How accurate is this manga to the real-life events?was Tomino really sexually harassing the girls in his staff?did he really complain to a hentai magazine about Sayla's nipple not being pink?Was he really hated by Sunrise and Bandai executives?Did he really lie about Ideon's being very safe to children to make it pass to the producers?Did he push Zaku so much because he liked it more than Gundam?
The only things you can trust from this book are the throwaway details. Everything else is bullshit.
>>23885377>did he really complain to a hentai magazine about Sayla's nipple not being pink? Yes. Tomino himself was the one who told us the original story in an interview. >Was he really hated by Sunrise and Bandai executives? Partially. Tomino knows how to play the political game, knows how use fan support, and used the news media to his advantage. For example after Zeta movie 1 was a massive success in theaters, he was interviewed by the news. Tomino then gave a heart felt speech where he said Bandai refuses to give him a real budget. That he truly wanted to give fans better animation but Bandai refused his calls for help and only gave him a tiny animation staff. Tomino shamed Bandai and Sunrise publicly. The following days his interview was all over Japan. Bandai and Sunrise agreed to give him a bigger budget and more staff. No enough to reanimate Zeta completely, but enough to do a lot more for Movie 2.Tomino does a lot of little things like that to ensure that he gets most of what he wants. Like how he got the live action Director of Gundam (Jordan whatever his name is) fired. Tomino gave an interview where he said he felt deeply disrespected because Jordan didn't speak to him once, and refuses to respond to his attempts to contact him. Tomino was shut out of production and said he felt like an outsider. Bandai panicked and flew Jordan out to Japan and tried to play it off on social media as a trip to visit Japan and meet Tomino. But Tomino was no impressed and Jordan was fired shortly after wards >Did he push Zaku so much because he liked it more than Gundam?Back then the sponsors of anime shows didn't care about the bad guy mechas at all. So they let the animation staff so what they want with the bad guy mechas. So Tomino worked with a mecha designer (Okawara) to make Zeon's mecha as unique and memorable as possible.
>>23885377it's mostly exaggerated bullshit with some facts added here and there to push bandai's propoganda. they wanted to unveil a gundam statue so characters of various staff members were used as a mouthpiece.manga is actively disrespectful to nagano and it's recommended to check from better sources like jp wiki, pixiv dic, simmons etc for gundam production history.tldr, fake and gay.
>>23885377>How accurate is this manga to the real-life events?well, he had hair through Ideon's production, there's that for sure
>>23885392>Jordan Vogt-RobertsI remember some Gundam fans are coping thinking he's a good choice just because he talked about the franchise like ZZ and such thus giving the impression that he knows the franchise all too well. Yet dude is a fucking hack, no different than Josh Trank or that scammer who directed 47 Ronin.
>>23885392>Like how he got the live action Director of Gundam (Jordan whatever his name is) fired. Ohhhhhhhhhh I remember this. This was last year right?I remember a Japanese reporter asking Tomino if he was excited about the Netflix Live Action Gundam and if he could share any behind the scenes information with readers.Tomino surprised them and said he's very annoyed with the Director and he has no information to share because every attempt he made to get in touch with the movie staff had been met with silence. Tomino said felt like he's been blacklisted from his own franchise.Supposedly it was Tomino's dream to direct a live action movie. He wishes he could direct a live action Gundam but even if he can't he had hoped to be a consultant with the director and share ideas.
>>23885392>Tomino worked with a mecha designer (Okawara) to make Zeon's mecha as unique and memorable as possible.Pretty sure this is bullshit. I think Tomino showed Okawara half a dozen enemy mecha concept sketches all called "Gelgoog" and said he was trying to make something like Starship Troopers where these were all guys in suits. Then Okawara just ignored them and went looking for IJA scuba kamikaze photos.
>>23885495it's a pretty well known that tomino worked on sketching zeon mechs, especially in the later half.he also requested okawara to give the iconic mono eye for zaku.
>>23885377It's obviously dramatized but the broad strokes are true, surprisingly. Like how a lot of Gundam fans and normies think that Gundam got cancelled but was saved by the Gunpla, but in fact, Gunpla was released months after the series had ended, and it didn't even sell. I've read ancient blogs on FC2 from Japanese old-timers reminiscing about how they used to find kits on clearance at discount stores. It was only after New Year's when Gunpla got featured in Hobby Japan did it take off and kids had to start lining up or reserving them in advance.>>23885392>So Tomino worked with a mecha designer (Okawara) to make Zeon's mecha as unique and memorable as possible. No, the only thing that Tomino requested is that the Zaku have a mono-eye; everything else was up to Okawara and further refined by Yasuhiko. This was the arrangement until after the introduction of the G-Armor when they needed a lot of throwaway monsters-of-the-week, but Yasuhiko fell ill and Okawara was juggling other jobs, so Tomino sketched out a ton of mecha designs and Okawara only cleaned them up as they were. There really wasn't any grand plan about making them unique and memorable like you're suggesting, maybe it was true for the Zaku because it was originally intended to be the only enemy mecha in the show, but you could tell they were just churning them out by the series mid-point to avoid cancellation.
>>23885545Lololllolo I love this. He's not afraid to say he's not the only one behind Gundam it was a whole crew, And he is also not afraid to make fun of the administration.
>>23885624It was saved by women, then by reruns, and those reruns inspired them to change tacks and start selling all the mechs as model kits instead of just selling the Gundam and its associated hero mechs as basic toys.
>>23886016>It was saved by womenThis is an overstatement.
>>23885392>Like how he got the live action Director of Gundam (Jordan whatever his name is) fired.you've got a source for that anon?
>>23886016No, you're getting the timeline mixed up; Bandai had already received letters from teenage fans begging for model kits instead of Clover's diecast toys *before* the show was even over. Hell, the reruns didn't even help the model kits when they were released, because even though they were cheap, they weren't really that appealing to kids: >Meanwhile, the plastic models went on sale in August of that year. Looking at the assembled models, however, they seemed pretty lifeless. They were lanky and top-heavy, and didn't look at all like weapons. When you gave them guns, the models' arms drooped. We said, "Is this really Gunpla?" >At that point, it was actually the plastic model fans who came to our rescue. In the model magazines, scenes of the Gundam slicing through a Zaku in the first episode were reproduced as dioramas. They all used putty to add thickness to the skinny parts, turning these cheap-looking models into magnificent Gundams and Zakus. In the process, Bandai finally found out what its customers were looking for, and it released a second series which were better made. As a result, they created a big boom, with even grade-schoolers buying them.(Masao Iizuka, Planning Office Desk, Sunrise)Not to say the reruns were unpopular; Gundam fans have this impression that Zeta had the highest TV ratings of any Gundam, but it's average rating was 6.6%; meanwhile Gundam's first rerun had an average rating of 17.1% in Nagoya and 13.1% in Kanto. The Gundam hype was real.
>>23886216Don't trust the suite, they've actively been trying to rewrite history to say Gundam was always about selling model kits. Tomino has said in multiple interviews that women were what saved Gundam.
>>23886223*suitsAlso I know it's >Reddit, but it's the best source given the others are bottomfeeder news sites:https://www.reddit.com/r/Gundam/comments/51pfi6/tomino_in_a_1998_interview_re_the_importance_of/
>>23886223>women were what saved GundamThis has never been true.
>>23886223I'd trust the corpo suits on the money stuff more than I would the artistsFujos don't buy model kitswell at least until 00
>>23886233I heard 00's character merch push flopped, and Seed's was more successful.
>>23886242Because 00 Gundam was trying way too hard with their character designs. All the pilots were different ages and were stereotypical. 1 older man who is witty, loves flirting, and appeals to older ladies. 1 extremely pretty/handsome ambiguously gendered robot learning about human emotions. Sometimes he wears male clothes. Sometimes she wears female clothes. 1 brown pilot short haired pilot who is full of trauma who appeals to girls who think "I can fix him".1 long haired piloted with personality disorder. One personality is soft and loving. The other personality is a hard edged cold blooded killer. And to make matters weirder, their uniforms were color coded with bright different colors. Thus defeating the purpose uniforms. They resemble power rangers rather then pilots. The most successful shows with female views (Gundam Wing and Gundam Seed) didn't use such shallow ideas.
>>23886092Pretty sure >>23885392 and >>23885462 are making it up (probably samefagging) they've been posting this fanfic since the moment the director switch was announced but have never sourced this supposed interview and nothing shows up on google even in Japanese
>>23886249Okay thank you chatgpt.
