>does evil experiments on her own baby child>gets her killed>starts a war, killing thousands of people, including children at a school>gets away with everything, the moral of the story being you should forgive your abusers
Thjis right here was the beef to the taco of my disgust with how WfM ended: Elnora getting off easy.
>>23905977Meant "This right here is the beef to the taco of my disgust with how WfM ended".
>>23905926>the moral of the story being you should forgive your abusersSounds like something lesbians would like.
>>23905926Was the writer trying to troll Tomino or something?
Genuinsly all they had to do was put her in prison like Shaddiq and that would have solved the problem. Just replace that ending scene with Suletta, Miorine, and Eri's data ghost visting her in prison.
>>23906002As a continuation of what I said in >>23905977 (spelling error aside), same. Heck, just having a guard by the wheelchair-bound Elnora in the ending we got doesn't change anything.
>>23905996Tomino's the same person who created characters such as Yazan, Katejina, Guin and Mask.
>>23905926That’s not what happened tho
>>23906096(it is)
>>23905926>does evil experiments on her own baby child>gets her killedShe didn't. She put Eri in the Aerial to save her from dying of natural causes.
>>23905926>starts a warAlso not her. She blew up the stash of Lfriths outside the city. Then everyone just started shooting each other rather than investigating.
>>23905926She didn’t get Eri killedShe also didn’t start a war, technically by targeting SAL’s bunker of Ochs Earth tech she did prevent a much bloodier conflict that could’ve happened if those mass produced Lfriths got distributed She pretty much sits around with her super cancer that seems to be disabling her body more and more, doesn’t seem very happy and her main goal of freeing Eri isn’t accomplished She’s basically like Katejina ending wise
>>23905926Yes rich people tend to get away with a slap on the wrist, especially company execs and such
>>23906035Katejina ended up blind and buttery, her only "got away" is being mentally fucked. One could argue having no memories of her atrocities is her getting away with it, I suppose.
I feel a lot of complaints about G-witch like OP are from people who either didn't watch it or watched it at x3 speed and didn't pay attention.
>>23905926That mask is so awful.
>>23906035Yazan did nothing wrong and katejina got fucked up.
>>23906035>YazanDid nothing wrong>KatejinaBlind and retarded by the end>GuinGigacucked by Dianna, lost everything and forced into exile and to never get topped by Laura, truly a fate worse than death>MaskMask was a cunt(ala) but he wasn't that bad iirc, just standard war stuff, he wasn't like Mashner, Dorette or Cumpa
>>23906134I never finished the show. I think I maybe watched three episodes. Is it worth finishing?
>>23906134I liked the show but so much of the lore/factions/politics are either glossed over or told in supplementary materials or I'm just too dumb and needed explanation videos to appreciate it more.
>>23905926I wish they kept her this psychopathic terrifying right to the very end, but she softens up and loses so much focus in the last quarter of the show.
>>23906184>Is it worth finishing?Yes
>>23906190What did you like about it? The characters? The mecha action? The CW Riverdale High School plot?
>>23906191>I wish they kept her this psychopathic terrifying right to the very endWell the thing is that she's playing it up so no one catches onto what she really wants.
>>23906192I will add it to my backlog then.
>>23906193I initially thought the school premise was stupid but it was okay, they shoehorned the whole medical/mech/tech thing in an acceptable way. From that, I liked the academy mecha duels. It was different but not stupid, if that makes sense. I really, really like the Calibarn.As for the characters, I kinda liked the show using the greenhouse scenes to sort of pace and parallel everything. I liked Guel too.As for the second half I really need to rewatch it because Miorine in the second half moved in ways that flew over a little over my head sometimes. I do wish there was a bit more time spent explaining the various rich fucks, their families and motivations, the witches (like shit, do more than just seem like you're puppet pullers bene genserrit), so that there was more "satisfaction" when Miorine finally did what she did at the end. I understand that might be just me though.
I think WfM was a great intro show for people to maybe get into Gundam, but a meh show for people who were already fans of the franchise.
>>23906202>I do wish there was a bit more time spent explaining the various rich fucks, their families and motivations, the witches (like shit, do more than just seem like you're puppet pullers bene genserrit), so that there was more "satisfaction" when Miorine finally did what she did at the end. I understand that might be just me though.Same. The production team were wimps with how many episodes they wanted, which restricted with how much the post-Drone War world worked and more on how Spacian-owned coglomerates worked.
>>23905926I hate how you're not allowed to dislike WFM for obvious horseshit like this, you just instantly get labeled a yuri rager.
>>23906134What are you talking about? I watched the show and I didn't notice that OP got anything wrong.Or is this just a kneejerk>If you didn't like the show I liked, it means you couldn't have watched it
>>23906233There's a difference between constructive criticism and just hating the show while loudly announcing you hate it.
>>23906235OP got a lot wrong.
