Thjis right here was the beef to the taco of my disgust with how WfM ended: Elnora getting off easy.

>>23905977

Meant "This right here is the beef to the taco of my disgust with how WfM ended".

>>23905926
>the moral of the story being you should forgive your abusers
Sounds like something lesbians would like.

>>23905926
Was the writer trying to troll Tomino or something?

Genuinsly all they had to do was put her in prison like Shaddiq and that would have solved the problem. Just replace that ending scene with Suletta, Miorine, and Eri's data ghost visting her in prison.

>>23906002

As a continuation of what I said in >>23905977 (spelling error aside), same. Heck, just having a guard by the wheelchair-bound Elnora in the ending we got doesn't change anything.

>>23905996
Tomino's the same person who created characters such as Yazan, Katejina, Guin and Mask.

>>23905926
That’s not what happened tho

>>23906096
(it is)

>>23905926
>does evil experiments on her own baby child
>gets her killed
She didn't. She put Eri in the Aerial to save her from dying of natural causes.

>>23905926
>starts a war
Also not her. She blew up the stash of Lfriths outside the city. Then everyone just started shooting each other rather than investigating.

>>23905926
She didn’t get Eri killed
She also didn’t start a war, technically by targeting SAL’s bunker of Ochs Earth tech she did prevent a much bloodier conflict that could’ve happened if those mass produced Lfriths got distributed
She pretty much sits around with her super cancer that seems to be disabling her body more and more, doesn’t seem very happy and her main goal of freeing Eri isn’t accomplished
She’s basically like Katejina ending wise

>>23905926
Yes rich people tend to get away with a slap on the wrist, especially company execs and such

>>23906035
Katejina ended up blind and buttery, her only "got away" is being mentally fucked. One could argue having no memories of her atrocities is her getting away with it, I suppose.

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I feel a lot of complaints about G-witch like OP are from people who either didn't watch it or watched it at x3 speed and didn't pay attention.

>>23905926
That mask is so awful.

>>23906035
Yazan did nothing wrong and katejina got fucked up.

>>23906035
>Yazan
Did nothing wrong
>Katejina
Blind and retarded by the end
>Guin
Gigacucked by Dianna, lost everything and forced into exile and to never get topped by Laura, truly a fate worse than death
>Mask
Mask was a cunt(ala) but he wasn't that bad iirc, just standard war stuff, he wasn't like Mashner, Dorette or Cumpa

>>23906134
I never finished the show. I think I maybe watched three episodes. Is it worth finishing?

>>23906134
I liked the show but so much of the lore/factions/politics are either glossed over or told in supplementary materials or I'm just too dumb and needed explanation videos to appreciate it more.

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>>23905926

I wish they kept her this psychopathic terrifying right to the very end, but she softens up and loses so much focus in the last quarter of the show.

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>>23906184
>Is it worth finishing?
Yes

>>23906190
What did you like about it? The characters? The mecha action? The CW Riverdale High School plot?

>>23906191
>I wish they kept her this psychopathic terrifying right to the very end
Well the thing is that she's playing it up so no one catches onto what she really wants.

>>23906192
I will add it to my backlog then.

>>23906193
I initially thought the school premise was stupid but it was okay, they shoehorned the whole medical/mech/tech thing in an acceptable way. From that, I liked the academy mecha duels. It was different but not stupid, if that makes sense.

I really, really like the Calibarn.

As for the characters, I kinda liked the show using the greenhouse scenes to sort of pace and parallel everything. I liked Guel too.

As for the second half I really need to rewatch it because Miorine in the second half moved in ways that flew over a little over my head sometimes.

I do wish there was a bit more time spent explaining the various rich fucks, their families and motivations, the witches (like shit, do more than just seem like you're puppet pullers bene genserrit), so that there was more "satisfaction" when Miorine finally did what she did at the end. I understand that might be just me though.

I think WfM was a great intro show for people to maybe get into Gundam, but a meh show for people who were already fans of the franchise.

>>23906202

>I do wish there was a bit more time spent explaining the various rich fucks, their families and motivations, the witches (like shit, do more than just seem like you're puppet pullers bene genserrit), so that there was more "satisfaction" when Miorine finally did what she did at the end. I understand that might be just me though.

Same. The production team were wimps with how many episodes they wanted, which restricted with how much the post-Drone War world worked and more on how Spacian-owned coglomerates worked.

>>23905926
I hate how you're not allowed to dislike WFM for obvious horseshit like this, you just instantly get labeled a yuri rager.