Char and Amuro is maybe the most popular pairing in the entire Gundam franchise. I am super surprised by how popular OL Haman is with both genders.
>>23886223>>23886227I'm just referring to the part where you said the reruns inspired them to start selling the mecha as model kits, which is just patently untrue. I didn't say anything about women or whatever it is you thought I said.
>>23886262Wait is that actually a chatbot post? I don't want to read it.
>>23886281NTA but while it's probably not chatgpt it's almost certainly written by an autist.
>>23886056>>23886228Why do /m/'s Gundamfags accept everything Tomino says except this? Are you insecure about the fact that Gundam appeals to a sizeable amount of women? Are you afraid of liking the same things as women?
>>23886288I'm not afraid of anything, why are you trying this hard to push a false narrative? Not only that but trying to turn it into some kind of idpol gender war crap. Are you an [[[[Anaheim Electronics]]]] employee or something?
>>23886288It's liking the same thing but liking different things about it that makes people mad. You like this, but you like it in the wrong way. As a black coffee drinker myself I totally get it.
>>23886296>I'm not afraid of anythingClearly you are since you're spouting /pol/tard rhetoric.>why are you trying this hard to push a false narrative?It's literally the word of Tomino vs the word of some basement dwellers who haven't even worked on anything Gundam related and who are oddly reactionary over this one specific claim made by the creator of the franchise.
>>23886304>/pol/ out of nowhereThanks for admitting you are not arguing in good faith.
>>23886318Thanks for projecting and admitting you're a complete retard.
>>23886287If it's made by an autist, it's fine. The issue is if it's by a chatbot, which tells me the anon either doesn't care or is a deadly combination of spiteful and lazy who wouod order bots to retort my arguments rather than factcheck or even pull something out of his ass about 00 being shit.
>>2388624900 had the best character designs of any Gundam show ever though. All the women are good looking. All of the men are handsome in their own way with appearances that match the intent of their arcs. The style is so vibrant and smooth and simply pleasant to look at. I wish anime still looked like that.
>>23886355>All the women are good lookingThey are all boring as fuck.
>>23886343I for one think it's spiteful and lazy autism; it's not written by a chatbot but certainly might be pulled out of his ass.
>>23886355No offense but I think F91 or Zeta had the best character design. 00 is great but the aliens all look the same
>>23886355>All the women are good lookingWomen don't care about that. In fact it annoys them when the anime women are too good looking.>All of the men are handsome Men don't care about that. And women care much more about emotional storytelling and drama. It's why 0079 was so popular with women. They loved the survival family drama on White Base. And to be honest...the white Base crew isn't exactly the most handsome. Hayato, Ryu, and Bright? Lol. Says alot when Bright is the most handsome.
>>23886255Can you even read Japanese? You are just a Westerner who can't keep up with the rapid speed of Japanese social media. It's already very old news.
>>23886765>Women don't care about thatBisexual ones do.>Men don't care about thatFags do.>And women care much more about emotional storytelling and dramaIf that was the case then all the bargain bin otome games and gachas wouldn't be as successful as they are when their writing is so trash. The Gundam Meisters all have emotional drama and/or love interests to hook the female audience up.
>>23886242>I heard 00's character merch push floppedYou heard lies.
>>23886785I don't see you proving it right or wrong. Then again you can't trust metrics posts given how many of them keep making up reasons to accuse G-Witch of being a commercial failure.
>>23886783>Bisexual ones do. Tiny minority>Fags They don't buy model kits. So Bandai doesnt care. GWitch proved that with its awful gunpla sales.>If that was the case then all the bargain bin otome games and gachas wouldn't be as successful as they are when their writing is so trashNo. The narrative writing is mediocre, but it's still full of cheap emotional drama. Therefore female fans get hooked. To use a food analogy, these games are "cheap fast food". Quickly made, easy to understand, and consumed quickly. A guilty pleasure for buyers.It's like people who love fast literature or fast fashion. The book may be mediocre, but readers want their cheap romance novels so they can self insert. So the books still sell.Or for fast fashion... the quality of the material is cheap, but it looks good and is trendy. Downside is the clothing will fall apart after several washes in the washing machine. But it's so cheap you can just buy more later on.>Gundam Meisters all have emotional drama and/or love interests to hook the female audience up.You don't know what you are talking about. You didn't watch the anime or have a bad memory.Neil Dylandy is dead. Lyle's love interest is dead. No one is even sure what Tieria is into. Setsuna only loves robots or is an A Sexual. Hallelujah literally gets made fun of by Japanese fans because all he can do is yell "Marie!" and get his ass kicked most of the show. The show is terrible for romance. It's a failure.An actual show with love interests for every male and female character is Gundam Wing. And female fans do love it. Another example is Season 1 of Gunpla build fighters.
>go to Japan>both men and women like Gundam>nobody gives a shitThats crazy. RIP Akihabara. You used to be cool.
>>23887013>RIP AkihabaraIt's still alive and kicking.
>>23886985>To use a food analogyYou lose.
>>23887241>You lose.
>>23886956They made a stageplay over a decade after the show ended, a stageplay that doesn't even have robots in it, it's all the characters themselves.
>>23886777"very old news" doesn't disappear from the internet. If this interview you made up existed you'd be able to link it or an article discussing it. Any slightly spicy thing Tomino says that blows up in Japan instantly gets milked for drama here but there's nothing in the archives. You only made up this interview together with your narrative after Jordan was replaced and have never once linked any source.
>>23887356>"very old news" doesn't disappear from the internet.Lol. Yes they do. Websites purge old news articles all the time. Nobody expects it to last forever on the cloud anymore. Save a copy to your personal hard drive of you want to make sure it never disappears.
>>23887502>the cloudKek what a retard.
>>23887502It doesn't matter if the original news website goes down altogether. The interview you're claiming exists would surely have been talked about in Japanese drama blogs, twitter accounts, message boards. Yet not a single trace of it exists outside of /m/ because you made it up. We're not talking about some ancient history here either, we're talking about something that supposedly happened within the last 5 years.
>>23886092There's an anon who's been pushing this line for a few years and I wouldn't be surprised if this was him.
>>23885495>I think Tomino showed Okawara half a dozen enemy mecha concept sketches all called "Gelgoog"Funnily enough, the the Gelgoog was actually one which started with a rough design by Tomino
>>23887794Are those before or after Okawara did cleanups?
>>23887808Before, picrel's a good example of the pipeline from Tomino's rough sketches > refined Okawara design > animation-ready Yasuhiko model
>>23887822I wonder why he was so ashamed of the Gyan that he deleted it from the compilations.
>>23887888Retard.
>>23887927Not a response.
>>23887888They had to fit four hours worth of episodes into two hours of movie so Gyan was cut for time and pacing, just like Bigro and Braw Bro. No idea why you think Tomino was ashamed of it.
>>23888024>No idea why you think Tomino was ashamed of itAmericans push this narrative that gundam is a super cereal show and anything that isn't a gm or a zaku is there to sell toys and therefore """filler""".
>>23888024>No idea why you think Tomino was ashamed of it.It feels like something that got cut for being "too silly", just like how they tossed the G-Fighter. At least with the Guntank they probably also thought it'd be easier to animate a second Guncannon than some man-tank in the vacuum of space that's said to be one tenth of the Federation's effective firepower at Solomon.
>>23887356This isn't 2005 anymore. The Internet is not forever. How do you not know this?
>>23888029I mean, that's the narrative Gundam Sousei pushes - that shit like the Core Block system and Mobile Armors and the Gundam being in primary colors were stuff the creatives were ashamed of. Even though they're all creators who work on children's shows to move plastic toys and Tomino certainly learned from way back in Raideen about making compromises to keep up ratings and stay in charge.
>>23887356You do realize that demanding source and insulting others just makes people not want to give it to you. Kek.
>>23888179Wrong.
>>23888278>dot kek dot
>>23888179It's not a huge offender honestly, the knight motif might seem silly on the surface, but the Gundam itself has a samurai motif so really its just par for the course as far as mecha designs in the show goes.Plus, I don't think Tomino is that precious about it. I mean, he thought the Newtype apparition thing for Dozle's last stand was overdoing it, but to be pragmatic he left it in anyway.>The only part where we went a bit overboard with the Newtype aspect was that scene in episode 36 just before Dozle dies. It's utterly ridiculous. I really wanted to reshoot it, but we ran out of time... That scene was done by Yamazaki-kun, but it's unforgivable. I was genuinely shocked when I saw it myself.