>>23906236>constructive criticismFor a mass audience product?
>>23906235Can you point to the part of the show where Prospera intentionally started a war and killed Eri doing mad scientist experiments?
>>23905926She didn't do any of those things, not even getting away with it. Most of the blame falls on Delling and he actually did get away with everything, just some public pressure.
the only thing you can really say op got right was her starting a war BUT that war was gonna start anyway, she just inserted herself into it to fulfill her keikaku and arguably caused it to be a less bloody conflict than it would have otherwise been
>>23905926>gets to the final stage of her plan, about to succeed>proceeds to defend it with just 2 trash can robots>"hey mom, cut it out">"okay"the end
>>23906184If you dropped it that early, definitely not
>>23906206>WfM was a great intro show for people to maybe get into GundamWhy do americans need other shit to get into huge franchises?
>>23906346Because we are awesome. :DD A country who doesn't export their culture like China wouldn't get it. :((
>>23906346>americansEven Japan likes it.
>>23906363I wish I liked it. ;_;
>tranny replyAs expected.
>>23906192>the show is worth finishing>says anon as he posts alt universe school slice of life materialWhat you meant to say was ditch the main work and just follow the spin off instead.
>>23906374People do it for OL Haman.
>>23906379Hardly.
>>23906374>alt universe school slice of life materialIt's not though.
>>23906385Care to elaborate?
>>23906374>>23906389That's just a promo image from a Sunrise tWfM event. It's unrelated to the school AU manga.https://gundam-official.com/witch-from-mercury/event/Note you can see the tv show's shorts and jacket.
>>23906416They also had an audio drama about the festival event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWIDbrcDkyUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pRd1NVaNTMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wreS7GYk1MY
>>23906252>is doing experiments on a baby>timeskip, baby is deadgee i wonder what happened
>>23906450>is doing experiments on a babyDidn't happen.
>you lived long enough to see prospera apologists
>>23905926She didn't kill Eri. Eri coincidentally got sick with the space flu right as soon as she showed her permet tolerance. Personally i think that a cowardly writing choice since it whitewashes the act of turning her into a weapon. It reminds me of how how they decide to pre-emptively "punish" Prospera by her saying "ah actually my legs are broken now" while still standing and walking normally normally.She actually did kill several of her toddler "repli-child" clones into the children of the coven though (which is literally only ever brought up during El5n getting inside the gundam and that shitty exposition scene where they tell Suletta her own backstory) and anyone who argues otherwise is themselves guilty of not paying attention to the show.
I dunno man I just think the way she got into Miorine's head was hot
>>23906457not sure anyone is doing prospera apologia except op, who seems to believe the message was she should be forgivenwe can point out that the things she's being criticized for just aren't accurate without it being apologia
>>23906475Age gap yuri is the only kind of yuri I accept.
How would you feel if G-Witch had an all-female cast?
>>23906548Where is best girl?
>>23906575In the center.
>>23906579What is the meaning of that gesture she's making?
>>23906379People don't use OL Haman as justification to watch the shows(because the shows don't need any justification beyond themselves). People like OL Haman because they liked the shows to begin with.
>>23908748That's how big Guel's cock is. She's telling Miorine.
>>23906235It’s all wrong retard samefag
>>23906450Except no experiments happened on baby. Gee
>>23905926The lesson is women are never wrong. Listen and learn
How do I pretend that this show is good and worth my time like everyone else seems to think it is? Do I have to still be in my teens and 20s to like this?
>>23910915Being in a show's target demographic is probably helpful to enjoying it, yes.Alternatively you can just ignore it and live your life.
>>23910990I thought there was something I was missing because I didn't like this show, but now that I realize I don't like it because I am almost 40 and think it's stupid makes me feel a whole lot better about everything.
>>23911027If anything, it'd probably be stranger if you did enjoy every single AU when they're usually going for the contemporary teen to young adult demographic as the primary audience, which by its nature is both something an individual will drift further away from and an ever-shifting target.
>>23910915You have to be a yurifag to like it if it is out of your target age demographic.
>>23908945Hot
>>23910915it helps to have a brain
>>23905926This was my biggest problem with G-Witch. They really needed to commit to Elnora being evil.>>23905977>>23906002>>23906019These guys get it.
>>23912320Artist needs to learn to draw phalanges.
>>23910915You don't have to like every show, just don't waste everyone's time shitting your pants in a thread for it like some folks seem to do
>>23913195Where do you think we are?
>>23908945And how would she know anything like that?
>>23905926Wait, the MC for G-Witch died?
>>23906548Seeing Chuchu with bedhead is kinda surreal.
>>23917198
>>23917198>>23917208Chuchu should be my wife
>>23917208Does the cap change colors according to how angry she is?
>>23918426Bot post.
>>23906548Chuchu's boobs look much bigger than I expected.
