All and everything of Late universal centuryPrevious thread >>23801000
>>23878969I've never seen a greebled up mech face before
>>23878972I guess you haven't seen the last gundam anime.
>>23878969Was there really a need for this thread? I don't mind it but the last one pretty much ran out of steam halfway through, and it's not like we have much discussions here anyway. We'll see how this one goes, just don't be surprised if it ends up kinda boring.
>>23878987Not OP, but I want a thread to look up new Monthly Mobile stuff.It's not needed for me per se, but it is useful.
>>23878987I figured at least ONE MORE would be fine, also >>23879004 might have nailed it cause a new one might’ve come out already
>>23879013There's also an aspect that this board is slow enough to host slow threads like that anyway, so why not have this thread? It's not like it took place of an important discussion thread or something.
>>23879065That’s also true
>>23878972cluster**{fuck}**
>>23879004>>23879013guess I'll prove you right after all, meet ya boi Den'an DeiProbably gonna find the full thing later tonight idk
>>23879932WOO-HOO it really is a new Vanguard variant
lmao omg
some kinda fuckass modified GaplantGaplant Kai with a visor maybe??
Unsurprisingly the first proposed Jamesgun design is close to the early production type we knowAnd apparently there's some reference to Gigantis Counterattack omegalul
>>23879934Also if I’m now mistaken was buch actually offering the RBX-01 as ANOTHER COMPETITOR to the F80 and hardygun? That would be legitimately insane history development>>23879939lol SD Gundam but what’s funky zeta plus variant, could that be what the EFF was wanting for a miniature REZEL a proof of concept machine?
>>23879949Also>>23879946 I must’ve been correct then, there’s the fabled jamesgun prototype
>>23879949>was buch actually offering the RBX-01 as ANOTHER COMPETITOR to the F80 and hardygun?I understand that was the "official" reasoning, in practice they wanted to use that as an excuse to have it tested in combat and never intended to extend the contract with EFF for mass production.>could that be what the EFF was wanting for a miniature REZELIt's the Type 99 from Engage, basically Anaheim tried to make a Hyaku Shiki on steroids in UC 0120s. Visually it's a reference to Nagano's mecha and to the Zeta draft from the first opening.
>>23879939>>23879946i double checked, these lil guys ARE the Gigantis reference. Cute!
>>23879956Oooh sneaky on buch’s counterpart. Also wow UC engage acknowledged outside of games for the first time here, yes I do know about the type 99
>>23879065Honestly besides GBO, these threads and the AoZ threads are the only things I come here for any more. I like the laid back nature of them
ere we go
>>23880131>collecting data is indispensable in MS development>it goes without saying SNRI's cooperation with the Fastest Formula unit was mainly to gather data from the F90>even without getting into the Gundam and White Base, combat data with all its variables and unpredictabilities has value that cannot be measured in money>RBX-1 [Den'an Dei] was developed for exactly this purpose>the recent disclosure of information about the 2nd Olsmobile War finally shed more light on this model>in late autumn of UC 0120, when the General Staff HQ was still reeling from the theft of F90 unit 2 Buch Concern proposed they would supply them with the Den'an Dei. Free of charge.>officials were lukewarm, the RGM-X project was already provisionally decided with the RGM-118X (later Jamesgun) and the Hardygun and Gunraid given their own roles>but Buch's proposal was unprecented>Free of charge, spare parts supplied at no extra cost. Maintenance staff at Buch's expense. Buch provides their own test pilots.>at the time the military was pressured to cut back spending>ever since Char's Rebellion despite small scale conflicts like the Laplace Incident and Mafty Rebellion there have no true wars between nations>as such, it was seen as unacceptable to spend so much taxpayer money on an army seen at best as an astronaut training organization and an unemployment welfare system at worst>even RGM-X was part of this trend>driven by the Assembly's "TT Concept" (Thousand and Three hundred) proposal to limit Earth Sphere mobile suits to 1000 units and 300 battleships the focus was on improving individual cost-performance ratio>for the EFF that struggled to keep the Jegan up to date (partly due to the delays with the next gen model after Heavygun) and the accountants handling the budgets Buch Concern's proposal was too good to ignore>even ignoring that they were later welcomed in Buch as consultants after retirement or provided with unlisted shares and property[1]
>>23880013Almost the same for me, when it comes to Gundam threads specifically.>AoZ threadsRIP.
>>23880131>on the other hand the military leadership welcomed it>ever since the end of Haman's war EFF struggled with preventing its soldiers in active service from refusing to right>this is one of the causes behind their slow response to the Cosmo Babylonia Founding War and their reliance on local resistance groups>court martials existed, but the inherent peaceful nature of an absolute democracy and its citizens hindered any war effort>likewise, the absence of exemplary punishments - like the guillotine - only encourages cowardice>as such, Buch's elite, motivated volunteer soldiers were welcomed with open arms in the war against Oldsmobile>Naturally, this entire plan was brimming with Carazzo Ronah's typical humor>To use the EFF - the very organization he meant to overthrow - to conduct trials of their new mobile suits and train his troops? The costs were like a drop in the bucket in comparison.Den'an Dei>About 60% of the frame and armor is derived from Den'an Zon and Den'an series workers>shoulder and leg sections are equipped with amplifier aids* and cooling systems adopted in the Berga series and featured F-series standard hardpoints>the rear skirt is compatible with F80 hardpoints>Buch had obtained F series data through SNRI and was eager to incorporate its advantages>given they intended to absorb the EFF, this was only natural>The backpack utilizes Buch's newly developed shelf nozzles, though original technology dates back to Gryps Conflict>though still a "shelf" thruster it doesn't use plasma thrusters or chemical rockets and instead consists of six nozzles directly connected to the thermonuclear reactor in the backpack>these thermonuclear rocket engines also function as AMBAC limbs and can be detached to serve as mass projectiles in combat>the main reactor was an in-house Buch product>though they initially purchased Anaheim reactors they switched to in-house production in UC 0115 when their plans started to ramp up[2]
