They had to make Fa become a complete incompetent in order to make the new crew members look better.She was becoming a lot better by the end of Zeta Gundam, then she gets a reset in ZZ.Fuck this shit.I hope sunrise will remake ZZ and fix all the crap nobody likes.
Fa was always (to her own admission) a dogshit pilot, she was the reason Apolly died.
>>23878611>Anyone else hates ZZ?Most people do
No, but I hate you, OP.
>>23878611Yeah, that really pissed me off about ZZ too.The show gets better when the opening changes to Silent Voice, until then though its like a 4/10.
>>23878611ZZ was a better series than Zeta. Just purely on its merits as an animated series. This isn't a shitpost, just something I honestly believe
ZZ is great and I unironically enjoyed it more than Zeta.>ITS TOO SILLY AND ITS ABOUT WARPlease read about any well-documented war and realize people do retarded shit all the time during war.
>>23878611I'm currently watching for the first time, and so far my impressions are not good, though my understanding is the first half is the worst part. I'm about two episodes after Puru showing up for the first time.>All the seriousness of previous seasons is gone and it's turned into a goofy cartoon.>The villains aren't portrayed seriously enough to be a threat and as such, there's no real stakes and every episode is just kinda blurring into the others.>Nothing happened for like half of what I've watched so far.>Judau doesn't have much of a character arc so far, Amuro and Kamille both had to learn harsh lessons when faced with the reality of combat and life as an adult, Judau hasn't learned a fucking thing yet.>The animation seems lazier than Zeta. Seems like a step backwards towards the 'just drag a still image of a couple doms and GM's across the screen past each other' animation of MSG after Zeta really took a huge step forwards from that.>Haman seems very out of character, but admittedly I don't feel she got enough time in Zeta for me to really understand her as a character. Still she's gone from serious non-nonsense cutthroat bitch to just generic nice ruler lady. Maybe that's just filtered through Mashmyre's POV though.Positives though.>ZZ gundam seems powerful as fuck... but they've only actually shown off that raw power effectively in a single scene and ever since then it's basically been treated no different than the Zeta gundam.>I like how Judau actually struggles to learn to operate mobile suits initially, as opposed to falling into the cockpit and instantly knowing what all the controls do like Kamille and Amuro did.>The use of dummy asteroids has lead to some creative tactics and scenes which have been more interesting to watch than two MS just exchanging beam rifle fire.
>>23878773What is the common theme in those caps?
>>23878772I also genuinely feel this. I rewatched Zeta recently and will be rewatching ZZ soon, but my first time watching ZZ post-Zeta I found myself having a better time than with Zeta, per-se. I liked Zeta in some ways but ZZ was, at least to me, more entertaining, and I didn't see it as problematic as a continuation of Zeta's story either.
>>23880083I don't recall it being THAT chonky.
my biggest complaint about ZZ is none of Judau's annoying original friend group died
>>23879100>Judau doesn't learn anythingUnlike Amuro or Kamille, Judau is emotionally stable. All he needs is to mature a little.>>23880083I love Zeta but as time goes on, I remember ZZ and its cast in a better light than when I watched it for the first time.
>>23882641Why is that?
>>23879100>>23882641learning "wait, if I fuck off to Jupiter they can't get on me about at least five years of war, fuck year all these worlds" is a good lesson
Pekora went from Zeta to Char's Counter Attack.She jumped ZZ.ZZ BTFO!!!!!!!!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S9ojYwKMsI
honestly feel like people should watch L Gaim before ZZ. Makes the switch over a little better.
>>23879100>Judau doesn't have much of a character arc so far, Amuro and Kamille both had to learn harsh lessons when faced with the reality of combat and life as an adult, Judau hasn't learned a fucking thing yet.Ehhhh. I didn't like this at first but honestly thinking about it I sorta like the message. Especially when Judau beats the shit out of that faggot Wong. Adults will ruin the younger generation so it's better for the new generation to fucking throw out the old and build their own path. NOW SLUG BRIGHT AGAIN YEAHHHH
>>23883144The good parts of ZZ are really good, I loved most of the cast (except for Mondo and the Moon Moon characters) and I especially lied Judau.It was refreshing to have an MC with some semblance of emotional stability and he was smart enough to not fall for anyone's bullshit. Both Amuro and Kamille ended up tangled in the politics and the ideology, but Judau was smart enough to realize it was all bullshit and merely fight for what he believed in, then fucked off because he knew he couldn't fix everything by himself anyway.I also really liked the scene in which he rejects Puru's confession. Had Judau been part of the crew during the events of Zeta, he would've been able to prevent things from spiraling down like they did.
My problem with ZZ is Judau. I actually hate the guy and can't relate to him at all.
>>23884177You lied to Judau?
>>23884009>watching an entirely different show instead of watching part 2 right after part 1Just watch the fucking show. ZZ starts right where Zeta leaves off. The "tonal whiplash" everyone cries about is picrel.