>>23887674Have you actually searched for it or are you just being lazy and refuse to find it yourself? 4chan is not your personal servant. We aren't here to spoon-feed you or help you edit your Gundam wiki article.
>>23888278only if you are a newfag who is used to getting molly coddled on plebbit or other hugbox forums.it's pretty fucking obvious that that retard is just making shit up and deserves it.call us faggots and show the source, otherwise be prepared to take the heat.
>>23885392>after Zeta movie 1 was a massive success in theaters, he was interviewed by the news. Tomino then gave a heart felt speech where he said Bandai refuses to give him a real budget. That he truly wanted to give fans better animation but Bandai refused his calls for help and only gave him a tiny animation staff. Tomino shamed Bandai and Sunrise publicly. The following days his interview was all over Japan. Bandai and Sunrise agreed to give him a bigger budget and more staff. No enough to reanimate Zeta completely, but enough to do a lot more for Movie 2.
>>23888289>but to be pragmatic he left it in anywayHe kept the spiritual pressure in Encounters In Space, but he removed the bat features so it was just a huge energy aura. Feels like the exact imagery used was his issue, not the application.
>>23888297Can't you fucking read? I said in my first post that I searched for it in Japanese. That interview doesn't exist. I'm not asking you to spoonfeed me, I'm calling you out on a lie. This isn't your fanfiction website.
>>23888029>Americans...?????
>>23888366>I said in my first post that I searched for it in Japanese. >That interview doesn't exist.Or you just suck at searching.
>>23888297Exactly. I hate these newfags who come and demand we spoonfeed them. Then get mad when we don't. Spoiled children. I've been here since 2010. No one gave me free info. I had to dig up everything myself.
>>23888297>>23888486if you think asking proof for made up bullshit is spoonfeeding then you need to genuinely kill yourself.shit like this is how we got so many retarded rumours and misinformation in the fanbase
>>23888486He thinks a simple Google search will find everything. Keke. Funny part is nany Tomino interviews are only published in Japanese books with no online scans available.Anon gotta pay for it. He wants it for free. >>23888498People like you who complain about gatekeeping are the ones the gate is meant to keep out. >>23888311>Citation neededWe are not here to help you edit Gundam wiki. Go away.
>>23888750slit your throat faggot
Sure is Discussion in here.
>>23888750How on earth is anybody supposed to take anything you say as true if you just spout it and refuse to provide backing data of any kind?
>>23888805There is only one anon here who is ultra hyper obsessed with seeing a source. You.
Stop replying to yourself.
>>23888823I literally just got here.
>>23888838Then why are you feeding into the problem by giving an noncontributing parasite (You)s? DO NOT INTERACT WITH SPAMMERS.
>>23888833I am single handedly keeping this entire fucking board alive with one hand. TRY and keep up cuck
>>23888842I think the "problem" is making claims and not producing sources dude. If you make a claim the burden of proof is on you, this isn't rocket science.or some alien concept.
>>23888855Not our fault you are ignorant.You have Google. You have social media. You have Google translate. Go find it yourself. Stop ruining the thread because you are so lazy. The rest of us arent going to stop our conversation to give you wikipedia level citations for every single little thing Tomino has said.
>>23888855>If you make a claim the burden of proof is on youDoes this look like plebbit to you? We don't care. You can't down vote us here for not obeying you.
>>23888823Because you just made up a bunch of bullshit that would never fly in Japanese media
Thread hidden.
>>23888885Stop replying to him. You are only encouraging spoodfeeders when you give in to their demands.
>>23888889I mean I wasn't the one using reddit spacing over and over again.
>>23886223The flipside of this is that Tomino always resented the commercialisation of anime, was frequently at loggerheads with sponsors throughout his career, and actively tries to rewrite history to minimise its importance while emphasising the role of the 'true' fans. You really shouldn't be taking any of these guys' memories as 100% gospel truth, and should always be trying to cross-reference their claims wherever possible. Even without cynical motives, or people consciously trying to emphasise/downplay an aspect of the thing or whatever, they're still recounting stuff that happened 45+ years ago, and anecdotes have a tendency to slowly shift every time they're re-told (or even incorporate stuff which other people have told them after the fact, regardless of if it's true)What we do know for certain is that Bandai acquired the license to produce Gundam plastic kits in December 1979, design work started immediately (the finalised 1/144 Gundam kit design is dated Feb 7th 1980 (Showa 55年2月7日), just 10 days after the last episode of MSG aired), and that Bandai had received letters from people expressing interest in licensed Gundam kits. The reruns were obviously a big part in generating ongoing interest in Gundam between the first run ending and the first movie releasing, but they weren't the thing which inspired the model kits
>>23888893The more you cry about sources, the more it makes me happy. Go back to Gundam wiki. Do research yourself.
>>23888929>You really shouldn't be taking any of these guys' memories as 100% gospel truth...I'd take Yas at his word. His rewrites in The Origin are mostly lame, but if GundamPodcast's writeup on F91 is to be believed, that guy pretty much saved Gundam from being just another mecha show by making Garma survive for five episodes. Wonder whose idea giving Icelina her own episode was, because that also ended up being genius.
>has bitched out over being asked for source before KEKhttps://desuarchive.org/m/thread/23197878
>>23888251>This isn't 2005 anymorepretty sure jordan thing was quite recent, it would be pretty weird if it vanished from the internet so quickly.as for zeta movies, I think it's usual bullshit that stems from anime fans not knowing much about production and thinking of weird artistic decisions as a result of budget constraints rather than something deliberately intended (like that false rumour about final BW episode of Gunbuster). Zeta ANT having old+new footage was not because of budget.
>>238888891st day on the internet?
>>23888945>that guy pretty much saved Gundam from being just another mecha showNot only that, but Yas was a huge part of why Amuro is the protagonist in the first place:>Even before Mr Tomino presented his plan for Gundam, I had a character in mind whom I’d like to try as the protagonist. That character is the Amuro we know today, but in Mr Tomino’s plan, Bright was the protagonist. It was a bit different from the image of the protagonist I had in mind. In fact, a boy named Amuro, who was one of the supporting characters, was the perfect fit for my vision of the protagonist. So, after much discussion, we ended up promoting Amuro from a supporting role to the lead (Animage, July 1979) Outside of the narrative, Yas's and Okawara's painted illustrations were also vital in giving off a mature image of the show and convinced older audiences to give it a chance. There's a reason the trio of Tomino, Yasuhiko and Okawara are always brought up when talking about the success of Gundam.
>>23889002I'm not sure if a story like that would make Amuro more or less like Susumu from Yamato.
>>23889002I wonder if this was during the early phases when it was called various names like freedom fighter, gunvoy etc, there were also more direct inspiration from Starship Troopers with powered suits instead of mechs. Somebody like Bright would have suited as the adult-ish protagonist for that kind of story. If you take the long run of UC from 0079-CCA and then Unicorn-Cucuruz-Hathaway, you could say that Bright eneded up being the main guy overall.
>>23888476I'm actually really good at looking these things up which is why I confidently said you're making it up and didn't actually ask for the source, only pointed out that you've never posted one in your history of making this up. Now you're lashing out because you were caught or just trolling for the sake of it. Next time you want to make something like this up, just claim your uncle works for Sunrise instead.
>>23888979We know you are a Jordan fanboy but the reality is that Jordan was fired. Let it go and move on with your life.
>>23888945>Wonder whose idea giving Icelina her own episode was, because that also ended up being genius.That would be Araki, one of Gundam's four scriptwriters, the others being Matsuzaki, Hoshiyama, and Yamamoto. They actually deserve a lot of credit because they were solely responsible for episodes 7 to 21; Tomino had little involvement in the script-writing process at this time (he didn't even have story structures), so characters like Matilda, Ramba Ral and Hamon were all their doing. Even something like Lalah being Indian was Yamamoto's idea:>You see, when deciding on Lalah, I insisted right from the start that she should be of Indian descent, but Mr. Tomino kept going on about how blondes would be better and so on. I thought, "Ah, this is hopeless," but then Mr. Yasuhiko drew Lalah and, wouldn't you know it, she was Indian after all, so I was really happy (laughs). (Yamamoto Yuu, Roman Album Extra 42, May 1981)
This databook guy is hilarious. Don't you people realize that databooks are meaningless? Director Fukuda said Sunrise staff ignore those books all the time. They write what is suitable for the story. It doesn't matter what an old book says.
