Serious question: In between battles or during downtime, do the crew of the White Base, or really any member of a Gundam protagonist group, indulge in alcohol, cigarettes or even drugs ranging from weed to crystal meth?
>>23874206White Base crew might like to but they probably don't have those resources on board
>>23874206They didn't want to encourage that type of theme back in 1979, so at most people might have smoked, which has never been prohibited in any armed forces in history. Alcohol is likely a no-no depending on the inspiration, most armed forces prohibit it since being drunk during a surprise attack is an easy recipe for everyone dying. The Royal Navy back in the 80's did allow it for their officers (in moderation), but I have no idea if it's still true today.
>>23874303What about weed and other recreational drugs. Americans in Vietnam are notorious for drug use in firebases after all
>>23874331Did they win the war in Vietnam? Remember kids; winners don't do drugs.
The actual answer about drugs is that Japan's current laws were written in the 1940s on a ping pong table, and they treat weed now the same way American's treated it in the 1940s.Japan LOVES alcohol though, but I believe globally zoomers don't drink as much as previous generations, but drinking with co-workers is still an expectation/borderline requirement of any Japanese office job.Do you think weed would actually help or hurt Japan with their insane work culture?
>>23874206No, but Kou did Amphetamines in 0083.
>>23874459iirc later ancillary materials claim they're "vitamins" :)but yeah that's tactical speed like any good fighter pilot >>23874219I assume there's something at some point when they're off the ship where it's probably booze, but yeah it's not even like a ship that had already been in-service so there might be some sort of established pipeline for contraband
>>23874206Besides some smoking and drug addiction in Thunderbolt i can't think of any explicit examplesMaybe Jamaican stashed away some titan ganja
>>23874436>duuuuuude weed is like..... totally safe n stuff
>>23874478It's not 100% safe, but it isn't a schedule one narcotic like heroin, and should not be treated the same way with the same penalties and jail time.
>>23874206We did see the Federation crew from Thunderbolt indulging in a lot of that before they were being sent out on the sniper duck hunt nests. I could see Monsha and his buddies from 0083 also partaking.
>>23874467>Jamaican stashed away some titan ganjaso it isn't just a clever name! back probably ten, fifteen years ago there was a mess of "dude weed lmao" stuff with... I think Mashy and some of the ZZ gang?
>>23874497There is a strain called ZZ Grape lmfao.
>>23874478Both cigarettes and alcohol are worse for you.
>>23874478I think weed is safer for you than alcohol or even most fast foods. Am I crazy? You can say yes.
>>23874506They both fuck up the hippocampus lol. Don’t do either regularly.
>>23874525jokes on you my apartment won't let me have anything bigger than a cat
amuro drinks and watches bdsm porn so..
>>23874436>The actual answer about drugs is that Japan's current laws were written in the 1940s on a ping pong table, and they treat weed now the same way American's treated it in the 1940s.Wrong.Japan's hard stance against drugs was, similarly to America, born out of the Speed Boom in the construction industry in the 60's/70's.
>>23874525I already have epilepsy though.
but yeah Japan's VERY twitchy about weed, like if you regularly use you're probably better off getting new pants if there's a possibility of a crumb or two in your pockets' stitching before you go to Japanlegends say if you look like a weed sorta guy they go really fucking hard, but at least they just throw you out of the country if it's just some random scraps hiding in your clothes rather than an outright smuggling attempt>>23874529I was under the impression a lot of Asia in general having the ick about drugs is in no small part because of how much of a problem opium was/is?there's a couple of nonGundmam explicit weed references I can think of, MFrontier had a head shop in the town, and Niea_7 "dude weed lmao" basically was the punchline to an episodeI think G-Reco had some massive hemp fields? but that's more a rural Japan thing than necessarily 420blazeitmf
>>23874556ironically enough that thing about weed stopping seizures I can def vouch for being real, irl buddy can go grand mal but you get a vape on that ahead of things going hard and it goes from full poogerman juking and jiving to "ugh I gotta sit down for a bit"
>>23874557It's mostly true for China, Japan was also influenced to some degree but the current super hard anti-drug policies are a byproduct of their very own speed boom in the post WW2 era.There's multiple sources about it too, it's pretty well documented, here's a couple of those.https://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/the-world-war-ii-wonder-drug-that-never-left-japan/http://www.japanhemp.org/en/speed-iv.htmhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4179209/
>>23874559My neurologist told me I shouldn't smoke weed or drink anymore, and then I realized I love red wine more than pot.
>>23874206so what's the deal with that live action gundam? Is sydney sweeney going to be sayla mass?
>>23874610more like aina sahalin, if 08th MS inspiration leaks are to be believed.