>>23880131>Den'an Dei's reactor output was recorded at 3880kw, slightly surpassing Jamesgun's 3850kw>however the early units delivered to EFF struggled to maintain consistent output and needed on-site tuneups>thanks to this they saw a dramatic improvement to overall power stability which significantly contributed to unit performance during the Cosmo Babylonia War>Although primarily equipped with the Heavygun beam rifle, it was capable of mounting F80 equipment>It also carried a Giant Halberd combining the functions of a large heat axe and a pile bunker which proved effective in close combat within colonies and urban areas>left arm had a beam shield and beam gun>Since the Jamesgun of that era had the beam shield only as an optional extra gear, some consider Den'an Dei to be the first mass produced Federation unit equipped with a beam shield>Den'an Dei deployed during the 2nd Oldsmobile War performed well, ensuring Federation's victory and providing Buch with priceless combat data>Stein Bunyil emerged as an ace pilot with 32 kills>military commanders had a high opinion of the machine and even requested its official adoption as a replacement for the cancelled F6 series>A small number of units participated in the Cosmo Babylonia War (with the Federation code for them as XM-01C, CV code unknown) >there were few however, with no major achievements as the Den'an Zon and Berga Giros mass production was in full effect at that point>Nonetheless, the results achieved during the 2nd Oldsmobile War certainly had a significant influence on Crossbone Vanguard's subsequent MS development
>>23880162So more than one existed, and even some slightly new info on their participation in the Cosmos Babylonian foundation wars, very interesting and even had some compatibility with the F80.>>23880150>No capital punishment like the guillotineZanscare trying to flex itself again
>>23880162alrighty, that's that. Reckon Zeonic will drop a more accurate and just plain better translation sooner rather than later, though at this point I've no idea where exactlyA few notes:>>23880150*amplifier aids - not 100% sure on the terminology here honestly, but it's basically just upgrades to the joint drive system. Same terminology is used on GM III's knee units which serve that role.>shelf nozzle stuffThis is clearly referencing the recent Alyzeus and further clarifying some details on the tech. Like Nobuhiko Genma said in a recent interview, they envisioned the concept as existing since UC 0087/88 and could have been tested on GM III or Jegan. Fundamentally no different from shield boosters and Hazel and Gaplant are given as direct examples. I guess that's an indirect AoZ reference then?Buch's take uses the same fundamental concept, but is still a new iteration of it with modern technology.>>23880147>AoZ threads>RIP.no need to be so dramatic, /aoz/ will return in due time, probably whenever Reboot finally updates again. Sometimes it's good to let these things rest and hibernate for a while, especially since the last two threads were anything but laid back.>>23880171>had some compatibility with the F80.yeah they seem to be already hinting at model kit gimmicks, wonder if it will be RE/100 like the other CV suits or how will this work with the F90 hardpoints>Zanscare trying to flex itself againnot very subtle lmao, we gotta remember there's always a degree of anti-EFF and anti-Moon bias in Mobile Machine, it's just become a lot more explicit now that Zanscare officially took over
Strangest thing is that they did not give us a proper lineart of it. If it was a 3d model like F80 we'd already know they're working on a kit. It will be funny when it's announced and 99% of english fans (and like 90% of japanese fans tbf) are gonna wonder wtf is this
>>23880176>anti-Moon biasAre we talking Moon the celestial body or Moon Moon the colony of brain damaged hippies?
>>23879956This is just the Epsy without the chin
>>23880965From Double Fake. Guza based on Scirocco's Morinokumasan
>>23880987>From Double Fake. Guzayes, and there's nothing really Late UC about it>based on Scirocco's Morinokumasanno such thing. It's Bolinoak Samahn, talk like a normal person ffsand saying they're related is pure conjecture anyway
>>23878969What's the Gundam in the OP?
>>23881002OMS-90R2N (F90VN) Mars Gundam Type-N Verethragna
>>23881003Thanks, Anon.
>>23881003Zabine looking XTREME
>>23881003>>23881011Who pilots that monster?
At what point in Late U.C do you think they can cram UC2 in?
>>23881028gremlin
>>23881033Cute.
>>23881032Likely UC 107-110 would be my bet. One last project for full size MS before miniaturization becomes the norm.On another note, does anyone have raw scans for Monthly Mobile 37-43? I think we had 40 put up here, but they've mostly stopped going up online lately.
>>23881032being set in UC 100 is literally the only thing we know about it anon
>>23881045>>23881046Ah, I see. Thanks.
>>23880965Nice an appearance from the actual direct predecessor to the Geara Doga
>>23881064According to one blurb in a video game, sure. And even if they do go with this background it's still one of like 3 "actual direct predecessors" anyway.
>>23881066True
My ideal Late U.C anime would be something set in the 0250's so that we can finally get something animated in the canon after Victory and G-Saviour. That or Gaia Gear.
>>23881088I want 0279.
>>23881046when did they say that?
>>23881099It should be basically a OYW scenario again, showing that the people of the UC have learned nothing so the cycle repeats. Maybe flip it so the Earth is fighting a war of independence and like misuses a big mass driver to shoot some colonies to flip the colony drop scenario.
>>23881113That would be great.
>>23881046Seeing it takes place the year Zeon was reabsorbed into the Federation I’m guessing it deals with some underground plot, probably by the RoZ PM, to thwart it and will end with the Unicorn being destroyed and Banana and Mineva leaving the spotlight and frolicking on some beach under new identities. Maybe they’ll have some cameos of the Xi and Penelope entering design phases at the end and Sayla, Hathaway, and some zeeks on Mars looking up at the sky like they usually do in these shows.
>>23881032the old infographic had it at UC 0104 but that doesn't necessarily mean anything, it's positively antediluvian and it already got other dates wrong anyway
>>23881032>>23881563I'd argue that while the info on the picture is outdated, the intention behind the timeline implies that UC2 happens a year after Hathaway's Flash. It would be UC 0106.It kind of makes sense. Fukui wrote Unicorn as a sequel to CCA of sorts. Unicorn 2 following HF and setting the stage for Late UC is something that he would do.
>>23881116>>23881046>RX-0 successor suit is developed by both Vist foundation and SNRI, and retconned as the ancestor of all formula suits and the ghost/[phantom motif that Jupiter became obsessed withDon't act like they wouldn't do this. We already know from Unicorn's parallel's with Zeta that the new protagonist will be the Judau Ashta to Banana's Kamille. There may also be a "Zeon Civil War" and the debut of Mars Zeon's RF suits
>>23882069That would line up with my speculations of it being the bridge that connects the rest of late UC to the Formula era>yfw Geara Zulu Crossbone Vanguard custom with Den'an style goggles
>>23882284>Don't act like they wouldn't do this.They wouldn't do this for a simple reason. RX-78 is already one if we speak the normal sized suits in multiple ways. And they won't make Unicorn 2 main mecha tiny.>We already know from Unicorn's parallel's with Zeta that the new protagonist will be the Judau Ashta to Banana's Kamille.Jona is already Judau Ashta to Banana's Kamille.
>>23882284what the hell are you on about
>>23882306You should just write a litter to Sunrise and tell them to scrap the project because they already rehashed everything and won't make it origin... Oh wait when they try being "original and subversive" with UC you get GQuuuuuuX.