>>23889030I had literally never heard of this jordan guy before his name got attached to gundam. Obviously he was removed but not because of Tomino like you claim to without anything to back that up. It's more likely that they were just unsure about him and didn't like his ideas.
>>23889049It does if Yas backports those details into canon, like he did when he depicted the colony drop.
>>23889036Yamamoto might be misremembering cause Yas attributes Lalah's design and background to Tomino.He had influence on many female character designs, vetoed on Matilda having short hair and likely was the person behind Sayla's current design (her original design looked a lot like generic Matsumoto girl from Yamato).
>>23889058Shut up Jordan.
>>23889077There's some early sketches of Lalah by Tomino floating about, and she was already a dothead in those
Holy fuck this thread is fucking trash.
>>23889162>this happened>that's total bullshit actually this happened >actually this happenedthe thread
>>23886355A lot of the men had girlhips, but generally speaking, I do like 00's art.
Jesus, he really does do this every thread. For the record: the director left because the movie was in development hell. It had nothing to do with Tomino.
To my understanding it wasn't that roberts, specifically was fired or anything, but after the meeting in Japan with Tomino and bamcorise execs, the project was cancelled and rebooted under bamco filmworks instead of netflix, which meant the entire team got dumpstered. Whether this was Tomino's will or not idk, but the timing is circumspect
>>23889058they replaced him with fucking jim mickle. if this is why they're peak retarded
>>23888311Even that bit about Zeta movie 1 being a massive success is full of shit: it earned 862m yen at the box office, which feels like a lot, until you consider Detective Conan: Strategy Above the Depths released the same year earned 2.15b yen. Zeta movie 2 and 3 got even worse results, earning 600m and 492m; not a good sign that people gave less of a shit about your trilogy as it progresses. The things is, there are people who grew up in the 70s and 80s worshiping Tomino who are now in decision-making positions in Bandai and Sunrise, which is why he can release flop after financial flop like Turn A and G-Reco and still be allowed ten feet within the premises. Let's be real, he hasn't had a hit in decades and even so-called masterpieces like Zeta didn't even move the needle when it came to affecting the cultural zeitgeist. Even today in Japan, when you hear about Gundam references from the general public, it's all from the original Gundam which was a legitimate cultural milestone. The only other series that comes close is SEED, and for some demographics, it's definitely supplanted the original, which is why SEED Freedom at 5.05b yen is the highest grossing Gundam film ever and not a single UC film comes even close.
>>23888929Yeah, whenever you read or watch interviews with Tomino, you get the feeling that deep down it kills him inside that Gundam's longevity can be attributed not to the strength of its narrative or message but to the appeal of the Gunpla. Hell, Zeta wouldn't have existed if the popularity of Plamo Kyoshiro and MSV, which kept the Gundam name alive long after the films had left theaters, didn't convince Bandai there's still money to be made from it. Even now, I bet 99.999999% of people who've ever built any grade model kit of RX-78 do not know or care what the hell an Amuro Ray is, they just know this cool and colorful plastic robot is one of the cheapest and easiest toys to build on the planet.
>>23889604Success is measured according to the budget.
>>23889422Yeah Jordan. Sure. Whatever.
>>23889604Stop embarrassing yoursel. That's not how it works. A movie's success is measured based on the original budget + profit. Zeta movies were huge hits given they had a tiny budget.
>>23889604...??????>Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam: A New Translation movie trilogy (released between 2005 and 2006) was a major success in Japan.>Box Office Performance: The films performed exceptionally well, regularly competing in the top tiers of the Japanese box office. The first film, Heirs to the Stars, debuted at #3, and the sequels saw similar commercial success, making it one of the most lucrative Gundam projects of its era.>Commercial Success: The trilogy performed far better at the box office than many high-profile animated films of the time and exceeded the expectations of the studio.>Director's Response: The success of the movies provided a massive boost to director Yoshiyuki Tomino, who had been facing financial setbacks prior to the project. He was so grateful for the turnout that he posted a personal thank-you letter to the fans on the trilogy's official website.
Where did Daitan 3 appear in Gundam?
>>23889604Then tell us what's the budget of the Zeta movies.
>>23886266DELET THIS
>>23889162>>23889172It's just one guy with his hyper-obsession and autism with collecting interviews and databooks. When he doesn't get his way he lashes out at everyone else in the thread. Ignore him and do not reward his behavior.
>>23889863Ep35, one of the panning shots of the Fed forces after the Solar System fires has Raideen (bottom left), Tetsujin #28 (top middle) and Daitarn 3 (middle right) snuck in
>>23890429>Super Robot Wars 0
>>23885377>Was he really hated by Sunrise and Bandai executives?This part is definitely a lie. They invited him to direct G Reco and trusted him with Turn A after all the crybaby lash out he did during Victory.
>>23891836It's a love-hate relationship between Tomino and Bandai Executives. Tomino admits this several times. Tomino hates that Bandai won't let Gundam end and keeps stretching things out, but Tomino admits he needs the money for his family. His wife and children have expensive taste. House payments, Private schools, traveling abroad, tuition, etc. It's not cheap. Bandai dislikes that Tomino can be difficult to work with. But even they have admitted that Tomino sometimes creates some very valuable and interesting stories. That Tomino is foundational to the history of Sunrise and Gundam. Plus Tomino has a very loyal fan base that supports him. If Tomino says he hates something, then a lot of fans will follow what he says. For example, Tomino said ZZ, F91 (to a lesser extent) and Victory Gundam were failures, and fans supported his view for a long time.
>>23891923Tomino's said that every show he worked on was a failure. And he's not wrong. The only thing I think he has appreciation for is his Dunbine novels.
>>23891923I think he's too much of a pissbaby, but he is correct to an extent about Gundam being stretched out. I don't like all the AUslop. At least old AU material tried to feel like it was still fundamentally a Gundam story e.g. X taking place in an Alternate version of the OYW, Wing being a pseudo re-touch on the Zeta setting without the space magic autism. G is probably the only one of the out there/"unrelated" spin offs that I won't shit talk because it's so good.Stuff like IBO, Sneed from Mercury, etc. if you took away the Gundam head and name, nothing about those shows would change at all because they fundamentally are not Gundam programming, they're just robot shows that bamcorise was unconfident being their own IP
>>23892638they learned from the giga floppening of all the 2010's mech shows like valverave buddy complex and aldnoah zero
>>23892662Fractal wrongness.
>>23890429I miss when the industry would throw in little blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo appearances from other works.
>>23892847>the industryShut the fuck up retard.
>>23892847 >I miss when the industry would throw in little blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo appearances from other works.Because anime was more niche back then and animators could get away with it. But today? Nope. Do any Easter egg or cameo and then social media will point it out immediately. YouTube will make hundreds of videos about it with so many opinionated "Gundam YouTubers" making ridiculous thumbnails like 'You WONT Believe what Gundam just did!'. So Sunrise has clamped down hard on things like that. They don't want any potential negative attention. The anime studios are afraid to breathe and make a misstep. Many studios have also turned down the violence and got rid of blood because they are afraid of the Western fans throwing a fit on social media This is why anime gatekeeping is necessary. Too many casuals and tourists have flooded the industry.
>>23890027
>>23892669>no argumenti accept your concession
>>23892880>WesternWhy not name the name? It's Australia and other yurobloc shitholes, same as it always was.
>>23892880This is so choke full of misinformation and stupidity.
>>23889525No, that's stupid. They had a director and possibly even actors lined up, a shooting schedule reportedly roughed out. So, they'd gone from, "Pipedream," to, "This is really happening, finally," and pivoted to erasing all of that progress because Tomino mentioned obliquely that he was unhappy? When they were in the position to have something ready for the 45th anniversary? No. That's not how these corporations operate. Netflix and the director pulled out because they were ready to go and the Japanese side wasn't. This was, of course, a disaster that pushed back production years, so that it's probably going to land in between anniversaries, which is not what Bamcorise wanted.If Netflix had been kicked off the project, they wouldn't have been welcomed back to save it like they were. It's clear that they left and only came back when everyone signaled that they were serious about actually finishing the damn thing.
