Does Gundam Development Project ever lead to anything? The closest thing I can think of is that GP01 Zephy lead to prototype MK-II but that was in Gihren's Greed and not in the main canon
>>23909152In some spinoffs. Otherwise they're just old tech pushed to the limit. Movable frame is descended from the Alex.
>>23909152One of the monthly mobile machine articles in F90 FF or cluster mentioned that an article in-universe about a connection between the GP02 and Rick Dias(likely the prototype) was delayed which is intriguing
>>23909152Tomino's original intention wasn't for there to be a million Gundam running around. In High Streamer, there's the original Gundam, made by the EFSF, the two Zetas made by a rebel terrorist organization called the AEUG, and then the Nu, which Amuro has to piece together for himself without any official support. The Federal authorities were terrified of the Gundam because it symbolized Newtype power.
>>23909152literally everything afterwards which you can easily tell from the design language and features if you aren't fucking BLIND
>>23909154>Movable frame is descended from the Alex.Absolute nonsense. Alex is old technology and has nothing to do with movable frame.
>>23909154Movable frame was Mk IIAlex was magnetic coating
>>23909237>>23909256Straight from the horse's mouthhttps://web.archive.org/web/20250218103942/https://tamashiiweb.com/special/kaihatsuhiroku/efsf/rgm-79q.html>The movable frame introduced in the RX-78NT-1 is also used in this machine following the RGM-79N, and it can be said that it has decided a new direction for mobile suit development that does not rely on Zeon technology.Probably wasn't a full body movable frame, since other source say the GM Quel only had a partial movable frame, but the technology was introduced with the Alex.
>>23909152>Coolest looking ones aren't made for anime>the prototype is the strongest oneeverytime with Gundam
>>23909276The writer of that article is very confused. Alex did not have moveable frame. Alex had magnet coating for the joints. That's what the writer probably meant. Moveable frame technology was created much later.
>>23909276The fuckking gunpla for the Alex is essentially Gundam and usually the mobile shit without the panels reveals the genealogy imoRetarded ass statement
>>23909152GP01 was combined with GM Quel/Hazel data to make the Mk IIGP02 led to the Rick Dias
>>23909598What's exactly did Rick Dias taking from GP02, the bulkiness?
>>23909548Nope. The article is actually correct and it's a direct callback to the MG GM Custom's arm profile, which says that the GM Custom's arms used the same internal structure as-is from the Alex but removed the guns to save space, and it served as the prototype for the movable frame idea. By transitive property that means the Alex was the first, since they share the same structure, except the GM Custom was the budget version without gatling guns. The MG GM Quel's manual says the GM Quel's arms had the movable frame structure, so it would be the first MS to have a true (partial) movable frame. The Mk-II is just the first MS to have a full movable frame for its entire body, but it hasn't been the first since '99. That got retconned a long time ago.
>>23909831The Alex is basically a powered up RX-78 Gundam. The Federation did not have the ability to make moveable frame during the One Year War.
>>23909154No. Alex was specifically about a Mobile Suits joints and reaction times being in-line with those of a Newtypes'. It's been a long time, but I also vaguely remember something about Alex's software suite and/or cockpit being something that the Federation used in future mobile suit development>>23909836It was literally meant to be Gundam 2.0 because of all of the technological, software, and mechanical advancements developed during the OYW put into it and to be given to Amuro but the war ended before they could do so. (Even if it wasn't damaged, I don't think White Base would have had the time to make the journey in order to pick up the Alex)
>>23909836That's literally never been the case. It's always had tons of new features the Gundam never had, like the 360 panoramic cockpit with linear seat, new control system for newtypes, might have pioneered e-pacs (they never confirm, but suggest the possibility the magazine looking thing is a prototype e-pac), hovering, sliding armor or whatever, which gives the NT-1 unparalleled range of motion, next gen learning computer with self learning AI, chobam armor, and more. Some old ass databooks even claim it could compete with 3rd generation machines in Amuro's hands and it would malfunction in the hands of an oldtype. It's always been a next generation machine. Either way, the Alex introducing movable frame is directly from Banrise. It's not up for debate.
