Oh Christ almighty, Fukui is a ZZ denialist.
>>23884291What a faggot.
NO IT IS NOT LIKE THE IDE YOU FUCKING MORON! DID YOU EVEN WATCH IDEON?!?!?!
>>23884291Always remember that Zeta Gundam and ZZ by extension is the greatest filter of Gundam. Literally all the worst takes about Gundam always come from people who refuse to acknowledge Zeta.
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>>23884291Tomino said Zeta and ZZ are both shit
>>23884338Ideonite, not Ide.
>>23884451>Zeta>filterliterally the most retarded normalfag Gundam show in existence
>>23884468I've watched all of Ideon and Be Invoked, and I don't think I ever saw that word used.
>>23884475I did as well but remember it, it's a material occasionally talked about when they discuss the Ideon and how/why it behaves so strangely.
>>23884471And yet it gets proven time and time again, from literally everyone missing the whole point of CCA, to the shit Fukui had pulled with UC and Narrative, to all the unnecessary Lalah Sune worship and the literal mistake that was Gquuuuuux, when you deny Zeta, you admit to everyone you don't understand anything about Gundam.
>>23884291On the positive side, a lot of people thinking like that is probably the only reason they haven't gotten Kamille back into action as a pilot in spite of how popular he is.
>>23884291Based.
>>23884451You're making up issues where they don't exist. Stay on fucking topic.
>>23884484Fukui is the only person who can make Gundam coherent and believable. I don't like Full Frontal but tarriffs to force migration into space is more practical than Char using a meteor, which would have burned into the atmosphere. Now Zeon can focus on building more Chars without the original. Yas seems to think Space Lenin would cause a revolution
>>23884457I am starting to miss that Engrish. There so much hubris comparing Gundam to Star Wars
>>23884291You’re missing the original context for this, which is still wacky as hell but isn’t “ZZ denialism”
>>23884507>I don't like Full Frontal but tarriffs to force migration into space is more practicalThat's the thing though, that's literally what Actual Char would have done, if he had the opportunity for it instead of the Axis plan, it's that moment when Minerva calls that plan something Char would never do is when Unicorn then goes full retard. Ironically Full Frontal was so good until that moment.>>23884507>Char using a meteorAxis was big enough cause long term damage to the atmosphere even if it burn up to a small size. But that's beside the point. Char has to resort to that plan in the first place because thanks to events of ZZ, mainly Haman and Glemy's retard war, the "Zabi supporters" were elevated back high influence again raring to go right back to war with the Earth federation. This is why Char said in Zeta he did not want Zeon dragged back in to Titans conflict. That element of Zeon idealogy needed to be dead and forgotten so he wanted them to be isolated. Axis was conceived because for one he truly believed that humans wouldn't move on unless the Earth was made usable to no one, but at the same time, also wanting a battle so devastating for Zeon that they finally calm down and going full Ghiren again. When people try to dismiss or underplay everything that happened in Zeta and ZZ, then CCA becomes the shallow takes about Char being a hypocrite, salty loser with mommy issues who can't get over Lalah that every one seems to take away from it. And it's not just average fans either, it's even people like Fukui, Anno, and Tsurumaki. Again look at what Gquuuuuux became, a retarded dedication to CCA for quite literally all of the wrong reasons, instead of actually being and "What if" timeline story.
>>23884484Otaking is right. Zeta isn't a sequel. Double Zeta isn't a sequel. Char's Counterattack isn't a sequel. You need continuity to be a sequel. There's no continuity not even of style between the four.
>>23884291>Fukui is a ZZ denialist.Based if true, but alas, no >>23884536>>23884457Fukui is being unduly harsh to himself here. At worst, he is to Gundam as Dave Filoni is to Star Wars.>>23884471>literally the most retarded normalfag Gundam show in existenceThe most exposure actual normalfags have to Gundam is Ready Player One, and they probably thought they were looking at a Transformer.
>>23884475Anon, it gives me no pleasure to confirm that >>23884480 is correct: Fukui of all people does in fact know Ideon better than you do.>>23884507>which would have burned into the atmosphere.Has anyone told the Chicxulub Crater?
>>23884338>Fukui copies Gigantis for his fanfiction We have known this since the beginning
>>23884484Nah, Zeta was shit Tomino had to make because Bandai was running out of designs for MSV, needed a new Gundam series for plastic model kit fodder, Tomino needs to eat too and he's their go-to mecha director guy so of course he was coerced into making it. Anyone who says they need Zeta to understand Gundam are the actual bozos.>Tomino: In my case, from Z Gundam onward, I had to repeatedly step back into the mess I’d hoped to abandon. As an adult, I had no choice but to professionally manage my aversion to Gundam because it was how I made a living. Those twenty years felt like wallowing in constant frustration and bitterness. Despite my efforts to forget, I was constantly forced to remember. But, it’s business, you do what you must to survive.>Yasuhiko: Have you ever been this candid in interviews before, talking openly about working through resentment and bitterness?>Tomino: No, I’ve consciously avoided it because being honest about that would’ve made life difficult.