>>23882307A plot so redundant it would make Narrative blush, since it's unspoken gospel that the UC110s and pre-105 are kept separate timelines completely
>>23882359>>23882367i really hate it when schizos like you find good threads
>>23882368You want Unicorn in Snow White colors with a cape hiding the design for the whole series, and you think that's "original"?
>>23882370I rest my case.
>>23882373If you're not a head writer of the show, there's no reason to go after people for speculating what could happen in it. Especially when the only thing being settled for is a hard reboot that ignores everything except for 1979 and has no suits called "Gundam" in it whatsoever
>>23882376yeaaah no you should be mocked and bullied for this
>>23882380I'm not gong to watch the Live-action MSG movie, especially when it's focused on humans instead of MSes, but I'm sure your woke remake of GQx would be a much more appropriate fit than UC2
>>23882386you realize you're completely incoherent right?
>>23882388It doesn't matter because we both know UC2 will rehash a bunch of crap, this is just a fight about what we think the references and homages will be. The idea that it would be standalone and have nothing to do with the rest of Universal Century is odd to me, so excuse me if I don't get everyone defaulting to it being that.
>>23882392you seem to have a whole heap of assumptions and presumptions about UC2, other people's thoughts on it and probably about everything else in life too
>>23882394I'd rather that than allow it to be influenced by clickbait which prioritizes consuming the product. Getting defensive over it potentially being self-contained despite nothing pointing to that, would indicate a bias towards an 8th MS Team remake as the plot of UC2
>>23880162>replacement for the cancelled F6 seriesOh yeah twist that knife in why don't you huh
>>23882532Well, since we know that it didn't happen, we can assume that Jamesgun's gonna get a striker variation, ha-ha.
>>23881003Maybe this will mean we'll get a re-print of the Mars Gundam soon and in the next few years the 2nd Mars Gundam will get a kit
Wackier than usual stuff happening in Crossbone as of late.Tobia's "lmao I'm a pirate, I'm just gonna steal your daughter" is now coming back to haunt him a few decades later.
>>23883798So how long you give before AE's forced to make a new Gundam suit in order to retain rights to the trademark
>>23883798Prettyyyyyy!!!>>23883807That's not how any of this works
>>23883836Currently in Crossbone's timeline, AE now has sole ownership of the Gundam name, however this means their investors would eventually want them to construct a new suit to prove they plan on using those naming rights, otherwise they'd be forced to relinquish it back to the public domainIt's why the X line dropped Gundam from their names and the Grampus lost the V-fin and red chin
>>23883875>the X lineWhat line is this?
>>23883798How far ahead compared to Ghost is Seerauber again? Looks like Belle finally hit that growth spurt and doesn't quite look so loli anymore.
>>23883903The Crossbones. Their model numbers start with X (to hide they were F97s)
>>23883911Seerauber is around UC 0172, so about a decade after Ghost I think
>>23883798>Arnold wasn't invitedWhat kind of a bro are you, Font?
>>23883807Never, they can just produce commemorative merch and stuff. Or perhaps making a Gundam head mobile worker or a petit mobile would be enough.
>>23884379They can simply make it a modified Javelin with a new head and increased output
>>23884386Do they even still have the Javelin production line by the time of Victory? I'm pretty sure that EFF just keeps using the old stock.Javelin is outdated as fuck regardless.
>>23884390it's the newest mass production MS anon
>>23884398They could also use it to showcase tech that would end up in the RGM-196 Freedom, like the segmented frame
>>23883798who are these?
>>23884398It's two decades old at the point of Victory. You'd imagine LM shared the schematics of Gun-EZ and Victories with Anaheim in exchange of using their Von Braun production plant to make V2s.>>23884401Freedom is, like, 24 years away and also not miniaturized.
>>23884402Protagonists of Crossbone Ghost and Crossborn Dust with their loli wives.
>>23883875Why would pirates respect copyrights of their stolen super weapons
>>23884407okay but if LM shared that data and Anaheim could make a Javelin successor based on them... who exactly would they sell it to? Federation has no interest in a new and untested model and individual colonies and other groups won't have the money for that.>>23884413annoying the biggest megacorporation in existence for the sake of it is kinda stupid
>>23884413The newer Crossbones are built by Jupiter anon. Only the originals were built by SNRI and maintained/modified by pirates.
>>23884407Miniaturization being phased out is likely a result of a future conflict where speed and adaptability of current MS designs lose their benefits
>>23884417>okay but if LM shared that data and Anaheim could make a Javelin successor based on them... who exactly would they sell it to? I don't suggest that they would make them even if they could. I'm saying that they wouldn't base a new mobile suit on Javelin and that they likely don't have Javelin production lines anymore.Unless anon meant salvaging and modifying an existing mobile suit frame for the new Gundam, but there is 0 reason to use Javelin's.>>23884426I'm pretty sure it was a result of smaller mobile suits being more expensive to maintain at the same technological level.
>>23884455>they likely don't have Javelin production lines anymore.and that's just a weird thing to sayit's still the current mass produced MS of the Federation, obviously it's in production. Especially since Jamesgun production only ended in UC 0150.
>>23884460It's the successor, the Javeus, which was scrapped. It added more verniers and replaced the dual lancers with VSBRs
>>23884465now you're just making shit up, Javeous (or however you wanna translate the name) has precisely zero info about its weaponry or any other features
>>23884472I'm merely going off of the composites and interpretations by other artists of it. Unless you're personally involved in its lore you shouldn't get defensive about a design's speculation. It's shite enough that people want every new UC installment to be an 8MST remake
>>23884481ah you're that schizo, okay let's forget this conversation ever happened
>>23884482So speculation of a mobile suit is defamation by default? Very Japanese corporate view of things.
>>23884460>it's still the current mass produced MS of the Federation, obviously it's in production. I don't think that being mass-produced means that production never stops. A lot of times thing gets produced in required numbers for the army + the stockpile. 20+ years of non-stop production at the usual Anaheim's pace? During the era where everyone is calling for downsizing the EFF and its funds get progressively smaller?I'd imagine EFF would have make do with rusty old buckets and maintaining Javelins by cannibalizing the stock.>Especially since Jamesgun production only ended in UC 0150.But then again, Gundam never made much sense. I just remembered that I've read this before somewhere. Can you remind me the source?
>>23884499Victory MSV handbook 2, I believe
>>23884517Thanks.
>>23884465That was never official, it was an artist’s interpretation on what he’d think it would be like, I even said it wasn’t even the actual machine’s specs or weapons, how could you have missed that piece of important detail?
