It's honestly not a bad design
>>23899085Nobody is going to buy your shitty game. Especially at full price
>>23899123You can be certain many people will.
>>23899085This isn't a bad gundam design, it's a bad mecha design in general. Total mess of random textures, shapes, details, etc. Can't even tell where some forms start and others begin.The V-fin is also tiny as hell, as if it's ashamed to be a Gundam and exhibit features that are too "anime" styled.
>>23899134>Total mess of random textures, shapes, detailsYou are just listing random words, of it had a better, more distinct color scheme I think most "issues" would go away, but the design is solid.
>>23899085Its an Armored Core trying to be a Gundam.
>>23899166I fucking wishmore like dogshit trying to be gundam
>>23899085It's a great design. It's about time we get a Gundam that looks like an actual machine of war instead of some plastic samurai.
>>23899085The thing really just needs a more prominent v fin like maybe lengthen it a bit more and it'd be solid.
>>23899085I don't even care if the design is good or not. It's that the gameplay looks like the same sort of weightless 3rd person hack&slash as DxM.
>>23899175but that's unironically what it looks like? have you see n the trailer? it moves like a plastic samurai too... instead of a heavy machine of war. >>23899193this
>>23899085>make vanquish>put a v-fin on it>call it a day
I'm warmly waiting for Bandai to finally announce that this and Alyzeus were AI generated.
>>23899085people really just don't understand art: the thread
>>23899193Imagine.We could have had a proper gundam simulator that tried to recreate combat tropes from the anime/s as faithfully as possible so it actually feels like gundam.Instead we got generic third person actionsloppa #572 because 'lets just copy what's already popular, slap a V-fin on it, and call it gundam!'Why bother making something unique and interesting when we can churn out a shitty copy of stuff that already exists, right?
>>23899232Alyzeus was at least interesting in the way watching an methhead take apart and then reassemble a dvd player is. That thing in the op isn’t anything
>>23899301>guy that pirates all his anime, doesn't buy any gunplay and hates anything that doesn't look like MS 08th team: wow bandai how could you betray your fan base like this?
>>23899085If they are going to add that many detail, it's better if they made the design a bit more boxy instead of having lots of smooth round parts. Smooth round parts and overtly detailed design doesn't mesh very well. The chest area is especially ugly. Head is fine.
The problem is there is no negative space left on the entire body, and thus, no focal point with a recognizable distinct shape to define it in your mind. When you think of OG Gundam, the first thing that stands out is the two prominent squares on the torso. For Wing Gundam, it's the green jewel in the chest. God Gundam has the huge double V-fin and the gold fairing on the chest.This thing has no bold, prominent features at all. Even the football chinstrap just reminds of EZ-8 instead. Totally lacking color just adds to the problem of nothing standing out.
>>23899320holy cope and projection
>>23899085Yes it is
>>23899085its honestly horrible and this maximalist nonsense needs to die. its inherently bad when artists mindlessly copy shapes they saw on real vehicles to fill space when they cant make two parts match up right and sacrifice the entire silhouette
>>23899362>no focal point with a recognizable distinct shape to define it in your mindIt's a videogame.
>>23899085It's a nothing design, I feel nothing upon looking at it.
>>23899175found the retardimagine thinking any of that looks realimagine thinking even if that was realistic they wouldn't put some kind of armour or cladding over top of all that you wanna know what that boxy armour would look like? probably regular UC designs kek
>>23899175This thing looks like a toy.>>23899301So the normal for a licensed gundam game?
>>23899374That doesn't even make sense, even video game characters need memorable designs if you want the player to actually give a fuck.
>>23899085make the game play look interesting and have me fighting in a near future solar system if you want me to buy it simple as
>>23899362I think they designed it like this way to make it easier to customization.
>>23899386>if you want the player to actually give a fuckNo that's gameplay.
>>23899398nah, want me to buy the product, deliver both
>>23899394That assumes there is customization. Could just as easily be a game where the most you can do is swap your weapon load out(or god forbid, ability buttons).
>>23899394I think you need to look at the history of Gundam games when it's obvious your first and only mecha game was AC6
>>23899414My first Gundam game was Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2 on PS2 and I also play Gundam Breaker 4. I never play AC6 or any AC games
>>23899398You need fantastic gameplay to carry bad aesthetics and this game will not have that.