>>23918459I suspect that illustration's not official.
>>23919646No, it is official. https://x.com/HobbySite/status/1844664312826307054
>>23919693So did she start padding her bra or something?
>>23906548Why no Secelia?
>>23922104Not part of Earth house.
>>23922108Was it ever explained why the tomatoes have green innards? Are they GMOs or something?
>>23922108I'm surprised there are any surviving N64s in the Ad Stella era, let alone functional ones.
>>23906035>YazanProbably oxygen deprived. Destitute.>KatejinaFate worse than death>GuinCucked>MaskYou mean Iron Mask? Who dies a pathetic loser that can't even stand up to his boomer dad?
>>23925026How many of her are there?
>>23925073Not Iron Mask you secondary casual fat retard fuck. Mask
>>23925073>>23906127>>23906174Prospera arguably ended up in similar case to Katejina, except she probably has her memories(though she barely looked conscious) and her body is actively rotting from the space aids
>>23906035These are all genuinely great characters who get used really well and their conclusions make sense. Yazan is theo nly questionable one I think. but I don't remember his deal as much.
>>23905926>crippled>space aids dying slowlyI don't know why people latch onto her, her fate isn't exactly spotless, especially for someone who arguably wasn't the worst person in the setting morallyIf theres anyone to bitch about its the Peil people who ACTUALLY got away when they should be dead
>>23905926She didn't do the experiments because she wanted to. If eri didn't activate lfrith they were going to die.
>>23926450>>23926469I'm sure it's not meant to be taken like this but I think being in that situation while having to watch Suletta, the clone she emotionally airgapped herself from intended as simply a tool, live her best life has to be some kind of torture.She's got a wife she only even met because of the plan, who helped foil it, the two of them are now proving that the more idealistic dream of her research wasn't impossible, and of course Eri is now a fucking keychain that seems to have happily slotted into the keychain/daughter of the man that took everything from you twice over now/clone family unit.If she can still speak it'll only be in the most passive aggressive possible variations on 'I'm happy for you' until she's in the ground.
>>23926483Of what?
>>23926983Of getting shot in the face, I think anon is talking about the prologue.
>>23926994Getting shot in the face isn't much of an experiment when you already know the result.
>>23926644Perhaps not exactly like that but I’m sure deep down she doesn’t exactly enjoy everything she worked for going up in smoke+eri still not being free and just being trapped in a even smaller device, but not like she can do anything about it but smile especially when her body started failing
>>23928193Well Eri can at least now communicate and interact with others where being stuck in the Aerial before white Permet she could do neither.
>>23928193>>23928335There has to be a certain sting to her finding family in the clone that was supposed to fuck off and the woman that helped ruin everything, too. Might just seethe into the grave trying to work out where she went wrong raising the clone.I wonder how she feels about Eri and even Nadim's science ghost accepting Suletta as family for that matter.
>>23925026Who's the doppelgänger?
>>23917208>(1)What has she got in her mouth?
>>23930588Cheese.
>>23931275kek
>>23906122You forgot the part where she takes control of a tank to fire at protestors to initiate a falseflag.
>>23929558It's just main series Suletta and timeskip Suletta.
>>23905926Japanese writing in a nutshell
>>23933129Whisker streaks don't really stand out like they do in the show.
>>23917208Water polo, anyone?
>>23912320Are they sharing a moment?
>>23936396Mothers NTRing their daughters is a common dramatic theme.
>>23937344Stop watching soap operas or whatever they call the genre where you're from.
>>23933129Then why is she getting upset?
>>23922108Was there a black cat in the show?
>>23940098She's beside herself.
>>23941335kek
>>23917208Why is her face all swollen in step one?
Okay, but who changes Prospera's diapers?
>>23926459Yazan was a handsy Titans officer who loved his men and showed mercy to people who surrendered. He had a foul mouth and got some named kills so people think he is a bad guy.
>>23905926>First episode starts off strong with inter-corporate fuckery and intrigue>Wife swears revenge as her friends and husband die all around her>Her young daughter wipes out the attacking force because of the suit being alluded to being made just her her >Episode ends with daughter's laughter showing visible fear on the officers of the attacking fleet >Second episode turns the show into generic highschool crapIt was the most bait and switch type of shit I had ever seen.
>>23947984The prologue had me so excited. I thought we were in for a Gundam 00 S1 level of geopolitical drama but with corportations.
>>23948900Same. SuleMio to me was second to what I expected with WfM until Season 2 happened, especially with the ending.
>>23947984The prologue was originally intended to just be a flashback around when Suletta finds out what happened, it was spun off into a full episode because of Bamco wanting something from the production they could release ahead of airing, like how the opening of the first Hathaway was put online. It was less a bait and switch and more that a late restructure led to the surprise darker elements actually coming first.>>23949043I do genuinely believe they came up with too many ideas for Ad Stella and didn't know how to cram them all in. I'd much rather that than the inverse problem, but it'll be a shame if they don't get a chance to explore some more of the Earth-space relations or transhuman stuff in something later.
