00 S2 deserves to be as badly regarded as ZZ or Seed Destiny. I'd go as far as to say that it ruined the prequel even harder than these two. It took away everything interesting about 00 and replaced it with a shitty Z rehash, it reduced the characters to annoying cartoon versions of themselves, it felt like it was being written on the fly even harder than the average Gundam show, it had dozens of pointless subplot that either go nowhere or feel pointless, it had bland one-dimensional bad guys that were evil because they were salty, bald guy super-scientist's plan was correct from the start so the main characters had no agency at all, and it overall was just really afraid of taking any sort of risk or doing anything remotely new or interesting so it has so many dumb bullshit that's only there because it's tradition like Mr. Bushido. It's easily one of the worst Gundam shows ever. Do people give it a pass because "but it had good designs and battle scenes!" vs say Seed Destiny being filled with bad visuals and recycled animation? I don't think the mecha or the action saves the bottom of the barrel writing or everything being way worse than the first season.
ZZ is great, faggot.
>>23881791I don't hate it, but it has a pretty bad reputation, way worse than 00 S2's for some dumb reason even if 00 S2 isn't just bad, it actively fucks over 00 S1.
Another case of room temp IQ brainlets failing to understand 00's themesHow ironic considering how many years we've been doing the UNDERSTANDING jokes
>>23881799The themes are made better by having a bunch of cartoonishly evil bad guys that make Gym look nuanced?
>>23881797>but it has a pretty bad reputation,It only has a bad reputation with dullards who got all their information second hand from online retards back before it got a wider release.
I like 00 S2 way more than S1 wtf
>>23881789>it felt like it was being written on the fly even harder than the average Gundam showIt has nothing on the level of Glemmy though.Introduced as a grunt that praises Haman in his monologues, also was a mama boy and talked up about his parents -> gets several quick promotions -> the show then suddenly acts he was always a high ranking officer, leading a cloning project for a long time, his parents are never mentioned again.Even Destiny had more obvious production issues like the constantly shifting death flashbacks or stuff from bios that barely/never showed up in the series (Shinn was introduced a being friends with the Minerva mechanics and yet you just get a scene with them walking together in episode 1 and afterwards they might as well be strangers). And, yeah, you have the animations issues too and tons of recaps in the original run.I do agree that 00s2 is pretty derivative and worse in everything than 00s1. but that's it. It doesn't feel like the show is constantly rewriting itself and the staff had no idea about what they were doing.>>23881892No, ZZ only has a good reputation at all due to constant marketing from Bandai trying to associate it with superior shows. It's a mess and there's a reason its popularity has actually DECREASED in the last decade and you see it pushed much less than it used to be, while CCA and Zeta are still up there.
>>23881939At some point, Reborns tries to sell Enhanced Louise as his big plan of human evolution where he will be able to control them directly, then he just uses her to kamikaze on the 00 Raiser to try to take them out. Anew comes and goes in around 4 episodes and serves no real purpose besides establish that the fake Innovators and A-Laws are evil... again. We have to keep cutting to the subplot with Kataron running away with Marina and the orphans every episode even if nothing new ever happens in it and it doesn't really comes together with the main plot at any point of the story. Mr. Bushido was Setsuna's rival until they just got tired of him and had him get taken out in around 5 minutes before the OP of an episode. Nina and Wang do absolutely nothing besides stand around Ribbons for all of the show and then they just die unceremoniously; I guess at least Nina got killed off to show how far Louise had fallen, but otherwise she served no purpose in the show because Louise was mostly pointless anyway. Hal becomes a cheap power-up with Al, who does nothing besides wistfully say "Marie..." for 99% of the show. Marie/Soma do nothing besides be Al's backpack. Setsuna becomes a bland Jesus figure that can do no wrong. The only characters with actual arcs are Tieria and Lockon 2.0, but it was hard to give a shit about the later. It's a fucking dumb show that just gives zero shits about its characters, about the subplots it sets up or about its setting, and it just presents a clean-cut Zeta rehash conflict with a dumb "humans have to evolve to super metallic people before ayylmaos come to earth or we're gonna kill each other because of misunderstandings" which just cheapens any message of trying to understand each other when it's done via magic particles that also heal cancer.
there's genuinely some very low IQ posters on this board like the spastic who chimped out about ZZ even though this thread is entirely about how shit 00s2 is.