>>23899426Then you should be aware that Breakers and MS Saga are the only Gundam games with customization beyond alternate colors. That's two series in a sea of like 300 games. There is near zero chance for customization beyond skins of real Gundams from the premium shop.
>>23899427>bad aestheticsAgain, the design is not that bad.
>>23899431It is though. You are alone.
>>23899085I hate this approach to mecha design>Lets take a basic cliche humanoid mecha and add a lot of pointless detail to it!Lazy af
>>23899432Nah it's fine, but if you want to believe you have to follow the popular opinion that's okay.
>>23899431>>23899442delusional retard, are you the same guy as the guxfag who insists everyone secretly agrees with him?
>>23899429>Then you should be aware that Breakers and MS Saga are the only Gundam games with customization beyond alternate colors.This isn't true, games like MSGO, UCGO, GBO2, MS Sensen 0079, the early VS games had things like weapon swaps, decals and colorsI think people are mostly assuming you change loadouts and can color the MS in this game, considering the fact that its probably the only playable MS there is a chance of either cosmetic upgrades or the suit itself changing through the plot
>>23899447>weapon swaps, decals and colorsAgain,>>23899429>customization beyond alternate colorsRetard is clearly talking about AC style part swapping, which isn't going to happen. This is going to be a character action game with a robot skin.
Reiwa is shaping up to be the grimest era for Gundam
>>23899458Weapon swaps are>>customization beyond alternate colorsanon
>>23899431>>23899398t. blast haver
>>23899085Looks like a chink knock-off of the Sinanju Stein
>>23899085strangely soft looking gundam?
>>23899458>>23899429The Gundam AGE games did it
>>23899446Yeah anyone who isn't a jaded faggot constantly complaining is the same person.
>>23899478last (you) from me
>>23899478>jaded faggotokay retard, aint that the exact same language you use to defend qux too?
>>23899483>qux out of nowhereSo you admit you are just a jaded faggot who hates everything?
>>23899486its okay to demand more before handing over your money to billion dollar companies lmao kill yourself dude
>don't think, enjoy brand product and get excited for next brand product
DUDE, IT'S GOOD BECAUSE UHH... I'M A CONTRARIAN!
>23899486simply denounce g-cucks and there will be an end to this madness
>>23899493>handing over your moneyShow any money you've spent in mecha stuff.
>>23899502faggot, we're on a gunpla board
>quxtard projecting because he knows hes a touristyou love to see it
>>23899483
>>23899503So post some gunpla then, I'm sure you got a zaku or two lying around your room.
>>23899509This is really good. Did you make this? Is this actual OC?
>>23899502>show me your toys!!!!!!uh... no... I dont need to photograph video games and model kits to prove that consumers are allowed to reject a product for being low quality slop>>23899507you can tell hes a tourist because of his zoomer obsession with "supporting the hecking artists and industry just cause because okay!!!!"
Do you guys have any princples of design, or are you just saying something is good or bad based on a gut feeling and if you like it or not?
>>23899517both
>>23899509wow you like that shit? thats sad
>>23899518Okay, what makes a good design to you? Color palette choice? Proportions? Do you like less is more?
>>23899517See>>23899362
>>23899509Kek saved.
>>23899517it cant really be removed from its context when talking about fictional designs can it?what is useful or unobtrusive or as little as possible in a fictional world with a different history and technology level?
why are cucksfags still shilling the shows over the AU is dead it cant be saved
>>23899525Well thats kind of the process of design itself, isnt it? You have to take the setting into consideration as if it was real
>>23899517I like it because it looks like a cool robot I'd be interested in piloting, that's all. A better color scheme to accentuate and make it easier on the eyes would be preferable but I'm waiting until the game comes out or more images are shown to get a final verdict on it, but from what little has been shown I don't think it's a bad fit for the kind of game, setting and tone it seems to be going for.
>>23899525when telling a story you can have intentionally ugly or imperfect designs for narrative reasons and they can resinate with people for narrative reasons but a perfect iconic design will always be the most popular and most marketable
>if you hate rogue orbit you are gcuck fans!why? both are horrendous
>>23899530to some extent but artists are also limited, they aren't necessarily engineers or military historians and can lose sight of making something recognizable and evocative
Is this troll a bot or something? Why did he get his narrative twisted backwards all of a sudden?
