Do you prefer Hathway Novel or movie designs?
>>23909497It's a toss up, but Emeralda and Kenneth are improvements, the rest are either slightly changed, or worse.
>>23909534>Emeralda and Kenneth are improvementsthey got mexicaned?
>>23909497You're mixing up novel and g gen designs and acting like they're one thing.But either way movie designs are so much better it's not even funny
Novel Gigi is way prettier. The art style is just simply better to start with, but the movie version looks like a Pokemon character.
>>23909497Novel designs feel more "UC". They look like characters that would show up in the late 80s Gundam anime.
>>23909638so, an improvement
>>23909641Correct on both parts. The G Gen stuff is all stupid, just like giving the Xi Gundam a blue chest. The novels only hae like a dozen images total so Emerelda and Gawman aren't pictured. Kenneth is almost a mix of the G Gen and movie versions with shorter wavy hair like the movie, but blonde like G Gen. That is novel Gigi though, which is why she is the best design of the 4. The movie version to me does a better version of selling the idea of "expensive prostitute" where the book version is more of a regular person vibe. If you like that design though, the part 2 novel has a picture of her in the bath and you can see her boobies. It doesn't feel sexy finding it in context because she's thinking about how much she pities the old man that buys her stuff and realizing she wants to be around Kenneth because of her daddy issues more than anything real or logical.
>>23909638Kenneth in the og looked way too much like Char, it was unnecessary, while Emeralda is ok, but the new one looks better and stands out more. The biggest issue I had with the other designs is that they're worse because the character now looks blander than before. OG Gigi, for example, has this look that makes her appear like someone's dream girl, bright, young, shining. The new one looks older, and I don't get this same sense of youth, I feel this js integral to her character, since see supposed to be an enticing, almost Lalah-esque figure.
I'm mostly ambivalent on the changes except Gigi. She looks much hotter in the novel version, I chalk that up to a better art style though because the design didn't really change.
>>23909497Sleg would be better with his movie design but blonde. You know I'm right.
>>23909497all are better in the movie except gigi, but that tracks because she's terriblealso this >>23909733
>>23909497The left are closer to the classic UC style of design. But i think right gives the Hathaway movies a very distinctive feel. I kneel to Pablo Uchida
>>23909497Why does modern anime love messy, unkept hair?
>>23909825>>23909497Yeah the movie designs do a good job of selling that it's very much a post-classic Gundam time period.Not too out there but very distinct from UC's "silver age"
>>23909497You should learn the differences between Novel and Game designs (which are hideous looking).I prefer Film designs but Novel Gigi is great too, if they had adapted this in the 90s then I wouldn't have any problem with that design.
>>23909646That's because that's when it was written and the designs made it was the 80s
>>23909891Movie designs feel like they belong to Unicorn. And keep in mind both Hathaway and Unicorn are supposed to take place before F91, Crossbone and Victory.
>>23910323I feel like movie designs belong go G-Reco with the wacky style.Unicorn had more retro style to it
>>23910542Nah. Unicorn looks like a modern anime and smells like a modern anime. Hathaway feels the same. G Reco has the early 2000s obscure anime looks.
>>23909497Why did he change the ethnicities of every character EXCEPT the white girl?
>>23909646>Novel designs feel more "UC". They look like characters that would show up in the late 80s Gundam anime.Exactly.The designs on the left stay true to UC fashion and looks. The designs on the right look like someone who rejects UC and wants to modernize it to fit their preferred design. >>23909991That's the point. Newer character designers don't stay true to UC aesthetics and try to force their own design ideas. Similar to how Unicorn and Hathaway have touch screen devices everywhere, but F91 somehow goes back to hard physical buttons and zero touchscreens.
>>23910709to personally annoy you.
>>23910709>Why did he change the ethnicities of every character EXCEPT the white girl?Because you can't ruin the Japanese X White girl pairing. Haven't you learned by now that Japan has a white girl fetish. They love Japanese male X white girl pairings in Gundam. MSG - Katz Kobayashi X Fraw Bo(also Mirai X Sleggar X Cameron)08th MS Team - Shiro X Aina X Kiki0083 - Kou X NinaZeta - Katz Kobayashi X SarahCCA - Hathaway X QuessUnicorn - Banagher X AudreyNT - Jona X RitaHathaway - Hathaway X Kelia X GigiGundam F91 - Seabook X Cecily Gundam G - Domon X RainGundam Wing - Heero X RelinaI genuinely can't think of a Gundam story where a male Japanese main character gets with a female Japanese main character. It's usually white girl x Japanese character.
