Serious question: In between battles or during downtime, do the crew of the White Base, or really any member of a Gundam protagonist group, indulge in alcohol, cigarettes or even drugs ranging from weed to crystal meth?
>>23874206White Base crew might like to but they probably don't have those resources on board
>>23874206They didn't want to encourage that type of theme back in 1979, so at most people might have smoked, which has never been prohibited in any armed forces in history. Alcohol is likely a no-no depending on the inspiration, most armed forces prohibit it since being drunk during a surprise attack is an easy recipe for everyone dying. The Royal Navy back in the 80's did allow it for their officers (in moderation), but I have no idea if it's still true today.
>>23874303What about weed and other recreational drugs. Americans in Vietnam are notorious for drug use in firebases after all
>>23874331Did they win the war in Vietnam? Remember kids; winners don't do drugs.
The actual answer about drugs is that Japan's current laws were written in the 1940s on a ping pong table, and they treat weed now the same way American's treated it in the 1940s.Japan LOVES alcohol though, but I believe globally zoomers don't drink as much as previous generations, but drinking with co-workers is still an expectation/borderline requirement of any Japanese office job.Do you think weed would actually help or hurt Japan with their insane work culture?
>>23874206No, but Kou did Amphetamines in 0083.
>>23874459iirc later ancillary materials claim they're "vitamins" :)but yeah that's tactical speed like any good fighter pilot >>23874219I assume there's something at some point when they're off the ship where it's probably booze, but yeah it's not even like a ship that had already been in-service so there might be some sort of established pipeline for contraband
>>23874206Besides some smoking and drug addiction in Thunderbolt i can't think of any explicit examplesMaybe Jamaican stashed away some titan ganja
>>23874436>duuuuuude weed is like..... totally safe n stuff
>>23874478It's not 100% safe, but it isn't a schedule one narcotic like heroin, and should not be treated the same way with the same penalties and jail time.
>>23874206We did see the Federation crew from Thunderbolt indulging in a lot of that before they were being sent out on the sniper duck hunt nests. I could see Monsha and his buddies from 0083 also partaking.
>>23874467>Jamaican stashed away some titan ganjaso it isn't just a clever name! back probably ten, fifteen years ago there was a mess of "dude weed lmao" stuff with... I think Mashy and some of the ZZ gang?
>>23874497There is a strain called ZZ Grape lmfao.
>>23874478Both cigarettes and alcohol are worse for you.
>>23874478I think weed is safer for you than alcohol or even most fast foods. Am I crazy? You can say yes.
>>23874506They both fuck up the hippocampus lol. Don’t do either regularly.
>>23874525jokes on you my apartment won't let me have anything bigger than a cat
amuro drinks and watches bdsm porn so..
>>23874436>The actual answer about drugs is that Japan's current laws were written in the 1940s on a ping pong table, and they treat weed now the same way American's treated it in the 1940s.Wrong.Japan's hard stance against drugs was, similarly to America, born out of the Speed Boom in the construction industry in the 60's/70's.
>>23874525I already have epilepsy though.
but yeah Japan's VERY twitchy about weed, like if you regularly use you're probably better off getting new pants if there's a possibility of a crumb or two in your pockets' stitching before you go to Japanlegends say if you look like a weed sorta guy they go really fucking hard, but at least they just throw you out of the country if it's just some random scraps hiding in your clothes rather than an outright smuggling attempt>>23874529I was under the impression a lot of Asia in general having the ick about drugs is in no small part because of how much of a problem opium was/is?there's a couple of nonGundmam explicit weed references I can think of, MFrontier had a head shop in the town, and Niea_7 "dude weed lmao" basically was the punchline to an episodeI think G-Reco had some massive hemp fields? but that's more a rural Japan thing than necessarily 420blazeitmf
>>23874556ironically enough that thing about weed stopping seizures I can def vouch for being real, irl buddy can go grand mal but you get a vape on that ahead of things going hard and it goes from full poogerman juking and jiving to "ugh I gotta sit down for a bit"
>>23874557It's mostly true for China, Japan was also influenced to some degree but the current super hard anti-drug policies are a byproduct of their very own speed boom in the post WW2 era.There's multiple sources about it too, it's pretty well documented, here's a couple of those.https://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/the-world-war-ii-wonder-drug-that-never-left-japan/http://www.japanhemp.org/en/speed-iv.htmhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4179209/
>>23874559My neurologist told me I shouldn't smoke weed or drink anymore, and then I realized I love red wine more than pot.
>>23874206so what's the deal with that live action gundam? Is sydney sweeney going to be sayla mass?
>>23874610more like aina sahalin, if 08th MS inspiration leaks are to be believed.
>>23874505>>23874506>duuude bro this is like... the peace drug it's totally... safe bro it keeps me relaxed so I have to take it before every task to deal with my anxiety.... bro
>>23874574the real tough choices in life
>>23874650It's a drug with less long term side effects and a way lower chance of overdosing than other drugs that are either legal or classified the same way. Like regular exposre to McDonald's is worse for your health long term than exposure to weed. Does weed have negative side effects? Yes. Is it as bad as other shit in the same category as it? Hell no, and I say this as somebody who was legally prescribed Adderall for four years.