>>23899534brother literally the only person here defending RO is a quxfag
>>23899534You got it backwards. Gcucks are the ones who simp for subversive, intentionally ugly designs because they think it scores some W for them if it offends their imaginary political enemies
>>23899536always becomes a problem when uniformed artist starts coping ricer car parts and slapping them on whats supposed to be some super advanced future tank or robot because they didnt know to design and communicate whatever functions they imagined the parts and vehicle to havehaving everything look like it was designed by apple because FUTURE is also a problem but I dont see people rushing to call that gritty or real or superior in the same way greebleshit is >>23899534are you just the Gcuck intentionally trying to confuse people now because youre having a little tantrum?
>>23899512So you admit you don't spend any money on mecha?
>>23899562When did being a good goy slop slurper become a virtue in your head?
>>23899085Mostly I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think it's hilarious that the Haro doesn't fit the design aesthetic of the rest of the mechanical designs at all, and sticks out like a sore thumb. Granted that happened in 00s to. Also arguably seed.
>>23899562real desperate to go that far back huh?I dont spend money on Eva gundam edition nohow about you prove you liked anything before qux
>>23899562>support the hecking artists and consume le slopthis shit is so reddit
Who is the designer?Gundam has ALWAYS been very proud of its mecha designers and never hesitated to name them, so it's very telling if they prefer to keep that quiet this time.I would believe this has been AI generated from top to bottom.
>>23899566The industry doesn't run on vibes, if you want to see change then vote with your wallet.
>>23899578you support slopwe dontdoes that clear things up then?
>>23899577There's very little info on anything desu.
>>23899580You don't support anything because you are here just to complain endlessly.>slopIt's good to know you are just a tourist.
>>23899577>>23899582The project JUST got announced, you'll learn more later like usual
>>23899585The very first thing we knew about OO, Gcucks, IBO, and Witch was the designer.
>>23899585Yeah but they’re usually not shy about announcing the mech and character designers with the 1st announcement
>>23899578I like the idea that me buying kits from shows that aired in the 90s is going to ever ever compete with the massive amount of money generated from mobile games in chinabandai doesnt give a fuck about us and no YOU can not vote with your wallet and neither can I because WE are meaningless compared to other markets
>>23899584>you are here just to complain endlesslycry me a river faggot. qux is dogshit, this new slop is dogshit, and your constant mixture of bitching and shilling isnt convincing anyone, see you in a couple months when this has flopped horribly and youre here defending the next horrible project.PS: you excited for qux season 2 which you faggots constantly said was gonna be announced any second because of how amazing the first season was
>the pokèmon fan continues to call everyone else a tourist
>>23899586>>23899588The first thing we knew about IBO was the name of the show and the silhouette of Barbatos, WFM was announced at the Gundam Conference and as far as I know we only saw the logo
>>23899590That’s a real pathetic way to go about your life my dude.
>>23899577It's by Yeong-tae Wam Puh
>>23899586GQuuuuuuX came from a leak.
>>23899590I already knew you were a jaded faggot you didn't need to double down.
>stop complaining just consume slop and wait to consume next slop no matter how bad it looks because ummmm jaded unc or something hand over your money!!!!
>>23899607if I buy what I like and dont mindlessly consume slop for the sake of it thats pathetic?you got your head screwed on backwards boy>>23899612no I like new stuff all the time, I just dont like shitty products that are obvious crash grabs or shows about little girls and their emotions>>23899600never thought about it before but pokeslop artstyle would attract a bunch of mindless consumers who are used to defending a product that keeps getting worse from a company that doesnt give a fuck about them
>>23899612>stop being so hecking jaded and consume the slop its called being a decent human being!!!!
>>23899577>Who is the designer?Mr. Chin Xiao Chong
If there is a designer he wont be named because he will be eviscerated by the public
>>23899607>>23899612relax you faggots can still goon to Shinji or Shuji or whatever the fuck his name is even if g-cucked is dead and a comical flop of a series
>>23899085not my precious gungas
>>23899617> and no YOU can not vote with your wallet and neither can I because WE are meaningless compared to other markets>defeatist cuck trying to sound toughLol
Will Gundam Helix be the only Gundam in the game or there will be upgrade Gundam or even antagonist Gundam control by alien
>>23899617>if I buy what I likeBut you don't buy anything.
