>Layzner got canceled>This snoozefest become a franchisehow? it's not fair
Engagement bait thread.
>>23892418The key is world building and having memorable characters. Layzner was one of Sunrise’s many flops that tried to outdo Gundam and while Votoms is in the same category it’s hardly a flop.
>>23892451what world building?Votoms is just another "dystopian future with barbarians who somehow can use technology"Layzner isn't like Gundam at all. you are thinking of Dragonar
>45 years>zero Dougram sequels
Layzner was just a casualty of one of it's sponsors going out of business mid show because it's product turned out to be a fire hazard. A victim of circumstance
>>23892457>dystopian future with barbarians who somehow can use technologyleave a thumbs down on the youtube video you watched before pretending to have seen the show, because it's not like this at all>>23894748was going to post this. at least it makes for a funny story
>>23894552It really is a shame. Dougram was pretty successful, IIRC, it had to be to run a whole 75 episodes. But aside from the new manga from the Gundam Thunderbolt guy I don't think they went any further with it.
>>23894748It turns out the deadly oil heaters weren't responsible for this (it was too early) but the fact Sanyo failed to sell enough VCRs in their bid to enter the home theater market.
>>23894552Galvion had it pretty awful too, even some completed but unvoiced and unaired episodes that are likely long trashed.
>>23892457>Dystopian future with barbarians who somehow can use technologyWhy are you describing Layzner?
>>23894818I think there could be a lot of fun making OC squads using that papercraft book
>>23892418Layzner's first half is amazing. The the second half happens. Ru Cain and some other stuff hard carry the second half, but it really misses the point of what made the first part one great. Votoms is consistently better than Layzner, and i say it as someone that actually liked it.
>>23894552You did get a manga by Otagaki
>>23895044>It turns out the deadly oil heaters weren't responsible for this (it was too early) but the fact Sanyo failed to sell enough VCRs in their bid to enter the home theater market.Is there a source on Sanyo trying and failing to sell VCR's around Layzner's run?
>>23895191This thread from a former magazine editor trying to piece things together because it seemed like the Layzner kits were selling well enough. https://xcancel.com/Alien_anvil/status/1755550097088360797
>>23895052You'd be surprised what Toei hangs onto. A an episode of Voltron (not Golion, Voltron they animated a season's worth of original episodes for it) that completely slipped through the cracks and wasn't voiced, but was scored and otherwise completed ended up being found and posted online a while back
>>23895216Depends if MIC held onto anything from Galvion, since the original studio went out of business and prevented them from completing it in OAV or movie form. That's pretty neat though.Maybe someday someone will leak the other Lupin VIII episodes TMS completed but hadn't done the voice track for. Toei also had Sarutobi Ecchan episodes 27-29 they advertised in reel rental catalogs, but have never been unearthed.
>>23895188I've seen some Japanese people reminiscing about Layzner and even back then they saw the second half as an obvious attempt to cash in on Hokuto no Ken's popularity.
>>23894800>>23895076>defending a show without watching it???
>>23894552We got BattleTech, kinda.
>>23895360That looks like modern day Paris.
>>23895382God help me this is unironically what got me into Battletech. I never paid much attention to it aside from offhandedly until someone told me the Shadowhawk was based on the Dougram and I figured the strategy game was as close as I could get to a Dougram game.
Layzner was a snoozefest though
>>23895484Layzner had a strong story to tell.Votoms is just 1 guy who keeps running from cops because he saw a perfect soldier boobs, gets caught, then his friends who keep saying they don't want to save him change minds then save him anyway, repeat
>>23895386t. sun-fearing cousinfucker Am*rican who has never left the flyover podunk shithole he calls home
>>23895197Thanks. All the more reason why Layzner needs a revival because I find it shameful Ryosuke Takahashi didn't get to tell the story he wanted to tell with Layzner due to how arrogant Bandai-Sunrise were about what they can do to earn more money.
You can't directly compare the two because one was made for Takara and the other for Bandai. >>23895807>Layzner had a strong story to tell.Racism against halfbreeds and AI is bad. Ripped straight from today's headlines.
>>23896331>Layzner>half-blood alien/Earthling risks his to make peace between two planets>gets misunderstood and treated like an enemy by both sides>Earthlings lose, then it becomes a fight to regain freedom>turns out both planets share ancestry>Votoms>dude saw a capsule with a naked woman>becomes obsessed>police wants to kill him for seeing her>he escapes, gets caught, escape, gets caught, repeatI didn't finish Votoms yet, but it's just aimless and repetitive
>>23896536The attention span of zoomers is brief indeed.
