What can (you) do as a Zaku pilot if a GM comes at you like this?
>>23884397If you fighting in a place with gravity, target the ground in front of the GM as it advances to trip up the pilot. If they are stationary then keep distance and target the ground to the sides of it to keep it from properly repositioning. Always keep distance though with an early type GM. The beam spray is essentially a very short range shotgun. At long ranges it will only graze armor.
jump really high and punt his head clean off
>>23884397Well you have to get wrecked zeek lol
>>23884397move in any one of the directions I can move in 3 dimensions to get a better shot than head-on?
>>23884446>rotates slightly>still shoots youok zeek
>>23884446There's the rub anon, the GM can also do this. Similarly perhaps to fighting a guy with a sword on the ground, if you try to outmaneuver him to get around his shield, you are making the assumption that you will be able to outpace him moving his shield to face whatever direction you can dispense offense from, and that you will be able to avoid his own attacks. Now, for him maneuvering to keep the shield facing you at all times may be easier said than done, but it also means that the minute his target (you) has moved you may now automatically be open to his attack, and more generally be in a duel or dogfight with him.
>>23884397Oh, Gundam Evolution taught me how, I throw my cracker at them to stun them then proceed to unload my machinegun at point blank range so they die while stunned. That or I'm playing the Royal Zaku Melee and I just swing my axe since it ignores shields.
>>23884454I mean I don't have a shield of my own so fuck else am I supposed to do, shoot the viewport?
>>23884498That's why OP is stipulting it's a difficult situation. Like, you can beat the GM, it's just not gonna be easy, and he has a good chance of beating you just as well.
>>23884498Slowly back up and get some distance. Don't break eye contact but also don't show any sense of fear and... wait no that's stray dogs.
>>23884501fuckin earthnoid bullshit I should get beam weapons for this shit fuck the zabis man
>>23884397Going by Zeonic Front? Fucked, your only chance is to rush them from a blind spot and melee them to death, all while receiving cover fire.
>>23884397Wasn't there an online multiplayer game where GM with shield was so good that almost drove off the player base because the Zeon team could never win?
>>23884617pretty girls will tell you how cool you are in the federation
>>23884521The Zabi family grows richer while you are dying on the Earth, zeek. They will give you a medal, zeek. But only after you are dead. Your government lies to you every day, poor pilot. You have lost this war, zeek. Your army will leave you behind. Contolists made you fight this war, zeek. They do not care about you. Zeek, your government has betrayed you. They will not return for you, zeek.
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>>23884397The one thing that's never really explained in Gundam is the loss of mobility from carrying such a massive thick heavy shield. On paper, a Zaku 2 should be able to out maneuver a GM carrying such a big shield. The Zaku only needs to worry about carrying weapons.
>>23884636>>23884636>>23884636those federation harlots who's souls are weighted down by gravity are nothing compared to our pure zeon milk maids
>>23884876People joke about the GM being a discount Gundam but it's not an exaggeration to say that it has generally superior thruster and power output to the Zaku II. It's about on par with the Dom, just barely edging it out, and is exceeded by the Gelgoog.
>>23884454>There's the rub anon, the GM can also do this. Not as quickly. The GM has to carry the heavy shield. The Zaku does not. Therefore the Zaku is more agile. >you are making the assumption that you will be able to outpace him moving his shield to face whatever direction you can dispense offense fromThe GM left arm has limited range of movement. It's just like a real arm. You can't move the arm in every direction. Not without moving the whole GM body and risk exposing yourself from enemy fire from other directions. Especially during a large scale fleet battle.
>>23884888By this rationale Zakus should've been running circles around the RX-78-2.
>>23884922Zakus, Goufs, and Doms were able to do that...until Amuro activated his newtype power and was able to predict the future several seconds ahead of time.
>>23884938There's a lot of caveats to this. Char's Zaku II could do it specifically because Amuro was not an experienced pilot at the time, but then later on in encounters such as against Ramba Ral's Gouf Amuro was able to outmaneuver him without newtypism, to the point Ral was coping about Amuro winning only because he used the Gundam. The Dom is also a bit of a caveat; while the Black Tri-Stars were defeated by Amuro's newtypism, Amuro later was quite systemically knocking down Rick Doms in space. If carrying a shield was a bad idea, the Gelgoog likely wouldn't have been equipped with one.If we go back to other stuff, again it's not really any kind of secret that the GM is overall faster, produces more power, and is also lighter than a Zaku II, all points it shares, if in less of an extreme degree, with the RX-78-2 by comparison.