>>23906134
What are you talking about? I watched the show and I didn't notice that OP got anything wrong.
Or is this just a kneejerk
>If you didn't like the show I liked, it means you couldn't have watched it

>>23906233
There's a difference between constructive criticism and just hating the show while loudly announcing you hate it.

>>23906235
OP got a lot wrong.

>>23906236
>constructive criticism
For a mass audience product?

>>23906235
Can you point to the part of the show where Prospera intentionally started a war and killed Eri doing mad scientist experiments?

>>23905926
She didn't do any of those things, not even getting away with it. Most of the blame falls on Delling and he actually did get away with everything, just some public pressure.

the only thing you can really say op got right was her starting a war BUT that war was gonna start anyway, she just inserted herself into it to fulfill her keikaku and arguably caused it to be a less bloody conflict than it would have otherwise been

>>23905926
>gets to the final stage of her plan, about to succeed
>proceeds to defend it with just 2 trash can robots
>"hey mom, cut it out"
>"okay"
the end

>>23906184
If you dropped it that early, definitely not

>>23906206
>WfM was a great intro show for people to maybe get into Gundam
Why do americans need other shit to get into huge franchises?

>>23906346
Because we are awesome. :DD

A country who doesn't export their culture like China wouldn't get it. :((

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>>23906346
>americans
Even Japan likes it.

>>23906363
I wish I liked it. ;_;

>tranny reply
As expected.

>>23906192
>the show is worth finishing
>says anon as he posts alt universe school slice of life material
What you meant to say was ditch the main work and just follow the spin off instead.

>>23906374
People do it for OL Haman.

>>23906379
Hardly.

>>23906374
>alt universe school slice of life material
It's not though.

>>23906385
Care to elaborate?

>>23906374
>>23906389
That's just a promo image from a Sunrise tWfM event. It's unrelated to the school AU manga.

https://gundam-official.com/witch-from-mercury/event/

Note you can see the tv show's shorts and jacket.

>>23906416
They also had an audio drama about the festival event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWIDbrcDkyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pRd1NVaNTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wreS7GYk1MY

>>23906252
>is doing experiments on a baby
>timeskip, baby is dead
gee i wonder what happened

>>23906450
>is doing experiments on a baby
Didn't happen.

>you lived long enough to see prospera apologists

>>23905926
She didn't kill Eri.
Eri coincidentally got sick with the space flu right as soon as she showed her permet tolerance. Personally i think that a cowardly writing choice since it whitewashes the act of turning her into a weapon. It reminds me of how how they decide to pre-emptively "punish" Prospera by her saying "ah actually my legs are broken now" while still standing and walking normally normally.
She actually did kill several of her toddler "repli-child" clones into the children of the coven though (which is literally only ever brought up during El5n getting inside the gundam and that shitty exposition scene where they tell Suletta her own backstory) and anyone who argues otherwise is themselves guilty of not paying attention to the show.

I dunno man I just think the way she got into Miorine's head was hot

>>23906457
not sure anyone is doing prospera apologia except op, who seems to believe the message was she should be forgiven
we can point out that the things she's being criticized for just aren't accurate without it being apologia

>>23906475
Age gap yuri is the only kind of yuri I accept.

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How would you feel if G-Witch had an all-female cast?

>>23906548
Where is best girl?

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>>23906575
In the center.

>>23906579
What is the meaning of that gesture she's making?

>>23906379
People don't use OL Haman as justification to watch the shows(because the shows don't need any justification beyond themselves). People like OL Haman because they liked the shows to begin with.

>>23908748
That's how big Guel's cock is. She's telling Miorine.

>>23906235
It’s all wrong retard samefag

>>23906450
Except no experiments happened on baby. Gee

>>23905926
The lesson is women are never wrong. Listen and learn

How do I pretend that this show is good and worth my time like everyone else seems to think it is? Do I have to still be in my teens and 20s to like this?

>>23910915
Being in a show's target demographic is probably helpful to enjoying it, yes.
Alternatively you can just ignore it and live your life.

>>23910990
I thought there was something I was missing because I didn't like this show, but now that I realize I don't like it because I am almost 40 and think it's stupid makes me feel a whole lot better about everything.

>>23911027
If anything, it'd probably be stranger if you did enjoy every single AU when they're usually going for the contemporary teen to young adult demographic as the primary audience, which by its nature is both something an individual will drift further away from and an ever-shifting target.

>>23910915
You have to be a yurifag to like it if it is out of your target age demographic.

>>23908945
Hot

>>23910915
it helps to have a brain

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>>23905926
This was my biggest problem with G-Witch. They really needed to commit to Elnora being evil.