>>23884664Different anon, but "Tomino didn't like working on Zeta" and "Zeta is key to understanding what Gundam became" are related but separate concepts.
Zetarager aren't you pushing 40? Maybe its time to get off /m/ and do something more productive? I know youre borderline low functioning but this is getting kind of sad.
>>23884685I'm not Zetarager. >>23884451 is Zetarager.
>>23884699That's not Zetarager, that post isn't sarcasm, it's the genuine truth. >>23884451 is pro Zeta.
>>23884705"Gundam fans don't watch Zeta" is a blatant lie that someone would only say if they wanted to poison the well. So yes, it is a Zetarager post.
>>23884713I need you to read that again, the post "never said people who didn't watch Zeta", it meant "people who do not treat Zeta as important and see it as dismissable."
>>23884735That also would get the same response from me, though. People like that don't exist, you'd only say that if you wanted to poison the well.
So in UC2 the Unicorn, Banshee, and Phenix will disappear from existence with Banager, the miracle kids and Mineva to another universe and that's why no one hears about them later. The UC timeline will forget them like they did the Laplace Box too, because why not.
>>23884740Okay let's put it like this, so you know how people say you can just skip watch Zeta but skip ZZ because nothing of ZZ gets mention in CCA and that the Zeta movies ending is the actual Canon now that Tomino changed it to skip ZZ? That's what I'm talking about. People can say watch Zeta and ZZ, but what I'm referring to is the refusal to actually acknowledge the context and events that happened in Zeta and ZZ. It goes beyond whether people have just simply watched it or not. Why do you think things like things like Gquuuuuux go so far off the rails when it comes to relating back to CCA and newtypes? Because they missed a massive amount of the context that Zeta and ZZ expanded on.
>>23884451The only reason ZZ is a filter is because everyone absolutely everyone expected that it would be a continuation of Zeta and it’s characters, but immediately the original cast that everyone loved was shafted and thrown aside for these goofballs who even Bright Noa gave up on.
>>23884768>everyone absolutely everyone expected that it would be a continuation of Zeta and it’s charactersNot really.
>>23884772>Filtered.
>>23884752>GquuuuuuxAre you sure you know what you’re talking about? Why would a completely different and alternate universe follow the same background story in Zeta and ZZ?
>>23884768>The only reason ZZ is a filter is because everyone absolutely everyone expected that it would be a continuation of Zeta and it’s charactersI can imagine this being true of the part of Gundam's original Japanese audience that wasn't following ZZ production news in otaku pro publications and fanzines... but who could it possibly be true of today, given the amount of readily available information about ZZ online?
>>23884777But I love ZZ.
>>23884780Did you actually watch Gquuuuuux? They literally tried to start entire multiverse plot based on the Idea preventing CCA and stopping Char.
>>23884752You're trolling, and I fucking hate how people just keep taking you seriously despite how blatantly wrong everything you say is.
>>23884802You actually didnt watch Gquuuux lmao.
Zeta was shit lol
>>23884471>the most retarded normalfag Gundam show in existenceThat would be Wing
>>23884869I think that anon is trying to reference the twist near the ending that Challia was searching for Char because he expected his twisted nature to lead to a disaster, which is a clear CCA reference. But, yeah, this actually has nothing to do with the multiverse stuff in GQX. But IT is writing the cast with CCA in mind as the inevitable fate of Char after the original Gundam, disregarding -both- Zeta and ZZ as unnecessary to get there.
>>23885570HE IS TROLLING YOU MORON. STOP GIVING HIM MATERIAL TO USEUnless you're sameposting, in which case I should have deleted this thread the moment his post showed up.
>>23885570>But, yeah, this actually has nothing to do with the multiverse stuff in GQXIt kinda does because the deifying if Lalah comes from people overstating her significance in CCA as something major and pivotal to the plot when she was just a Ptsd nightmare for Amuro, and a last moment fond remembrance for Char. Remember in Zeta they legit had a talk about the incident of her death, and it was Char who told Amuro, what happened, happened. We need to move on. When people just dismiss that that talk legit happened. That's how you get the common consensus people have about CCA now.
>>23884527Uhh, have you missed how much Star Wars has fallen? Gundam actually sells more merch now.
>>23884527>>23885635Yeah, he was making that comparison back in the Force Awakens era when JJ Abrams was seen as bringing new life to Star Wars. Things obviously didn't turn out like that in the long run.
>>23884685He's got successors like Tochiro and Jen to follow his path.
>>23884291It seems completely lost on him that Kamille is no longer the same person he used to be prior to being mindflayed.