>>23893620>No. That's not how these corporations operate.You really don't understand Japanese companies and how they operate. Bandai has final say and veto power. I guarantee that is written in the contract for this movie. And Bandai moves at their own pace. Director Fukuda (of Gundam Seed) said in old interviews that Bandai wouldn't move forward with Gundam Seed's production unless he got Tomino's blessing. Executives specifically told him to meet Tomino and ask for his blessing. Director Fukuda talked about meeting with Tomino, getting yelled at, Tomino screaming that Bandai lied to him about Gundam ending, and that Turn A Gundam was meant to be the final Gundam and unify all universes. How dare Bandai make more Gundam.But in the end, after getting yelled at, Tomino agreed to give his blessing Fukuda. As long as Fukuda promised to stand up for himself and pursue his own vision for Seed. Not get pushed around by Executives.
>>23893713In other words, you're an idiot who gets fooled by corporate narratives. Tomino was fired for his failure with Victory and told that the Giant Robo guy was going to be his replacement, and that Imagawa was going to be subservient to the demands of Bandai and had Polka Gundam thrown in the fucking trash.Fukuda is a corporate stooge through and through. Bandai hired him because he would be obedient to their demands after they cancelled Turn A Gundam when Tomino once again proved himself a failure.
>>23893729Tomino still holds significant influence with the fanbase. He also technically owned the Gundam franchise for a period of time before selling his shares to Sunrise.>FiredTomino wasn't fired. He quit because he was depressed and wanted a break from Gundam. Bandai was happy to give Tomino shows because, despite lower ratings in later years, gunpla from Tomino shows sold well.
>>23893729What kind of fanfiction are you writing? If Victory was enough to get him fired, then Katoki, Okawara and Ishigaki would have been booted out of Sunrise according to that logic. >Fukuda is a corporate stooge through and through. Bandai hired him because he would be obedient to their demands after they cancelled Turn A GundamOh yeah, 50 episodes. Very canceled.
>>23893729>Brain Powered>Turn AYeah, fired.
>>23893729>after they cancelled Turn A GundamIt not only completed its TV run, but also got a 2-part theatrical release
>>23888963I mean, wouldn't you if you knew you had the only surviving copy of a mimeographed fanzine from 1978 that has Tomino saying a certain thing but nobody will believe you? After 50 years you might get tired too of people asking for proof when you know it cannot be verified.
>>23893812Go away Gundam Wiki editor. Your obsession with sources gives you away. No one here wants to help write your Gundam Wiki articles. Be gone.
>>23893807It was supposed to go for 100 episodes.
>>23893875>Trust me bro
>>23893875that was just tomino's pipedream, bandai was only gracious enough to give him an year's worth of timeslot to direct his therapy sessions due to his return and 20th anniversary.
>>23893807I mean, the only rare instance of a canceled Gundam show was Gundam X, the gunpla sale was probably decent but the plummeted viewership didn't justify its existence as a tv show. Bandai was happy enough with Turn A's ratings to give it a complete run, a novel and 2 compliation movies. Gundam shows nowadays would kill for a 50 episodes runtime.
>>23893964Which is something good enough for him as well. He talks about Turn A fondly, unlike Victory which he looks back at it with absolute disbelief and hatred.
Ok this is comedy gold
>>23893974>unlike Victory which he looks back at it with absolute disbelief and hatredhe likes it now.
>>23894036Nah, he was bitching about Bandai during that era, the unpolished storytelling and the pressure he had back then from the last time he got asked about Victory. Sure there was a long tangent about Russia-Ukraine war, but you can feel a certaint annoyance comming from him. He even got abit mad at Katoki and scolded him during the the mecha designing phase of the production.>Think about this realistically and execute it. You’re capable of it.
>>23893964Do you also deny that X was cancelled?
>>23893818kek he should go sit in the corner with the /m/ wiki person.
>>23894155NTA but there is no hint of Turn A getting canceled whatsoever, the broadcasting went smoothly and Bandai just supported Tomino's choices in mecha designs ( granted, it backfired horribly ). Tomino also looks back at it fondly and think of it as one of his best work. Meanwhile Gundam X's broadcasting was a literall hell with constant timeslot changes and the disinterested audiences. Gundam X got 39 eps while Turn A got 50 and two compilation films is the most of obvious indication of which one got canceled and which one didn't.
>>23894155Even the most popular AU of the 90s aka Wing didn't get 100 episodes lmao. What makes you think Turn A was supposed to get anything other than a 5 episodes OVA if it was a massive hit?
>>23894183https://turnafeezy.wordpress.com/2024/04/09/the-legacies-of-the-turn-a-gundam-sequels-that-never-came-to-fruition/Tomino intended a direct sequel to Turn-A back then but it didn't get approved. "Turn A Space" was pretty well known here for years, although it probably wasn't its actual name.
>>23894195As the other anon said, this is literally his pipedream. The Way Gundam AUs work in the 90s is one and done, G, Wing and X ( supposed to ) had a 12 months run. When Tomino resurfaced with G Reconguista, beside the jingling key that was Moonlight Butterfly, it had nothing to do with Turn A story-wise.
>>23894155deacon says it wasn't cancelled and just a fandom myth.
>>23893971>canceled Gundam show was Gundam X, the gunpla sale was probably decent but the plummeted viewership didn't justify its existenceBoth the TV ratings and merchandise sales were terrible for Gundam X. You can have terrible TV ratings or terrible merch sales. But never both at the same time. Both means cancelation. I honestly don't blame consumers. Gundam X had some bland and awful mecha designs. The only unique one was Gundam X Divider with it's beam harmonica shield.
>>23893818>Gundam wiki>>23894160>kek he should go sit in the corner with the /m/ wiki person.Funny story. I helped an anon one time with a source. I provided a scan picture from one of the Gundam books I imported from Japan. My only requirement was that he had to specifically say the source was provided from the 4chan /m/echa board. The bastard took my scan, and refused to credit /m/. Instead he credited himself on Gundam wiki and got praised from his fellow wiki editors for finding info. Apparently they don't like mentioning 4chan on Gundam wiki and pretend 4chan doesn't exist. Which is funny since their users all hang here out on /m/ and demand we give them sources. I'm never posting a single thing to help them again. The Gundam wiki can burn for all I care.
>>23894505Gundam X's model kit sales were a 20% drop from Wing's.Gundam X's tv ratings though were basically on par with Wing's before the timeslot change. There's one odd episode with really low ratings, but everything else airing that day also had lower ratings so clearly there was some outside factor there. If you remove that, X's first half's ratings are basically on par with Wing's.Like already explained, the entire programming block was eliminated. It's not a matter of X specifically being replaced by something else. Sunrise never had secured the full year timeslot in the first place when X started, the team working on the show just thought they'd do that eventually.
>>23893971>Bandai was happy enough with Turn A's ratings to give it a complete run, a novel and 2 compliation movies. Gundam shows nowadays would kill for a 50 episodes runtime.It was mostly out of reverence to Tomino, a lesser director would have been kicked to the curb. Even then, after Turn A, the atmosphere surrounding Gundam was at it's lowest point: >Fuji TV's patience was only limited to airing 50 episodes of Turn A, after which it refused to touch another Gundam series ever again. >Comic Bom Bom, which had been serializing Gundam manga including Plamo Kyoshiro in their pages for decades, suffering the dismal reception of the Turn A manga, made them refuse to serialize SEED, which they regretted when it was a smash hit>Kadokawa canceled the third book of their Turn A Complete Record Collection when the first two books sold terribly>New Material Turn A Gundam diecast figures, initially sold at 7800 yen, ended up piled high in discount carts reduced to clear at 2000 yen each
>>23894566Even staff who worked on Turn A Gundam aren't shy about calling it a disaster:>Shigeru Morita (Studio Nue, settei of Turn A and SEED): It's been 10 years, so I'll just say it, but commercially, sales of plastic models, DVDs and other products for Turn A Gundam were not a huge success. Because of that, there was certainly tangible and intangible pressure from all quarters to make this new Gundam to be ”a commercial success as an absolute requirement". (Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Cosmic Era Mechanic & The World, 2012)>Akiman (character designer of Turn A): Gundam SEED is the reviver of the Gundam franchise. The movie version is finally being released. Looking back, Gundam SEED and Gundam A came out around the time of Gundam's 30th anniversary. Gundam popularity, which had cooled off with works like ∀ Gundam, suddenly blossomed around then. It felt like a huge relief at the time. I think back then, more celebrities came out saying, "Actually, I'm a Gundam fan. https://x.com/akiman7/status/1750760117476503645>Yasuo Miyakawa (President and CEO of Sunrise): In 2002, there was no longer any desire to revive it (Gundam) or to work on it as a company." (Anime Questions War and the Future ~20 Years of Gundam SEED)Gundam being propped up by the Master Grade and newly-launched HGUC lines around the time didn't help matters; Bandai higher-ups were this close to just saying fuck anime production and let's just use this dumb robot cartoon to mine for model kit fodder. I get Turn A and Tomino fans are allergic to being told the truth but fact is Turn A was almost the penultimate nail in the coffin for Gundam as a story-telling franchise with just how terribly it did.
