrium, samarium, and gadolinium (used in optics, lasers, medical imaging, and electronics).>Other REEs present: Erbium, holmium, lutetium, thulium, and ytterbium.>While not strictly part of the 17-element rare earth group, Ukraine holds massive deposits of other strategic metals and minerals that are rare in concentration and highly coveted globally:>Scandium: Ukraine holds significant but often classified reserves of scandium. It is predominantly sourced as a byproduct of iron ore processing and uranium leaching, and is used in aerospace manufacturing, solid oxide fuel cells, and sports equipment.Lithium: Ukraine holds one of Europe’s largest untapped lithium reserves (estimated at 500,000 tons), which is critical for EV batteries.>Titanium: Ukraine possesses Europe's largest titanium reserves, accounting for roughly 7% of the world's supply.>Uranium: Ukraine holds Europe’s largest uranium reserves, making it essential for nuclear energy and depleted nuclear products.>Gallium & Zirconium: Ukraine ranks among the top global producers of gallium (used in semiconductors) and has rich zirconium deposits (vital for nuclear and aerospace applications).>Graphite: Ukraine accounts for roughly 20% of global graphite resources, heavily concentrated in the central and western regions (such as the Zavalie area).Beryllium & Niobium/Tantalum: Important for telecommunications, electronics, and aerospace alloys.Almost all of this would be pertinent to Zeon's gravity front since it'd mean they wouldn't need to play hot potato shipping everything in from space on HLV's hoping they don't get shot down.
>Hathaway, you sure do like girls with hair like this, don't you? <3>See~ you can't keep your eyes off of me..
>>23890856>>23891106why does hathaway get so many hot bitches on his dick damn
>>23891106Why does he look like a deer in the headlights?
>>23891565he spends a decent chunk of the second movie agonizing over wanting to be pure of mind and running the organization properly but he keeps getting distracted by all the women around him as well as dealing with relationships with some of themdeer in headlights is just the classic "frozen and don't know how to respond" thing
>>23891565Traumaboner. She's loosely cosplaying as Quess for him. It's blocked out by the censors but his cock is rock hard as she plays with his balls.
>>23891654Hot
>missed the Hathaway showingsPlease tell me that the movie was cheery and dogshit
>>23891942Firmly a tragedy but, also kinda dogshit. It is episodes 5 through 8 of an excellent anime series that I would binge and shill for, but somehow really bad at specifically being a movie.
>>23891951The Uluru fight on the big screen was worth getting to one of the two IMAX showings for though.As much as it doesn't help anon to hear it.
>>23891951Thank you, the first movie was a slow buildup that I appreciated for what it was doing but also felt rather slow and uneventful, it sounds like the second movie was similar, even though I would have made the most of what it was. I swear I read people saying that the Imax definitely helped to put you inside Hathaway's mindset and setting of being in a warzone and being unable to focus on the horrible horrible casualties>>23891953Man...>warmed up to the ugly stupid Alyzeus and wanted to see it in action>was ready to see more of Hathaway's traumaAnons I am so sad
>>23891951Yeah, ironically this would've been better as a 24 episode series
>>23891959Non-zero chance it gets another screening when Hathaway 3 comes around. Failing that, it'll still be a good watch on a good home setup.It sucks but it's not something worth losing sleep over.I've also heard very good things about films in VR on modern higher performance headsets, haven't actually tried it myself despite having been on board since the original Vive. I'll also just say that when I talk about seeing it at IMAX I'm talking about the literal biggest screen in the world that maybe 300 people saw it on between both screenings. I don't say this to brag, but just so you know I'm not talking about some 'everyone is in the club but you' experience. I was exceptionally fortunate to be able to.
>>23891942It was amazing, the best I've experienced in years and honestly way worth going to an IMAXx3-DoubleWhammy Triple Soundsystem. This is just a rumor for now but the blurays will be a revised version with puppets and gunpla stop motion instead of animation so I'd hate myself if I missed the theatrical version in theaters.
>>23891991>revised version with puppets and gunpla stop motion instead of animationGod I'd absolutely watch the shit out of that.
>>23891995miniature explosions with smoke and sparkler candles and firecrackersthe Xi and penelope being lifted into the air with fishing wirethe mafty girls in supermarionation
>>23892005>mafty girls in supermarionationPuppet tiddies.
>>23892005>5>4>3>2>1>MAFTY ARE GOYou know I'm beginning to understand why some people felt the OP sequence was out of place.Though now I'm also troubled by the implications of Penelope as a mobile suit.