>>23909836>Federation did not have the ability to make moveable frameThe movable frame isn't even actually as unique as you think. Semi-monocoque can move without the armor too, it's just not durable enough to handle the stress of live combat and doesn't have absolutely everything the MS needs to operate in combat. Bandai already retconned this ages ago to sell their Master Grade OYW kits. It's a design philosophy change, not strictly better technology. The main advantage is that because it doesn't strictly need armor, it can put armor just where it's needed, making MS and especially the joints lighter and easier to move. But you can already see in ZZ that they start going backwards and making heavily armored MS and just throwing more armor on top of the movable frame, causing frame problems like on the ZZ. >>23909868>Alex was specifically about a Mobile Suits joints and reaction times being in-line with those of a NewtypesThe only advantage movable frame has is that because it doesn't need to be encased in armor, it can just have less of it, making MS lighter and motors easier to operate. The Alex would be the perfect MS to experiment with movable frame because that's the entire point of the Alex.
eh, nothing new here, just the same old typical bandai revisionism. you guys complaining about the movable frame backporting don't know how bad it is unless you've tried to reconcile gelgoog thruster numbers or some other autistic shit like that>>23909894is the psycho zaku semi-monocoque since it can function with all of the armor removed?
>>23909651Overall body structure like the general fatter torso, wide legs, and slightly pronounced shoulders. The rick dias is basically the physalis slightly streamlined and with the head replaced.
>>23909152because it came out after Zeta
>>23910039Some sources also heavily hint that the Rick Dias descends from the GP02's body structure, which is the other possible lineage.http://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?p=240612>It's mentioned in the MG Rick Dias kit manual that the Rick Dias was developed using a pre-existing Federation frame. In itself, that's a little vague, but spinoff publications like Anaheim Journal have seized on this hint to claim that the Rick Dias was literally based on the frame of the GP02A.>The development chart in [Entertainment Bible] 46 also links the GP02A to the Prototype Rick Dias, which of course leads to the Rick Dias.>* From the Mobile Suit in Action figure data sheet: "The Rick Dias is a machine descended from the Gundam and Dom, and it's said that it also inherits technology from the mysterious GP series.">* A little more specifically, from the recent "Encyclopedia of Gundam": " The Rick Dias secretly incorporated knowhow obtained from the Gundam Unit 2 of the deleted Gundam Development Project."
>>23910050Also there's this scene in Zeta Define, which changes up some of the Zeta era MS development and tech of a bunch of units from how it was in the TV series. He doesn't care much for the way the GP02 handles, so AE ends up assigning Sumire (former Axis engineer) to work on Char's project and eventually she develops the Rick Dias.
>>23909875>new control system for newtypesAlex did not have a new control system for newtypes. It was the same control system as normal Gundam (levers and buttons), but just more finely tuned. And arguably it was considered a failure since the Federation had no idea how to make a control system for newtypes The Alex Gundam does not have a true psycommu system like Zeon suits. Therefore it will never be able to compete with true newtype suits like Zeong or Elmeth where the pilot simply thinks and the idea is instantly transmitted to the suit.
>>23910054I really hate how Gundam treats technological development. GP02 is only 2 years old in that manga. Yet Char calls it an antique like it's some 50 year old clunker from decades ago. This a serious problem for UC writing.
>>23909598What about Stamen?
>>23910073GP03 is the first MS with backpack binders, which are jointed structures with thrusters that assist with movement and mobility by allowing them to point the engines in more flexible and different directions, and move around like an extra set of limbs for improved AMBAC.GP01Fb and GP02A also had rocket engines mounted on moving joints but they are a little less developed in that they had more limited movement and didn't contribute to AMBAC.
>>23910060Yeah, aside from weapons, it's still top of the line.
>>23910039>>23909598I could easily see the Dendrobium Orchis and GP03 data being used for researching Hull Fighter systems
If the Federation didn't have Gp03, then the Delaz Fleet would have stomped the Federation with their Neue Ziel mobile armor. I know the writers just wanted to have two big mobile armors fighting eachother. But I seriously question how they went about doing that with the writing. There's no justifiable reason for the Federation to have created Gp03 Dendrobium in the first place. 1. The Federation doesn't like or use mobile armors. 2. Mobile armors are Zeon thing created out of desperation to fight the unstoppable hordes of GMs. 3. Zeon was already defeated. 4. It was massive use of resources just to create something that is used to "patrol" between colonies. 5. If the Neue Ziel didn't exist, then what was the Dendrobium intended to fight? A random pirate ship with one or two old Zakus? Yeah makes no sense.