>>23892866Problem?
>>23894505>filtered
>>23893729>Brain powered>Turn A>all the novels>garzeys fucking wingMuch fired. You're such a fucking retard dude holy shit, seethe.
>>23894571>Turn A was almost the penultimate nail in the coffin for Gundamthis would have been a good thing in tomino's eyes.
>>23894177I'd also point out X got shafted the most in sidestories and vidya over the years until the blurays revived interest in it, outside of exactly two instances: SRW Z1 and @G
>>23894505>>23894598something I liked about the X designs is how many little greebles they had, like the vanilla form of X having its beam rifle break open and transform into a shield, or storing the hyper beam saber inside of the butt of the satellite cannon, or how Leopard had weird arms because its weapons were all part of an assembly system that integrated weapons systems into the body, etc.though some of the designs were "uninspired" in the sense that they were basically just supposed to be UC suits like the qubeley, zeong, etc.
>>23894571The problem with Turn A Gundam is that the backstory is much more interesting than the actual anime. Tomino is always able to create these wonderful and interesting world settings. Sometimes he's too good since it overshadows his other writing.It's the same problem IBO Gundam faced. The backstory of the great solar war was much more interesting than the IBO anime. It's a real problem for the show when the fans care more about long lost technology being rediscovered than hardships the characters face.
>>2389464590 IQ post
>>23894639Gundam X also got a side-story manga back during the DVD release.>>23894642Personally, I love X's not Zeon designs. They're clearly inspired but also have their won aesthetics that you really don't quite see anywhere else.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHu7dp1evEMLike the Bertigo is Qubeley derived design, but it takes it in a direction that you don't see with the actual canon Qubeley successors and no other AU has even tried to do new Qubeleys.
>>23894637Honestly, for the survival of Gundam as a franchise, Tomino should probably be kept far away from it. Even if he is over his big crash out from the early 90's, it seems like he hasn't let go of his desire to try and destroy the franchise with any attempt he gets
>>23894706>Honestly, for the survival of Gundam as a franchise, Tomino should probably be kept far away from it.Tomino doesn't even want to make Gundam anymore. He wants to make mecha anime with a positive and happy tone. Tomino's only request is that new Gundam writers and creators leave his old stories alone. To stop changing the fate of his characters. It's why he got so mad a Fukui for rehashing his old ideas and bringing back Mineva. He absolutely hated it and said Mineva was supposed to live a happy life and stay away from politics forever.
>>23894709I honestly can't blame Tomino. I would be pissed too if new Gundam writers kept pecking at my old stories and trying to modify things. Considering how Japanese treat stories as sacred and something to be honored, I'm surprised that new Gundam writers think it's okay to mess with Tomino's characters. What other anime franchise allows that? Bandai should step in and tell them to come up with new ideas and to stop touching Tomino's action figures.
>>23894709>>23894711Its why I was so excited for GQX at first, basically being set in a pseudo Gihrens Greed setting but with original characters, for the most part....and then it turned out to just be more retcon slop revolving around CCA and an unrelated alternate universe
>>23894726Fans need to realize that the main reason Mobile Suit Gundam 0079 is interesting is BECAUSE Zeon lost. That, despite their huge initial advantage and tons of mobile armors, Zeon threw away their near victory. The Federation pushed back from a near defeat to an absolute win. Thos unique scenario is what sparks so many discussions and debates. I have no idea why the Japanese fans are totally obsessed with Zeon winning. If they win, the scenario becomes boring. Zeon are only interesting as underdogs who always fail right at the finish line.
>>23894745>so many discussions and debates. >I have no idea why the Japanese fans are totally obsessed with Zeon winningthen it should be really fucking obvious that the years of discussion and debate is akin to jerking themselves off but only edging because it was never real, they've been mentally thinking about it all this timeafter 40+ years they receive an animated scenario about zeon having won the war and it's like they finally found the jerk-off video where the lady tell them they're allowed to finishbut in the end it feels empty, there's no payoff for the years of mentally edging themselves discussing what-if scenarios
>>23894759I mean don't the Japanese themselves realize that generic Space Empires winning and conquering everything is very boring ? It's been done to death in so many stories. That's the part I don't get.
>>23894765it's almost like it keeps selling like hotcakes BECAUSE they want more of it
>>23894770More of Zeon losing?
>>23894745Zeon winning is interesting because it allows a picture into what kind of despotic, terrible world that looks like. And to the surprise of absolutely no one, that's actually one of the most interesting parts of GQX too: they took one of the most prosperous colonies in that part of UC and transformed it into a total shithole being exploited to death by the state. What you're arguing for is essentially>Why write 1984: But Gundam? The Allies winning was a way better endingThis is also why GQX immediately stops being interesting when they stop focusing on these teenages growing up in a world that only the viewer understands is distorted and why and instead decides to engage in egregious amuro, lalah and char fellatio again.
>>23894706>the survival of Gundam as a franchisewhy? After Hathaway ends, if they don't follow up with Crossbone or Gaia Gear then there's no point in keeping this thing going. They can finish off Freedom Zero, Wing and 00 sequel that they may have planned and kiss this thing goodbye, we had a decent 50-ish year run after all.
>>23894775I will grant you that they had one chance to explore alternate UC with Gqux. But it was very disappointing. If they didn't have a good story to tell, then they should not have bothered at all. Giren wouldn't just sit inside his office, do nothing, and bang his secretary for 6 years. Then randomly ge killed by Kycillia easily.What kind of nonsense is this?
>>23894885>Giren wouldn't just sit inside his office, do nothing, and bang his secretary for 6 yearsYes I would.
>>23894571>Turn A was almost the penultimate nail in the coffin I wouldn't say that. Gundam X was more like that because it shown how Gundam anime was nolonger profitable regardless of what universe it sets in or who is the mecha designer. Turn A's problem was the dumb looking robots, the anime itself had enough viewers to keep the show going, unlike X.
>>23894961Except, X had the exact same viewership as Wing until it got shoved into a shitty timeslot, where its viewership was the same as other shows also airing on that timeslot. Stop being a midwit.
>>23894977>Except, X had the exact same viewership as WingNot really. Wing still had better ratings. And it had massively better merchandise sales.
>>23895002It didn't. Gundam X's kit sales weren't as high, but it wasn't a ginormous difference.Wing also didn't have meaningfully better ratings .. unless you're counting X's ratings after it got shifted onto the time bloc that killed its viewership. I don't know why people try to cope so much about this. X got canned because bamcorise didn't buy space to air it in the usual time slot for its whole run time, leading it to being moved to a way shittier one where everything in that time bloc got axed instead of just X.
>>23895045Come on now. Even Director Fukuda who made Gundam Seed trashed Gundam X. He called it boring and he couldn't watch it beyond the first few episodes because it was too dull.
>>23895064Ironic comming from the guy who fumbled so hard, he killed the potential replacement to UC.
>>23894977>until it got shoved into a shitty timeslotTv shows don't get booted out of their golden timeslot unless they have poor performance, not just the viewership but the commercial strength too. Same with how Super Sentai's timeslot got changed in 2017 and the franchise died 6 years later just because TV Asahi decided to broadcast Kamen Rider first in the SHT block. Bandai probably saw the writing on the wall and just prematurely killed Gundam X with the change.
what a spectacularly pointless thread this turned out to be
>>23894765>generic Space Empires winning and conquering everything is very boring Are you talking about the good guys? Because sure as we are lacking the stories about them winning for sure!
>>23895064>even [guy with shit taste] said it was bad!..and? That's a total non-sequitur, retard
>>23895293Except it didn't get booted out, you purchase those timeslots in advance. This isn't my opinion either, it's a well documented fact that sunrise simply didn't purchase the full year's timeslot. The fact it wasn't cancelled when that air time ran out and they span around and hurriedly bought a new timeslot in the shitter zone instead says a lot, and none of it is>ew this show sucks people hate it and so do weWhy is everything a conspiracy with you nigger?
Why does DuelX feel the compulsion to shit up every single thread where X is mentioned?