>>23899630>defeatistno its just realistic>trying to sound toughnigga what? do you even know what that means? are you ESL? that might explain some stuff
>>23899632There'll be ton of MS I bet.
>>23899623are you this new to the gundam franchise?
>>23899634>consume the slop now to prove your loyalty to a company that hates you
>>23899636Buying useless shit and spending money carelessly is how thirdies flex on each other, they dont understand that real Humans dont see that as respectable
>>23899638no but you clearly are the design is horrific and no amount of shilling will change that
>>23899642our Indian friend seems to not understand that me buying models that have been sitting in a shop for a decade for shows that concluded in the last century is not what they mean when they say "vote with your wallet" and ironically not consuming cash grab slop or little girl shows branded as gundam actually is voting with your wallet
>>23899643>shillingI don't think you understand what that means but I wouldn't expect a crossboarder to understand any of the words he uses.
>>23899645You don't buy anything though, stop pretending.
>the pokètranny cries out as xi/xir as they call you a tourist
Apologize to this Gundam.
It’s bad as a flagship design:-No recognizable Gundam traits in the silhouette-No memorable shapes or forms-Heavy-looking, looks like late game MonHun armor with a space theme-Visually indistinct from background structures (do cars look like the garage, or the road? Do jets look indistinct from a carrier) -Rounded shapes and surface details make it seem hard to move without armor bits grating against each other -Crazy levels of surface detail that don’t make much sense mechanically. Why do the armor plates on the legs have raised parts and reliefs? What is going on with the chest? Why is the chest not armored and made of 3 distinct vertical slices on each side? So many exposed bolts! What the fuck is going on with the back? What are the things sticking out from the back? The only explanation I can come up with mentally is that it is an unfinished prototype you build armor for and customize later. It seems to be a rogue like monster hunter clone, going off the name the retarded nothing of “find me and stop THE DARKNESS” plot and the emphasis on monster hunting
>>23899645Yeah, as if there were some better current alternative you could buy to 'vote' on. I just bought a set of the Gaia Gear novels. You think Bandai cares? They gonna make a GG anime now? Tomino doesnt even care. But I'd sooner give my money to a reseller with taste than a corpo shitting out garbage just because they have the IP rights.
>>23899646are you implying that a word like shill or shilling has radically different meanings depending on the board because im pretty sure thats a fucking retarded thing to say>>23899651even an eva is better than maximalist AI-esque dogshit, you got me there >>23899653saar real gquuuuuuuux fist copy good price my friend real gundam fan fuck you bloody saar
>>23899652>Heavy-lookingThis isn't a bad thing. I agree with the rest.
>>23899649why do I need to buy something to call you a faggot for liking a shitty show about little girls and their feelings and lust over a bad boy? riddle me that you fuckin queer
>>23899652>heavy lookingto me it looks like its made of foam or pillows reminds me of the michelin man
>>23899175This doens't even look like an actual machine. It's just a mess of greebles. Real machines are much more streamlined. The For the Barrel designs are much more realistic than this mess.
>>23899664
>>23899636>niggaClassic “tuff” whiteboi move
>>23899659So you are gonna keep pretending?
>>23899669no its not its comparable to saying bro or dude or something but thank you for once again demonstrating you have something wrong with you
>>23899664>Real machinesWell good thing it's a videogame.
>>23899671anon I simply will not be buying evangelion models you can stop trying to convince me
>>23899674Who said anything about evangelion? You seem a bit obsessed.
>>23899675you keep defending eva and demanding I buy a gundam edition evangelion model so?
It is possible we are being witnesses to the first case of someone being molested by a mecha show.
>consume slop>consume the slop to be cool like us always thought the people talking about shills were schizos but its just too pathetic and too blatant at this point
>>23899685Hot. I hope anon cried during
>>23899688you must ask yourself, isnt it odd they always love "new thing" regardless of what it is>>23899690you will never be a woman, you will never be an anime girl, please leave the women restroom now sir
>>23899688Astroturfing is not a secret or a conspiracy theory anon. Marketing agencies list it on their services.