>>23891986I don't think the first one got a screening here, so I'm not optimistic. But on the other hand, the third movie will be the most eventful I think, so as long as I catch that one I guess it'll be okay. I missed out on the collector's cards though.Are there different kinds of Imaxes? I could have watched it on regular Imax>>23891991You are a mean bully and I hope horrible horrible but mild inconveniences happen to you
>>23892014>Are there different kinds of Imaxes? I could have watched it on regular ImaxYes. Annoyingly the company brands them all the same. IMAX in the old school sense means a massive dedicated building set up for their full scale 1570 projectors. Hathaway wasn't on 1570 obviously but all those have been converted for dual use with one of the newer digital projector setups too. Here ours is built into a massive dedicated excavation under and run by a museum.What you'll sometimes see called 'lieMAX' is what you'll get as a premium cinema at a standard kinoplex. It's a converted conventional cinema with one of their digital or laser projectors at the back. Still usually a good experience but not at all the same thing.Also on the size thing, Germany's is wider but ours is taller. That's the other fun thing about proper IMAX screens, they aren't actually a standard size or even quite a standard aspect ratio.
>jobs a 2v2Huh, are Mafty pilots just bad? They're being carried hard by Hatha and Gawman
>>23892025Yeah, it might have been a regular Imax thing, although I swear Imax was an extremely gigantic screen (for you) and extremely loud sound, but it might have just felt bigger as a kid.Apparently the one I would have gone to has a 1:90 screen ratio if that means anything to you, but I see other people complaining about it, so it probably wasn't that big of a size, and I definitely don't remember being overwhelmed by the experience.
>>23892040iirc real IMAX is really fucking big, it's just they've gotten cheaper over the years so a newer real IMAX is lamer last time I hit a real IMAX was that CG Beowulf a while back
>>23892039I wonder if the choice to go with Ayers' Rock instead of Uluru was a conscious choice in portraying Earth Federation or just a lack of knowing/caring. They did location scouting here so I suspect they're probably aware of the name thing.I think the official policy is that it's both but Uluru is the preferred one these days. It's just such a perfect little detail to use real history to comment on the way that the Earth Federation treats Earth that it could go either way.
>>23892347The penultimate chapter of vol 2 is literally titled Uluru and begins with the following.>Before the white men began to corrode this vast continent, the Aboriginal people called it "Uluru," a sacred land with Ayers Rock and Mount Olga standing tall
>>23892039Weren't those guys aces from previous wars?
>>23892039oh so the Gustav guys aren't jobbers in this one? didn't like how incompetent they appeared to be in movie 1
>>23892380I haven't read the novel obviously, but the symbolism around using Australia in general and Uluru in particular struck me as the kind of thing Tomino would do intentionally.That's really cool attention to detail then, the degree to which the film production is firing on all cylinders is absurd.
>>23871042his dad didn't love him enough.
>>23892611what makes you say that
>>23892448There are a couple of Gustav's explicitly said to be piloted by veterans that give the Xi a bit of a fight.
>>23892729dad works for establishment unironically, kid becums terrorist rebelrebel. this indicates bad familia ties.
>>23892729ZZ says it, and ZZ is based
>>23893225His dad was an anti-establishment terrorist for most of his formative years that he can actually remember, though, and had to be pardoned by the establishment after the fact.This is also why MAFTY is patterned after Karaba and the AEUG in terms of organizational structure. There are even parallels in the characters in Hathaway's crew to the ones featured in Zeta and ZZ.>>23893258>It's been forever since I've seen my son since I became a terrorist and my family had to go into hiding, and I am THIS close to cheating on my wife with this hot fucking minx that keeps teasing my cock>HhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnnnnngHe has more in common with his son than most realize, though Hathaway at least had the foresight not to try and settle down before getting into that situation
>>23893294Hathaway didn't fight a war.
>>23893301True, but a significant number of his choices, which diverge from the established pattern, are obviously informed by his own experience as a victim of the fallout of Bright's choices starting from Zeta.
>>23893301He essentially did. They even point it out in the first film.
>>23893323CCA was a puny skirmish compared to OYW.
>>23893333>puny skirmish>nearly resulted in the obliteration of the earth>puny skirmish>months of bloody warfare between the federation and death cultists that desperately hate and want to exterminate everyone on earth, including hathaway, age 13 actively serving on his father's battleship and then joining the fighting himself in a mobile suitLol
>>23893349Completely overblown and just another chapter in UC.
>>23890856Hathaway should have just ran away with these two.
>>23893349>joining the fighting himself in a mobile suitIt was a very significant conflict materially and emotionally, but don't misrepresent the facts. Hathaway did not say "I gotta stop Neo Zeon and go pew pew!" He just needed to cross some space and the vehicle available to him was a mobile suit. He did have to participate in shit that probably warped his little teenager mind a bit like signing his own last will and testament, but join the fight? Shut the fuck up.
>>23888027post the original overlayed image.
Please god I want Julia's tanned breasts pressed on my helmet
>>23878763how would everyone react when Bandai changes the story that the execution never happens and Hathaway was actually spared to trigger the start of Unicorn 2?
