How come bits and funnels can do a lot of damage and slice a MS in half.Meanwhile Balls, which are a lot bigger, can't do shit.
>>23901322Shit comes from the ass, not the balls.
>>23901322Balls are like those old cannons with wagon wheelsThey pack a punch but fuck you actually have to hit somethingFunnels are basically mind controlled flying glocksIt seems like the average viewer is really underestimating just how bullshit fighting against a newtype is. Try putting yourself in the shoes of a soldier rolling around a cannon and blindly firing a musket into a dusty battlefield and then you see a bunch of sentient flying swords coming your way
>>23901355>mind controlled flying glocksheh
>>23901322Balls didn't have beam weapons like funnels and bits. By the time E-PACs were standard, any other MS is more cost efficient to deploy.
>>23901322>Balls, which are a lot biggerBalls also need a cockpit and life support. Funnels and bits don't. They're a small reactor or battery, a few thrusters, and a weapon.
>>23901322>which are a lot biggerThat's the entire fucking cause of the issue, dummy. Because Balls are larger and have more mass, they're less agile and far easier to shoot down. The thing that makes bits and funnels dangerous is that they're extremely small and can boost and twist and turn on a dime, in no small part due to not having to limit their acceleration for fear of whiplashing the pilot to death. This not only makes them more difficult to destroy, but also allows them to quickly maneuver into enemies' blind spots and shoot them in the back.
I doubt the average pilot can even see bits/funnels before they kill them. Shit is small. Balls on the other hand are slow and large enough to shoot first.
>>23901322The ball fucks
>>23901322Bits are beam weapons which are directly controlled by an autists' brain while also being significantly more maneuverable than a Ball. Balls are typically piloted by normal people while being significantly larger, heavier, and less maneuverable.Balls manage to kill things now and again but it's typically not very glorious. They get some kills on Gattles in 0079 for example but the scenes are all very quick.
>>23901322There are probably some super-powerful Ball units that are like the units from Heavy Object but optimized for Gundam's combat.
>>23901395Yazan violates you.Za Baru sodomizes you.
>mass produce beam magnums>make a ball strong enough to fire the beam magnum>mobile suits become obsoleteIf they were smart, there would be no cool robot
>>23906376the beam magnum isnt particularly better than any regular beam weapon since they all kill in one shot. giving the unicorn a super special gun that breaks any other ms if they fire it is just dragonball powerlevel wanking
>>23901322Fannerus are tiny fucking things that can shoot you from anywhere and chances are you won't see them before it's too late. Another thing is that since they're drone weapons you won't even see the machine they're launched from.
>>23906447Think the magnum shots also have longer range than a regular beam rifle but I don't remember the Unicorn ever acting as a sniper to take advantage of that.
>>23906447It's a wider range beam that can blow up suits even with grazing hits like the ZZ's beam cannon but that doesn't need to bw slowly charged up.
>>23906376No denying that the "perfect MS" (in space at least) would just be a ball with extra thruster and more efficient AMBAC system than having humanoid limbs.That said, MS are valuable for their ability to operate inside space colonies or under Earth's gravity, where their limbs and jetpack let them operate on absolutely any kind of terrain.So go ahead and drop your Space Balls on Earth.
How come there are mobile suits with funnels instead of battleships with funnels?
>>23906581on ground, all you need is a tank with a beam magnum.or a jet with a beam magnum.
>>23906594This was already explained in a novel.Battleships produce a very strong minovsky field that interferes the psycomu connection.
>>23906376Sir mobile armours already exist.
>>23906474It actually did when it sniped the long range grunt suits. I forgot the name of those suits.
>>23906657>tankTo use a beam magnum the minimal size OYW is to be able to carry a minovsky reactor.You'll end up with silly-big tracks system and using terrain at that scale you'll wonder if legs don't have a point.It will also cost much more than the Type-61 did, so no numerical superiority.>jetAs much as I would put a reactor + beam turret on a Base-Jumper, you end up with a vehicle that...In a setting where visual light is distorted and you can hide the darnest thing...will be most visible flying target, unable to use terrain, while trying to spot its target at close range.Also flying with air-breathing engines apparently still mean air-intake & exhausts in every direction, plus the risk of the engines chocking on their own turbulences.Best I give you is a non-humanoid jumping-tank with big landing-legs. I like to believe the MS shapes make it harder for computer to predict their movements.
