>>23878838Why would there be a rock there?
>>23878892Haman carried it along for the picture. It's her pet rock, please be nice to her
>>23878902>please be nice to herHow do you know the rock is a girl?
>>23879050I sexed the rock
CDA retconned this to be a staged photo while they were on a spy operation
>>23880180i like the version when he just groom her.
>>23880180Not canon and also doesn't make sense given what is said between them in Zeta. What is more likely is that at the very minimum they had some kind of significant relationship that fell through because Char is a little baby and also sensed that she was a sociopath. If you wanna extrapolate things out a little they may have even sexo'd but as we all know, sex isn't real
>>23878838Gyatt
>>23880466the Gyatt Dayum, a Mobile Armor powered by the donkommu system
>>23880450>>23880180>>23880440Man I hope Kitazume does a ZZ Define. Not because it'd be good, but because I am deathly curious what he'll do with Glemy
>>23880450It works with Zeta because she was still into him, and was treating the photo as real.
>>23879320>char would rather fuck a rock than hamangrim...
>>23881105Why? They both just lie there kinda motionless and are heavy. At least the rock doesn't complain afterwards.
>>23878838Whenever I see this image all I see is Char sloth and Haman’s adult head on the body of a 16(?) year old
>>23881137I mean she's barely 20 in zeta.
>>23880482What would be funnier? Trying to justify all of Glemy's retardation flimsily or doubling down and making him an openly pedophilic Puru molester?
I love these two retarded pedophiles.
Haman my goat
Is Char a tits or an ass man?
Now that I think about it I wouldn't be surprised if this entire outfit was just shapewear keeping everything sucked in and tucked up. Bitch probably has stretch marks on her hips by the end of ZZ.
>>23881362>ywn plap a slightly tubby haman who's insecure about her weightFUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
>>23878838Don't call Haman an "it"
I wish Haman would rape me to death
>>23881303Lmao what is that look she's giving
>>23881374She's super depressed after a huge breakup and who is going to tell her that McDonald's won't make her feel better? You? You don't have the balls.
>>23881497I imagine eating McDonald's would create a vicous cycle of depression due to its connection to Char. Poor HamanMaybe she could eat at McDaniels. Char has never been there, nor is it connected to him any way.
>>23881497>>23881635Don’t listen to these fools! Nothing feels better for a woman than gaining thirty pounds! I have no ulterior motive.
>>23881643Goddammit scirroco your architectural proclivities are going too far
>>23881256Is that from the OL manga?
>>23881362Care to explain your rationale?
>>23878838Char'd rather rape Mineva than touching that pink hair hag
>>23880450It makes more sense for Haman to be this pissy because Char didn't fuck her.
>>23881635>McDanielsThat anything like Macdaniel?
What's their order?
>>23883422Looks like a double cheeseburger and a fish filet.
>>23883422>gloves>fingers over patty>loose gripthis manchild should learn how to eat a burger, or will he need his momma for this too?
>>23884991Maybe that's the idea.
>>23878892Obviously for photo ops.
>>23884991>no seriously gtfo.pngFTFY
>>23878838>he doesn't have a rock on his bridgethirdie bitch
>>23884991Why woukd you want your fingers covered in grease?
>>23890818Why is Mineva making eyes at Haman?
>>23890839let me tell you about this revolutionary thing called "washing your hands"
>>23891802His girlfriend is Indian, please understand
>>23891949But is she a practicing Hindu?
>>23881195They have the Ghiren clone excuse, just expand on that to make him a tad more sympathetic vs being a one-note Roux simp pre-ZZ tone shift
I wish I shipped Char and Amuro like a normal person.
>>23893496Hey, she even brought the rock with her!
>>23894466Right?
>>23893496Only mentally ill women, faggots and obnoxious americans ship them.
>>23880440It's crazy that hes actually just a full groomer and they have to run massive retcon damage control to make him less based
>>23894732>have to run massive retcon damage controlI know right?
>>23894468I see what they did there.
>>23894737Is that MTL or something?
>>23890818How did I only now just notice that Young Haman looks like Quess
>>23897366Just because of her hair?
>>23898961Bot post.
>>23881137>Char slothWhat?