>>23884948I would argue that Amuro's newtype power was slowly activating around the 2nd time Ramba Ral attacked White Base. The first time, Amuro got smoked hard. By the time Amuro had full newtype awakening almost no one could stop him in a 1v1.>If carrying a shield was a bad idea, the Gelgoog likely wouldn't have been equipped with one. Not exactly what I was arguing. I'm saying if 2 mobile suits are dogfighting in space, the one that tosses away its shield will be at an agility advantage since it's carrying less mass.
>>23884964Tossing equipment means carrying -less- mass, true, but simultaneously, what does that actually mean when one machine is lighter and has more available thrust to begin with? The fact that the Gundam is wildly superior overall to the Zaku II is a crux of 0079 and the GM follows that trend, just to a lesser degree. Igloo gives us an interesting example of this, where GMs could almost keep up with the Zudah, noted for its absolutely ludicrous speed capacity compared to a Zaku, up until they started to explode or putter out on their own.
>>23884888Jim doesn't need to be able to be more maneuverable than Zack, he only needs to be maneuverable enough to deny a good angle which should take less effort.The GM must turn, aim and shoot, while the Zaku must also do these things while maneuvering to overcome the GM's shield.No matter how you slice it the Zaku pilot is having to work to overcome his enemy's advantage.
>>23884397 i have an automatic weapon alternatively maybe i can shoot the BSG because the fucking idiot has their shield in their saber hand and either reaching around with the gun hand or discarding the shield and grabbing the saber is going to take 80 years for them
>>23885013You didn't read OP. The GM is the one charging forward with momentum. It's not standing still and slowly reacting to Zaku like in your explanation.
>>23884888>Not as quickly.It can do it quicker. And it only has to change its axis. It doesn't have to make as wide a motion.
>>23885060It's easier to stop than it is to move out of the way.
>>23885073Dead stopping is literally the longest and most fuel draining thing to do in dogfighting
I pray and hope the director has zeon-leaning biases
>>23885104also hope the shield isn't one of the nearly identical-looking ones made of luna titanium
>>23885109No wonder Japanese fans got angry at the anime adaption of the Battle of ABQ. Bandai cut and changed scenes. Originally, Zeon suits were shooting from behind cover and thick barriers for protection. The Federation shields were also battle damaged and had bullet holes. But this anime makes it look so stupid.
>>23885104>the fedfag director:
>>23885120You mean American fans, right?
>>23884397Zook fucks gm shield(when the animators decide it does).
Can the shield handle Zaku's bazooka?
>>23885149Can you read?
How do GMs sink Musai ships when their GM spray gun is short range and has no explosive power? Even Zakus need large rocket bazookas to blow up ships.
>>23885210they shoot it at close range
>>23885267I have never seen a GM sink a Musai. I have never seen a GM sink a Zeon ship.
>>23885277 it's not thrilling enough to get shown in-animation
>>23885210They don't. The beam spray gun is too weak for that. GMs usually rely on their mothership's main cannons to shoot down Zeon ships.
>>23885109This is a terrible way to attack indoors. I know the author is trying to be tacticool or whatever, but a "shieldwall" is so stupid. A single Zaku Bazooka or rocket would destroy that formation.
>>23885109I don't want to be anal but we're on a mecha board. So I gotta ask...why did they change the GM weapons to that ridiculously huge double barrel beam cannon? In the manga it was a beam spray gun. HUGE DOUBLE BARREL beam cannons are super rare, expensive, and not something you put on a GM. Sorry that just kind of irritates me.
>>23884427>retards in 2026 still think it’s a shotgun
>>23885551The only time I’ve actually seen a beam spray gun have a shotgun like effect was the V2’s spray pod, and even then it was designed to be a scatter type weapon.
>>23885551I don't understand how anyone still thinks that unless they have literally never watched 0079.
>>23885512They have both in the manga, I think they just decided it was more dramatic for the Gundam Heads to use the more clearly overwhelming firepower that standard GMs aren't generally equipped with.Casually waiting out the Zaku's entire mag and blowing him the fuck apart when he has to reload also makes it one, easier to frame the scene without the shootout having to go on an implausibly long time to let you see everyone in it and two, conveys just how outmatched the guards are and how in control the Feddies are. It reads more predatory.
>>23885210GMs can carry bazookas identical to the Gundam's and the beam spray gun isn't that big a change from the Beam Rifle, which they can also use.>>23885277Something close happens in 08th MS Team's final episode when a Musai and its Gelgoog escort is getting torn apart, but none of the EF attackers are shown.