>>23884181So you can relate to Kamille?
>>23878611I don't like how they nerfed Fa yeah, but I understand they reset the tone to show another generation entering the meat grinder and reappeal to a kids audience after Zeta's endingThat being said, holy shit Bright saying things across ZZ like "I hope my son Hathaway is doing well :D, at least my children listen, I'll have all the time in the world to see my family after this" is giving me physical pain
>>23885965>I don't like how they nerfed FaHow do you mean? She was never a particularly outstanding pilot.
>>23884011>Especially when Judau beats the shit out of that faggot Wong.That scene was so cathartic after watching kamille just take a beating and do nothing about it.>>23885051I am also an autistic child (late 30's).
>>23886936Gee, too bad you don't have your own Fa to babysit you of her own volition.
Why was Glenny losing it over Judau's little sister?
>>23888516Who's Glenny?
>>23878611>I hope sunrise will remake ZZ and fix all the crap nobody likes.Sadly that depends entirely on remakes of the original 79 series and Zeta, and those are 'Break glass in case of emergency' works, which Sunrise/Bamco is still nowhere near that level yet, even in a downtime where there is no active Gundam series going on aside from the Hathaway movies.
>>23878611Twitter's most loved entry for whatever reason.
>>23891379You should go back to Twitter and stop necrobumping the entire fucking board.
>>23890918>'Break glass in case of emergency' worksHow do you mean?
>>23891448Probably padding for times when they have nothing new in the works.
>>23892655Couldn't they just take a few seasons off?
>>23884415The tonal whiplash made shit bearable because I can't imagine how you'd make a sequel starting with the same miserable tone as Zeta, or how you'd have more miserable people willingly joining while the Argama's basically holding a fucking vigil, I needed the sound of human laughter and for Fa to catch a break>>23885965>>23886611For someone who would have been better off being a nurse, and for some remnant testbed mobile suit getting re-deployed again and again, she had surprisingly alright assist and survival rates, I don't recall the Methuss ever getting totalled into smithereens despite Fa being Fa and the Methuss being the Methuss. Maybe it's luck or skill, I don't know what to tell you, but I think she fared better than what people give her credit for.
>>23894382They say it's better to be lucky than good.
>>23895833I guess she's living proof of that.
>>23894382Zeta is a cherry series like Devilman.
I don't really have anywhere better to post this since i don't want to make an entirely new thread, but i'm getting into Gundam and i just finished watching Zeta for the first time this week, and i loved it so much. Like, maybe one of my favorite anime series of all time levels. I understand this means i will probably hate ZZ, but i'm keeping an open mind.
>>23897489ZZ is a brilliantly good series.
>>23879299Sexy shading
>>23897489Episode 0 is cute fun, I personally enjoyed Zeta as well as ZZ, even though it did have some weaknesses. Just mood-wise, the ending of Zeta was so fucking miserable such that I welcomed the bright change of pace, because how the fuck do you continue from that, half of the Argama's fucking dead
>>23894382She's shown being competent enough to beat tank and file Titans pilots in the Metthus, survived a dogfight with Yazan, and did pretty well in helping others in fights. Hell, her major issue back when she briefly retired from piloting was that she went berserk and people were concerned she'd kill herself in her rage. She's certainly better than Katz.
>>23897606Anyone is better than Katz.
>>23897606>survived a dogfight with YazanRight, yeah, and Yazan was created by God to kill people, so that's a major point in her book.>>23897607This is also very true, although Katz to his credit was a pretty decent pilot as well, I do recall he bailed out Kamille and Amuro on different occasions.
>>23878611I prefer ZZ over Z.
>>23897959I'm sorry.
Fa being downgraded in ZZ is usually a sticking point for people. It did bother me, although I like how Fa was written when she appears later and how they wrap up her storyline with Kamille.For me Yazan being a comedy relief villian really bothered me when compared to how he was in Zeta. It might have been better for him to just die at the end of Zeta.
>>23898206>Haman being downgraded in ZZ is usually a sticking point for people.Fixed.
>>23898206Downgrade aside, I was just happy to see her leave and get some deserved rest with Kamille. I do like her a lot, but it was too fucking miserable.Yazan's treatment was also disappointing and then we also get no resolution for him at all, he might have shown up at that later Neo Zeon party but like, bye Yazan? Thanks for being such a terrifying villain with such a high kill rate, see you around hopefully maybe??
>>23898206>I like how Fa was written when she appears laterHow so?
>>23897483What's that even mean?
>>23899106Zeta is a fun and cheerful work, ala Devilman.
>>23899107So, not at all?
>>23899107>Allah DevilmanFTFY
>>23892655No, having nothing new but still selling merch is fine for a time, the 'emergency' in this case is if they do something really expensive and it bombs hard. That live-action movie for instance, but Sunrise is not losing that much money if it bombs, it has to be something worse.I'm sad a Crossbone Gundam anime is nowhere near such priorities either.