>>23912320The NTR vibes Prospera had with Miorine was hot.
>>23949152Well that's what the manga is for
>>23949043>>23949152>I do genuinely believe they came up with too many ideas for Ad StellaRemember when in an interview they said something like "we created this setting with potential for expansion" and all they've done is like 1 manga spin-off?totally wasted potential.We should've had a WfM sequel that expanded on the consequences of how Suletta resolved the conflict in the show.
>>23950784I think it's pretty clear they're pretty controlling of the setting, which ends up backfiring and leading to less content. Even SRWY was clearly very limited in the ways it could change Witch's story compared to the other shows - like they have other characters talking about how Gundam and Gund-Arm isn't the same, but then when redoing Witch scenes, they follow the show's dialogue to the letter and all Witch scenes still always regard Gundam = Gund-Arm. There's also no real integration of the Witch setting in non-Witch stories.And apparently it's troublesome enough using Witch characters they haven't even featured them in any of the DLC stories released after launch (they were in an early DLC that came alongside the game, but although their names are mentioned in later DLC, the Witch characters never get lines).GQX seems to be even worse on this matter considering how it didn't even get one tie-in manga. It's weird how this younger staff who grew up knowing about how Gundam's expanded content played a big part in its popularity seems to strangle it.
>>23950800SRWY was also in production at an awkward time relative to the show's production cycle is my understanding, which didn't help.
>>23950822>SRWY was also in production at an awkward time relative to the show's production cycle is my understanding, which didn't help.This theory kind of falls apart when the post-launch DLC clearly had issues even compared to the DLC launched alongside the game.
>>23950800>. Even SRWY was clearly very limited in the ways it could change Witch's story compared to the other shows - like they have other characters talking about how Gundam and Gund-Arm isn't the same, but then when redoing Witch scenes, they follow the show's dialogue to the letter and all Witch scenes still always regard Gundam = Gund-Arm. There's also no real integration of the Witch setting in non-Witch storiesSRW tends to not stray TOO far with debuts and especially early inclusions where the story wasn't complete when they wrote their own
>>23950885I'm not talking about "straying too far", I'm talking about how for example, the companies from Witch from Mercury just don't exist when they aren't dealing with the WfM plot. Or what I said above, about how they didn't even tweak dialogue when referencing actual tWfM plot points. The other series in the game don't have this issue.The later DLC being even more restricted than the launch one to the point the WfM characters can't even get lines, just being mentioned by other characters, goes against the narrative that it's due to being "early" too.>SRW tends to not stray TOO far with debuts and especially early inclusions where the story wasn't complete when they wrote their ownAlso, this really isn't true. That happened with Rebuild of Evangelion because Khara staff outright told them to not do an original ending before Rebuild had finished. But this wouldn't be a problem with WfM since the game was obviously only coming out after the anime had finished.Wing in Shin had a completely new backstory for Zechs joining Neo Zeon. Linebarrels in UX had an original climax/final battle with Deus Ex Machina since the manga was unfinished. The story doesn't just stop.Gridman in 30. Yamato in V. All added while sequel series were being made/running too.
>>23950897>the companies from Witch from Mercury just don't exist when they aren't dealing with the WfM plot. Or what I said above, about how they didn't even tweak dialogue when referencing actual tWfM plot pointsThis is what happens with early inclusions yes but there are changes, what do you want them to tweak? Guel, Prospera and Chuchu all end up in different places compared to how they're supposed to be in S1>Also, this really isn't true. That happened with Rebuild of Evangelion because Khara staff outright told them to not do an original ending before Rebuild had finished. But this wouldn't be a problem with WfM since the game was obviously only coming out after the anime had finished.They very clearly said they finalized the game's story layout before S1 even ended.>Wing in Shin had a completely new backstory for Zechs joining Neo ZeonWFM has a completely different Guel storyline to excuse him joining the team through Domon, his dad barely exists there>Linebarrels in UX had an original climax/final battle with Deus Ex Machina since the manga was unfinishedThey did their own version of WFM''s S1 ending using L Gaim and Dunbine's enemiesThis is not particularly outlandish behavior, what you could argue is what they did wasn't very exciting, but it wasn't 1:1>Gridman in 30. Yamato in V. All added while sequel series were being made/running too.Literally not the same case
>>23950897>The later DLC being even more restricted than the launch one to the point the WfM characters can't even get lines, just being mentioned by other characters, goes against the narrative that it's due to being "early" too.The DLC also barely has any interaction for ANY cast member who isn't apart of those storylines, when was the last time you saw someone like Emma talk?