>>23896581Everyone you don't like is a zoomer.
>>23896581I'm 34. Try again
>>23896581Why are you so obsessed with Gen Z? Shut the fuck up. I have the word zoomer filtered at this point.
>>23896599>>23896612>>23896618>Three organic separate posts?
>>23896620Yeah, sure, everyone you don't like is a zoomer who just spams, and everyone who disagrees with you bots the board. How fucking sad.
>>23896599>>23896612>>23896618>>23896622Entró la balubi.
>>23896624I don't speak Spanish and I don't get it. I'm sorry.
>>23896624Entró la perra llorica que se cree más vieja de lo que en realidad es.
>>23895188> but it really misses the point of what made the first part one great. so it missed nothing?
>>23896736Uh oh marronazo alert.
I have no idea what is happening, but I am so glad it isn't happening in broken English.
this board is so hilarious because it's the only place on the entire planet where you can see these low iq twitter style bait posts being made about such niche topics
>>23896620>>23896624
>>23897046Besides, you know, twitter and other social media.
>>23896922>el argensimio se cree un blanco europeoTípico.
>>23892418Scope Dog toys sold really really really well.
>>23895474I recall MW2 (PC) having a way to unlock platforms you can't normally use when playing Trials of Grievance mode, among them a BattleMaster IIC (I trust you already know what that was originally). Apparently trying to use it crashes the game without a patch to unbreak it, but for some reason I seem to recall having played it without that problem way back in the day.
>>23899058Forget it, kid. The thread's over.
>>23900333Bot post.
>>23900358Bot post.
>>23896620QUALITY placement of the mouth there.
>>23897046I just saw one in /h/A fucking porn board where you talk about masturbation materialSome people are that lonely
>>23903291Retard.
>>23894552Dougram's ending was perfect for a spinoff, would've been cool to see how Deloyer's "independence" ended up. Though I wouldn't want to see Crinn, he had a good ending.
>>23896536>I didn't finish Votoms yetwe can tell
>>23892418Scopedogs and friends are more marketable
>>23904752Seriously, we need the VOTOMS TV series, VOTOMS: Case Irvine, and VOTOMS Finder in the same Super Robot Wars game already.
>>23906022Why?
>>23895813common euro spergout
>>23894818>75 episodesWow, that's 1.5 seasons!
>>23910816>what is a cour
>>23907475We had the original Mobile Suit Gundam, Mobile Suit Z Gundam, Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ, and Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack in one game (Super Robot Wars GC) and that game kept to One Year War.Why not do the same by having Case Irvine and Finder take place in a hypothetical game primarily using the VOTOMS TV series?
>>23911628Votoms isn't anywhere near the money maker. I'm guessing Code Pizza Butt makes more so there's more representation.
>>23895835They already novelized it
>>23895835Lazy Nerd is so lame and looks ugly compared to Dragonnar and Galiant. I want them or Valverave to return. Or, you know, fucking GORG
>>23911469That anything like a cours?
>>23912287Assuming he didn't mean coeur.
>>23892418I don't think it's a snoozefest, but I think the show is 99% padding. The actual story the show wants to tell would be better suited to a 3 episode OVA.You can go an entire story arc in Votoms with basically nothing of consequence happening. The plot of the whole show would fit on an index card. It can make for a very frustrating viewing experience.
>>23913626>I don't think it's a snoozefest, but I think the show is 99% padding. The actual story the show wants to tell would be better suited to a 3 episode OVA.I may like VOTOMS more so than Gundam, but I do believe it too squandered its 52 episodes. We could have used the Uoodo arc to explain what the Gilgamesh Confederation stood for and the Sunsa arc for the Balarant Union.
>>23892418Your test levels are too low to appreciate it.
>>23913626You just described most of Layzner. Does it make you mad Takahashi was going to reuse the giant computer plot from Votoms?
>>23913794I don't think Ryosuke Takahashi has ever made a show that didn't shit the bed in one way or another. But, I haven't seen Flag, or some of his non-mecha shows. Maybe there's a flawless gem out there. I haven't found it.
>>23914030Gasaraki is a flawless gem.
>>23915684Oh God Garasaki just had so many incredible moments that you sit back and go "whoa".