>>23910726Is this a bot post? Most of those male characters aren't Japanese (or are half at best). Hell Domon and Rain are both from Neo Japan. Did you get confused by Katz being adopted by Hayato?
>>23910737>Most of those male characters are not JapaneseAll of them are. >(or are half at best)Half Japanese is still Japanese. You MIGHT have an argument if they were quarter Japanese or less. >Did you get confused by Katz being adopted by Hayato?Katz is Japanese. Both ethnically and through adoption with Hayato.
>>23909497Bandai is getting some good ESG score for the racebending despite how Gundam is already a mutt paradise
>>23910737>Hell Domon and Rain are both from Neo Japan. Not that anon but funny story. She's white. Behind the scenes, she was originally part of Chibodee's cheerleader team for Neo America. The staff originally had a more traditionally conservative looking (black hair, Kimono, etc) Japanese girl for Domon's partner.But the Director didn't like her design and said she wasn't outlandish enough to match the tone of G Gundam. She was too traditional looking. So the Director took one of Chibodee's white girls, and replaced the Japanese girl. The Director said he kept the design exactly the same because he admired American fashion sense.
>>23909497Its hilarious how Hathaway made all the characters generic brown skin color. But they made sure Hathaway was still pale skin. You would think Hathaway would be tanned given that he spends most of his time outside, on the ocean, or fighting on the frontlines under the sun. There are plenty of tanned Japanese citizens.
>>23910774Americans complain about the weirdest shit.
>>23910777>pot, meet kettle
>>23910778>no argument
>>23910781You would have to present some kind of point in order to start an argument, dear thirdie.
>>23910784The point is here >>23910777, you had no argument because it's true.>thirdieIronic.
>>23910777>Stop noticing things! >Americans! What is wrong with you
>>23910786>noticing thingsLmao you are so mentally ill.
>>23910785>>23910788>>23910781>>23910777Take your meds, or I'll send Bill Gates and Oprah to gather more rape slaves from your village.
>>23910726>Katz Kobayashi X Fraw Bokill yourself retarded faggot
>ritual posters are herewelp, it's not like it was a good thread either, OP was retarded enough to take g gen designs as novel designs.hidden.
>>23910837Unless you are willing to point out how the novel designs differ from g Gen designs, then your post is worthless.
>>23910842Your whole thread is worthless you dumb fuck.
>>23910846>Your whole thread is worthless, you dumb fuck.I fixed that for you.:)
The moral of the story is you don’t let a Chinese-Japanese kid who participated in a war in his teens off his leash or he’ll go around seducing youthful blonde mistresses while destabilizing your government’s chokehold on the locals
>>23910762>Half Japanese is still JapaneseAre you okay?
>>23910859>or he’ll go around seducing youthful blonde mistresses while destabilizing your government’s chokehold on the localsYou have it backwards. Gigi seduces Hathaway. Dude has a thing for white girls apparently. Quess, Kelia, Gigi...
>>23909725I think the official portrait they use for her is quite unflattering, which doesn't help.>>23909666Satan, they also made Emerelda part Aboriginal I suspect to highlight the way that the novel already draws parallels between Australian history and the contemporary Earth Federation's actions.
>>23910712>Similar to how Unicorn and Hathaway have touch screen devices everywhere, but F91 somehow goes back to hard physical buttons and zero touchscreens.You keep yapping about this, but UC has always moved forward with the depictions of tech. Do you bitch about how much more cramped and detailed the 0080 and 0083 cockpits are compared to the simplistic and spacious cockpits of 0079? It's the exact same thing for Unicorn and Hathaway, and your whole "muh aesthetic" position is indefensible. Hell, the reason Zeta even has 360 cockpits and flat-screen panels was because Macross was released and Sunrise knew they couldn't stick with the outdated 0079 look:>The broadcast of 'Super Dimension Fortress Macross' in 1982 was especially significant. We imagined Gundam to be based on military equipment from before 1945, but Macross introduced modern machines. The incorporation of cutting-edge sci-fi elements and transformation mechanics into 'Z' likely stemmed from a strong sense that "we couldn't just stick with the old formula".