>>23950917>what do you want them to tweak? I mean, I mentioned above, the lack of integration of the setting when they aren't dealing with Witch stuff.>They very clearly said they finalized the game's story layout before S1 even ended.Yeah, but they knew it'd only launch afterwards, so it's not the Rebuild issue here where they'd presumably make an ending before the official one and the creators told them to avoid that.>WFM has a completely different Guel storyline to excuse him joining the team through Domon, his dad barely exists thereIt's basically just spinning around though, since he isn't even allowed to meet other Witch from Mercury characters after the point where his story seemingly deviates.>They did their own version of WFM''s S1 ending using L Gaim and Dunbine's enemiesAnd we know they had to get specific authorization for something as inoffensive as what they did.>The DLC also barely has any interaction for ANY cast member who isn't apart of those storylines, when was the last time you saw someone like Emma talk?I mean, Emma barely talks in the base game and really seems to be in the game just because they wanted an oldtype UC pilot for gameplay reasons. The Singular Point cast gets lines in the DLC packs even though they aren't really related to any of the stories in the DLC packs so far. They make at least someone from every show get some lines here and there, aside from the Witch cast.
>>23949248>vibes [...] was
>>23955155>internet message board>proper grammarChoose one.
>>23955155Do you expect someone that says "NTR vibes" to be anything other than a non-white?
>>23950913>They very clearly said they finalized the game's story layout before S1 even ended.They didn't. The game came out after it ended.
>built up as a major player>takes the fall for literally everything so the bad bitch he fumbled can go get fingerbanged by a cripple who now doesn't have to feel sad about her mom getting jail time
>>23958788>They didn't. The game came out after it ended.>how does game development workIt's amazing how they can literally come on stream and explain these things and people don't realize that just because a game came out after something doesn't mean they can hapazardly redo the game.
>>23958797I don't get why the writers hated his character so much
>prologue is a very well done setup to the world >spend at least 90% of the screentime dicking around rather than doing anything with it. You know what? I'm still mad. Genuinely the more I remember about the show, the angrier I get. The worst part is every now and then they would show just a glimmer of competence that made it look like they were steering the ship around to keep stringing me along and suddenly there's 2 episodes left and it's a big fuckoff lights festival.
>>23958821Is pic somehow related?
>>23958821It's okay, the transhumanism plotline was wrapped up by Eri becoming a keychain and also quiet zero becoming a completely accidental artificial afterlife so the characters can have a forgiveness party for 2 minutes before it dissolves into rainbow powder >>23958820If you take the idea that he's a rewrite of Akio by a Utena fan who hates Akio fucking everyone it makes sense why they wrote Shaddiq to branches pathetic loser
>>23960806>it dissolves into rainbow powder
>>23958821>I'm still mad.Is pic somehow related?
>>23943945Bob looks a suspicious lot like Guel.
>>23937344>vibes [...] was
>>23977643>nigger [...] sneed
>>23977675You have to go back.
>>23906002Not quite /m/ but definitely adjacent, that is basically what they did in Planetes, Claire survives the events of the story but ends up (completely justifiably) in prison for her role in the SDF's crimes. showing some degree of reform when visited by some of the Toybox crew. She doesn't magically change all her views overnight, but acknowledges what she and her allies did was wrong and regrets the deaths suffered as a result of their extremism. Elnora had none of that in G-witch, she even got to have Eri "revive" as a Tamagotchi and that just left me with a bitter taste in the mouth.
>>23906002Do prisons even allow data ghosts to visit?
>>23906002>>23906019She seems unresponsive, wouldn't she be considered literally incapable of being in prison
>>23985072Doesn't have to be an maximum security prison with 8x8 cell rooms. Maybe a mental institution, because those are hardly different from the former as far as I'm concerned.
>>23986090I thought in Japan if someone is deemed to be too incompetent to stand trial and shows zero sign of improvement for their mental facilities they just let them go, Katejina would probably be let free too
>>23906035>YazanConfirmed to have died in ZZ>KatejinaFate worse than death>GuinDiversity>and Mask.Him getting away with it is the entire point, he's supposed to represent a contemporary victim narrative grandstanding israeli jew using fake narratives about the holocaust to justify committing mass genocide
>>23986504>Confirmed to have died in ZZHuh, no he's confirmed to be alive.
>>23986510Tomino literally said in interviews that he died the moment he fell off the frame in ZZ
>>23986518To be fair, messing with people is absolutely one of Tomino's hobbies.
>>23905926Everything Prospera does is justified because there was zero reason to kill all the staffing at Vanadis Institute.
>>23986510He died in ZZ episode 8, confirmed in interviews. Tomino said the height he jumped off of cannot be survived.