>>23874505>>23874506>duuude bro this is like... the peace drug it's totally... safe bro it keeps me relaxed so I have to take it before every task to deal with my anxiety.... bro
>>23874574the real tough choices in life
>>23874650It's a drug with less long term side effects and a way lower chance of overdosing than other drugs that are either legal or classified the same way. Like regular exposre to McDonald's is worse for your health long term than exposure to weed. Does weed have negative side effects? Yes. Is it as bad as other shit in the same category as it? Hell no, and I say this as somebody who was legally prescribed Adderall for four years.
I forgot about these guysNot recreational but we can't have this thread without themCome to think of it most of the drug use in gundam is done by whatever Cyber-newtype equivalent is in the show, which connects drug use with a crime against humanity (reducing a person to a weapon)Wasn't there also that supplemental material about Cyber-Newtypes being injected with Amuro's blood or something?
>>23874726I don't know who any of these characters are.
>>23874730the druggies from seed>>23874726yeah iirc post-Zeta supplementary says the cocktail they shoot up cybernewtypes with includes Amuro bloodKamen Rider also leans into drugs = evil power sometimes
>>23874206>Serious question: In between battles or during downtime, do the crew of the White Base, or really any member of a Gundam protagonist group, indulge in alcohol, cigarettes or even drugs ranging from weed to crystal meth?
>>23874506Maybe 100% organic shit you grow yourself but in the US even "legal" weed is still technically a gray market (yes even your medical card is federal felony if they chose to enforce it, which they absolutely will should they need to nail you for something else that is harder to stick or if they just plain don't like you) and even a cursory glance at these "medical" COAs shows the sort of sloppy science that would get that FDA up their ass. But they're not FDA so they can put as my barely legally fertilizers you are explicitly not meant to burn or god forbid vaporize or inhale on it. In short: home grown weed - safe. Store weed: big pharma poison.
>>23874780I'm not as versed as you gentlemen, can you explain?
>>23874802nevermind I read the summary (I'm a normie and have only watched Khan and some TNG)what a lovely man Bones is
>>23874802Harlan's original script included people with space drugs shooting up on the 1701 because Harlanthat's why they have the very clunky "Bones trips over a tribble" or whatever to make shit happen
>>23874528>amuro drinksSure.>and watches bdsm pornIs this a blink-and-you'll-miss-it thing or are you yanking our cranks?
Can't you just buy fentanyl from Quark or Garak? Serious question.
>>23874823Quark has gas station weedGarak doesn't have shit, he's got his brain chip then he went straight-edgeyou could probably hustle Bashir for some space fent by making bedroom eyes at him
>>23874859Can Garak get space fent making bedroom eyes at Bashir? Asking for a friend.
>>23874820It's in the novel アムロとララ by tomino my friendo.
>>23874916Huh. The more you know.
>>23874861iirc there's a good argument to be made he can't from The Wirehe at least wasn't able to od on space fent that he got on his own under Bashir's supervision, you'd have to hustle him it was for a party (we'll make sure you get an invite <3 ) or something
Hard drugs in fiction are a difficult subject. Either you have one tweaker for sympathy/realism or there's rampant fent hoods, which says more about the human condition than it does anything about the setting.
>>23874927I think B5 had the doc be mostly-functioning but hooked on space-stims in a way that was not as after-school special as a lot?but yeah really it's tough to pull off "functional substance user" beyond "hard-drinking frontier doctor" type stuff and if they're not functioning they don't work as a character
>>23874219I've been thinking about this more and remembered in that one early episode that ends with Amuro going on a killing spree and then being traumatized, there was a mention of champagne on the ship that they were going to celebrate with. So I guess there was at least some alcohol on White Base initially, but it probably didn't last very long
>>23874459Everybody did that in the Second World War. The US military still does it. Probably why we've garnered so much notoriety for friendly-fire incidents.>>23874466>iirc later ancillary materials claim they're "vitamins" :)Probably claimed by the same sort who claimed Panzerschokolade was actual chocolate.
>>23874574t. Neil Diamond
>>23874780>Harlan EllisonWhat was that guy's problem?
>>23874916>ララAny relation to ララァ?
>>23874557>I was under the impression a lot of Asia in general having the ick about drugs is in no small part because of how much of a problem opium was/is? Serious answer?It's because Asian culture is a hierarchical society built around "social cohesion". Everyone is supposed to work together. Every person has a role to play. In family, you respect your elders. In work, you respect those above you. Seniority and "group unity" is prioritized heavily above all else.It's the exact opposite of America where individualism and personal freedom is normalized. In Asian countries, your personal freedom is tolerated only so long as it doesn't threaten the larger group. In Asian societies, you are a cog in a larger machine. Even more than in Western countries.Drugs threaten social cohesion and social stability. These are the founding pillars of Asian culture. That's why drugs so heavily stigmarized. I know this sounds cold, but from the Government's Perspective you can't have your worker class getting addicted to drugs. It negatively affects their health and productivity. Even worse is that drug users would just spend their money on drug dealers. The money doesn't go back into the local economy. The money leaves the country and goes to some drug lord who lives outside the country.At least with alcohol the effects are temporary. Just a hangover that lasts maybe a day or so. And money spent goes directly to local alcohol companies and the local economy. Any negative health effects only happen to those excessively drink alcohol and the negative effects only show up when they are older. So the government gets several decades of productivity out of them. But back to your original point. Anything that threatens social stability, group unity, and obedience (to the government) is not tolerated. It's also why private gun ownership is not allowed in almost all Asian countries. The government doesn't want armed rebellion. So it's banned.