>>23911151Except Zeta happened way after 79, meanwhile Unicorn and Hathaway are supposed to set in the past, predates F91 and what came after it. There is no amount of copium will convince me that people suddenly developed a taste for realistic real world clothes in UC 96 to 105, and then decided to wear wacky 80s clothes again 20 years later.
>>23911151You missed anons point entirely. Why would technology advance rapidly in Unicorn and HF, but then regress for F91?
>>23911151One of my favourite little details in Zeta is in this shot where someone's bringing what're essentially two MFDs to display locked targets, they're first shown scanning space at a fixed angle before snapping onto the targets. It looks just like a TGP's camera feed on a plane when it snaps from sitting still on its gimbal to following a target. It's also a pretty far cry from Amuro having to bring down his X-Wing targetting computer to make a shot.That's not even getting into how Zeta essentially rewrote the entire mobile suit aesthetic in a fashion that now gets incorporated into any modern portrayal of OYW suits that isn't explicitly a deliberate throwback to the old look.
>>23911170Goddamn you are autistic and retarded.
>>23911151You need to factor in that the Japanese polite society, they often don't discuss underlying or unspoken reasons. Switching to a 360 monitor saves a ton on animation costs. The animators don't need to draw a full cockpit anymore. The cockpit is a random space background that they reuse over and over again.
>>23911191Other way around, now they always have to make sure the background at least roughly fits where a scene is supposed to be taking place. Much less visible environment and a ton of angles you can conceal it outright from in an original show cockpit. You can reuse way more of the total frame.
>>23911170I don't see it being much harder to swallow than the fan favourite RGM-79 variant being a Nemo that can do a Sam Fisher impression.
>>23911151>Do you bitch about how much more cramped and detailed the 0080 and 0083 cockpits are compared to the simplistic and spacious cockpits of 0079?It could be argued that Anaheim Electronics simply overengineered the cockpits and made it too complicated. It almost looks steampunk and anachronistic. Like what's the point of the random steam pipes and water handles behind the pilot seat? It looks more like a submarine.
>>23911211Could be part of the cooling system, though it does look a bit silly.
>>23911211Not just Anaheim Electronics, but both the Feds and Zeeks. At least the 0080 and 0083 zeek cockpits are consistent which feeds into the lore of the united maintenance plan
>>23911151>>23911191360 monitors were directly picked up from the previous show L-Gaim.
>>23911241I think it's a little silly in-universe, but I do love the UMP as just such a clear example of a writer somewhere saying FUCK when confronted with the absolute mess of Zeon mobile suits meant to fit into the OYW that are too visually distinct to just call subtypes of each other.There is a frustration at an unwinnable battle that I feel beyond the time through it.
>>23909666>Kenneth in the og looked way too much like Char>any blond hair is "Char"
>>23911207Unicorn designs are just whatever, everything looks way more advanced than they should have. Are we supposed to believe that these people made a handheld nuclear warhead, that had a common application after the war, and then fastforward to several years later this destructive firepower just doesn't exist anymore?
>>23911345>handheld nuclear warhead, that had a common application after the wardude what
>>23911359Beam Magnum existed way past Unicorn's main story. They figured out how to use the gun without RX0 units. All of these completely gone by the time Hathaway's story happened.
>>23909656G Gen Xi mogs the shit out of the movie design for the Xi.
>>23911370that's 0096 last sun which is same year unicorn's story takes place, not way past.>They figured out how to use the gun without RX0 units. All of these completely gone by the time Hathaway's story happened.because it's nothing special, other than being compact. ZZ hi mega cannon, Doven Wolf beam launcher existed before the beam magnum too and nobody's scrambling to give everyone one of those either.>All of these completely gone by the time Hathaway's story happened.and in real life we stopped building ship cannons larger than ~150mm. we phased out larger more destructive guns due to budget cuts and little actual need for one just like how jegans don't need mass production beam magnum to fight pirates and mercenaries because no real enemies existed until F91 era.>but what if you really really really need and want to have onewe have other equivalent weapons to do the job. in lieu of a ~400mm naval gun, we can use cruise missiles or bomb the fuck out of a target with jets. in the same way, any situation in UC that calls for a beam magnum can probably just be handled by a mega bazooka launcher, a squadron of rezel defender B-types, or sending in the nahel argama and its hyper mega particle cannon or whatever equivalent exists.