>>23986504>>Yazan>Confirmed to have died in ZZThat tomino interview is a fucking joke on the same level of "tem rey broke his neck in that obvious non-serious gag sequence" and just sounds like him being a contemptuous asshole saying "I don't care so stop asking"In any case the Johnny Ridden manga brought him back and Sunrise oversees the mangas these days so that's the canon now
>>23986765>>23986759>>23986523>>23986518>"G Reco takes place after Turn A"
>>23986891Actually a good point because Sunrise overwrote that stupid claim and Tomino bitched about how he doesn't get to decide the canon so Yazan's status should be taken to be>>23986765>In any case the Johnny Ridden manga brought him back and Sunrise oversees the mangas these days so that's the canon now
>>23986765>That tomino interview is a fucking joke on the same level of "tem rey broke his neck in that obvious non-serious gag sequence" and just sounds like him being a contemptuous asshole saying "I don't care so stop asking"i still hate that the fucker killed puru two this way
>>23905977I'd beef her taco IYKWIM.
>>23986930I wonder if they'll undo that in the future, they already kind of did with Evolve and Sunrise has shown in recent years with the G Reco/Turn A nonsense and Yazan that they're willing to overturn stupid shit he said in interviews.It's probably up to Fukui given her relevance to Marida and Unicorn though and he's one of those fundamentalist word of god is absolute autists so he'll probably stick with it.
>>23905926Just in like real life, it's better to be a dickhead and ask for forgiveness later, than it is to be a good person. People seem wired to forgive people that are bad by nature, but if you're a good person that does something wrong, even if for a good reason, you just get blasted for it eternally and punished even harder than someone who is a dickhead.
>>23906190>I liked the show but so much of the lore/factions/politics are either glossed over or told in supplementary materials or I'm just too dumb and needed explanation videos to appreciate it more.The show moved at breakneck pace, it needed to be double the length. Makes sense it was undercooked in those areas.
I'm still convinced the original plan was for Prospera's evil plan to be to use Gund-Arm magic to basically download Eri from the Aerial into Sulettas brain ("killing" Suletta in the process) as a way to resurrect her. None of the clone stuff makes any sense in the final version of the story.
>>23986765>tem rey broke his neck in that obvious non-serious gag sequenceI mean that much is obvious. It wasn't even that much of a gag the way it played out. Hell it looked like something out of a Robert Altman film.
>>23986930>puru twoAny relation to Ple Two?
Is she as bad as the grandpa in AGE which I only know of from that image about the statue.
>>23908748It means "Murder is OK if mom tells you to"
>>23992154hot
>>23905926Based, women should be allowed to be evil with no repercussions.
>>23994911They can with enough money and all the right connections.
>>23992154Doubt that;d hold up in a court of law.
>>24001568Just get a brown dude to take the fall for you, ez
>>24001954Not sure I understand your rationale.
>>23986765>mangas
>>23986523Reminds me of that interview where he talked about naming characters in the original series.
>>23906124>She also didn’t start a warExcept remote-controlling a tank in a false-flag operation aimed at being a diversionary tactic, but resulting in escalating from guerilla insurgency to open warfare.
>>23908748She just played Pokémon and now she thinks she can pull of Metronome.
>>24013983to be fair, by doing that she also prevented space CIA from unleashing a horde of mass produced gundams
>>24013983That was the trigger happy guards who couldn't just hold defense from tank in their mobile suits.
>>23906124Shit just randomly happens to prospera's character to try and void her character of any responsibilityInstead of her killing Eri to make Aerial Eri coincidently dies of space flu at just the right moment to make it so that "the evil scientist lady turned her toddler into a superweapon to save her, guys, totally not for revenge!"Her own space cancer was some vague attempt to give her some karmic retribution. She gets stopped in her tracks during her evil plan and goes "um actually i'm a super cripple with broken legs even though i've been walking around perfectly fine this episode"She really isn't like Katejina at all beyond a surface level
>>23906184>any gundam past Age>worth watching
>>24014651You mean Age was worth watching?
>>24016943I mean people think Witch is worth watching.
>>24016946If nothing else it made for entertaining conversation with other viewers.
>>24016946I enjoyed the first season. Season 2 was so obviously 2 seasons crammed into one it hurt, though.
>>24019002Doubt it, at this point Okouichi has made so many "rush jobs" that it's apparent he simply can't pace a show with more than a handful of characters
>>23905926>>starts a war, killing thousands of people, including children at a schoolWait what, something actually happened? I got as far as the mary sue losing her auto win gundam and gave up because nothing was actually happening and even when shit kicked off at the end of S1 S2 immediately reverted back to slice of life garbage. Are you telling me something actually bloody happened?
>>24018981No, it wasn't. It attracted a bunch of pseuds who had just read a wiki article about Shakespeare for the first time. You fuckers don't even know what an iamb is and probably think it's a brand of dog food.
>>24020745Yeah, after that. One of the reasons she needed the Aerial was to start a false flag with it.
>>24020745>the mary sue losing her auto win gundamSee, anon, you don't seem to understand what a mary sue is. Curse be the day the sequels released. Since then people have completely lost the ability to actually understand the words they're using.