I forgot about these guysNot recreational but we can't have this thread without themCome to think of it most of the drug use in gundam is done by whatever Cyber-newtype equivalent is in the show, which connects drug use with a crime against humanity (reducing a person to a weapon)Wasn't there also that supplemental material about Cyber-Newtypes being injected with Amuro's blood or something?
>>23874726I don't know who any of these characters are.
>>23874730the druggies from seed>>23874726yeah iirc post-Zeta supplementary says the cocktail they shoot up cybernewtypes with includes Amuro bloodKamen Rider also leans into drugs = evil power sometimes
>>23874206>Serious question: In between battles or during downtime, do the crew of the White Base, or really any member of a Gundam protagonist group, indulge in alcohol, cigarettes or even drugs ranging from weed to crystal meth?
>>23874506Maybe 100% organic shit you grow yourself but in the US even "legal" weed is still technically a gray market (yes even your medical card is federal felony if they chose to enforce it, which they absolutely will should they need to nail you for something else that is harder to stick or if they just plain don't like you) and even a cursory glance at these "medical" COAs shows the sort of sloppy science that would get that FDA up their ass. But they're not FDA so they can put as my barely legally fertilizers you are explicitly not meant to burn or god forbid vaporize or inhale on it. In short: home grown weed - safe. Store weed: big pharma poison.
>>23874780I'm not as versed as you gentlemen, can you explain?
>>23874802nevermind I read the summary (I'm a normie and have only watched Khan and some TNG)what a lovely man Bones is
>>23874802Harlan's original script included people with space drugs shooting up on the 1701 because Harlanthat's why they have the very clunky "Bones trips over a tribble" or whatever to make shit happen
>>23874528>amuro drinksSure.>and watches bdsm pornIs this a blink-and-you'll-miss-it thing or are you yanking our cranks?
Can't you just buy fentanyl from Quark or Garak? Serious question.
>>23874823Quark has gas station weedGarak doesn't have shit, he's got his brain chip then he went straight-edgeyou could probably hustle Bashir for some space fent by making bedroom eyes at him
>>23874859Can Garak get space fent making bedroom eyes at Bashir? Asking for a friend.
>>23874820It's in the novel アムロとララ by tomino my friendo.
>>23874916Huh. The more you know.
>>23874861iirc there's a good argument to be made he can't from The Wirehe at least wasn't able to od on space fent that he got on his own under Bashir's supervision, you'd have to hustle him it was for a party (we'll make sure you get an invite <3 ) or something
Hard drugs in fiction are a difficult subject. Either you have one tweaker for sympathy/realism or there's rampant fent hoods, which says more about the human condition than it does anything about the setting.
>>23874927I think B5 had the doc be mostly-functioning but hooked on space-stims in a way that was not as after-school special as a lot?but yeah really it's tough to pull off "functional substance user" beyond "hard-drinking frontier doctor" type stuff and if they're not functioning they don't work as a character
>>23874219I've been thinking about this more and remembered in that one early episode that ends with Amuro going on a killing spree and then being traumatized, there was a mention of champagne on the ship that they were going to celebrate with. So I guess there was at least some alcohol on White Base initially, but it probably didn't last very long
>>23874459Everybody did that in the Second World War. The US military still does it. Probably why we've garnered so much notoriety for friendly-fire incidents.>>23874466>iirc later ancillary materials claim they're "vitamins" :)Probably claimed by the same sort who claimed Panzerschokolade was actual chocolate.
>>23874574t. Neil Diamond
>>23874780>Harlan EllisonWhat was that guy's problem?
>>23874916>ララAny relation to ララァ?
>>23874557>I was under the impression a lot of Asia in general having the ick about drugs is in no small part because of how much of a problem opium was/is? Serious answer?It's because Asian culture is a hierarchical society built around "social cohesion". Everyone is supposed to work together. Every person has a role to play. In family, you respect your elders. In work, you respect those above you. Seniority and "group unity" is prioritized heavily above all else.It's the exact opposite of America where individualism and personal freedom is normalized. In Asian countries, your personal freedom is tolerated only so long as it doesn't threaten the larger group. In Asian societies, you are a cog in a larger machine. Even more than in Western countries.Drugs threaten social cohesion and social stability. These are the founding pillars of Asian culture. That's why drugs so heavily stigmarized. I know this sounds cold, but from the Government's Perspective you can't have your worker class getting addicted to drugs. It negatively affects their health and productivity. Even worse is that drug users would just spend their money on drug dealers. The money doesn't go back into the local economy. The money leaves the country and goes to some drug lord who lives outside the country.At least with alcohol the effects are temporary. Just a hangover that lasts maybe a day or so. And money spent goes directly to local alcohol companies and the local economy. Any negative health effects only happen to those excessively drink alcohol and the negative effects only show up when they are older. So the government gets several decades of productivity out of them. But back to your original point. Anything that threatens social stability, group unity, and obedience (to the government) is not tolerated. It's also why private gun ownership is not allowed in almost all Asian countries. The government doesn't want armed rebellion. So it's banned.