>>23904748Literally made for me
>>23878773It only starts to become great at the time when the colony drops and Judau gets a taste of the horrors of war then the series stops being a comedy and into something actually worthy of being a sequel to Zeta. It just took them like fucking 30 episodes to get to that point tho.
>>23878611I hated it, but then I started to enjoy it years later. Shangri-la is the worse stuff in the tomino UC gundam at that point. For my part I think the Moon Moon arc is where ZZ starts to get enjoyable. At that point the characters are established enough for me to get into the dynamic of the series.If the shangri la start wasn't so fucking bad. I probably would've stuck with it on my first watch.As a whole though, ZZ is not really good. It's schizofrenic on mid-late half. The unceremonious aftermath of the dublin arc is so strange, that even Victory Gundam was more consistent with it's surrealism. It's ZZ is the shitter of the pre-CCA gundam, no amount of cope would change that fact.
>>23898252>>23898206Yazan is just the last remaining Titan causing problems with the Argama on its last legs, once it leaves its not like he has anything to do with Axis, I don't particularly see any reason for him to come back in latter episodes of ZZ when the focus is fighting zeon
>>23905182I understand that, but if you took the liberty to bring him back to begin with, tying up a loose end of seeing his escape pod, then have the courtesy of writing him off in a way other than>and then we never saw him again because the actual Neo Nazis were causing trouble instead of the regular fascists in our local governmentAlso I'm pretty sure they did bring him back, or there's at least a lookalike of him at the party when the Federation's surrendering to Neo Zeon
>>23891381>necrobumpingDude. Shut the fuck up, please.
>>23897959>>>/twitter/
>>23897501If you like lame comedy, maybe.
>>23905182>>23905198>>23898252>>23898206I don't even recall Yazan having any voiced lines in ZZ either.
In my general experience people who like ZZ are obtuse morons who absolutely HATE challenge and inconvenience. They require a stream of ceaseless optimism to counter out their natural propensity to hate themselves. Really weird how consistent it is.
>>23905450>They require a stream of ceaseless optimism to counter out their natural propensity to hate themselves.Isn't this what heroin was made for?
>completing Haman's character arc without CharZZ sucks.
>>23905175Moon-Moon felt like Star Trek or SG-1 So I liked it.Also ZZ is kinda hurt by the current translation. It's pretty sloppy (Google for examples, there are a couple breakdowns like one explaining why that psychic girl died despite not being hit.)
>>23905500You referring to the translation with all the standard internet insults thrown in?
>>23906593No, I don't remember those in the one I watched (EG I believe). Excuse the Reddit link. https://www.reddit.com/r/Gundam/comments/1r6qt7o/psa_the_most_commonly_found_subtitles_for_zz_are/
i'm like 15 eps in and ZZ is pure ass aimed at toddlers.I understand they wanted to backpedal from Zeta's ending, but going in from from 0079, to Zeta, to Double Zeta hurts.I've heard it gets more serious later, but I wouldn't be surprised if ZZ is why early gundam fans drop the franchise.You could seriously turn the first 10 episodes into 1 proper episode where judo joins the ship permanently and that's it.
>>23907051EG has already released updated subs for ZZ using official translations 10 years ago, which version do you have?https://nyaa.si/view/660257
>>23907062Sxales is what I have actually (must have replaced the original EG years ago with a 1080 version). Regardless, my point was that a lot of people saw the original subbing which made it look worse than it is.
>>23897959that's what my takeaway was on first watch.
>>23907284Subs are res-specific?
>>23908149They are release specific? Pretty sure the original EG was 720p, otherwise I don't see why I replaced them.
>>23907061>i'm like 15 eps in and ZZ is pure ass aimed at toddlers.I think it's around 20 or 25 when it flips to kino. It's like the opposite of Zeta in that sense.
>>23908156res = resolution
>>23907061Tomino wanted the entire series to be like those episodes, Sunrise said "Fuck no"
>>23908702yeah I need to follow though. I just keep choosing gunpla over watching subs>>23908802i'm ok with a silly comedy gundam, but tying it to Zeta and forcing people to watch it to find out what happens to haman and kamille leaves you with certain expectations. Hell, from the intro I assumed amuro and char were in too.personally I think the worst thing has been second hand embarrassment over how they keep treating captain bright.
>>23908822I watched 0079 and Zeta and dropped ZZ cold dead.Both 0079 and Zeta suffer from the same problem of having a cool story 70% of the time but then just dropping absolute turds for the rest. I can forgive 0079 to some extent because it was cancelled early, but this obsession with Lalah is excruciating. Even then it still kinda tried to take itself seriously.But then they bring it in Zeta as this narratively important thing, and then fucking spirits of dead pilots and magic powers of persuasion on BPD bitches being the source of virtually ALL conflict, culminating with the MC ending up a literal mouth drooling retard is just.... *impressively* stupid. How the fuck they looked at that and thought they'd survive a sequel is beyond me. Thank fuck for the toy sales right?