>>23911345Okay to be fair, I also take issue with Unicorn here. I just think it's more an issue of Unicorn's implementation of things than the pure idea of UC's aesthetic shifting a little with the real world times.For me it's the Jesta and the tacticool M4 beam rifle that goes way too far.
>>23911241>>23911257Why did the writers need to introduce the UMP for Zeon? The whole point of Zeon was that they had too many different suits and mobile armors with different maintenance and spare parts requirements. That's one major reason Zeon lost the war. They couldn't effectively provide spare parts for every single mobile suit and mobile armor they made. It was a huge burden for Zeon industry. If anything, the UMP should have been a Federation thing. All GM get the same basic parts no matter which variant is created. That's how the Federation streamlined things to keep production numbers up. The Japanese Gundam writers really don't think things through. They are in such a rush to give Zeon all these power ups even if it doesn't make sense.
>>23911613I think it's a desperate attempt to make some degree of sense out of all the variants and how say, an FZ can still be a Zaku II. And for that matter why it'd even be a Zaku II derived design that late in the war. Back when writers gave more of a shit about that kind of thing.
>>23911613.... You've literally explained why the feds didn't need to do that and it shot over your head. They didn't need a program for it because they literally were only making one thing.
>>23911633>LiterallyStop talking like a teen girl from the 2010s. It's 2026. The world has moved on. >They didn't need a program for it because they literally were only making one thing.Read properly. The Federation has tons of different GMs. That's why they should have been the ones to get UMP lore. Not Zeon.
>>23911627Why don't they simply say that Zeon had multiple mobile suit companies? Each with their own agenda, their own faction, and producing their own mobile suits regardless of what the military needed. Similar to Zeon political factions like Kycillia vs Giren vs Dozel. That makes much more sense. Embrace Zeon being dysfunctional. That's how Japan operated during WW2. Dozens of different gun manufacturers with different bullet requirements. Soldiers would be running around with multiple guns and multiple different boxes of ammo.
>>23911655Feds don't need an explicit one, it's already baked into the GM. Their entire mobile suit fleet is derived from a few variants of the one core design then modified to fit mission-specific requirements.>>23911667They do that too, but this is meant to be a late war attempt to un-fuck the situation.I do agree with you here but I also get the writing motivation to try and explain the mess rather than lean into it.
>>23911669>Feds don't need an explicit one, it's already baked into the GM. Their entire mobile suit fleet is derived from a few variants of the one core design then modified to fit mission-specific requirements. You say that yet RGM-79G GM Command looks different standard GM. The head unit and chest look distinctively different. Are you sure the head has the same avionics and electronics hardware as the standard GM? The GM Sniper has a completely different backpack and thruster layout. This is clearly not the same.
>>23911736Good job, you have worked out why there's a base design (RGM-79), and a few significant variants (Cold Districts, type C) that all the others are derived from. They're obviously different from the base machine but I see no reason to assume they wouldn't have a reasonable degree of part compatibility. A complex machine isn't just the shape of the box that contains it.You may notice I did not say 'all GM variants are the same machine' because that would be silly. I am saying they do a much better job of anchoring them around a more plausible family tree.
>>23909656>>23911397If the G Gen Xi had the white chest, it'd be perfectnovel Xi > G Gen Xi > movie Xi > Ka Signature Xi
>>23911740You aren't paying attention at all. I only pointed out a few examples hoping you would catch on. I didn't point out everything. Not only are the head, chest, and backpacks different but there are are other differences too. The GM commando is shorter than the original GM. The reactor is completely different with different output power. The armor is different with beinf titanium and the other being ceramic composite. The acceleration time is different. The top speed is different. The maximum weight is different. Even the cockpits look different. How can you claim they are United Maintenance when everything important is different. This applies to other GM versions as well like the Sniper, Commander, etc.
>>23911786I did not claim they are 'united maintenance'. I said they have part commonality and are derived from the same core design. Hence why I said I don't think there'd be any point to wedging 'actually they're basically identical inside' into the lore, the current explanation is fine.UMP is to try and explain how there can be a billion Zeon suits in multiple distinct design families all at once.