>>23905977
>>23906002
>>23906019
These guys get it.

>>23912320
Artist needs to learn to draw phalanges.

>>23910915
You don't have to like every show, just don't waste everyone's time shitting your pants in a thread for it like some folks seem to do

>>23913195
Where do you think we are?

>>23908945
And how would she know anything like that?

>>23905926
Wait, the MC for G-Witch died?

>>23906548
Seeing Chuchu with bedhead is kinda surreal.

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>>23917198

>>23917198
>>23917208
Chuchu should be my wife

>>23917208
Does the cap change colors according to how angry she is?

>>23918426
Bot post.

>>23906548
Chuchu's boobs look much bigger than I expected.

>>23918459
I suspect that illustration's not official.

>>23919646
No, it is official.
https://x.com/HobbySite/status/1844664312826307054

>>23919693
So did she start padding her bra or something?

>>23906548
Why no Secelia?

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>>23922104
Not part of Earth house.

>>23922108
Was it ever explained why the tomatoes have green innards? Are they GMOs or something?

>>23922108
I'm surprised there are any surviving N64s in the Ad Stella era, let alone functional ones.

>>23906035
>Yazan
Probably oxygen deprived. Destitute.
>Katejina
Fate worse than death
>Guin
Cucked
>Mask
You mean Iron Mask? Who dies a pathetic loser that can't even stand up to his boomer dad?

>>23925026
How many of her are there?

>>23925073
Not Iron Mask you secondary casual fat retard fuck. Mask

>>23925073
>>23906127
>>23906174
Prospera arguably ended up in similar case to Katejina, except she probably has her memories(though she barely looked conscious) and her body is actively rotting from the space aids

>>23906035
These are all genuinely great characters who get used really well and their conclusions make sense. Yazan is theo nly questionable one I think. but I don't remember his deal as much.

>>23905926
>crippled
>space aids dying slowly
I don't know why people latch onto her, her fate isn't exactly spotless, especially for someone who arguably wasn't the worst person in the setting morally

If theres anyone to bitch about its the Peil people who ACTUALLY got away when they should be dead

>>23905926
She didn't do the experiments because she wanted to. If eri didn't activate lfrith they were going to die.

>>23926450
>>23926469
I'm sure it's not meant to be taken like this but I think being in that situation while having to watch Suletta, the clone she emotionally airgapped herself from intended as simply a tool, live her best life has to be some kind of torture.
She's got a wife she only even met because of the plan, who helped foil it, the two of them are now proving that the more idealistic dream of her research wasn't impossible, and of course Eri is now a fucking keychain that seems to have happily slotted into the keychain/daughter of the man that took everything from you twice over now/clone family unit.
If she can still speak it'll only be in the most passive aggressive possible variations on 'I'm happy for you' until she's in the ground.

>>23926483
Of what?

>>23926983
Of getting shot in the face, I think anon is talking about the prologue.

>>23926994
Getting shot in the face isn't much of an experiment when you already know the result.

>>23926644
Perhaps not exactly like that but I’m sure deep down she doesn’t exactly enjoy everything she worked for going up in smoke+eri still not being free and just being trapped in a even smaller device, but not like she can do anything about it but smile especially when her body started failing

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>>23928193
Well Eri can at least now communicate and interact with others where being stuck in the Aerial before white Permet she could do neither.

>>23928193
>>23928335
There has to be a certain sting to her finding family in the clone that was supposed to fuck off and the woman that helped ruin everything, too. Might just seethe into the grave trying to work out where she went wrong raising the clone.
I wonder how she feels about Eri and even Nadim's science ghost accepting Suletta as family for that matter.

>>23925026
Who's the doppelgänger?

>>23917208
>(1)
What has she got in her mouth?

>>23930588
Cheese.

>>23931275
kek

>>23906122
You forgot the part where she takes control of a tank to fire at protestors to initiate a falseflag.

>>23929558
It's just main series Suletta and timeskip Suletta.

>>23905926
Japanese writing in a nutshell

>>23933129
Whisker streaks don't really stand out like they do in the show.

>>23917208
Water polo, anyone?

>>23912320
Are they sharing a moment?

>>23936396
Mothers NTRing their daughters is a common dramatic theme.

>>23937344
Stop watching soap operas or whatever they call the genre where you're from.

>>23933129
Then why is she getting upset?

>>23922108
Was there a black cat in the show?

>>23940098
She's beside herself.

>>23941335
kek

>>23917208
Why is her face all swollen in step one?