>>23885810Never seen it in the anime
>>23886188GMs being able to carry bazookas is a commonality across toys and anime, usually one which does not get much focus. Picrel is from 0083.https://youtu.be/MdD8VFW10yM?t=215https://youtu.be/rZFHyiUy7nY?t=14
>>23886214I mean in the original anime. I only remember GMs with those puny beam spray pistols
>>23886214Why would GMs go back to using machine gun pistols? Wasn't it a big deal when beam weapons were created? This seems like a step backwards.
>>23886239You're remembering correctly, GMs in the OG 0079 only ever animated carrying beam spray guns or the beam rifle.
>>23886253So how did they sink Musai ships? Those ships are armored enough to withstand several hits from Salamis or Magellan main beam cannons. A GM using its beam spray gun is like a bank robber using a pistol to shoot open a bank vault door.
>>23886260Not necessarily, again they can actually carry bazookas, it's just not frequently shown. I posted an example of just this from Igloo earlier. You can also consider Balls, if you like, as their recoilless cannon is nothing to sneeze at in caliber terms. As to the beam spray gun, I think you're exaggerating its dispersion. Are you sure you're not thinking of the separate scattering beam gun?
>>23885784My theory is they hear "beam spray" and think it refers to its ballistic properties, not realizing that it's called a spray gun because it's shaped like one, pretty much the same way the M3 submachine gun is referred to as the grease gun.
>>23886251If I had to hazard a guess it's just 0083 being what it is since every GM II I can ever remember is always carrying a beam rifle. If you need a canon justification it could perhaps be that the EF top brass were being cheap fucks while trying to achieve buildup at the same time, or if you go the meta route it could be the 0083 designers just doing as they so liked, even though by Zeta carried ballistic weapons were relegated to stuff like the Hizack which genuinely couldn't support more than one beam weapon.
>>23886264Seconding this, it may also refer to fire rate/dispersion, which IIRC on the BSG really was more submachine-gunnish compared to the Beam Rifle's rifle-like qualities. The few scenes where GM fire is shown like the Jaburo Z'gok fight, a split second Gattle shootdown, and firing at the Big Zam make BSG beams seem pretty normal.
>>23885492The zakus have poweful grenades too, maybe this guy left them at the base.
>>23886286Anon he's in his base. More likely he left his grenades back in his bunk when he got woken up by the feddies blasting jazz.
>>23886263>fliiping the mag on the GM rifledisgusting>>23886269bullets are still cheaper than beams, do a good enough job and dont run the risk of ripping colonies apart
>>23884397i'm gonna be that fag but federation's shields arent that big so the GM is hunching while running so >>23884427 and >>23884454 said are right and could take him out. Now the issue is the reaction time or if the GM doesnt take a lucky shoot and instakills you.
>>23885792>>23885512Why are they still using double shields? I thought that was specifical equipment that only used in the Thunderbolt sector because of the huge amount of space debris floating around. The downside is that the mobility of the suit drops way down because of the weight
>>23884397Get the Mail Slot achievement in Mass Effect 3
>>23886508I think the OP's implication is that the GM is in space flight. Standing up under gravity though, the shield is still pretty big and if angled correctly actually can block much of the torso, save the legs, from receiving fire dead-on. You can test this if you have a GM toy on hand, though in that case how the shield will be carried (arm mount vs handle) and the toy's level of articulation also can notably change how the GM can hold the shield to maximize single-direction coverage
>>23884397>What can (you) do as a Zaku pilot if a GM comes at you like this?I fire my bazooka and take out the feddie trash
>>23885512 oh, that's why they don't do FA GM variants often huh i always thought it was strange that FAs were common on gundams but not on GMs
>>23886861FA mobile suits are also incredibly heavy under gravity. We saw during Unicorn and NT that heavy mobile suits literally crack and destroy the ground they walk on.
>>23886757It's ABQ, fully possible that forces intended for the other sectors were redirected and didn't re-equip.Alternatively it's Thunderbolt being Thunderbolt.
>>23886861newer media give the GMs a variety of weapons because to sell toys and only having a single gun is boringe.g., this GM III full armor with twin beam gun
GM dominance with the twin barrel beam shield gun
basic GMs with bazooka mount latch on the backpack
>>23886260>Those ships are armored enough to withstand several hits from Salamis or Magellan main beam cannonslike sure, maybe dogosse gier because it had a catapult deck maybe covered in anti-beam coating, definitely not Musai which is LIGHT cruiser
>>23886981This offends me. The whole idea was the Federation mass produced the same GM design in huge numbers to overwhelm. Zeon focused on quality with the Gelgoog and mobile armors. These special snowflake "custom GMs" ruin the story.