>>23909152Giving Anaheim technical knowhow on how to make "Gundams" is the big one.GP03 and Gerbera's use of binders and stabilizers to help with AMBAC became commonplace later
>>23910056It is a conventional-style control system, but it was newly designed for Amuro to maximize his newtype reflexes. And the panoramic linear seat type cockpits are fundamentally different from the old OYW types. The old MG manual describes it as a newtype-compatible control device. So the way a pilot would interface with it is the same but the tech underneath it is a leap forward. It's not just the same old OYW tech like other suits. I guess a real world analogue would be like when mice went from low DPI optical sensors to ergonomic high DPI laser sensors for gamers. Also, the Alex's cockpit had the escape pod ejection feature too according to the v1 Master Grade manual. It's basically a generation 1.9 MS. The MG v2.0 manual also says it was made with the technologies that led to 2nd generation MS, but doesn't have much other details besides referencing some of the features. Bandai's getting lazy with the manuals.
>>23910060It shows the flaws of design direction. Isn't this the same manga where Amuro was throwing a fit because all the newer MS he tried weren't as fluid and responsive as the original Gundam? And a chapter gets spent on people glazing Tem Ray and his partner who co-developed the Gundam.
>>23910073Sub-arms maybe?
>>23909152>Does Gundam Development Project ever lead to anything?My orgasms, for one.
>>23910433Iirc it was revealed that Amuro was rustt and his true newtype potential doesn't awaken unless he's in real life or death situations. During training simulations, Amuro can't bring out his full potential because he knows the situation is fake. I think Amuro eventually goes to space and is able to shake off the rust and get his newtype potential to awaken properly without being thrown into life or death situation.
>>23910394>then what was the Dendrobium intended to fight?It was meant to be a fortress defender/moving assault platform all in one. The former because it was on La Vie en Rose, basically a base in itself, and the Orchis platform was to both take the modularity to the max (from the original Core Fighter survival thinking) and the pretense of it attacking something that was similar to the base it was to defend.Dendrobium Orchis weaponry was not suited for MS to MS combat when you look at the large cannon and missile designs. Remember, these weren't smart missiles. Kou Uraki only got kills with it by spamming multiple pods in a battle space. Orchis' high manoeuvre design along with its weaponry was designed to rush from one base as a moving fortress, completely suppress a base/ship by unloading everything without stopping, and get out quick. 0083's battles mostly did not have a chance to show its intended usage. The Stamen system was to give it battle capability in case Orchis was fucked and the pilot+MS can still get out, which rendered the original plan of Core Fighter II on Stamen kinda pointless to the point that it was taken out.It also spurred the development of I-field shield generators and its subsequent miniaturisation. Conceptually, GP00 to 04 all had some sort of justification as development platforms for different concepts.On the contrary, Neue Ziel is the one that came out of fucking nowhere both in terms of Zeon remnant resources/development, and Delaz Fleet's overall plan when you consider the GP02 theft to consideration.
>>23910482>It was meant to be a fortress defender/moving assault platform all in one.WHY>was designed to rush from one base as a moving fortress, completely suppress a base/ship by unloading everything without stopping, and get out quick.This seems like an extremely niche purpose just to destroy a Musai. Also an extremely expensive overreaction.
>>23910421>The old MG manual describes it as a newtype-compatible control device.It also said that the Federation was massively behind Zeon when it came to making Newtype mobile suits and technology. The Federation was basically guessing what a newtype might need when they made Alex. >It's basically a generation 1.9 MSThat's a bit of an exaggeration. If Gundam RX-78 is Gen 1.0 and Gundam Mark 2 is Gen 2.0, the Gundam Alex is maybe Gen 1.5I seriously question if Alex could even defeat Gundam Gp01 in direct combat. In many ways, Gp01 is better than Alex even without the 360 screen.