Okay, but who changes Prospera's diapers?

>>23926459
Yazan was a handsy Titans officer who loved his men and showed mercy to people who surrendered. He had a foul mouth and got some named kills so people think he is a bad guy.

>>23905926
>First episode starts off strong with inter-corporate fuckery and intrigue
>Wife swears revenge as her friends and husband die all around her
>Her young daughter wipes out the attacking force because of the suit being alluded to being made just her her
>Episode ends with daughter's laughter showing visible fear on the officers of the attacking fleet
>Second episode turns the show into generic highschool crap
It was the most bait and switch type of shit I had ever seen.

>>23947984
The prologue had me so excited. I thought we were in for a Gundam 00 S1 level of geopolitical drama but with corportations.

>>23948900

Same. SuleMio to me was second to what I expected with WfM until Season 2 happened, especially with the ending.

>>23947984
The prologue was originally intended to just be a flashback around when Suletta finds out what happened, it was spun off into a full episode because of Bamco wanting something from the production they could release ahead of airing, like how the opening of the first Hathaway was put online. It was less a bait and switch and more that a late restructure led to the surprise darker elements actually coming first.
>>23949043
I do genuinely believe they came up with too many ideas for Ad Stella and didn't know how to cram them all in. I'd much rather that than the inverse problem, but it'll be a shame if they don't get a chance to explore some more of the Earth-space relations or transhuman stuff in something later.

>>23912320
The NTR vibes Prospera had with Miorine was hot.

>>23949152
Well that's what the manga is for

>>23949043
>>23949152
>I do genuinely believe they came up with too many ideas for Ad Stella
Remember when in an interview they said something like "we created this setting with potential for expansion" and all they've done is like 1 manga spin-off?
totally wasted potential.
We should've had a WfM sequel that expanded on the consequences of how Suletta resolved the conflict in the show.

>>23950784
I think it's pretty clear they're pretty controlling of the setting, which ends up backfiring and leading to less content. Even SRWY was clearly very limited in the ways it could change Witch's story compared to the other shows - like they have other characters talking about how Gundam and Gund-Arm isn't the same, but then when redoing Witch scenes, they follow the show's dialogue to the letter and all Witch scenes still always regard Gundam = Gund-Arm. There's also no real integration of the Witch setting in non-Witch stories.

And apparently it's troublesome enough using Witch characters they haven't even featured them in any of the DLC stories released after launch (they were in an early DLC that came alongside the game, but although their names are mentioned in later DLC, the Witch characters never get lines).

GQX seems to be even worse on this matter considering how it didn't even get one tie-in manga. It's weird how this younger staff who grew up knowing about how Gundam's expanded content played a big part in its popularity seems to strangle it.

>>23950800
SRWY was also in production at an awkward time relative to the show's production cycle is my understanding, which didn't help.

>>23950822
>SRWY was also in production at an awkward time relative to the show's production cycle is my understanding, which didn't help.
This theory kind of falls apart when the post-launch DLC clearly had issues even compared to the DLC launched alongside the game.

>>23950800
>. Even SRWY was clearly very limited in the ways it could change Witch's story compared to the other shows - like they have other characters talking about how Gundam and Gund-Arm isn't the same, but then when redoing Witch scenes, they follow the show's dialogue to the letter and all Witch scenes still always regard Gundam = Gund-Arm. There's also no real integration of the Witch setting in non-Witch stories
SRW tends to not stray TOO far with debuts and especially early inclusions where the story wasn't complete when they wrote their own

>>23950885
I'm not talking about "straying too far", I'm talking about how for example, the companies from Witch from Mercury just don't exist when they aren't dealing with the WfM plot. Or what I said above, about how they didn't even tweak dialogue when referencing actual tWfM plot points. The other series in the game don't have this issue.

The later DLC being even more restricted than the launch one to the point the WfM characters can't even get lines, just being mentioned by other characters, goes against the narrative that it's due to being "early" too.

>SRW tends to not stray TOO far with debuts and especially early inclusions where the story wasn't complete when they wrote their own
Also, this really isn't true. That happened with Rebuild of Evangelion because Khara staff outright told them to not do an original ending before Rebuild had finished. But this wouldn't be a problem with WfM since the game was obviously only coming out after the anime had finished.

Wing in Shin had a completely new backstory for Zechs joining Neo Zeon. Linebarrels in UX had an original climax/final battle with Deus Ex Machina since the manga was unfinished. The story doesn't just stop.

Gridman in 30. Yamato in V. All added while sequel series were being made/running too.