>>23881941>At some point, Reborns tries to sell Enhanced Louise as his big plan of human evolution where he will be able to control them directly, then he just uses her to kamikaze on the 00 Raiser to try to take them out.I mean, but that's it. He just wanted "enhanced humans" as tools for him. That's his idea of evolution for the common humans, not actual Innovators.>Anew comes and goes in around 4 episodes and serves no real purpose besides establish that the fake Innovators and A-Laws are evil... again. Also, bad Zeta rehash. But, like, it's very obvious she was there for the drama with Lockon 2.Really, I'm not saying 00s2 wasn't bad. I also thought almost every plotline it did was underwhelming and stuff like Setsuna's development into something above humans just made him -less- likeable. But it doesn't feel like the shows is rewriting itself as it goes (during s2 itself at least, obviously there's a big change of direction between s1 and s2).
It was flashy, that's why people don't care. Destiny's biggest sin was having stock footage filled boring fights and ugly animation. If it was as pretty as the movie was everyone would have overlooked the shitty plot and thought it was great even back then
>>23881948Yeah, there used to be a guy who would post about how ZZ sucked in every single thread related to it, not sure of it's the same guy but I wouldn't be surprised.
>>23882047nah we shat on Destiny for being poorly-written slop in the live threads
>>23881791>ZZ is great, faggot.It's easily the worst Tomino-directed Gundam show
>>23881789It's great and if you disagree you're wrong and stinky
>>23883573Still top 5 Gundam shows ever.
>>23881789>Gundam 00 S2>"Saji Crossroad, paper beats rock"ayylmao
>>23881789how was s2 any different from s1?? both are equally superficial and shallow. theres no complex or profound themes and characters in s1 that s2 could have ruined, its all flattened to "gundam ends war and brings peace lol".
>>23883915>how was s2 any different from s1an american gets a cte so bad the brain damage turns him into a weeaboo
>>23883915s1 made up for the lack of character focus with the focus on the worlwide setting showing the impact of each of the events in the show. s2 threw away that worldwide focus and had much more personal drama, and yet the character writing in several ways was worse than in s1 in spite of getting more focus.
>>23882047This. It had its hype moments and Kawai still killed it with his music even if they all sound the same.
>>23881789>00 S2 deserves to be as badly regarded as ZZ or Seed Destiny.I didn't read past this but I thought it was? Who is singing the praises of that shit?
>>23882047The bigger sin to me is how contrived the drama between Kira and Athrun is. It's like something out of a tokusatsu show from the era. Kira just fucked around on the battlefield because "Cagalli is crying" knowing full well that, in the moment, they were doing more harm than good. Fucking with the Minerva's crew when they were outgunned and overwhelmed and cruel, in spite of Kira saying he just wanted the fighting to stop. With the Freedom's specs, there was nothing to stop him from just zipping right to the Takemikazuchi or the EA's flagship and forcing the ORB forces to stand down. It's that kind of communication breakdown thing that was really common in 2000s tokusatsu. Some Kamen Rider Blade or 555 shit. Which I think was intentional. Athrun's in that same mold as untrustworthy supporting heroes.
>>23881789Its great because watching 00 on tv back in the day I liked Louise. When she became a soldier, cut her hair short and became rad in S2 I was diamonds
>>23881789I watched it in Japanese on a Windows phone amidst a lonely first college semester where I was on the verge of a nervous breakdown, so I didn't care, just happy to have muh Gundam.
Livonze was a bad antagonist. I would have preferred Ali as a comes-from-nothing warrior whose ambition is to dominate as much of the world as possible through war, in the vein of Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, Oda Nobunaga, Charlemagne, etc. Basically an archetype that comes up over and over that humanity can't seem to shake. Then the thematic core of S2 becomes advancing humanity beyond that paradigm, where a "great" man runs roughshod over the world to bring it together, instead looking for unity through understanding or whatever.Instead we got Evil Amuro.