>>23898961Well yeah, its the exact same hairstyle
>>23881348>Has mommy issues Come on anon, this one is easy.
>>23900473No it's not, it's too symmetrical.
>>23878838He didn't. That's why she's angry.
>>23904762Is she dressed as another character?
>>23905888Can anyone read that handwriting?
>>23894468Why is she sweating so profusely?
>>23884991cobra ate pizza with gloves on skill issue on your side
>>23881348Clit
>>23908104The dildo
>>23908518Don't reply to the bot.
>>23908517wat
>>23908522But he didn't reply to you.
>>23905888I don't recall her hair having been that long.
>>23894732>damage control>make him less basedIsn't that contradictory?
>>23914309Bot post.
>>23894468That illustration makes the rock look more like a wooden platform.
>>23915836Brilliant and witty observation. Thank you for your huge contribution to this thread.
>>23905884Machu
Kycilia molested Char when they were both children and while he's mostly repressed the exact events if not just forgotten it entirely due to being like 4 at the time (happens a lot with childhood trauma in reality), some part of him still remembers the feelings of the experience and is disturbed by them on a psychological/physical level. Kycilia still remembers it, and alluding to "playing with" him in their conversation about her knowing his identity was almost a power play that might have triggered him on some instinctual level. This is also why he made sure to kill her in a much more hands-on way compared to Garma, who didn't really do anything to him personally.I actually believe this. I'm not even trying to claim it's at the root of like his psychological issues or issues with other women or anything really; I just think it's something that happened and that it probably didn't help.
>>23916772Also yeah I realize the OP image is Haman; this topic just felt like the closest match
>>23916777It's okay. Kycilia probably also molested Haman too.
>>23916772>Kycilia molested Char when they were both childrenfuck off origintard.
>>23916814This isn't even based off Origin but just the existing dynamic/tension and hinted past between the characters in the original anime. If anything the Origin writer was playing off those same themes, but the idea of Kycilia having a weird dynamic with Char and vice versa was already there from the start.
>>23916828it's a completely one sided penis envy.
>>23916883I didn't know the male anatomy had only one side.
>>23916772>Kycilia molested Char when they were both children[citation needed]
>>23918524It's just a theory about their personal history together suggested by their dynamics in the original anime and based off their established ages. They're fictional characters anyway so there's no real way to prove or disprove this (outside of outright asking someone from the original 0079 crew "did kycilia molest char" i guess) but I think it fits well with the events of the show.Also as mentioned here >>23916828, it's interesting how later Gundam things referencing UC by different people keep returning to a semi-suggestive tension between Kycilia and Char, often with him as a child. Like other creators are picking up the vibes that the original work was putting down. I'm not actually saying they'd agree with me that molestation took place but I think something weird was going on there at least
>>23918646>>23916772interesting. can you explain the Deikun and Zabi family childhood stuff? I don't really understand why they all lived together. i get that Zeon Deikun was a public and spiritual leader for the people and he was betrayed by Zabi, but how old was Char and how did all that play out? Where and why and when would Kycilia even have the oppurtunity?I've only seen the original series and I guess Gquuuux has some Kycilia stuff, but I don't feel like I understood why they knew each other as kids. No the Origin pls, it has a sinister aura. (wait I think I just answered my own question, it isnt that I missed it, its that it probably didnt get the details explained until the Origin, which I stubbornly denounce and reject)Garma knew Char but never Casval?