>>23899694the game is being shilled but companies wouldn't fork over money for something that failed so miserably its just trannies who have to defend pokèslop at all costs
>trannies openly posting about how they want to be rapedthis can not be real this has to be some kind of experimental art display
>>23899664these designers seem to see tools, spare tracks, antenna, additive armour, field modifications, etc and not have any idea what that stuff is or does so they just believe realism = random shitevery game really should have at least one guy who's into guns and one guy who's into military history to come and just give this stuff a casual look over
>>23899658It is a problem considering how it moves like it’s fucking Naruto, the flips and spins it does
>>23899085what is the purpose of any of those details. they dont even begin to resemble something you could explain away
>>23899696>AstroturfingIronic.
>>23899707heavy mech moving fast should be intimidating and cary an insane sense of power and the forces involved in that, enemies and the environment should react accordingly the problem is they dont
>things should be like this and I don't like anything that is differentHow does one go about their day living with such an autistic mindset?
>>23899696the people defending this shit never actually explain themselves. that tells me everything I need to know
>>23899742they never really discuss stuff or go back and forth with one another in any way its just posts about how its the best ever and everyone needs to get it
He got molested so hard he has to reply to himself in introspection, it's just like one of my Evangelion episodes!
>still cant defend the abysmal trailer hmmm interesting
>>23899085Even if you paint over all the surface greeble it's still an incoherent mess of armor blobs slapped together with no rhyme or reasons adding up to to forgettable silhouette of a bulky dude.
>>23899085looks like its got one of those tard helmets on
>>23899783You would know.
>>23899783same thing on the Netflix gundam, wonder if they thought this shit would be big in the west
>>23899651Ugly as sin but I can see the vision, a bunch of neat details, there is a cool design buried here somewhere. Qcuck is ugly but has personality. OP slop is just bland kind of ugly.
>>23899787>japs think americans are retardedThey are not wrong.
Nope, still garbage
>>23899916obviously
>>23899916I like it.
>>23899916An attempt was made
>>23899673This is the argument you're making
>>23900106You don't understand my argument or the image's.
>>23899085It looks like made by a committee of people who's goal was to make something the most "generic looking" to attract people who don't have interest in animeEven the Netflix thing had more recognizable design.
>>23899673>It looks like a actual war machine!>No it doesn't.>Well uhm this is a video game so that's okay.
>>23900149hes some neurotic autist who obsessed with everyone accepting whatever the newest thing ishe has absolutely no shame and just humiliates himself in every thread its pretty funny
Ah, a familiar aesthetic.
>>23900160>twitter meme
>>23900160I would of preferred that, at least they didn't give it a puny baby v-fin.
>>23900160lunar chineseium alloy >>23900167its one of the worst designs I have no idea how it was approved
>>23900165>twitter response
Why do people keep leaning into realism to defend this thing? Did they not see the gameplay?
>>23899085looks like Chinese bootleg with all the greebles
>>23900187ai trained on starwars tried to generate a gundam
>>23899085AI if it designed an Armored Core game.It is only Gundam in name.
Can someone tell me why people are freaking out over the fact that people don't like this design or fighting aliens?Gundam franchise has had fights over shit like the Turn A design which is much closer to a traditional design and constant arguments about every single show in existence?Are these new fans coming in from newer shows like IBO/Witch from Mercury or something or is it just toxic positivity mixed with consumerism?
>>23901233Same shit you get with most video games these days, All criticism of a product someone likes is deemed "toxic". Look at any video game with a mixed player reception like marathon to see what i mean.
>>23901233>people are freaking out over the fact that people don't like this designWhere?
>>23901247NTA but probably reddit.
>>23901247Twitter and Reddit, but also here on 4chan when the trailer dropped. Lot of arguments on what counts as a Gundam design and arguments about aliens.
>>23901250>>23901255Fuck right off then, this isn't your friend group simulator to talk about unrelated shit only you know about.
>>239012574chan has archives for boards and the other sites are public. Not like I'm asking about discord drama I was just wondering where all the anger is coming from when Gundam fans argue about everything
>>23901262So ask them? How the fuck should I know what retards on reddit are thinking?
>>23901257>My only knowledge of this game comes from this thread so you can't talk about stuff from outside this threadFuck off retard, there was a full on meltdown on /v/ from tards getting mad about "AU disrespect" just because you're retarded doesn't mean everybody in the thread has to be.
>>23901262Paid shills They were identified too easily recently by their "having a blast!!!" script reading, and their banal positivity hype-threads have been rejected here, so they have switched tactics to trying to shame, bully and drown out 4chan (lel) into not criticizing New Product because the derision from here spreads across the whole of the internet and reflects in sales.