>>23884558That was already said and corrected you don't need to take credit for it
>>23885408>V2 mass production Wasn't the tech for the WoL forever lost outside of the Phantom?
>>23885747no?also it's literally one V2also who cares it's a cool look
>>23885747Anaheim is still right there though. Surely someone remembers the recipe for this moon rabbit.
>>23884481And all of those composities and interpretations are just fucking wrong. It's a name mentioned in the novels, that's it. For all we know it could've harkened back to the original GM.
>>23885747>>23885987Jupiter and Cyclops (i.e. pretty much the late UC Titans of the Earth Sphere but not as cartoonishly evil) effectively reverse engineered and mastered Minovksy Drive WoL tech from the Phantom/Ghost and respectively created their own MD suit production line since then.It's still a high end and very expensive piece of technology, so they're not exactly shitting out armies of WoL mechs, But both Jupiter and the Earth Sphere are capable of fielding out Minovsky Drive mobile suits if they wanted to.
>>23886226That's assuming someone accepts Crossbone as part of continuity, which it isn't. Sunrise doesn't recognize Crossbone, hasn't since the 20th anniversary celebration and so everything that's taken place simply doesn't exist in lore. Why else do you think the Monthly Mobiles and F90FF is overwriting Hasegawa?
A late-UC thread is a funny place to have Crossbone butthurt since pretty much everything in this thread is in ambiguous limbo in terms of canon.
No anime, not canon.Sorry UCkeks. I don't make the rules.
>>23886230>F90FFYou mean the manga where a younger Dogatie and Karas makes an appearance and has a call-forward where a bunch of Crossbone saga suits make an appearance?
>>23886248>canonLol lmao even
>>23886248The F91 had to have come from somewhere anon…
>>23886268>DogatieYou mean Kagatie, from Victory
>>23886280>Kagatie, from VictoryYes, he's also there. Alongside Dogatie and Karas.
>>23886289Man, Dogatie was a pretty swell looking dude before he went (even more) batshit insane.
>>23886226>mastered Minovksy Drive WoLThey didn't, nothing they made managed to fully match the output of the V2's Minovsky Drive, they're all inferior copies.
>>23886292>before he went (even more) batshit insane.Earthnoid pussy, not even once.
>>23886289>Kagatie was stark bald even when youngJupiter really is a cruel place
>>23886300He left the Jupiter Sphere for a reason. Gotta get some of that superior Earth Sphere hair growth tech. Unfortunately, he was too late.
>>23886303And thus the seeds of Zanscare would begin here
>>23886289Dogatie isn't in this your dumbass.
>>23886323Name one other long haired Jovian that Karas would have his ass glued to.Next thing you're gonna say that this monocle nigga isn't Karas.
The sheer amount of hoops some people will always take to deny all facets of Crossbone's existence is honestly kinda funny.
>>23886289>>23886333Isn't that Cypher?
>>23886362It is. Though I don't blame people for forgetting about him because F90FF didn't exactly have a memorable bad guy gallery.Realistically, during the events of F90FF Dogatie would've been in Jupiter plotting and doing other evil Jovian shit. Karas was precisely groomed for the purpose of being his mobile right hand man that could do shit in his place and a bunch of other errands while he remained on Jupiter.And even in Karas' actual youth (probably around the era of the Gyrps conflict or so), Dogatie was already a pale blonde haired man.
>>23886374Christ, how fucking old is Dogatie in Crossbone if he already looked like that in the UC80s.
>>23886379He looked WAY older and more decrepit in Crossbone and was hooked up to a machine. So he's evidently way past his natural lifespan even then. But considering Tetenith's age, that also means he fucked her mom even as a borderline skeleton. Which to be fair, isn't wholly unheard of for old monarchies, which Jupiter was at the time.
>>23886374>F90FF didn't exactly have a memorable bad guy gallery.Huh.I actually remember the asshole Ronah uncle and that one bald guy that returns as one of the main bad guys in F91 Silhouette. Hell, I even remember how Liv's mom became a masked char clone for some fucking reason.. But I legitimately forgot about Cypher until you brought him up.
>>23886399>spoilerYeah, that seemed really out of nowhere. Does it become relevant in F90FF Cluster? I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
>>23886374>It is. Though I don't blame people for forgetting about him because F90FF didn't exactly have a memorable bad guy gallery.I do. He's probably the most memorable one, being Liv's brother of sorts, the original F90 pilot and the guy showing up in Draig.>>23886399So you don't remember Randeggar guy, Zeon remnant grandpa that was used and that one sleazy Anaheim representative that faced off Veronica? Grim for your memory. Covid survivor?I wouldn't even count Galemson as one of the main bad guys, considering he had a heel turn at the very end.>>23886408No. I think it is implied that she's half-blind and that's her seeing aid or something. Kinda like Ace Attorney Godot.
Speaking of Crux, don't we know how he looked when he was younger via his clone in Seerauber?
>>23886408As of vol. 4 in Cluster, she still hasn't made an appearance >>23886446I personally don't like Cypher. Him and Liv's deal gives me the vibe of it just being a UC take on the whole Canard and Kira deal. Which is the part of Astray I dislike the most, and this is coming from a guy that likes Astray.
>>23886460I can't fault you for feeling about it that way, but by itself I feel like it is in line with what UC was always doing and I don't think that it was done that bad.
>The Silhouette Formula (or Silhouette Coefficient) measures the quality of a clustering algorithm by evaluating how similar a data point is to its own cluster compared to other clusters.Heh.
>>23886452>his cloneWhich one of them.
I mean, mass produced clones already had a precedent way early in UC courtesy of the Purus, so this isn't even that high on the Hasegawa-o-meter. And you can't deny the aura of Crux when he goes: IT'S ME to Tobia, er, Curtis here. Just look at the sheer terror in his eyes. Imagine the biggest foe you took out decades ago just gleefully declares to you that he's back and proceeds to completely wreck your current state of the art mobile suit.Though I really wish the Sphin gets an upgrade down the line. Looks a bit too goofy for a final boss suit to me. The Midas already had it right when it comes to Jovian final boss designs.
>>23886526>Just look at the sheer terror in his eyesYou sure it's not just him being blind?
>>23886530Kek. That's probably part of it, but my man was sweating bullets. This guy just relieved the near brush with death he had a decade or so ago against the Midas with his X-0 being bisected through the arm. The X-11's damage was a few meters off this time compared to his experience a decade ago, but this was still probably too close for comfort. Now that I think about it, barring Zabine's X-2, all of the original Crossbones (X-0,X-1,X-3) were wrecked by Tobia.