>>23910509>WHYBecause Anaheim Electronics, the war loving mech making conglomerate playing all sides, was storing a lot of their tech and staff on La Vie En Rose.>This seems like an extremely niche purpose just to destroy a Musai. Also an extremely expensive overreaction.It was not reactionary, they had fuck-you money to develop concepts to see if it works, throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. GP denotes the experimental aspect of the endeavour, so it was not designed to only counter Musais, but bigger hypothetical bases like asteroid bases or fleets or Axis-like dominance. EF commissioned it with foresight from OYW learnings and seeing where they came short and imagined what weaponry they can conjure up to ensure battle space superiority. GP00 conceptually tries to answer "how much latest new tech (at the time) can we strap to a standard size Gundam/MS and still have it move. Pro-tip: they can't.GP01 answers separate ground and space gundam loadout - "shit that's dumb as fuck, the only shared part is only the core fighter!"GP02 on weapon modularity support on a stable MS baseGP03 answers the question outward, what if your chess piece on the battlefield was half ship half unit, and you move that to take out strategic places instead of moving the main ship close to battlefield, and theoretically how much ship you can strap to a space-only machine with disposable containers.GP04 is the closest in concept, not visual, to the original Gundam. The best high-mobility general purpose single MS.Stamen and Gerbera were the most refined GP concepts, they just didn't have the screentime to show it. Hell Stamen didn't even get a fight scene, only detachment and firing into space.
Scirocco loyalists took one look at the Dendrobium schematics and thought "hey, what if it could transform?" And they did just that.
>>23910577On the Titans Test Team side, the TR-6 [Queenly] was tentatively called "Dendrobium II" and would've probably had that name if the Gundam Development Project wasn't struck from record
>>23910482>On the contrary, Neue Ziel is the one that came out of fucking nowhere both in terms of Zeon remnant resources/development, and Delaz Fleet's overall plan when you consider the GP02 theft to consideration.Neue Ziel is normal because Zeon always makes mobile armors and they love making lots of them. The only major problem is that Neo Zeon only (conveniently) sent just one Neue Ziel. If they had sent 2 or 3, then the Federation would have been screwed.
>>23910553Gp00 = The "Guncannon" of the GP series. It has the long range cannon for bombardment and sniping. Gp01 = standard general purpose suit. Gp02 = nuke suitGp03 = mobile armor Gp04 = high speed hit and run assault. No idea why it was canceled.
>>23910612>No idea why it was canceled.It wasn't, it was taken and made into Gerbera Tetra. Remember AE plays all sides.
>>23910612>Gp04 = high speed hit and run assault. No idea why it was canceled.Because it overlapped with Gp01FB
>>2391063001Fb was space-only and 04 could operate earth or space.
>>23910553Wasn't one of the reasons the GP project was hated was because some Federation officers thought it was a massive waste of money. Jamitov called the GP03 Dendrobium a disgusting waste of resources in one manga. So any officer who supported the GP project was pushed out of the military.
>>23909875The only major development was the magnet coating and pano screen. It wasn't a newtype machine.
>>23910060It's a bit older, but even then, the version they show off here is essentially the Physalis 2.0, this is an improved version based on the original and the OG would already be running circles on most Gryps Condlict MS.
>>23910664This. Alex was made and meant to be shipped DURING OYW and supposedly delivered by the end of it, there should have been barely enough time for Feds to simplify Gundam data and make GMs and less so for Alex to have a completely new platform. It was just juiced up MC Gundam with gatling arm and hard points for armour and a new cockpit, anything else would have been asking for too much.
>>23910664And about half a dozen other major new technologies that set the standard for 2nd generation MS. Anyway, it's conventional tech, but it's almost always called a dedicated newtype machine, because that was the purpose of the project.>>23910768Uh no, it'd be strange if the NT-1 was this big newtype project in development for as long as the entire V project and only added magnetic coating.It only took the Federation about 3-4 months to develop the first Gundam from scratch. Operation V started in April, first RX-78(-1) is rolled out by July. The RX-78-2s were rolled out by August. Show starts in September. The NT-1 project started development in August when the RX-78-2 was completed before they even have data from Amuro, the data just shifted the project's direction. It rolls out mid december when it's finally put together at Libot. That's 4-5 months. https://web.archive.org/web/20100407101257/http://www.ultimatemark.com/gundam/timeline.php
>>239103941. The Federation does use a form of MA, even during the OYW. Because that's what a Gundam docked with the G-Fighter is, even if it's not explicitly called an MA. And the Dendrobium is really just that, a radical evolution of the G-Armor.2. No, Zeon already had MAs before EF deployed GMs. 3. Zeon was defeated, but remnants were known to exist.4. Who knows, maybe they wanted it to assault Axis at the Asteroid belt. Besides, the EF would have likely took lessons from OYW and threw a lot of money into concepts they might need to use for future conflicts.5. Again, the remnant threat is known.