>>23894039As long as UC2 ends with Banagher killing Hathaway after he defeats Hathaway's logic for Marty existing with a "Even so".
>>23894039feels like your average SRW fanfic, hope it will never happen
>>23894102If Bamco puts Hathaway on the team in Super Robot Wars Y2 and Bright takes him off the team, I'll never stop laughing about it.
>>23893576>killing multiple people and fighting his girlfriend, who is piloting a giant death machine for the enemy resulting in her death, is not joining the fightLol
>>23894039I wonder if they could get away with making the execution ambiguous somehow. That seems like the best way they could get away with that. Make the execution scene ambiguous, then some years later when people aren't even talking about it Hathaway returns in something else as a twist.
>>23894202Seems kind of gay and purposeless, I'd just rather him win or escape or have some kind of closure over that. Half the point of his execution - which is reinforced by the retelling of the novel in G Gen Genesis' narration - is that after his death, more people took up the name of Mafty and continued his rebellion because the Federation made him a martyr. This of course was on purpose, as "Quack Silver" (Mafty's backer from the feds) implicitly wanted an excuse to crack down harder on the population and needed a genuine cassus belli against anti-earth sentiment.
>>23894127I'm still mad at Z for teasing Hathaway's flash like it did and then cucking out for the entire rest of the Z series of games
>>23894102What MTL-grade nonsense is this?
>>23892014Only mild inconveniences?
>>23893258>>23893294>>23893294>>23893258Yeah, a lot of ZZ is rough, but I've been fascinated how it is the closest Bright Noa comes to mirroring his Son>Leading a resistance group>Most of them are dead and he's losing his calm patience as things keep getting worse>dumb goofy crew members keep making him the awkward straight man in their jokes>blond love interest keeps trying to distract him from what truly matters with her assets>No! I must stay pure! AHHHIEE HELP ME AMURO
>>23894725>just stick your dick in retard its not that complicatedt. big A
>>23894606Yeah, I'm not a bully
>>23894319>teasing Hathaway's flash like it didWhen did it do that?
>>23885944>he just wanted to do them incrementally and peacefully at first.when did that ever happened? before or after the first colony drop?
>>23887983>>23889977By Victory's time, the Federation's capital and higher ups have moved to the moon. So, Earth is just another place and you wouldn't get all the investment for the Federation elites.
>>23895909end of Z1 when bright gets taunted about hathaways fate in hathaways flash
>>23890011So basically without Odessa they more or less lose the ground war
>>23880223>feel smart like saying ZZ is badStop shoehorning your opinion where it doesn't belong. Tomino himself said ZZ Gundam was a mistake and he went too far.
>>23894930You bullied me.
>>23880199>Tomino was going to continue than kinda wrote himself into a corner and went "you know what, fuck gundam, fuck the world, fuck everyone, fuck you."None of you know what you are talking about. Hathaway's Flash is not a standalone story. Tomino said in an interview that it's an EPILOGUE to Char's Counterattack. He felt the CCA movie was a bit too abrupt of an ending, and (among other reasons) wanted to gives fans a chance for one last goodbye to the characters.
>>23885751>The reason things seem to be ticking along okay is that a significant percentage of humanity did not survive the OYW. There are a lot less humans on Earth in the UC than there are our Earth today.Not really. In the novels and side stories, Char had a discussion with Amuro. In the discussion, he said 6 billion people were killed during the One Year War. Yet there are more humans alive now than before the One Year War started, and it's putting pressure on the Earth's environment. He points out that even the genocide of billions won't stop humans from abusing the planet. So he's going to force humanity into space.
>>23897968stop shoehorning tomino when he is his own harshest critic and says contradictory things.
>>23897978>wanted to gives fans a chance for one last goodbye to the characters.who? bright with his glorified cameo.
>>23898124It's not contradictory. It's a PROGRESSION. Look at later interviews beyond 1986. It's a progression of optimism, to listening to Japanese fan feedback, to Tomino realizing he made a big mistake. Tomino's most RECENT comments is that he realizes he went too far with ZZ Gundam's tone and writing. He views his previous decisions for ZZ as a mistake, and he has zero desire to ever revisit those characters ever again.
>>23897978But the Hathaway's Flash novel isn't a continuation to Char's Counterattack, it's a continuation of Beltorchika's Children.
>>23898129>who?Bright, Mirai, and Cheimin briefly. The novel is not that long. It's an "epilogue to CCA" in the words of Tomino. A closing chapter to the UC story. Tomino said it was supposed to give fans a final goodbye. Tomino also added that if a past character wasn't mentioned in his story, it means they lived the rest of their life in peace. They stepped away from war and conflict. They aren't relevant anymore.So yeah. Seeing Fraw Bo go to the grocery store isn't that particularly exciting. Or seeing Sayla fold laundry isn't thrilling. They have all moved on with their lives. Zeon is long gone. Amuro and Char are dead.