>>23901322First, because Balls were deployed in the OYW and funnels were deployed during the gryps conflict. So that's a little like asking why a gun from the start of WW1 is bolt-action when a smaller gun from the end of WW2 is capable of full auto fire. The tech level advanced, size is not really a factor.Second, funnels are one of the few weapons MS are shown to take a hit from that doesn't completely destroy the suit. They shear off arms and legs a lot more often than slicing a suit in half. Considering most of UC is like playing rocket tag and by Zeta, MS are DESIGNED around the expectation that mobility is more important than armour, this makes them one of the weaker weapons we see in use.Third you are comparing a flying beam weapon to a conventional cannon. Which is kind of like the difference between a pistol and a tomahawk missile. Even ignoring the passage of time and technology, they are on a completely different level to one another.
>>23906376>Your mass-production fodder now requires both prohibitively expensive and difficult to manufacture weapons, and chew through an entire E-pack in five shots, necessitating those be mass-produced in insane numbers as well.If you played battletech you'd be the kind of person to wonder why the Clans lost.
>>23907205>To use a beam magnum the minimal size OYW is to be able to carry a minovsky reactor.beam magnum uses e-pack
>>23907220>OYWOYW = ONE YEAR WARThe tech gap shouldn't be that huge in just one year.>>23907221>produces expensive mobile suit>beam magnum hit barely scrapes and the expensive mobile suit explodeswhy spend resources into mobile suits?I doubt the beam mangum is more expensive than an entire mobile suit.
>>23907496all beam rifles use thatit doesn't allow zakus to use beam rifles since they reactor still too weak
>>23907499nigga funnels are 7 years later techdon't confuse it with wire-guided guns or bits
>>23907634This. The Elmeth used bits, but the Qubeley, 7 years later, used funnels.
>>23907499Yeah you really don't understand logistics do you.>While you are firing beam magnum you get shot from three directions by other MS.If you can make 1 ball with a beam magnum, or 2 balls with a conventional cannon for the same price (and given only one is ever actually produced, I'm pretty sure you could make 20-30 balls with conventional cannons for the price of a single beam magnum), you are better off with the conventional cannon everytime. Because they still take the same amount of damage, have the same amount of wear and tear, and are just as easy to destroy when ambushed or blindsided. And because you don't just need to consider the units you're producing, but replacement parts for them. You want the minimum possible loadout for it to be 'effective enough' in combat, at the lowest possible price, material cost, and manufacturing complexity so you can create more of them faster.If you want to see how your ideas play out in the real world, look at how germany fared in WW2.>Kept trying to make better tanks instead of just more of their tanks that were 'good enough'.>Ruskies just swarmed them with loads of shit tanks and won.Fuck even in gundam itself zeon is shown to have realized the importance of logistics by the end of the OYW and switched their focus from constantly trying to produce weird single-purpose designs to trying to standardise parts as much as possible for what they had in the field.
>>23906376>what if we spend our budget reinforcing the most impractically overspec weapon>then we spend even more reinforcing an obsolete space pod to be able to withstand said gun>the pod will of course have no means of reloading, and won't be able to discard the weapon to engage by other means like a mobile suit would, so it is completely at the mercy of the enemy at that pointGood to see zeon's MA development division is still getting work this late into the setting.
>>23906657I'm afraid the enemy has started mass producing bicycles and pogo sticks with psycho shard generators.
>>23907813>>23907826I haven't laughed this hard in a while, thanks anons.
>>23907499>why spend resources into mobile suits?Funnels need to be recharged, the beam magnum still requires constant energy to operate.Funnels only get close enough because space-psychic can control them from far away without needing wire or stuffMobile Armor are costly and are hardly competitiveWhy?Cause AMBAC is canonically more efficientTherefore, any combat vehicle will need the costly generator, and limbs for AMBAC.Arguably the perfect space-battle design isn't humanoid unless you imagine the shapes fuckup computer recognitionbut Mobile Suit are generalist and use the terrain a lot, especially since you'll be fighting around/in giant colonies, so they are cost-efficient.>t. lauhging Oliver May
>>23906376you'd have to radically redesign the ball to do this and by then it would be an entirely different weapons platform
>>23907636This is just a fancy zaku.
>>23907499>and funnels were deployed during the gryps conflictFinish the sentence.
>>23901322I always assumed Balls were just retrofitted industrial type capsules with a big gun strapped to the roof.Lets be real here, its a really dumb design to begin with, whenever they fire that massive gun, the recoil would cause the ball to spin uncontrollably, most likely causing the pilot to black out.
Ball are clearly a space mantince tool rather than belic military equipment}if we though of ms as a gun the ball would be a drill
>>23901355this is the only thing unicorn did properly
>>23901371>Balls also need a cockTrue.
>>23914854Manlet Gundam.