>>23886544The X-11 Full Cloth variation actually did its fucking job of acting like an armor this time instead of just being an add-on for coolness points and aura farming.
>>23886192By the late UC 140s there'd be no stock or machinery left to mass-produce 18 meter suits, let alone an entire high-spec RF-style line
mysterious motherfucker
>>23886747that's just straight up nonsense, there's still infinity +1 tons of old mobile suits still in use, even nearly century old machines can still be mobile workers
>>23886544>hey mom I trashed the crossbone, AGAIN!"honestly Curtis should have died here but that would have ended rather abruptly for the best UC pilot imo
>>23887154>that would have ended rather abruptly for the best UC pilotQuite Tomino-esque, I like it.
>>23887116That's different from the cost at factory level of restoring old production lines and moulds.
>>23887400I don't think anyone requires mobile suits in numbers that are as high to require the specialized production lines and moulds in one place.RF line in particular is super modular designed to be basically garage built.Also, I wouldn't be surprised that 18 meter suits are still being used as workers and in MS sports. Who is to say that no one makes new replacement parts for them?
>>23887400the whole premise of the RF series is that it's relatively easy to build them with pre-existing supply chains and parts and in old factories, the last aspect in particular is very similar to the Victory
>>23887493This.Fastest Formula manga implies that this is something pioneered by their OCs Karcharitas and Tigris. Then RF series borrowed the design principles and LM improved the quality tenfold with SNRI know-how and newer parts.
>>23886297That's the point; the True Minovsky drive were forever lost, due to many of the developers killed during the Zanscare war. Hell, I even bet that they made sure that all of that information remain confidential so that it wouldn't fall into the wrong hands; otherwise Zanspine would've been a thing.
>>23887534>True Minovsky drive were forever lostgot source for that one buddy? it's just difficult cutting edge tech so it's hard to advance it beyond what V2 could achieve at that point in time
>>23887514That's going a bit far, Randegger Industries participated in the project but they were hardly the only source considering actual Zeon engineers and (indirect, alleged) Anaheim involvement, plus probably other groups. RF series is the culmination of a long history of Zeon's modular and specialized engineering built to take advantage of Federation's large scale military and civilian industry.It is however very likely this is part of what made it for LM to develop a remarkably well designed and good performance mobile suit that can be produced in centuries old factories by random isolated guerillas.
>>23887563I never said that no one else chimed in, but Fastest Formula and Monthly Mobile make it clear that both Randegger MS and RF series are strikingly similar in how they are made, to the point that Tigris II was made at the same place and from the same parts as them and RF Rock reused underwater stealth system from Karcharias.As in, the whole thing of being made from whatever junk is Randegger style. Zeon's modularity is usually more self-centred and any crosscompatibilty with EF stuff there is, is a result of post-OYW MS muttification (not that they were totally incompatible before and during OYW).
>>23887609Randegger is literally just one off hand mention among the list which is itself just one element of the process.Tigris II is little different from the original because the design is already descended from Zeonic engineering, it's essentially the same family as the Gaza series so Oldsmobiles adopted it as "eh close enough" because it was right there already.On that note I wonder if they'll ever follow up on the Randegger plot thread, they just disappeared (and even were noted as such in-universe) but we never got a clear word what exactly happened.
>>23887618It wasn't just one off-hand mention, but okay.>they just disappeared (and even were noted as such in-universe)You mean their head specifically? Dunno, but I imagine that pic is not entirely unrelated.The corporation itself was mentioned doing well enough in Cluster and is still in the MS race. And (this is something I just noticed) Gundam Wiki says that they made Gwigsy.
I'm gonna have to ask this here because without /aoz/ I think this is where all the tech nerds are hanging out.Are all the yellow bits on the Penelope outside of it V-fin supposed to be part of it's Minovsky Craft technology? Or just the bits on it's shoulders and legs? Mainly wondering about the yellow on the chest and on the dragon head.
>>23888001The yellow parts just seem to be cooling vents. Minovsky craft doesn't have a specific thruster or exhaust opening, it basically just creates a cushion of invisible fields that somehow achieve a form of levitation or anti-gravity.
>>23888023NTA, but speaking of cooling, how MS deal with heat dissipation in space problem?
>>23888036It's super inconsistent, some MS will have radiator plates, some MS have cooling vents. Design-wise very few MS have externally visual cooling systems or overheating problems unless it's specifically part of its lore or whatever. Not that we ever get to see UC MS overheat anyway. Off the top of my head, the Dijeh and F91 have cooling fins, Shiro's Ground Gundam was pushed to its limits and the reactor in the chest seemed to almost melt an opening through the body, and in CCA Gyunei misidentifies the Nu's fin funnels as radiator fins at first or something.It's also a possibility that the rocket propellant can double as coolant. It can circulate through the body to collect heat, and the propellant needs to be heated to create thrust anyway. Running the thrusters would produce heat, but also let it escape in the form of the rocket thruster exhaust.https://www.gundamunofficial.com/power.html
>>23888106Radiator plates make sense, but cooling vents in vacuum sounds like something that shouldn't work.
>>23888210Your missing what he said about the propellant being double used as a cooling medium. The heat is put into the liquid/gas propellant, then leaves the suit as it does manuvers, taking the heat with it.
>>23888210Even if there's no air in space, a vent is still useful for ejecting internal coolant gas or fluid. I mean sure for space MS it doesn't need to be a vent, it could just as easily just be a simple nozzle or something, but if it's going to be a cheap multipurpose MS that is deployed on both space and Earth, then a vent will work just fine.
>>23888001it's the "layered" parts on the limbs yeah, other yellows are just regular sensors, vents and what not. They've been pretty consistent with using this to depict Minovsky Craft/Flight, though worth noting Xi's more refined version doesn't light up like a christmass tree anymore>>23888036like other anon said it tends to mostly be cooling vents and the occasional radiator plates. There could also be an aspect of simply running hotter than in ground combat, some early books stated Zakus for example could heat up to "hundreds of degrees" and had to be cooled down after returning to base. That's not something we see in anime of course because it'd just get in the way.
>>23887540They couldn't even make something that was on par with the V2's Minovsky Drive, all posterior Mobile Suits had inferior replicas with lower output and stability.
>>23888615All (known) posterior Mobile Suits are based on a half-assed initial Jovian reverse engineering that was eventually improved to a level nearly indistinguishable from the real deal thanks to Ash's wife and EF funding.And that's without any Anaheim's input. They might've got a few V2 Core Fighters lying around.
It's pretty funny to me how throughout all this Uso's V2 is in perfectly fine state and just gathering dust probably in some factory in central Europe.