>>23918700Sure, this will be pretty long and some of the answers might be shitty, but I'll try my best>can you explain the Deikun and Zabi family childhood stuff?I don't know if there's anything out there that gives a complete picture and there's definitely some info I'm missing (probably included in a novel or Japan-only reference book somewhere, which I'm not as familiar with), but Degwin worked closely with/under Zeon before his death (wiki says Chief of Staff to his Prime Minister) and so I guess members of both families would have vaguely known each other in the manner of like a colleague's family members you only see occasionally. Probably not particularly close outside of Zeon + Degwin though. They might not have actually lived together so much as spending a lot of time at work maybe? But Degwin was at Zeon's deathbed>how old was Char and how did all that play out?Char and Sayla's age during their father's death isn't really spelled out in the anime and honestly seems a little inconsistent. Like in the early eps Char had a line that they hadn't seen each other in 10 years, meaning they were separated as young as 9 and 7. So that's the oldest they could be at their father's death given that the flashback of them living with Jimba Ral that we see has them as prepubescent childrenThe inconsistency comes like 30 eps later with Char telling Sayla he left (?) high school to join the military academy, which would mean they last saw each other as teens anywhere from like 2-5 years before. This doesn't make too much sense given that they weren't 100% sure of each other's identities immediately, making it more likely they last saw each other as kidsIf we're to take both of these things as true that'd mean Char somehow left when they were both kids, went somewhere else, and then entered the Zeon military academy as a teen. That's overly convoluted and I don't think it's what they were actually going for but we just don't get a clear answer either way
>>23918700>>23918733But anyway, in Tomino's novels (which I'm not completely familiar with) they do explicitly say Zeon died when Casval was 6 and Artesia was 3. This helps explain why Sayla's more easily able to move on and Char's not, she most likely doesn't remember their father at all, but also feels a little young to meThat said I think both the novel and definitely the anime introduce some doubt as to whether Zeon was assassinated at all, implying that characters like Char + Jimba Ral were convinced of this without proof and that Char's crusade against the Zabis might not even be based on reality. So putting Casval younger at his father's death does help explain why he'd so easily be convinced of this, like he might not even remember the details anymore but just formed his beliefs about Zeon's death based on what he was toldI don't remember if we got more details on the nature of Zeon's death itself? In the original script outlines for the show, made when they were still expecting it would run for 52 episodes, it was going to be revealed in one of the later eps that Degwin actually did order the assassination of Zeon, but in the final show it feels much more vague if he was even assassinated at allI kind of went on a tangent here, sorry>Where and why and when would Kycilia even have the oppurtunity?But anyway I'd assume they just had all the kids of a similar age play together at a time when the fathers were meeting at one another's homes for work reasons/maybe even to socialize. Kycilia comes off way older than Char visually but at the time of the original anime she was intended to be 24 when Char was 19/20, so like a 4-5 year age difference between themI figure that's young enough that they were left to play together unsupervised with Kycilia in charge at the times when their families met up, but not with her officially babysitting or anything. The quote from the novel that a Gquuuuuux Kycilia scene was based on says they played pretty often
>>23918747>>23918700Didn't mention Kycilia's brothers, but I guess just for completeness' sake Gihren would've already been an adult then and most likely wasn't there at all, Dozle would've been like 12/13 and probably wasn't involved in playing with the younger kids or was at school or whatever.Since Artesia still would've been a literal infant then it was most likely just Casval, Kycilia, and maybe Garma but that's not clear >Garma knew Char but never Casval?And yeah you're right, that's never explained. I don't think there's an official answer. Maybe it was just Kycilia looking after Casval, but maybe Garma also came over and Char just doesn't remember, either due to being like 4 then or some Kycilia-related trauma. Char does legit seem surprised/disturbed when Kycilia mentions playing with him when he was little, so really feels like he forgot that happened entirely?It's possible that if Garma was there, both he and Casval were young enough to have forgotten about meeting then and believe they met for the first time at the military academy as teens. If they (particularly Garma) did remember it a little, you're not necessarily going to assume that the guy you met as a teen is the same guy you played with in preschool, especially if he has a different name.Going back to my theory which I've mostly tried to keep out of these infodump posts, I just realized it's fitting/possible that Char actually remembers playing with GARMA then but completely blocked out Kycilia. He does have more affection for Garma honestly and maybe remembering him as a little kid played into that.Think this is everything, hope some of it helps and sorry if my answers are too wordy/unclear
>>23918747>>23918755Char had a childhood crush on Kycilia (being the only girl he was exposed to and an older one at that) which then became confused with erotic tensions when he decided to pursue vengeanceShe probably comforted him after his mother died
>>23918755nah you're cool, I like your posts.I never noticed that Ramba Ral's father took in the Deikun kids. Early Zeon stuff feels very fleshed out (behind the scenes) as in, Tomino gave these relationships and their tragedy quite a bit of thought even if it doesn't get entirely put to screen. Gundam is kind of a masterpiece, very layered "fleshy" characters. side tangent; Tomino really GETS people, including the way politics and relationships play out. He probably has a strong empathic ability in a way that most people don't. It could be why he felt compelled to use "newtypes".anyway I usually roll my eyes at fan theories that include mega-dark themes based on very little evidence, but yours might stick with me. Char's crusade against the Zabis climaxed at his bizarrely violent and personal slaying of Kycilia specifically, maybe it carried more weight than we know. Char really didn't position himself to kill the other onesidk it would explain the grooming of Haman and the weird hollow suicidal colony drop later. Unresolved trauma, far beyond Sayla>>23918803what makes you say that? maybe I'm wrong but I don't remember anything to suggest Char had a crush on Kycilia. I can't remember if it was the novel or gquuuux that had it be a weird one-sided Kycilia fixation. That kind of selfish eugenic jealousy that comes naturally to girls where she wanted his life, his child in her, and to be a mother to him at the same time. Char meanwhile was honestly too young for crushes. Idk about any of you lads, but me and the bros didn't pay girls any mind until we hit puberty. Amuro crushing on Matilda is perfectly placed for this reason imo
Char lost his soul mate, that can't easily be replaced.