>>24020745>Wait what, something actually happened?Yes, but we don't actually see it. >mary sue losing her auto win gundamShe gets a better one that only she can pilot because it kills people. it doesn't kill her
>>24021452I liked the bit where suletta cried so hard that the character who's defining trait is that she hates specians and wants to beat spacians with a club suddenly decides to let her live in the earthian form because she has a dream of whatever, and apparently this friendship that was established in 2 scenes means the space-phobe is also tolerates Sulettas constantly antagonistic spaceian fiancee breathing the same air as her. Very good writing.
>>24021489this is insane
>>24021468There is a lot of (perhaps justified) shitting on Kira, but at least him being an ubermensch makes some sense in universe. He's the end result of some trillionaire and an entire race of designer babies eugenics project to stretch the human genome to its limits. Ericht on the other hand is the only person in A.S who is born with the super convenient gene that makes her pilot gundams better, sort of like if someone swiped a magnet across a computer and it generated them the schematics of a superweapon
>>24021553Well, Ericht literally grew up in the facility that was trying to accomplish this, the point is more that before more people like Ericht could come to light through research advancements the program got gunned down entirely
>>24020762Apparently we frequented different threads.
>>24021574So? Permet is ubiquitous in the universe for controlling everything from mobile suit to microwaves in the home. Why would Ericht be special?
>>24021574>>24021553Ericht just happened to be genetically perfect for the project by complete coincidence though. It's not like Prospera searched around the world to find a girl that was perfectly compatible with it or did anything with her daughter to make her like that, that's just how she naturally was. Still, Ericht isn't the protagonist, Suletta is, and Suletta was cloned from Ericht for those genes specifically.
>>24021897Suletta's her own bag of worms, since despite being a clone of Ericht she spontaneously manifests the ability to raise other people's permet scores despite that not even making sense within the universe of the show to resolve the plot. (Permet scores as a whole are a shittily written concept in the first place)
Can I ask a really dumb question? What am I supposed to like about Suletta? Is she supposed to be cute and sympathetic? What do you guys like about her?
>>24021905>the ability to raise other people's permet scoresThat doesn't happen.
>>24021907She's like a stock clumsy character from a 4koma pasted into the role of a gundam protagonist, but she's pretty bad at it. It takes her until the second school shooting to be ensouled and become cognizant of the world around her
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>>24021897Pure theorycrafting bullshit but I'd accept that exposure in the womb from her prosthetic contributed to some kind of tolerance or other change in development, which she attempted to replicate with Suletta. Suletta doesn't actually seem to be as resistant as Eri for that matter. Eri isn't even fazed by Lfrith, while Suletta has a more normal reaction to rawdogging Calibarn. Granted, Calibarn is itself meant to be less pleasant for the pilot in exchange for being safer.Eri and Suletta are also the daughters of two test pilots, if there's a genetic predisposition towards tolerance then they'd both probably have it and potentially pass it on.
>>24021913>ensouledI'm so sorry but what does this mean? I don't think I have ever come across this term before.
>>24021918Oh you meant that, I thought you were talking about the part where she overrides the funnels. The 'raising Eri's score' thing seemed to be more to do with awakening Eri's consciousness within Aerial and it came up several times before that. It was the entire reason Suletta existed to begin with, and why she was cut loose once she'd filled that role. Here I think it's just Prospera expressing amazement that she'd pushed it all the way to rainbow permet. Admittedly it's been a while.
>>24021929Would you watch this show again?
>>24021932I don't tend to rewatch many things but I don't see why not.
>>24021919>Granted, Calibarn is itself meant to be less pleasant for the pilot in exchange for being safer.No, Calibarn deliberately threw away any pilot protection for performance, it would kill a normal person almost instantly, which is why it was sealed and reamined unused. Suletta handling is so "well" (relatively) is all due to her being Ericht's clone.
>>24021489Bad writing =|= Mary SueMary Sue refers to a very specific set of attributes, for which Sulletta does not qualify.
>>24021968True I did kind of fuck that up. It was 'safer' in the sense that it could achieve a higher score for the same amount of permet if I'm recalling the explanation in the show correctly. So if you could survive piloting it at all you could push it further, versus Lfrith which was safer to operate in a lower range, and we saw what happened when you tried higher.
>>24021980List them.
>>24021992Not that Anon but my understanding is that a Mary Sue is a character without any flaws, is overpowered, and is instantly liked by everyone she came across. I think the concept originally came from a Star Trek TOS fanfic. You can just Google it.I don't know if Suletta is a Mary Sue, I just think she is a poorly written character with zero agency, and the entire plot just happens to her a lot of the time rather than her own actions and decisions moving the plot forward.