>>23888666Yeah, this is pretty interesting Mr. Devilman
Reminder that there will be more RFs.
>>23887563>>23887609>>23887514RF suits also started off with Geara frames. Unlike the Geara Doga, the Jegan and Jesta were formally retired by the UC140s
>>23888789>>23887618
During the upcoming Warring States era, it will be more RFs including homemade RF variants. Possibly RF GMs and non-Zeon designs just to fool pirates into thinking they're a random colony with second-hand OYW era weapons instead of more modernized.
I wonder if the Zakurao(?) is based on the RF models or a separate thing
Borjarnon are RF Zakus.
>>23888803 zakurao is approximately 15m so there'd need to be a miniaturized RF as an in-between i find it more likely that it's probably a bodywork mod for some other grunt
>>23888663Yeah, but the question is why would they need to jump through this many hoops to recreate its Minovsky Drive if the original V2 tech and data were supposedly available all along?
>>23882532what's the f6?
The Noel Wraiths, basically the mass produced Ghost Gundams, were said to operate at like 85% the V2's capacity at least when it comes to its propulsion systems. In terms of firepower, it's vastly inferior to the V2 itself or even its parent unit, the Phantom/Ghost.Now this part is just me just me headcannon-ing and speculating but I think MD technology itself isn't particularly hard to do by the standards of the time, but the missing piece of the puzzle is the other systems/parts for utilization or making efficient use of the MD itself. Case in point, the Prototype for all the mass produced MDs in late UC, the Phantom. I don't actually think Jovian MD technology is inferior to the V2's, but they lacked the knowledge to efficiently and properly integrate it. That's why them wacky Jovians just glued a bunch of i-field generators around the Phantom to prevent the poor thing from exploding when activating its MD. It's actually the duct-taped i-fields around the Phantom gimping its MD output that gives it its iconic ghostly flames.
>>23888812Miniaturized RF could be an RF Geara Doga that uses reverse-engineered Den'an tech to aid in making it smaller
Is the X-11 Fata Morgana already V2 tier or is it still using the "imperfect" Jovian MD technology?
Argent Keil GM
>>23889514bit early for this thread
>>23889514GM III will still exist in the future.
>>23888789>>23888793It doesn't say frames. It says class.Heavygun would be a miniaturized Jegan by the same classification. Barzam and Gundam Mk-II are roughly speaking the same class of mobile suit. It is this kind of thing.Or, pic related. Behold, a GM!
>>23889538>Heavygun would be a miniaturized Jegan by the same classificationBecause it basically is. RF Series is not simply using Geara Doga frames, that's 30 year old blurbs
>>23889514I'm so glad the manga expanded on the suit modifications and made them more varied, it's clear the VR thingie just reuses Origin models for convenience.
>>23888816Only ones who would actually need the Minovsky Drive in the first place are Jovians and they already got their own knock-off as well as a bunch of the political issues.Aside from that, Earth Sphere colonies are too poor to deal with Anaheim aside from necessities, while EF military wing at the time wouldn't cooperate with Lunarians if they could help it.
Mars Zeon indirectly tells you how AoZ will end up.
>>23888816you can have a blueprint for something but that doesn't mean you have the facilities, personnel with knowhow and funds to make it and keep making it. Keep in mind the whole time Cyclops isn't trying to just build a V2 Gundam, they're trying to make the system usable in mass production.>>23889546Yes that has always been the point.
>>23888844Originally SNRI planned to also make specialized mobile suits with GM Striker like role. It was F6 series (F60, F61, etc).
>>23889541Yes, that was pretty much the point I was making.RF frames are new. Geara Doga is roughly speaking just the performance target (and parts donor, though that is shared with Jegans, Karls and Messers). And I don't mean just in terms of raw power output, but feature-wise as well.
>>23888844To quote the official description: >Local Combat Type Mobile Suit (due to the performance improvements of the F90 and F70 series, it is discontinued in everything but its code number)Think stuff like GM Striker, yes, but also specialized colony/urban combat models akin to Gaz-L/R or G-Line Assault Armour. Hardygun Blitzkrieg inherits the same role, though it's niche enough it was decided there was no need for a whole MS series dedicated to it the way midrange support had F7 series.Ironically widespread beam shield adoption showed that'd actually be a pretty effective concept, as it's what Crossbone Gundam uses to counter them.
>>23889552Ah okie gotcha, I misunderstood.
An irony is given the F71 G-Cannon's caliber, Zaku machineguns would be deadlier if they hit against miniaturized MS with less total mass than they are immediately before miniaturization started.
Miniaturized MS turned out too expensive for most. And by G-Savior, everyone's using bigger machines again.
>>23889574Wait, so MS miniaturization happened because MS became too expensive, but then they ended it because miniaturization became too expensive also?
>>23889602They didn't end it, at this point it was just too expensive to get on the trend for small groups and private contractors.G Savior is a different situation, by then the entire economy is an entirely different system.
>>23889514It's weird how The Origin versions of MS are starting to slowly cameo in primary UC works.It's like they're trying to slowly erode away the canon barrier between 0079 proper and The Origin in regards to Post-OYW works, so they can un-segregate it's events and have it fit better as a prequel to UC's events, going forward in the franchise. If the Remaster is actually a full Remake, I fully expect to see either The Origin's GM or both existing in the same setting.
>>23889609They've always done this, kind of like how 0080's MS were supposed to originally have been updated reimagining of the original Okawara designs, but were retconned to become separate late war models instead. The Nightingale and Hi-Nu are generally considered unbuilt successor units in proper canon now, and so on. If the artists and writers like something enough, they'll fit it into the main story.Anyway, back to the post-UC 0105 era.
>>23889602The problem with mobile suits going into Late UCs was that the new models became giant (Gustav Karl was 22 meters tall), making their logistics too expensive. You needed to make a new fleet and hangars just to house the same number of mobile suits.They eventually ended it because making mobile suits that are too small was deemed too hard, especially as they became more and more complex.That said, RGM-196 Freedom is still slightly smaller than OYW GM.Basically, it's about finding the right balance.
>>23889609It really ain't that deep, they had Origin models already made so they just used those to save time. >>23889544
>>23889602The cost didn't drop much because the extra features are now integrated within the shell of the MS which still cost a lot to produce.
>>23889734This.But, again, the cost EF was thinking about initially wasn't about the production for the most part.
yaaay Cornix
>>23889602IRL, making smaller plastic toys proved to have its own downsides.
I feel like GS is a good setup for a post-collapse UC similar to X, with a bunch of small warlord factions scavenging old tech and Consent trying to reassert dominance across the earth
>>23890685Replace Consent with Cyclops and that's literally the plot of Crossbone.