>>23918803We never get a deep dive on his life and feelings as a child but I don't think he liked Kycilia much. Narrative paints any kind of attraction between them as all from her perspective and is about her 'losing' him to Lalah in the anime and to her own secretary in the novel.
>>23918848She had a secretary?
>>23918646What dynamics are you referring to?
>>23919784I'm writing a response to this right now and it's really long and still not done so it's going to be cringe probably, just thought I'd warn you. It maybe moved away from just dynamics and into more just me throwing most of the observations I have at the wall
>>23919784This is going to be long as fuck so sorry in advance. Despite this the individual points obviously aren't going to be super deep, because from memory I feel like Char and Kycilia only directly interact in a handful of episodes, and in one of those the entirety of their interactions is just Char killing her. So these may or may not feel like bullshit depending on your take. But here's the stuff that stuck out to me in the anime. I'm mostly talking about the original series here but will refer to the compilation movie re: any interesting changes it made and other Gundam stuff like the novels in cases where one clearly influenced the other:>Kycilia is attracted to CharStuff like the novels is more explicit, but Kycilia seems into Char, or maybe more accurately in terms of how she outwardly behaves, jealous of Lalah because she's in a relationship with Char. It feels like in that scene where all 3 of them are together, she kind of indirectly snipes at Lalah a few times, literally making fun of her outfit almost and pushing Char to get her an actual uniform. Stands out a little that Lalah's dress is more clearly feminine and a uniform would be more sexless.On its own this point isn't really saying much but kind of sets the stage for the later stuff.>Kycilia's dynamic with Char in various media is repeatedly framed in terms of her memories of/interactions with him as a small childAs mentioned, she remembers playing with him when he was 4, and both this and the age are a pretty specific thing to mention to him. She found out his real identity late in 0079 just through having her men do research offscreen apparently, because she was impressed with Char finding Lalah for use in battle, so it's not like she instantly recognized him by sight or that those childhood memories played a role in identifying him. This memory of playing with him just seems like a specific unrelated thing she held onto for years and chooses to mention to him here.
>>23919784>>23920004Tomino's novels from around the same time go more detailed with Kycilia being fixated on Casval as a child even into adulthood, with him having a perfect "storybook" appearance, and recently GQuuuuuuX had a scene that directly quoted or at least clearly referenced this passage and was about similar themes re: her fixation on Casval.Stuff like the third compilation movie and later 0079 adaptations like the manga in pic related add more dialogue from Kycilia about finding him/his behavior in taking revenge "cute," as though even now she's still regarding him as a child, but in an affectionate way.And while it's obviously a different take/scenario since the ages etc. are different, Origin also makes sure to include a scene where Kycilia interacts with him as a kid.It seems to be a constant whenever Kycilia appears with Char in Gundam media that she's represented as being fixated on him since his childhood.>Kycilia consistently has power over CharAs mentioned, Kycilia seems to specifically bring up playing with Char as a kid in the identity reveal scene as a power play/show of dominance. Almost a way to humiliate/intimidate him and remind him of his place. The fact that she remembers this and he doesn't adds to this effect.Kycilia would've been about 8-9 if she played with Casval when he was 4. That's actually a pretty big age gap between kids (more of a difference in their ages than between Char and his own younger sister), and implies that at the time she'd have been stronger physically, more aware/socially dominant, and most likely even put in charge of him by their parents. It's not a more even social dynamic like Char and Garma, who were the same age and in the same peer group at military school.