>>23914030There was some program that was meant to be a sequel or followup to VOTOMS that he and Shioyama worked on, but that Sunrise has never shared stuff on. Awfully curious how that would've been.
>>23904752The thumbnail looked like a scopedog chugging a beverage.
>>23896536>half-bloodAnemia?
>>23895474>in this planetBut he's on the surface!
When does Layzner get good?
>>23924117It isn't why do you think a new sponsor didn't step up?
>>23924289Care to rephrase that with unbutchered grammar?
>>23924530>internet message board>correct grammarChoose one.
>>23925473The two aren't mandated to be mutually exclusive.
>>23895190Otagaki or Araki?
Just finished it. Very very good show overall. Some things about the last episode were left vague or weren't delved much into.>Chirico's motivation for destroying Wiseman>How did him and Fyana survive the explosion and wind up in the cyro chamber a year later when it was big enough to take out all of Quaint and the Assembly
>>23924289Another sponsor didn't step in because anime gets ended prematurely all the time and there's no point to paying for 13 more weeks of air time for a show that almost hit its third cour. Even if the model kits were selling well enough, Bandai was just going to move on to another show in a few months regardless.
>>23928326>Chirico's motivation for destroying Wisemanread
>>23892451Since when was Fyana's wig blond?
>>23928326>>How did him
>>23928326I didn't know Chirico was a JoJo.
>>23892457>Barbarian>DystopianLol what? Votoms universe is super advanced, human achieved interstellar traveling and almost all of AT pilots are soldiers in tidy uniform. And don't let me bring up the super advanced AI. It is a gritty mecha show, not anime Mad Max.
>>23895360>Barbarian>Fight in space and terraform planets billions of lightyear away from EarthDamn, these savages are good.
>>23931454>billions of lightyear
>>23931432>not anime Mad MaxLet me direct your attention to >>23895360.
>>23934185Let me direct your attention to what the characters look like most of the time
>>23895360They are a biker gang, not medieval barbarians. Human in Votoms are either dress like a Star Trek reject or a Vietnamese farmer depends on their position in the society.
>Average AI slop consumer
Why do they say Mad Max when Violence Jack did it first?
>>23934634Yes, and?
>>23934658>They are a biker gang, not medieval barbariansI don't have the cap but Coconna explicitly states otherwise.
>>23935371Holy shit. You couldn't have outed yourself as an ESL any more than you just did.
>>23935669How the sod did you get that as your takeaway?
>>23934661His neck is thicker than his head!
>>23935669He's right though.
21 episodes inI still don't understand what's the point of this show.It has no grand plot or a moral story on progress. The characters are shallow and boring. It's just random daily life of Chirico and his bad luck.Also if normal hand guns can penetrate the robots's paper thin armor, why don't they just use guns instead of ATs?
>>23895386Nah, too clean and not enough blacks / muslims.>>23895813Cuck-lander mad>>23938038You're not even halfway in yet and the first half of the show doesn't even get into the real backstory yet. The first half is all developing the cast and setup for the second half. >why don't they just use gunsFor the same reason that gun-trucks exist despite small arms fire penetrating those, and tanks exist despite anti-materiel weapons penetrating their weakpoints, and anti-tank weapons taking them out, etc. Speed, armor and firepower. Vehicles don't need to be invulnerable to do their job.
>>23938083>replying to a month-old postNo, anon: (You) are the mad I'm afraid.
>>23938834>He's making fun of eurofags he must be madlol, copeIt's one of the national pastimes, laughing at yuroserfs. When you grow some balls and start repelling invaders I'll stop laughing at you
>>23937617With all the woman haters on this site I'm surprised the gang rape wasn't discussed more.
>>23938947I never thought that those bikers got that far with Coconna and would have had no reason to when she told them about the raid on Military Police headquarters to steal that jijirium.
>>23936465>>23937617Putting aside the fact the translator chose that word, what planet are you from where you don't understand synonyms or a figure of speech? People get called barbarians all the time without implying they're unwashed Gothic hordes looking to sack Greek cities. The line could have been "thugs" and it'd still make sense. >>23938998It's more implied she escaped by the skin of her teeth because this is still a TV anime. Look at how censored Fist of the North Star was compared to the manga.
>>23939889>Look at how censored Fist of the North Star was compared to the manga.Do tell.
>>23931454Love Fatty. Simple as.