>>23895305Very little actually talking about the thread and mostly just one retard insisting his headcanon is real
>>23895517whomst
>>23894765Many gundam fans and writers are right wingers who wish imperial Japan won world war 2 and use Zeon as a stand in for their fantasies of noble sacrifices and martial spirit. See Gundam 0083, MS Igloo, Unicorn, Thunderbolt, various games and manga, etc.
>>23895831Nice headcanon.
>>23895838NTA but the otaku generation (80s/90s) was right-wing and the modern creators are all in the far right, despite the classic masters were all leftists
>>23895845Leiji was an old master.
>>23895845Kek yeah okay.
>>23895502>Except it didn't get booted out, They can get booted if the TV show is not performing well and not getting ratings. Both the TV station and the anime studio gets a cut of advertising revenue. The TV station rents out timeslots to customers with the understanding they will meet the minimum thresholds for ratings. Advertisers can also complain. They buy advertising during a specific TV show because they expect the TV show to get high audience viewership. If the TV show fails to meet their promised ratings, then the advertisers can complain to the TV station which can enforce the TV show be moved. Sometimes the TV station, as an apology, gives the advertisers free commercial spots during other TV shows to make up for the original TV shows failure.
>>23895831>right wingers....??????Japan's right wing are the pro-America party that wants Japan to be closer to America geopolitically and culturally. The left are the party of Imperial Jap apologists. Why do so many /pol/schizos on this board get that wrong?
>>23896477>/pol/schizosIt's actually americans eternally butt hurt at Japan.
>>23885495>IJA scuba kamikazefascinating. I can see the resemblance to Zakus, also explains the tubing and monoeye
>>23896495forgot pic
>>23895983>They can-but that didn't happen though, again that's not my opinion, that's a documented fact. Gundam X moved timeslots because sunrise didn't buy the timeslot for the whole year.>>23896477because they fail to grasp the cultural nuance of japan. they just see the new pm gets along with blimpf and is a populist and draws conclusions from there
>>23896477>The left are the party of Imperial Jap apologistsNo, that's also the right, just a different subgroup. Japan is like America, the actual leftist groups are a very tiny minority due to their own incompetence and the government's post-WW2 efforts to snuff out communism, most are some flavor of right-wing.Leftism is against monarchies because the existence of a noble class of bourgeoisie that's above the rest runs against its principles. Japanese communists also welcome immigration with open arms, while the monarchists are usually extremely xenophobic because of their hardcore nationalism.
>>23896500>Gundam X moved timeslots because sunrise didn't buy the timeslot for the whole yearIf X had been successful they would've gone out of their way to secure a good timeslot for the second half of the year, but it wasn't so they just sent it to die.
>>23896486??????
>>23896501>due to their own incompetence and the government's post-WW2 efforts to snuff out communism, most are some flavor of right-wing.That's every nation's political party makeup. Since communism is an unwritten crime in most of the world, power ends up flowing to the angriest anti-communists.
>>23896505>This could've been the case, therefore it definitely was.
>>23896525This but you pretending this is a world where X was successful.
>>23896528I'm not the guy you've been arguing with. Other people think you're an idiot, too.
>>23896538>I'm not the guy you've been arguing withI'm not either, but good luck convincing everyone else here.
>>23896501>that's also the right>sauce: my ass
>>23896505Uh, no, because you cannot simply secure the best timeslots that you ordinarily have to secure a year in advance on short noticeAgain, I'm arguing about what actually is: i.e.>The stated reasons Gundam X was moved off its original time slot: because bamcorise did not purchase that time slot for the whole year ahead of time>The actual sales data and viewership metrics of the show: which show that until it moved timeslots, it was basically the same as Wing'snot about whatever delusional tangent you want to shit yourself about
>>23896559It's not like you cited any sources either.
>>23896568Yeah yeah, Gundam X would've been the most successful and popular show in the franchise's history had it not been sabotaged by those big mean cheapskate idiots at Sunrise who didn't secure the full year timeslot for a show that wasn't doing well, whatever helps you sleep at night.
>>23896568>it was basically the same as Wing'sHoly delusion.
>>23895285He at least succeeded on his first try, unlike X's director.>>23895497Have you ever considered that maybe you're the one with shit taste instead?
>>23896568Meanwhile, according to Gundam Mythology Z (ガンダム神話Z)>こと番組視聴率となると、『Vガンダム』以来、芳しくなかった。このため、TV復帰シリーズ第四作目『機動新世紀ガンダムX』に託された「ガンダムプロジェクト」の最優先テーマは、視聴率を上げることだった。これは視聴率が低いことに業を煮やした番組スポンサー企業の中で、ガンダム離れが進行していたからであった。だが、『ガンダムX』では視聴率低下に歯止めが利かず、放映期限終了を待たずに、テレビ復帰シリーズは打ち切られた。この余波を受け、『ガンダムX』の次のシリーズとして企画されていたSDガンダムのアニメ化の話は、時間枠を取れず立ち消えとなる。「視聴率が取れなくても、商品が売れれば良いという時代は終わった」と松本は改めて感じた。>When it came to program viewership ratings, they hadn't been good since "V Gundam." Therefore, the top priority of the "Gundam Project," entrusted with the fourth series marking Gundam's return to television, "Mobile Suit Gundam X," was to increase viewership. This was because some of the program's sponsors, frustrated by the low ratings, were moving away from Gundam. However, the decline in viewership for "Gundam X" was unstoppable, and the series was cancelled before its scheduled broadcast period ended. In the aftermath, plans for an anime adaptation of SD Gundam, which had been planned as the next series after "Gundam X," were cancelled due to a lack of available time slots. Matsumoto [the Managing Director at Sunrise] realized once again that "the era where it was okay to sell products even if viewership ratings were low is over."
>>23896833>He at least succeeded on his first try, unlike X's director.I wouldn't call X and SEED as "first try", both Takamatsu and Fukuda have been around for a long time, unless you are a retard who believe X and SEED were their very first works.
>>23896864This is a different matter though. They're talking about how the 90s Gundams in general had low tv ratings and X failed in its goal to improve those ratings. This whole discussion here is trying to single out X as a special failure in comparison to the other 90s shows.
>>23896833>He at least succeeded on his first try, unlike X's director.X's director, Shinji Takamatsu, was the one that finished Wing after production fell apart due to the 1st director suddenly leaving due to creative divergences with the writer.He also directed 3 Brave series beforehand (Might Gaine, J-Decker, Goldran). In fact, he had to freaking direct Goldran and Wing at the same time while also taking care of X's pre-production.
>>23896877He also directed half of War in The Pocket and a chunk of CCA that Gundamfags like to suck off. He also directed almost every Gintama anime. Meanwhile after the failure of Cosmic era, Fukuda has nothing else valuable in his resume.
>>23896877Also, note unlike the original Gundam, there weren't even set detailed "plans" for the episodes that got "cut".X's script writer talks here on twitterhttps://x.com/kawasak54965532/status/902179505858527234He talked with the director and there were certain ideas/feelings they wanted in the finale, but there was no detailed set plan leading there.>That's exactly as you point out. The reason is that when I was planning the overall structure ahead of time, I had absolutely no concrete image of what the final episode would be like. However, that was only in terms of a specific, detailed image. As I recall, from a fairly early stage, Mr. Takamatsu and I repeatedly discussed things along the lines of, "In the end, it'll feel something like this."
>>23896814That's not what I said. I said that the reason it was cancelled is because its entire time bloc was cancelled (which is true), and that before it was moved to that time slot, its viewership was the same as Wing's. Why must you invent these strange strawmen to shadow box? I don't even like Gundam X, I'm just not retarded like you are.>>23896864>>23896872This.
>>23896868No, I know they already had experience directing anime in general, I'm talking about their attempts at directing a Gundam show from start to finish.
>>23896872>This whole discussion here is trying to single out X as a special failure in comparison to the other 90s shows.Because it was, that's why it's so marginalized and unpopular compared to its predecessors.
>>23896944What a shitshow.
>>23897081>its viewership was the same as Wing'It wasn't. We have the numbers. X was lower than Wings, and had significantly worse gunpla sales.
>>23897220>It wasn'tIt was>gunpla was significantly lowerIt wasn't>>23897216Why must you insist on this headcanon being true to not like the show?
>>23897247>to not like the showI like the show, I just hate its delusional fans.
>>23897247>It wasProve it. Show us the numbers.