>>23950897
>the companies from Witch from Mercury just don't exist when they aren't dealing with the WfM plot. Or what I said above, about how they didn't even tweak dialogue when referencing actual tWfM plot points
This is what happens with early inclusions yes but there are changes, what do you want them to tweak? Guel, Prospera and Chuchu all end up in different places compared to how they're supposed to be in S1

>Also, this really isn't true. That happened with Rebuild of Evangelion because Khara staff outright told them to not do an original ending before Rebuild had finished. But this wouldn't be a problem with WfM since the game was obviously only coming out after the anime had finished.
They very clearly said they finalized the game's story layout before S1 even ended.

>Wing in Shin had a completely new backstory for Zechs joining Neo Zeon
WFM has a completely different Guel storyline to excuse him joining the team through Domon, his dad barely exists there

>Linebarrels in UX had an original climax/final battle with Deus Ex Machina since the manga was unfinished
They did their own version of WFM''s S1 ending using L Gaim and Dunbine's enemies

This is not particularly outlandish behavior, what you could argue is what they did wasn't very exciting, but it wasn't 1:1

>Gridman in 30. Yamato in V. All added while sequel series were being made/running too.
Literally not the same case

>>23950897
>The later DLC being even more restricted than the launch one to the point the WfM characters can't even get lines, just being mentioned by other characters, goes against the narrative that it's due to being "early" too.

The DLC also barely has any interaction for ANY cast member who isn't apart of those storylines, when was the last time you saw someone like Emma talk?

>>23950917
>what do you want them to tweak?

I mean, I mentioned above, the lack of integration of the setting when they aren't dealing with Witch stuff.

>They very clearly said they finalized the game's story layout before S1 even ended.

Yeah, but they knew it'd only launch afterwards, so it's not the Rebuild issue here where they'd presumably make an ending before the official one and the creators told them to avoid that.

>WFM has a completely different Guel storyline to excuse him joining the team through Domon, his dad barely exists there
It's basically just spinning around though, since he isn't even allowed to meet other Witch from Mercury characters after the point where his story seemingly deviates.

>They did their own version of WFM''s S1 ending using L Gaim and Dunbine's enemies
And we know they had to get specific authorization for something as inoffensive as what they did.

>The DLC also barely has any interaction for ANY cast member who isn't apart of those storylines, when was the last time you saw someone like Emma talk?
I mean, Emma barely talks in the base game and really seems to be in the game just because they wanted an oldtype UC pilot for gameplay reasons. The Singular Point cast gets lines in the DLC packs even though they aren't really related to any of the stories in the DLC packs so far. They make at least someone from every show get some lines here and there, aside from the Witch cast.

>>23949248
>vibes [...] was

>>23955155
>internet message board
>proper grammar
Choose one.

>>23955155
Do you expect someone that says "NTR vibes" to be anything other than a non-white?

>>23950913
>They very clearly said they finalized the game's story layout before S1 even ended.
They didn't. The game came out after it ended.

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>built up as a major player
>takes the fall for literally everything so the bad bitch he fumbled can go get fingerbanged by a cripple who now doesn't have to feel sad about her mom getting jail time

>>23958788
>They didn't. The game came out after it ended.
>how does game development work

It's amazing how they can literally come on stream and explain these things and people don't realize that just because a game came out after something doesn't mean they can hapazardly redo the game.

>>23958797
I don't get why the writers hated his character so much

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>prologue is a very well done setup to the world
>spend at least 90% of the screentime dicking around rather than doing anything with it.
You know what? I'm still mad. Genuinely the more I remember about the show, the angrier I get.
The worst part is every now and then they would show just a glimmer of competence that made it look like they were steering the ship around to keep stringing me along and suddenly there's 2 episodes left and it's a big fuckoff lights festival.

>>23958821
Is pic somehow related?

>>23958821
It's okay, the transhumanism plotline was wrapped up by Eri becoming a keychain and also quiet zero becoming a completely accidental artificial afterlife so the characters can have a forgiveness party for 2 minutes before it dissolves into rainbow powder
>>23958820
If you take the idea that he's a rewrite of Akio by a Utena fan who hates Akio fucking everyone it makes sense why they wrote Shaddiq to branches pathetic loser

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>>23960806
>it dissolves into rainbow powder

>>23958821
>I'm still mad.
Is pic somehow related?

>>23943945
Bob looks a suspicious lot like Guel.

>>23937344
>vibes [...] was

>>23977643
>nigger [...] sneed

>>23977675
You have to go back.