>>23898223Says you.
>>23898224I got a question. Do you think the White Base crew has reunions? A lot of real life Veterans have reunion for their units every few years.
>>23897978The fuck are you on about?
>>23898250You need to understand English to post here
>>23898207he has already heard enough feedback about the tone during ZZ's original run.>Tomino's most RECENT comments is that he realizes he went too far with ZZ Gundam's tone and writing. He views his previous decisions for ZZ as a mistake, and he has zero desire to ever revisit those characters ever again.Literally means nothing, he has zero desire to revisit shows he likes too, that's just not how he operates. It's not like director's opinion on his works made decades later are something that hold much weight.
>>23898223ignore that retard
>>23898290>he has zero desire to revisit shows he likes too, that's just not how he operates.This is a complete lie. Every single anime Tomino made and liked, he has revisted. -MSG? Tomino made MSG movies. -Zeta? Tomino made Zeta movies.-CCA? He made CCA novels and Hathway's Flash.-Turn A Gundam? Tomino made Turn A Gundam movies.-G-Reco? Tomino made G-Reco movies. Tomino was even asked directly about making ZZ movies. He said no. That ZZ was a mistake and prefers to never revisit the story again. Victory Gundam is the same.
>>23898291Get better insults grandpa.
>>23898322>-G-Reco? Tomino made G-Reco movies.Wasn't this one made as an apology for how incomprehensible the show was
>>23871042Gigi
>>23898322noticing only gundam names.>they wanted to redo it cause yas was hospitalized.>blatant anniversary cash grab admitted by man himself. He also does not even like Zeta so your point is moot>Hi Streamer was separate thing and BC was written hastily on editor's request for novel tie in, HF does not even follow CCA. He also does not like CCA so you lose points again.>most forgettable compilation films ever that nobody talks about, made just 2 years later. Hardly counts as revisit and more like an extension after TV show>he was dissatisfied with the show's and wanted 'fix' things.Tomino has spoken positively about Victory in recent interviews.
>people arguing about Tomino's opinion as if it's the deciding factor for whether or not something he made was goodAnything you enjoyed is by definition good on some level
>>23898907this, stop using tomino as a crutch for your like or dislike about any entries, make you look like a disingenuous retard.
>>23898322Unfortunate.
>never provided any sourcewhy are ragers like that
>>23899203We aren't here to help you write wiki articles. This isn't Gundam Wiki.
>>23899208>muh gwiki did the admin rape your mother or something stop acting like a bitch, if you can't back up your words then shut up.
>>23899215>if you can't back up your words then shut up.We know you wiki editors post on this board. We are not helping you.
>>23899219>anybody who disagrees with me is wiki editor
>>23899203Who cares?
>>23898928Yeah, Tomino taught me that people who use crutches are losers, so I agree with you
>>23899341You might even say they're lame!
not yet confirmed but there was an earthquake in flipland earlier and it seems the jollibee branch featured in Hathaway 1 has collapsed a few hours ago
>>23900625Will they rebuild it?
I gotta say that Xi Gundam is so boring. Are you seriously telling me it only has 1 beam weapon? It's the size of a mobile armor but it only has one beam? That seems like a huge design flaw.
>>23901905Did you not see how it dominated fighting in atmosphere/Earth? It doesn't need more as it already takes out more Karls than the rest of the Messers put together. That said, it also has many funnel missiles, they just weren't used in Movie 2 to save ammo for the real mission.
>>23901991And what happens if it's single beam rifle is destroyed? Penelope Gundam has at least 3 beam weapons. Possibly 4.Xi Gundam only has one? Nothing integrated into the suit? Bad idea.
>>23901905They nerfed it significantly for the movie for some reason. Though its various depictions have always had it feature fairly different offensive capabilitiesIts supposed to have>two hyper beam sabers that can also function as beam guns>beam rifle>two high mega cannon emitters>a shield with a sandbarrel built in (basically an anti-funnel flechette shotgun)>two micro misssile bays>funnel missile bays that can also be used instead for traditional funnels (they never are though)>four missile launcher bays, one on each limb>etc.Its minovsky craft also gives it an absolutely unparalleled range of 3d movement even in earth's atmosphere which they leaned into fairly well for the movies; what it didn't capture was the fact its I-field also made it hard to fight xi using beam weapons
>>23902264>>23901905While there have been some cool sequences, I've been a bit let down by the actual mech action thus far (especially the final duels). I hope they really crank it to 11 for the finale.
bros..
>>23902270The problem is they can't destroy Xi Gundam before the final battle. So every battle in Movie 2 is just Hathaway dodging everything effortlessly. There's no sense that Xi Gundam is in danger or could get damaged. Movie 1 was a way better. Especially the final battle. Xi Gundam felt like it really could get seriously damaged by Penelope.