>>23901266They he didn't ask you, he asked other people that might know. You are not the only person in this thread you massive spaz.
>>23901269>>23901271>please talk about reddit and /v/Fuck off, if you have an opinion just say it.
>>239012704chan is bleeding out users, /m/ is a ghost town of people telling each other to shut up, shills do come here yeah but it doesn't cascade into the other sites let alone the entire internet/v/ might be a different story since it still has high traffic but nothing compared to what it had 5 to 10 years ago
>>23901275My opinion is that you are retarded, if you don't want people discussing peoples reaction to a game don't come into a thread about the fucking game. Make your own public forum with only you in in.
>>239012795 to 10 years ago the traffic was still mostly bots across the whole site, just like all social media.The point being, that the few people engaging with each other here are more influential than you realize, which is why shills are sent here. History has always been made by just a handful of motivated people, not the unwashed masses.
My question is because I don't talk about Gundam much anymore because there isn't much to talk about old series wise and I'm not a big fan of the more recent stuff so I was curious if there was s culture change regarding Gundam. Asking a specialized board filled with only enfranchised people is the logical place to ask
>>23901285>please ohhh please meta post about reddit
>>23901289Bro, 4chan IS the unwashed masses.
>>23901299Kek, literally.
>>23901299Comparatively speaking, it's still less unwashed than most other sites. But you also aren't wrong.
>>23901293>Retard doesn't know what a meta post isclassic, go apply to be a janny if you give that much of a shit.
>>23901299No, 4chan is a handful of autists and super autists arguing with a thousand bots and shills on the daily. Every counter-culture "cool" sentiment and stance from the last 15 years stemmed from here and even though the influence has waned, the landscape has been altered permanently to the critical, sardonic and dismissive attitude 4chan radiated. Only in highly moderated corpo safe spaces like reddit can they try to continue the old charade that everything (or anything) new is good.The very fact that you can express your true opinion here without fear of (astroturfed) lynch mobs automatically elevates this place above every other platform for useful gauging of public sentiment, which is why the spooks also have their boys trawling here daily. It's like one of those anonymous work complaint forms, except for the whole of society.
>>23901311>you can express your true opinion here without fear of (astroturfed) lynch mobsyeah unless you dare want to talk about something positively, WfM was seen somewhat positively from the prologue (despite the looming factor of having a female lead) but that quickly turned sour when the board was being constantly spammed with new and useless threads while it was airing. The following Gundam products got shit on hard in every thread and still do for seemingly no reason, with some really dedicated to hating particular ones.
>>23901315Yeah, welcome to 4chan.
>>23901315>The following Gundam products got shit on hard in every thread and still do for seemingly no reason, with some really dedicated to hating particular ones.That part is the norm for Gundam though as people always got mad if you liked a series they didn't
>>23901255>and arguments about aliensAliens are a worrying sign because it's an indication of Bandai just whoring the IP out to some rando shovelware devs to slap the bare minimum of Gundam iconography onto some generic action game an print some free money.All things considered, Bamco had shown some restraint over the years when it comes to raping a long-running IP and unleashing floodgate of franchised gundam-in-just-a-name turboslop would be unfathomably fucked up.
>>23901325Gundam is not a sacred cow, it's about time you accept that fact.
>>23901325We had DG Cells as the closet, but that was still a human centric conflict. I think less people would be angry if the designs were more recognizable and didn't look like they shoved Gundam on a to an unrelated game.Right now it just looks you will be fighting robot dragons and scorpions in some Chinese mech game
The 00 movie was also a human centric story and the aliens didn't look like fantasy shit.I know nothing about the manga and only knows it exists now because it is used as a gotcha despite it being brand new
>>23901329It's an established brand that is expected to deliver certain level of quality.
>>23901335>>23901337The game isn't out yet, we know basically nothing about the story but you are preemptively shitting yourself already.
>>23901343Nobody is shitting anything. People are having a pretty civil discussion.
Fuck reddit and fuck their actionslop muh epic heckin kaiju battle shit
>>23901345Aee this is somebody shitting themselves.
>>23901329Nothing is sacred to the soulless
>>23901341>It's an established brand that is expected to deliver certain level of quality