>>23920007>>23919784While again, different interpretation/different timeline, it's pretty interesting that something like Origin increases the difference in their ages and adds a more overt "bad touch" kind of element to the scene of them interacting in his childhood. I mention this not to say it proves anything about the original anime, but just to show how even people who worked on the original show apparently found the line about Kycilia "playing with" Casval as somewhat ominous. They easily could've put a flashback image in 0079 of them playing, like with Char and Sayla's childhood, to show the line was meant completely innocently, but they didn't.>Char does not feel the same about KyciliaWe have pretty much zero indication Char feels or has ever felt positively about Kycilia at all. He obviously doesn't display any attraction to her, or seem to have any doubt about taking revenge on her.Char seems to have some regrets about killing Garma: he refers to him a few times after his death which shows he's still thinking about it, even as he's outwardly gloating to Garma during the betrayal scene he also goes out of his way to say that he was a good friend and it wasn't his own fault which could imply being conflicted, I think the compilation movie even added explicit dialogue about Char regretting having killed him? People's takes on this kinda vary but I think Japanese fans more frequently see it as Char definitely regretting it. Now obviously Char and Garma at least interacted as friends for a few years and you can kinda see them have banter sometimes in their scenes, but Kycilia was involved in Char's childhood too and he doesn't care.
>>23919784>>23920011It's not implausible that he could've just legit forgotten because it was like 15+ years ago, but 4 is an age where kids are able to retain long-term memories and it's interesting he has no memory of interacting with her when it happened repeatedly. Especially since a lot of his motivation in 0079 IS based on his childhood: avenging his father, his memory of Jimba Ral's theories about the Zabis' involvement in Zeon's death, his desire to not hurt Sayla who he hasn't seen in years. Kycilia having this memory that he doesn't further displays her dominance over him.>Char is intimidated by KyciliaSome of this is definitely just "shit she knows who I really am and I could be killed right here" and so I'll admit that upfront, but Char seems shaken in the identity reveal scene after Kycilia mentions playing with him as a kid. He reacts with surprise after she first reveals she knows who he is, but after she talks more about their childhood he seems a little more visibly disturbed. He has a line about not being able to stop his hands from shaking that's pretty famous among Japanese Gundam fans (you don't see this in the animation but it seems like it's meant to be sincere) and his voice acting even sounds audibly weaker/defeated. He even says he suspected something like this would happen as soon as Kycilia summoned him to meet with her, with the movie having him stuttering on one line as he speaks to her even before she reveals she knows who he really is.
>>23920018>>23919784Now, there's actually nothing in the plot up till now that'd point to him having reason to expect this from her. He didn't do anything prior to this to reveal his identity that would've been notable enough for her to find out about. Kycilia learning this wasn't even based on anything he actually did in a prior episode, but just something she discovered through her own research. The last ep ended with Lalah doing unprecedently well in a fight too, so it wasn't like he thought he was going to be called out for his performance on the battlefield. And we've seen characters with higher military positions than Char in previous episodes criticize him for failing to do his job, and his mind didn't instantly jump to the worst-case scenario of being caught then.For whatever reason Char seems specifically intimidated by Kycilia on a subconscious level, since he barely interacted with her before this or remembered her role in his life, and seems to expect her above all others (except Amuro I guess, but a combat situation is kind of a different thing) as being able to ruin his plans.