>>23887004you'll have to take your offense all the way back to the 1980s MSV where they started churning out special snowflake GMs like the GM snipers and cannonsor you could just ignore it like everyone else does. just remember for every GM snowflake there's a zeek snowflake like an efreet or zaku hi-mo something to match
>>23887004Better break the news to Tomino.
>>23887004>>23887011oh and GM sniper custom introduced the first twin-barrel beam gun
>>23887011I mean during the One Year War. The most I will accept is a GM cannon (The GM-ified version of the Guncannon with a shoulder cannon), and the Ground GM which is basically an early model GM that was retired quickly.I'm on the fence about the GM sniper since a standard beam rifle is already long range. It should just be given to a normal GM. You don't need a custom unit.
>>23887028It's not the responsibility of other people to validate what you personally wish to be correct, much less about something other people made collectively over several decades.
>>23887004>Zeon focused on quality with the Gelgoog and mobile armors.Suggesting Zeon "focused" on anything is hysterical.
>>23887031It is when my personal thoughts line up with the standard anime lore and canon. Your databooks, while entertaining to read, are dubious. For example, how can the Federation make all these variant beam rifles when they barely managed to produce the beam spray gun? How are GMs running around beam pistols that look like 9mm pistols and rifles that look like AK-47s?If a beam sniper rifle did exist during the one year war, then it should look really large and cumbersome. The beam technology was still in its early phases. It shouldnt look more advanced and streamlined than the Gundams beam weapon.Which makes me also hate all these additional Gundams that suddenly get added by the databooks with all their special weapons and armor. Which makes Amuro's Gundam look underequipped and plain. Why would these units exist when the anime specifically said General Revil viewed White Base as his favorite and gave them the latest toys and weapons?
>>23887034To be fair Zeon did have the United Maintenance Plan.
>>23887011>or you could just ignore it like everyone else does.Yeah, honestly even the guy who wrote the profiles for MSV (Masahiro Oda from Stream Base) thought it was a stretch for multiple GM models to be running around but hey Bandai needed model kits:>Oda: The three GM models were produced at Bandai's request to "include the Federation Forces." However, because the GM had only been in actual combat for a month or two, it seemed strange to have variations at that point, so I wasn't particularly enthusiastic about it (laughs).Apparently when the Guncannon II was released, even diehard fans were saying, "there is no way something like this could have existed".
>>23887045It really feels like you're trying to make facts fit your conclusions or ideas of what should be true, not the other way around. If I'd offer an opinion of my own, I really don't think that's a very good way to go about thinking, either for a franchise as sprawling and inconsistent as Gundam or life in general.
>>23886260Amuro killed a Chivvay with just his beam sabers once. That's not including him one shotting a Musai with a beam rifle or destroying Gaws and a Gallop the beam javelin.
>>23887014Funny story about that from a guy who used to work in Bandai Model Development:>― Among MSV fans, there were those who wanted to see Johnny Ridden in the anime; is there any chance of that happening?>Matsumoto: For Sunrise, it was probably a sticking point that MSV wasn't an original Sunrise creation. I think that perception still lingers today. I don't know what kind of relationship Mr. Yasui and the others had with Sunrise back then, but on my end, I worked on the MSV line and had no contact with Sunrise.>― But MSV mobile suits appeared in Z Gundam. Doesn't that mean MSV has been officially recognized?>Matsumoto: That was the result of Bandai Sales strongly pressuring Sunrise. It wasn't something specifically pushed by the Development Department.
>>23887064This is weird. Did Amuro just stab his beam saber into the side, and the whole ship just randomly explode? It doesn't even look like he hit a critical area.
>>23886260On-screen even in the OG series, some GMs did have copies of the Gundam's beam rifle, and the beam rifle was shown to be strong enough to shoot down ships.
>>23887068It at least makes some sense to see them during Zeta. It could be argued that the Federation spent 6 years tweaking and modifying various GMs. But I understand why anons are confused seeing so many MSV during the OYW.
>>23887070It's episode 34. Newtype powers let him see the vital spots so he stabbed both and it exploded.
>>23887068Interedasting stuff.
>>23887047That was a bandaid on a gaping bullet exit wound
>>23887076Wait what? Newtype power works like that? I thought it was about sensing the presence of other humans and animals? Not magically detecting the weakness in complex machinery.