>>23897220>>23897247X's ratings are comparable with Wing's, but only if you add a bunch of asterisks.Basically, X's ratings average, before timeslot change is 3.5%. Wing's was 4.3%.However, if you skip two episodes that had oddly low ratings (but there were also low ratings for all other shows before/after it, so it seemed to be something general rather than X specific), and skipping the last month before the schedule change (when it was already decided and marketing had died down for a while already), you can bring it to an 4.1% average, on par with G Gundam.This is mainly relevant because although some people like mentioning that X's episode 1 had to highest ratings in the series and that gives the impression ratings were just dropping afterwards, that's not really true. The Lucile episode at the end of the sea arc for example had reached ratings of 5.4. So, it really isn't a case of just the initial episodes carrying that number.
>>23897247because for him this argument is actually about the directors of gundam and not the actual showshe's a mad little pissbaby that fukuda got called out and decided to throw a tantrum shrimple as that
>>23896477Because a lot of American Right Wingers have a Japan Fetish and are delusional on that front. They have no idea how Third Wordlist true Japanese Nationalists are
>>23897320SEED is still better than your favorite Gundam, Xfag.
>>23897353Like to the Point of saying White People are Neanderthalic Non-Humans and they need to stand with the African Human Brothers against the White Death
>>23897353Reinstituting monarchic rule and driving away all immigrants are conservative ideals not left-wing ones. I don't know why you retards think the extreme nationalists are leftists, there can be more than one right-wing ideology.
>>23897369>Reinstituting monarchic rule and driving away all immigrants are conservative idealsMany of them explicitly want the end of capitalism
>>23897377Which ones? The literal Japanese Communist Party is pro-immigration and doesn't do Imperial apologism. The existence of a wealthy ruling class is antithetical to leftist ideology.
>>23897317We have no idea why you are bending over backwards THIS HARD to make Gundam X seem like it was not a failure.
>>23897355>SEED is still better than yourSEED is like 50% horny nonsense and 50% forgettable content. X is campy shitshow that is somehow extremely memorable.
X is an unappreciated classic. Not gonna deny that it flopped though.
>>23897592Yeah, X is so memorable that it has a whole sequel show, some of the most popular characters and Mobile Suits ever, one of the highest-grossing films in the franchise 20 years after the show ended, another movie coming up and a life size statue to immortalize it... oh wait, that's SEED.
I made this thread for this mangaWhy it became anti-X shitpost?
>>23897247>>gunpla was significantly lower>It wasn'tThere was a >20% drop in sales
Americans like X because they want to pretend they could have saved it from those horrible Japanese people with bad taste like they did with Big O. Like they believe the lie that Japan hated Cowboy Bebop.
>>23897704I'd say nowadays X is more popular in Japan than in the West. None of the merch that it's getting this year is intended for the international market.>>23897665That chart doesn't help, since it's not only model kit sales and it doesn't show Wing. The 20% drop in model kit sales comes from a number listed on the Japanese wikipedia. Both charts we have with numbers for the 90s miss exactly the Wing year.
>>23897640All this started due to some dumb anon claiming Turn-A did better in ratings than Gundam X, then some other anon claimed Turn-A only stuck due to Tomino favoritism, while other anon start bashing X too, so the discussion derailed in this direciton.Either way, as far as X vs Turn-A goes, X's average rating before timeslot change - 3.5%Turn-A average rating - 3.0%So, yeah, X had better ratings than Turn-A before it lost its original timeslot and got shortened.
>>23897704This makes a lot of sense.
>>23897722>some other anon claimed Turn-A only stuck due to Tomino favoritism>claimedI thought this was fairly well-known, but in-case anyone isn't familiar with it:>Turn A Gundam was broadcast on Fuji TV and according to many sources, it averaged a TV rating of 2.99%. This is higher than Gundam X‘s average after the timeslot change (1.21%), but lower than Victory Gundam (3.89%), G Gundam (4.11%), and Gundam Wing‘s (4.25%) averages. Fuji TV producers Kenji Shimizu and Yoshihiro Suzuki allowed it to air as-is despite the ratings, because they liked Tomino & Gundam and wanted the director to do as he pleased. These two are the heroes behind why Turn A Gundam was free from sponsor demands and Tomino was allowed to make a quality anime production. Similarly, Sunrise higher-ups were extremely lenient towards Tomino during the show’s production, allowing him to more-or-less operate as he pleased. https://turnafeezy.wordpress.com/2023/04/08/the-history-and-production-of-turn-a-gundam-part-iv-the-era-of-turn-a-gundam/
>>23897704All Gundam fans like X because it's fun.It was never hated anywhere, Japan was just tired of Gundam in 1996 and Eva already changed their mind about mecha genre.Now while it's not a massive hit in popularity, most Gundam fans agree that it's underrated.
Man all I wanted to say is that both X and Turn A got cancelled for disappointing the suits.
>>23897887>most Gundam fans agree that it's underratedIf most Gundam fans actually agreed on that, it wouldn't be underrated anymore. Instead, most Gundam fans don't really care about it that much.
>>23897887This is what you call delusional.
>>23897887No, some people prop it up because they think it comments on Newtypes better than what they've read about Zeta (because they won't watch it) or they think it should have followed Wing on Toonami. Once more people watched it they found it that it was just another unremarkable 90s mecha show.
>>23897923wrong
>>23897355>proving my point>>23897353????????????????
Japanese people, old and new, love X after actually watching ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qavi4df7Y6c
>>23899170XRager is on suicide watch rn
>hates X>hates ZZ>hates Victorywhy is he such a homo
>>23898638You didn't need to reply twice, Xfag.>>23899170A little over 100 people are far from being the entire Japanese Gundam fanbase, delusional faggot. That's not even close to the amount of people who watched it back when it aired and promptly forgot about it.
>>23899250>>23899254Why are you samefagging and making so many posts in a row, Garrod-cocksucking homosexual? Are you trying to bump another one of the threads you took over, you cancerous leech?
>>23899258It doesn't take a genius to know X isn't one of the popular Gundam shows, you're the only delusional nigger who insists otherwise.
>>23899256?????????
>>23899262
>>23899300>>23899296He posted from his phone instead of just using paint to fake the (you) hahahahahah oh nonono this guy is so emotionally attached to X that it physically pains him to see it get called a shitty show that barely anyone likes.
>>23899265"Not being one of the most popular Gundam series" isn't the same as being shit no one cares about.Like it's getting new figures and kits THIS very year, 2026, 30 years after its original airing. Yeah, it's the anniversary, but this wouldn't be happening if there weren't money to be made out of these things.
>>23899423This is a massive cope.
>>23899423>Like it's getting new figures and kits THIS very yearJapanese companies have shown time and time again that is a very low bar to clear. Unless you want to brag about Gundam X kits standing proudly alongside fellow canceled mecha shows like Galvion and Mospeada.
If Gundam X was so popular, then why didn't it do amazingly well on re-runs? If it was as popular as you claim, then popularity would have been very high on re-runs. Then, just like original MSG 0079, Gundam X would have returned. But that did not happen.
>>23899527It's not like we're talking about a X/DX kit though.This year they've got coming Leopard, Virsago and Ashtaron. There was also the Tiffa figure.In that huge NHK popularity poll from a few years ago, X was above Build Fighters, ZZ, G-Reco, AGE...>>23899544>If Gundam X was so popular, then why didn't it do amazingly well on re-runs?I mean I said it's not one of the most popular Gundams, but that doesn't mean it's trash no one cares about. You're jumping from one thing to another completely different one. Nothing else in the entire Gundam series came even close to the MSG reruns. Even Zeta couldn't retain even half of the audience of that run.
>>23899552>that doesn't mean it's trash no one cares aboutNo it doesn't, but sadly that's the case.
>>23899324Why yes I was totally samefagging the whole time except where I stopped to make two posts from my phone in anticipation of being called a samefagMeds
>>23899170I didn't know they had streaming commentary in the mid-'90s.
>>23897595Based Dr. Techcs.
>>23905843Didn't he also do L-Gaim?
>>23906652These bots are getting more and more retarded.
>>23906655Stop wasting thread space with your useless 1 sentence posts that add nothing to thread.
>>23908514Only a bot wouldn't have seen that l-gaim was in that image
>>23897717What's the dotted line supposed to denote?
>>23911137SD Gundam ratings.
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>>23911155I thought V was five.
>>23904703What, no Fa?
>>23904703Sun Iraz Studio?