>>23920023>>23919784>Char wanted to watch Kycilia dieNow it is important to establish that Kycilia's death wasn't specifically planned out in advance and was just Char getting lucky. Like, he didn't know he'd happen to come across a dying soldier with a bazooka at just the right time/place as when Kycilia's ship was leaving; it's not like he'd planned anything out beyond killing Kycilia at some point in the future.But he did obviously know that A Baoa Qu was under attack at the time and that her ship probably wouldn't make it out intact anyway, considering he knew his own life was at risk staying inside it in the first place. Garma's death was pretty hands-off on his part, with him letting White Base do the main work and just watching it happen. He could've easily done the same thing with the Federation (?) forces that end up shooting down Kycilia's ship about 10 seconds later anyway, or taken the shot from a different angle so she wouldn't see it coming, etc.But he specifically wanted to, at the risk of his own life, get directly in front of the window she was seated at, facing her specifically, so that he could kill her personally and she'd know he did it. It feels a little out of proportion, even considering his revenge plan, when we really haven't seen her do much against him onscreen (she even feels more tolerant toward him than you'd expect given she actually knew his plot against the Zabis). His expression just before the headshot varies between the series and movie and I'm not sure which works better, but they imply a level of hate/tension toward her and satisfaction in taking her out that wasn't shown before now, making it feel like there's more between the characters than we got to see.OKAY THAT'S ITsrry
>>23919784Okay wait I left out two paragraphs by accident since I was copying and pasting this from elsewhere, so here's some bonus stuff.>This paragraph was meant to follow the end of >>23920007It's also interesting how much older Kycilia is drawn than Char. While we know her intended age due to material outside of the show, a viewer watching for the first time would likely think she's way older, which would add to the tension of the scene and her perceived power over him, and this effect could've been a deliberate artistic choice.>and this one was meant to go at the beginning of >>23920018>Char doesn't seem to remember Kycilia's connection to him at allBoth the wording in the anime and the text in the novels makes it seem like Kycilia playing with Casval wasn't a one-off thing but something that happened repeatedly, since their families were connected. But Char doesn't seem to have any memory/feelings about Kycilia as a childhood friend or older sister figure, not even reluctantly like he seems to feel about his friendship with Garma. Kycilia outright asking Char if he's forgotten seems to imply to the audience that he actually has.
>>23919783yeah, Margaret King Blair.
>>23919913i will read your blog, anon.
Hammerhead Chark
>>23920007>It's not a more even social dynamic like Char and Garma, who were the same age and in the same peer group at military school.Odds they experimented with each other?
>>23920746high
>>23920746None whatsoever.
>>23920746Low but not zero
>>23920744Reminds me of the /m/ take on the I'm a shark meme.
>>23920004>>23920007>>23920011>>23920018>>23920023>>23920036>>23920063nta btw
>>23923253To be fair this >>23916772 was pretty much all I originally planned to say here on the topic, but I figured if anon wanted to know my reasoning I might as well put out everything I could think of on the subject.After posting I even thought of a few more things about Kycilia that I could have said, but didn't want to make it any longer than it already was.
>>23918839What's she look so smug about?
>>23925005I think the rider boots would've suited her better.
>>23925532They would've suited Jupiter better than Mercury as well. Too bad the mangaka didn't think share that opinion.
>>23927798Is that the pink princess's anthro'd Haro?
>>23918733How did Casval even get up there?
>>23928311Has the power of Belija
>>23929543What (who?) is that?
>>23927798I don't recall that outfit having a window.
>>23926916>think share
>>23929487He climbed.
>>23906862It's not that hard to read. It's pretty good penmanship.
>>23881303>>23881348>>23881362Is her vagina usually wet or dry?
>>23934168icy
>>23934168Goes good with Rye.
>>23935042What, the grain?
>>23934129The same can be said of calligrapy. Doesn't make it not illegible.
>>23935251Ham…man
>>23936431Don't you mean Ham...on?
>>23936402Why would you anonymously pretend to read/speak Japanese?If you are so curious to what it says you should beg me, specifically, like a dog to translate it for you, because for a person that actually knows the language it takes 2 seconds to read it, instead of however long it took to write these retarded responses.
>>23937367The shit that kills vampires? I thought that was The Ripple?
>>23937397I'm more interested in the kanji. Those are the only parts of the inscriptions I can't read.
>>23937520I don't get it.
>>23940355Jojos Adventure anon
>>23941124You mean the Bizarre one?
>>23941269no Bara
>>23941295Barazarre?
>>23942322I read that as bazaar.
>>23880180CDA sucks cock.