>>24022004It specifically came from a parody of bad habits in other TOS fanfics. Suletta being genuinely socially stunted to the point it causes her serious issues and spending most of the plot having no agency as a deliberate narrative decision, regardless of how you feel about those writing decisions, are fairly disqualifying.The original definition was also a pretty fanfic-specific thing since it's heavily related to the way that someone's OC relates to the existing characters of a given property.
>>24022010>we wrote this character bad on purpose so it's actually good writing
>>24022015Where did you see me making any claims about quality? 'Mary Sue' doesn't mean 'bad character', it's a specific type of character.
>>24022016I meant the lack of agency thing. Having an MC without agency, regardless if it is intentional or not, is a horrible way to write a story.
>>24022019Stories about characters with little or reduced agency developing it are not exactly the rarest thing ever, anon.I feel like this is a conversation that's happened in many threads before.
>>24022022It has, and it will keep happening because I will never stop thinking Okouchi is actually retarded, and that people are only defending this horrible show because they like yuri.I am trying to think of an instance in actual literature where a main character's lack of agency is actually a thing.
>>24022025You know what? I guess The Great Gatsby, but that's only if you consider Nick the MC instead of Gatsby himself. I just fucking hate passive characters.
>>24022028Then don't watch or read stuff with them, I guess.
>>24022030I don't. I am just amazed other people are out here defending and even enjoying this shit. I mean I can't say I'm surprised given the average American reads at a sixth grade level and they really don't know any better.
>>24022036Well either you did and are mad about it, or you're complaining about a show you didn't watch.
>>24022038I am complaining about a show I watched two episodes of and then dropped, yes. /m/ is slow and I am banned from /tv/. Welcome to 4chan.
>>24022048Oh you're the two episodes guy. Jesus fucking christ you need to find something else to complain about man. Go watch something you like. Or even something different you dislike. This isn't healthy.>banned from /tv/Can't imagine why.
>>24022050It's an incredibly long story that goes back over a decade. Go ask /trek/. They'll tell you why.
>>23958821I feel the same way. Loved the episode 0. Didn't even dislike the show initially cause I thought it was just regaining some momentum. Then I realized it was half way over and still spinning its wheels. I coped about there surely being more episodes that just weren't announced.
>>23960792>>23970358Is this a faulty bot we got or something? I saw it in another thread on /m/ too.
>>23958821The funny part is that prologue was something they made after the show was fully planned and wasn't meant to be like the rest of the show.The promotional episode they rushed out with little effort blew the show it was made to advertise out of the water by not purposefully fucking things up
>>24022051Is pic somehow related?
>>24021881>Permet is ubiquitous in the universe for controlling everything from mobile suit to microwaves in the homeAnd yet none of them are dealing with GUND daily like she was, but we literally won't know what made her special because she both died and the people who'd research this is also dead
>>24022175the only thing rushed about the prologue was having it be the prologue not the inbetween seasons special episode it was intended to be
>>24022360>none of them are dealing with GUND daily like she wasShe only used GUND twice. Once when the old scientist lady registers her on Lfrith and again when she takes over piloting from Elnora.TheI guess there's also some theoretical stuff regarding whatever was In those injectors that were given to her but I don't remember Elnora ever insinuating that the GUND researchers were experimenting on her toddler behind her backIn retrospect it's kind of weird now much the show tried to gloss over that scientist running human experimentation that maimed and killed people and then treats her like an innocent tragic figure by the end, but I suppose that's a Gwitch thing in general
>>24021881>Why would Ericht be special?Being able to be plugged into that control system and have no adverse affects.
>>24022399Except she DIED. Stupid Redditor
>>24022442From other causes. The gundam didn't do anything to her..
>>24022447Speedwatcher
>>24022522Fucking retard point to the moment where Prospera says she died because of the Gundam
>>23905926She was just suffering post partum psychosis so it's not her fault.
>>23926644The manga continuation have Eri becoming a talking bikes and giving lectures about Permet, Prospera is also slowly recovering
>>24022701>talking bikeAnon are you thinking of the AU?
>>24022714I love how everyone talks about how great the world building is in this, and then the manga in the actual world sold like shit, so instead they just made a high school AU because they saw how well OL Haman was doing.Just admit all you guys like about this show is the yuri, go post about it on /u/, and we can all move on with our lives.
The fact WfM s2 has one of THE best endings of all time, next to the general quality of the season, haunts me to this day.
>>24023427And G-Witch is the last 2D mecha show sunrise will make.
>>24023427For clarification: When I say ending, I mean the ED, not the show's ending.
>>24023433But also the show's ending.
>>24022799>OL HamanAre you really going to make this shit ass manga your entire personality?
>>24022799I for one didn't like SuleMio because the romance was not well-written.
>>24023618Nah, it is well written.
>>24023489You bet he will, or his name isn't Mashymre Cello!
>>24024061Why is the horizon tilted?