>>23911788>UMP is to try and explain how there can be a billion Zeon suits in multiple distinct design families all at once.But the 0080 UMP suits don't even look like normal Zakus, Doms, and Gelgoogs. They look like brand new suits. In addition, UMP only makes sense if they have the same basic super structure. The Zaku, Dom, and Gelgoog are all radically different suits with different outlines and sizes.
>>23911831>But the 0080 UMP suits don't even look like normal Zakus, Doms, and Gelgoogs. They look like brand new suits. that's the entire fucking point. zeon gave their weapons companies too much freedom to do whatever they wanted, so the logistics of dealing with all those unique parts and designs got overwhelming. To try to fix it, they decided they needed to roll out NEW versions of the zaku, dom, and gelgoog that followed the new UMP standards because the old ones didn't fucking work that way.you're assuming UMP was deployed from the very beginning when that's not what the lore says. zeon started UMP near the end of the war -because- their designs were all over the place and didn't share enough parts.
>>23911845If they share the same components then why is there such a huge performance difference between them? Shouldn't they all be similar ? They should be the same inner skeleton but with different skins.
>>23911848because there's a difference between sharing spare parts like the same hands and cockpit and sharing EVERYTHINGbefore UMP they couldn't fix a dom with zaku partsafter UMP they can fix a dom with zaku parts since it fits but it'll have lower performance
>>23911848>They should be the same inner skeleton but with different skins.That's what Mars Zeon does decades later but they still wanted separate low quality RF Zakus and higher quality RF Doms and RF Gelgoogs because they can't be fucked to give everyone higher performance, they want to segregate the poors and the elites in their military
>>23911788>>23911845They should not have even bothered with trying to shoehorn in the UMP idea for Zeon if there was going to be this many exceptions. The idea of UMP only works within the same family i.e. Zaku 1, Zaku 2, Zaku Cannon, and Gouf. Or Dom, Rick Dom, and Dowadge. Not UMP between entirely different families like Zaku, Dom, and Gelgoog. It's just too radically different. Also why would you want to repair a Gelgoog with Zaku parts? The whole idea of the Gelgoog is that it's a high performance suit. It's like trying to repair an F-22 Raptor with old F-14 parts.
>>23911857>10 billion Spacenoids>Several billion Earthnoids>But One Year War killed half of humanity with only 4 billion left. >Somehow population quadrupled and now even more then pre-OYW numbers.These Gundam writers do not understand how stable population growth works. ::facepalm::
>>23911893I guess it's just an excuse to have constant wars. It wouldn't be possible to have large scale war again after the OYW for at least 20 years.
>>23911857I feel like the Mars Zeon idea is interesting. But the writers to explain in detail the benefits of parts swapping besides the cosmetic look. Like attaching Dom arms gives the suit 20% stronger motors and pistons to better handle recoil force from giant bazookas. Or attaching the Zaku armor gives better cooling capabilities because of the large heat pipes. Just some plausible reason why the outer layers would be changed.
>>23911876>Also why would you want to repair a Gelgoog with Zaku parts? The whole idea of the Gelgoog is that it's a high performance suit. It's like trying to repair an F-22 Raptor with old F-14 parts.imagine you're a zeek engineer and you have a crippled gelgoog with right arm missing. do you tell your buddies they're fucked because we have to wait 3 weeks for a new gelgoog arm to ship out from the motherland and you're all going to die in tonight's attack, or do you slap on whatever you can find and fight with imbalanced and inappropriate gear?
>>23909666I feel like Kenneth resembling Char is meant to be intentional. Since Hathaway from CCA was meant to parallel Amuro.
>>23911627I remember reading that the Zaku II FZ wasn’t even meant to be a separate model, but a redesign correct?
>>23911928More or less. It was only decided at the very last minute that it was going to be called the FZ model rather than a redesign of the classic F type.https://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=12051&start=20
>>23911845Situation: there are five competing mobile suits.>We need a common internal architecture to suit everyone's use cases across designsSituation: there are ten competing mobile suits
>>23911916But if you somehow replaced the Gelgoog arm with a Zaku arm then you can't use the beam rifle because the Zaku arm can't fire beam rifles for some reason. Or use the beam saber. So you would have some weird Gelgoog Frankenstein that can only shoot Zaku machine guns.
>>23911918Hathaway is 2 parts Char, 1 part Amuro by the time he's in Davao so I really don't think setting up his rival as "also Char" makes a lot of sense.