>>23890794People overblow the warring states era UC in Dust.Dust isn't set in a societal collapse. It's set in a shitty economic downturn in UC. Infrastructure and supply chain got really bad so colonies had to make do with the immediate resources around them. But it's not like they entered a technological regression. All the cool high tech stuff they enjoyed in the earlier decades is still there. But barring a few factions sitting on a bunch of money and military resources, most colonies just aren't in a spot to make new toys.
>>23890804> It's set in a shitty economic downturn in UC. Infrastructure and supply chain got really bad so colonies had to make do with the immediate resources around them. Sounds like a setting that's already undergoing societal collapse.>But it's not like they entered a technological regression.They did, all the cool high tech stuff that's "still there" comes from surviving decades-old machines. Not even the richest factions possess the know-how nor the resources to even make new shit that's on par with decades-old shit, so they have to settle with inferior recreations or outright kitbashes using parts from said decades-old machines, which don't tend to work as well or as efficiently as the original machines.
>>23890804yeah it's not a full blown apocalyptic mad max scenario or whatever, it's just the consequence of a large scale, long-lasting recession in a hyper capitalistic world orderthen again the line between these could be rather thin
>>23890631Yeah, out of the box the MG Victory related kits will fall apart if a light breeze touches them lol
>>23890961The 0080 and F91 line introduced waist swivel. 1993 V Gundam 1/144 line introduced standardised inner structure, and then the G, W X plamo lines all used standardised polycaps and structure, maybe that was why they all they had the Gundam anatomy. Unlike 80s model kits, 90s model kits included all the required stickers for colour correction.I did collect the V Gundam and G Gundam line very earnestly back then in the early 90s.
>>23890961Not really, and even then you just put a bit of paint on and all the parts stay attached untilss you purposely seperate them.
>>23891177>>23890961As a V Gundam fan myself, I always avoided MG transformables as the plastic is just ill suited for such gimmicks. I have some of the HGUC non transformables.Only a select few of the backdrop photo cards of the V Gundam line came with stats.
>>23891177>maybe that was why they all they had the Gundam anatomyI think it was a merchandise marketing matter first, and kit engineering was a result of it. With the 90s AUs the production teams were outright told non-Gundams wouldn't get model kits and sure enough, there was only a handful of exceptions to that.
>>23891177I had 80% of this line and really liked the backdrop photo cards that encouraged people to collect the entire line. 500 jpy was affordable for primary school kids. They were lower priced than the 0083 line(GP01 was 700 jpy). So price point was a consideration in downsizing MS for Gunpla purposes, even though they had the SD Gundam line as well at 500 jpy.Early 90s was a financial dark age for Japan. 2010s saw the removal of ABS plastic.
>>23891177
>>23891181Only these select few had published stats.The Wing Gunpla stats had all the data published on a databook which even included Maganac and Taurus etc.I am not sure if there were stats published in any other V Gundam book aside from the usual KW and thruster output.
Being more than 10 years old, it could not stand up against Bespa or LM(high performance) MS.>>23891193>>23891181Rig Shokew beats everyone big time.But these stat cards don't explain everything:GunblastorMobility 60 (max gross 21.3 metric tons, 91,590 kg thrust, apogee motors: 47)Output 32 (4,820 kW)Weapons 13Rig ShokewMobility 70 (max gross 18.5 metric tons, 77,700 kg thrust, apogee motors: 22)Output 38 (5,960 kW)Weapons 20Yeah the stats don't mean anything, but nice to have.
>>23891193>>23891177The default weapon stat refers to the fixed armaments like head vulcans, shot lancer.This weapon set certainly made the 500 jpy ktis more complete.Javelin get a beam bazooka, V Dash gets the VSBR, Tomiliat gets beam bazooka and beam gatling, Zolliat gets the backpack guns.https://www.dalong.net/reviews/old/v14/v14.htm
>>23891205>Being more than 10 years old, it could not stand up against Bespa or LM(high performance) MS.More like more than 20
UC has a huge deal about Newtype Resonance where Newtypes tend to get attracted to or extremely obsessed with another Newtype they literally just met for the first time. Honestly, it's one of the recurring subplots in UC I'm already tired of. So when Belle got attached to Font, I thought it was the same deal again. But no, Tobia later spells out to Font that he doesn't feel any of that new type psychic shit from Font. Apparently, Font is not an autistic space wizard. He's just a plain old autist. And that means Belle is just really into autistic nerds. Based Hasegawa subverting expectations.
>>23891551I know that the whole space wizard and bullshit newtype magic discourse is already tired in UC discussions, but I always liked the Crossbone saga's approach to Newtypes. You still have the expected Newtype Telekinesis of manipulating bits/funnels, but the constant back and forth between the Earth Sphere and Jupiter and their massive distance brings more emphasis to the aspect of Newtypes being the evolutionary adaptation of humans to space. The Newtype abilities given more emphasis in Crossbone is their much higher awareness in the void of space and various forms of Telepathy, a form of communication suited for the vast distances in space and Minovsky particle jamming. Crossbone's depiction of Newtypes lends itself much better to the angle that Newtypes are the trailblazers that will lead humanity into the stars as they are better adapted for spacefaring.And on the topic of focusing on the evolutionary angle, Crossbone is set when humanity is a good century into the space age, so that also brings the idea that maybe all of humanity will just slowly evolve into Newtypes as they live more in space. Belle was born and grew up in deep space even way beyond the Jupiter sphere. She's probably the UC character the grew up furthest from earth. And she's shown to be an extremely powerful Newtype, perhaps because of her environment of being raised in the absolute void of space. I know that Gundam is all about the robot action, but there's also the underrepresented angle of humans evolving/changing in a space environment.
>>23891205Okay, this just occurred to me.So the 1/144 V Gundam line came with these postcards which serve as diorama backdrops. The back side has some technical explanation. Victory Gundam was the no.1, Gun EZ was no.2, Jamesgun was no.3 in terms of model kit release.However, when I was a kid, the back of my Jamesgun was the "7" one, but it turns out there are other varieties, such as this "9" one.That means, each kit comes with a random back card out of 3 possible choices.
Seems to be some exclusive fluff on the weapons. Can't tell if the MSV handbooks had them.
>>23891733Feddie lineage MS still use that UC0120 beam bazooka.
Cruising mode where the entire thigh moves to the back.
>>23891753Shot lancer mainly used for anti ship combat, but could also be used as a melee weapon.Clearly says Javelin is no match for Bespa MS despite having a powerful shot lancer weapon.