>>23875261>What was that guy's problem?He was a spiritual giant born into the body of a physical midget, in a world full of spiritual midgets born into the bodies of physical giants, and spiteful Fate cursed him to be aware of the fact at all times.
>>23874436Recall meth is their drug of choice
>>23876248That and he really was a cantankerous prick
>>23874206Not sure, but iirc they fuck alot
>>23874557>I was under the impression a lot of Asia in general having the ick about drugs is in no small part because of how much of a problem opium was/is? They just don't like anything that messes up their collective society. Hard Drugs produce no positive results. Weed is debatable since it has pain reducing effects. America allows it now so we will see if Japan follows.
>>23876465>Not sure, but iirc they fuck alot
>>23876517In Thunderbolt they did, mostly because more than half were not coming back
>>23874650We get it you watched Reefer Madness during your childhood
>>23876571>In Thunderbolt they did, mostly because more than half were not coming back
>>23874556Is pic somehow related?
>>23876465>[citation needed]
>>23876571What's that got to do with it?
>>23874206EF soldiers probably got a small ration of cigarettes in their allotted rations. Higher officers got alcohol proportionate to their ranks with lower ranking given small bottles with EF branding and strict rules for when they're allowed to consume it, to higher ranking officers given ransacked spirits from the aftermath of battles. Unregulated alcohol usage can be flagrant between higher ranking EF and Zeon officials, but unless it becomes a major issue that negatively hampers performance it is given a blind eye for the sake of morale. The caveat of that is that officers who become alcoholic to the point it's an issue tend to already be doomed with less resources as is and very likely soon to die, so enforcement was rarely done in those cases either. Kai at one point got some weed seeds or sprouts he attempted to grow in his quarters on White Base that he was hoping to cultivate and maybe eventually sell for extra cash, but those quickly died. Just as well because he maybe smoked twice before, coughed up both times, and never actually learned to roll a joint. He didn't notice the plants were long dead until about a month after. The entire time he kept making mischievous hints at what he was doing and no one got it. Harder drug use isn't unheard of in colonies, but somewhat stricter regulated due to it being harder to escape consequences on a colony. Blue collar workers tend to use harder drugs on colonies recreation ally, white collar workers more prescription meds. Because of this, older colonists may be familiar with harder recreational drugs but the younger crew of the White Base would be largely oblivious to things harder than weed or alcohol. Colonies don't really a have corner drug dealers or skid rows. Incidentally, a lot of emerging newtypes had a history of being given antipsychotic meds and being suppressed from ever reaching their full potential, many abusing the amount they take as their abilities begin to outpace their dosages.
>>23874478It won't trigger a chemical dependency, at least. Cut a pothead off his supply, he gets sober. Cut a chronic alcoholic off, he might fucking die because his body has no idea how to function without it.
>>23878561Sorry, pot was popular with hippies and Black people so we must convince the world it's the product of Satan and will turn you into a communist suicide bomber.The truth is that weed just makes you annoying to people who aren't high, but that's politically inconvenient.
>>23878561>It won't trigger a chemical dependencyYou cut the pot off an addict and the anxiety moves them to some other addiction, usually junk food.
>>23878785>Smoke weed>Now you want to eat junk food>Quit weed>Now you want to eat junk foodNot even once
>>23876248In other words, a narcissist with little man syndrome..
>>23877868Fucking is better than getting high
>>23879357Why does it have to be one or the other?
>>23874206>Serious question: In between battles or during downtime, do the crew of the White Base, or really any member of a Gundam protagonist group, indulge in alcohol, cigarettes or even drugs ranging from weed to crystal meth?White Base didn't really have a lot of downtime. They were constantly doing maintenance and repairs. Amuro was always learning more and practicing with the Gundam.
>>23874206I doubt it. Didn't they run out of salt?
>>23880805>They were constantly doing maintenance and repairs.And running from the zeeks.
>>23879303>a narcissist with little man syndrome..A fair description of his critics.
Char drinks onscreen multiple times across 0079, Zeta and CCASumeragi is an alcoholic and and Allelujah drinks with her on his birthday
>>23882356Even more fitting of the man himself.
>>23879045>don't ever smoke>still want junk foodfuck it may as well do heroin
>>23883330He grabbed your moobs at an award ceremony, didn't he.