>>23891756Independent flight using the MS's own generator. Formerly only achievable with warships.
>>23891769
>>23891771
>>23891776Rig Shokew is an MP version of the Shokew with the shoulder weapon removed and added various weaponry. (according to the other profile card).This card emphasises on the fixed beam weapons on its head and toes. Katejina also has her own emblem.It is not easy trying to locate all three card variants. Got them from Dalong, 2 Japanese reviewers with a sizeable V Gundam collection, and Mercari and Yahoo Auction.I had no idea that Gunpla Gacha already existed back then.
The V Gundam Handbooks were the last of the real UC lore books before the advent of Heisei style Gundams since G Gundam (1994).About 20 full units' worth of V Gundam spare parts were manufactured on Earth.
>>23891793MS Journal circa 1992 also had exclusive information such as production numbers of Asshimar and Jegans.The current Gundam ACE MS Journal is a homage to this.
>>23891794*Mobile Machine is a homage to MS Journal.Why did Transformable MS disappear?It was due to cost. They require specific avionics, electronics, high maintenance, magnet coating etc. Asshimar is about 8x cost of a typical MS. It also said that even if a Transformable MS has 10x the combat strength of typical MS, it would cost 20x so it is just meaningless for operations.
>>23891820Have you seriously been posting random vaguely incoherent stuff the whole day??
>>23891894It's thread relevant
>>23891820>They require specific avionics, electronics, high maintenance, magnet coating etc.And miniaturized MS were so efficient too. They have an overly optimistic view of corporate/military weapons procurement being more about efficiency rather than corruption, money sinks everywhere, and backdoor deals.
You now remember this.
>>23893882Poor Hexa-chan D:
>>23893882i don't think something like Nu would handle being hit with a cannon as bit as its body any better
>>23894126Gundam Hammer would go so fucking hard on a battlefield full of Jegans and Dogas
>>23894137yeah no shit, it already worked great on Zakus toothere's only so much defense you can realistically apply against absurd blunt force
>>23893882 i think she just slammed into the angel halo, she looked intact after that swipe besides one of the back cannons snapping off
it's so cool...
>>23894892Took me a minute to realise that it's F89.The only thing I recognize it by is the V-fin.
>>23888964 kinda like how the jamesgun was marketed as a more true miniaturized jegan at one point? it'd be neat to see on paper; i like the zakurao but it has a handful design snags i'm not a huge fan of
>>23894912It would also act as a mechanical bridge to the Zakurao's more angular design compared to past Zeon suits, as the XM suits all have more angular aesthetics than Mars Zeon RF suitsHell, the legs and torso of the Zakurao could have influenced the Bugu
>>23894915 zakurao is all-round originally, it's the later redraws that keep trying to chunk it up
>>23890574cute cornix
>>23894137>Dogas
Speaking of Dogas, I'm disappointed that pic related haven't got a bigger spotlight in Cluster.
>>23888023>>23888604Lads, what about the yellow bits on the legs of the Odysseus? Not Minovsky related right?
>>23899969literally just vents
>>23899970Yeah that makes sense.
>>23899859on one hand it makes sense, it's just an aggressor unit in trainer so it's not like it's a common sight to seeon the other hand it IS cool as fuck
>>23889547>Keep in mind the whole time Cyclops isn't trying to just build a V2 Gundam, they're trying to make the system usable in mass production. Which is strange, since it been stated that Noel Wraith were the fastest of the Phantom variants despite it still being inferior to the V2 and the Record Breaker.
>>23888971Still imperfect, due to the time limit on the drive itself.
>>23900886i'm not really sure what's the strange part here
>>23900934I usually expect the mass production units to be slightly inferior to the originals in every way outside of cost and customization.
Doesn't the latest issue of Crossbone come out this month?
>>23901618it generally comes out on monthly basis, yes. Delays notwithstanding.
I like how Trimurti is a predecessor to the Keilas Guilie
WINNERS FOREVER
>>23889574>And by G-Savior (...)
>>23905396Whats your problem
>>23905603He's a G-Saviour denier.
I'm finally on Victory (Ep11) after going through Unicorn/Narrative/Hathaway/F91 and uh, wow Earth really ended up a shithole. The Federation pretty much no longer exists, and now these wacky spacenoids want Earth for themselves. Setting aside, compared to the tone of the original Tomino quadrilogy, these few early episodes feel both at the same time a lot more bleak and desperate, and really fucking annoying. The cast outside of Uso, Shakti, and Marbet feel genuinely like NPCs and outside of a few Zanscare being actual humans, the whole things feel like a caricature of edgy cartoon villains cranked up to the max level. Still, I hear it gets better later so I'll keep powering through, but my current opinion of it right now is rather low
>>23906428fuck off
>>23906005>G-Saviour denierHuh?
>>23906433
>>23906428>wow Earth really ended up a shithole. The Federation pretty much no longer exists,You mean the areas with security lax enough to have illegal alien settlements not getting bothered by Manhunters.
>>23906681I was gonna ask if Hathaway was written before Victory, then I remembered they were already a thing by CCA so fair enough. I'm an animeonly but by this thread though it looks like Crossbone and onwards gets really wacky with the tech and psychoframe newtype hax, which makes me wonder why it was only Earth that slid backwards on the development scale
>>23906428>feel like a caricature of edgy cartoon villains cranked up to the max level.saner than post covid world.
>>23907090>I'm an animeonly but by this thread though it looks like Crossbone and onwards gets really wacky with the tech and psychoframe newtype haxit only gets crazy in manga, the late UC animation is very weak when it comes to newtype weapons, they just develop things like the justice backpack as a heavy funnel and support fighter. victory has a newtype fortress but it's only used as a brainwashing weapon
>>23907090Crossbone is fairly conservative.Most of the actually crazy tech of Late UC are from Fastest Formula and Cluster, especially relating to Newtypes.It is to the point where it was a surprise to see funnels on Seerauber Unit 3.>which makes me wonder why it was only Earth that slid backwards on the development scaleMilitary got a huge funding cut and EF checked out from whatever is happening in the Earth Sphere colonies..
>>23907110I do find it funny that the EF basically just started doing "As long as you pay your taxes sometimes" in regards to the colonies.
>>23907439Think about it this way>colony living standards have drastically improved>those morons suddenly begin to larp as cosmo aristocracy and attack each other and downsized EFF garrisons that basically served as policeI'd give up on those retards as well.
>>23907446some people really are illiterate huh
I think it'd be cool to see 2nd V with the Hexa head and some V-Dash gearpic mostly unrelated
>>23908251Nice shield. Valiant looking.