>>23882356>>23883365log off AM
>>23883708NEVER.
>>23884241Was the cause for this hate ever explained?
>>23885049We never really get AM's take on it, but one of the human characters speculates that AM is getting even with humans for their failure to endow it with various qualities human possess, like mobility and the capacity for original thought.
>>23885069Doesn't that imply he was programmed to hate humanity?
>>23886528It implies its programmers had fatal blind spots about how an artificial "brain in a jar" would respond to learning that it i) technically had a lesser order of brain than its creators, and ii) was stuck in a jar for eternity.
>>23874206Char's family name is Assnibble so they were clearly fucking every chance they got. That's the only way Zeon could have grown quickly enough to win the opening phase of the war anyways.
>>23886543Scary how we're about to learn whether an apocalyptic scenario from a pulp story a guy wrote overnight half a century ago is about to become reality or not.
>>23887366Rest easy, because it 100% isn't going to happen... contrary to the hype created by grifters. Ten years from now, so-called AI (and all the big claims being made for it, in an effort to get you to hand over money for it) will be an embarassing footnote in a history of short-lived crazes.
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>>23887614lol we're already "living batteries", just not for machine intelligences.
>>23886659>Assnibble>comes back and bites their enemies in the assPottery
>>23886659>Char eats assNo wonder Haman couldn't get over him.
>>23886543Does it not know Hanlon's razor?
>>23888420I'm sure at least one human being has asked AM that very question, before AM set about slowly flensing them using every razor design logged in his memory banks... Probably while a looped recording of them saying "Don't you know Hanlon's razor?" was piped into the makeshift abbatoir over a deluxe speaker system.
>>23882356Have you heard this saying? If you go through your day and you encounter an asshole, you encountered an asshole. If you go through your day and you encounter several assholes, *you're* the asshole.
>>23888449>abbatoirThat anything like an abattoir?
>>23889915Have you heard of this saying? "The stupid outbreed the smart." If you go through your day and encounter several imbeciles, it's because the world is, in fact, ass-deep in imbeciles... and they don't deserve patience or consideration.
>>23890194That's not what the idiom means.
>>23890195... Anon, the assertion following the idiom isn't me spoon-feeding you the definition of the idiom.
>>23890202It's not even an assertion. You took two unrelated sentences and smashed them together.
>>23890206I'm sorry your teachers failed to show you how to extrapolate.
>>23889919>>abbatoir>That anything like an abattoir?Yes, but it's exclusively reserved for Swedish pop bands.
>>23886543More like oversight on the author's part that certain senses would be completely alien concepts and therefore purely academic to an AI that wasn't even given the means to accommodate them.
>>23891325Literally addressed in the story.
>>23891957qrd?
>>23892628Read it and find out mongoloid.
>>23892628Anon, it's a short story. Just read it.
>>23892633>>23892637Got a link?
>>23890194Spoken like a raging incel.
>>23894166>Got a link?https://www.barnesandnoble.com/
>>23888420Hanlon's razor isn't a useful heuristic, it's just hippie bullshit
>>23882752This is true, but Char isn't a White Base crew member in 079, and the Argama is an AEUG ship, where life appears to be a bit looser than on an EFF ship.>>23895510It's useful in most circumstances. If somebody has a persecution complex, though, they'll always see everything bad that happens to them as being due to malice, because they've chosen to believe that the world has it in for them.The relatively small number of people that're actively malicious typically also attribute everything that goes wrong to malice, but in their case it's because they're projecting their own malicious mindset and behaviors onto everybody else. When you talk to these people, you'll often find they assume everybody is like them... Borderline "only I'm real" stuff.
>>23874206What is that, a matchbook? A cigarette case? A tobacco pouch for roll-it-yourself cigarettes?
>>23874930Garribaldi had an alcohol addiction in one of the early season episodes. He relapses in season 5 over several episodes, very much not a functional user at that point.
>>23895612for people who smoked but didn't want to leave ashes everywherelargely out of fashion because most smokers don't care anymore, as well as there being far less smokers in general, but perfectly in line with late 1970s early 1980s smoking culture
>>23895814>GarribaldiHe any relation to Garibaldi?
>>23895829FEWER.
>>23895829>Closed Prevention Soot Leaking>Suitable More Cigarette Box>Put In Soot Cigarette Butts Environmentally Friendly Clean
>>23900131Looks like either ESL or MTL.
>>23887626Would he prefer corrupt politicians and [insert proponents of any other socioeconomic system here]?
>>23874466>>23875257There was a very strong backlash to Kou shooting up with amphetamines in 0083 among Japanese audiences, causing this retconSome fans went so far as to say from that moment, it was impossible for Kou to be considered a heroic character (never mind that him not living up to the standards of a gundam protagonist is a deliberate part of the narrative and themes of 0083)
