All and everything of Late universal centuryPrevious thread >>23878969
>>23914897Give me a late UC Gundam set in the U.C 0200's.
>>23914977>All the MSes look like Tiger and Bunny
>>23914972huh, never seen this before. nbaa
>>23914977
>>23914977Sure. What kind of stuff do you want in it or not in it?>>23915031I've heard this thing can explode at any moment...
I love how inconsistent the english names are
>>23914897Original op of the first three threads, thanks for making this, I contemplated on making another but was either tired and wanted sleep or on the possibly that another anon would do so, turns out it was the latter. Thanks
so how come vsbr can pierce a beam shield i-field but not a dedicated one? are they just extra lattice-y?
>>23914977Another spacenoid faction want to take over the earth and Earth Federation is useless as usual.
>>23915370how about earth is split into two factions now and a unified space takes advantage of this while playing both sides of the terran conflict. maybe ends in earth unifying because of a 15 year old girl
>>23914977Earthnoid is tired with spacenoid and Newtype bullshit and decided to creating Titans 2.0 to eliminate space colonies all together and forbidding anyone to go into space
I don't care for BESPA bug-eyes; they make their mobile suits look too evil. Mono-eyes and gas-mask eyes wonderfully pull off sinister but also neutral mechanical
Hot take: I want an alternate late U.C. that embraces the newtype myth instead of rejecting it and stuff like funnels and Psycoframe becomes the norm.It would probably be like X but with Unicorn/G-witch tech
Is Hathaway considered Late UC?>takes place after UC100>but all the main characters have ties to Early UC>the Gundams are still made by Anaheim Electronics>even the antagonist grunt, the Gustav Karl, had its first animated appearance back in Unicorn
>>23917000there's no unanimously agreed upon date or cutoff point for late UCbut for me it is late UC yeah
>>23917000I dont consider it late, but I include weird stuff like Mad Wang in my timeline
>>23917000I don't consider it late UC since a lot of the MS are still tied to CCA era. Late UC to me starts with the MS miniaturization leading to F91.
>>23917000Personally, I consider Late UC to be 109 onwards (rollout of Heavygun).
>>23916993It's a dead end for an action anime show that is supposed to show the robots clashing and not beam drones executing them.Also with further development, rather than funnels, you'd more likely see shit like miniaturized Angel Halos that locally induce Havana syndrome.That said, Late UC does embrace the newtype myth, you see mentions and related concepts everywhere.
>>23917000>Gundams are still made by Anaheim Electronicsit's not late uc
>>23918925apparently F91 is not late UC
F90ASD is coming to G Gen Eternal, notably its EX attack animation interprets the D-Pack grenades as Psycommu Grenades like they have been sometimes hinted at
>>23918925AE doesn't have ranks(?) tis but a misdirect away from scale maxing
>>23919017also a bunch of other F90 and F91 goodies, notably the first VOICED appearance of Charles Rochester
>>23917000Kinda? But also no. CCA is the end of the Universal Century story. F91 was intended as a sort of soft reboot and start of a new story that didn't have the baggage of previous characters and events to weigh it down. Tomino has been pretty explicit about both of these things in the past. This puts everything between them from Unicorn to F90 in various shades of grey and you have to sort of logic them into categories that feel right to you. Some are easy. F90 was written to tie directly to F91 which is for sure late UC so it is also late UC. Unicorn is literally about the concept of the Universal Century so it's not really late. With Hathaway it's less clear, but I say not late personally. It is technically in the next century and has truly next generation technology with things like Minovski flight, plus Tomino first came up with the idea of "a tragedy about Hathaway" when he was first workshopping Hi-Streamer as something to move beyond "Gundam" and break from the story that had been told to that point. Sounds in keeping with the whole point of late UC to me. It is however just so much a direct epilogue/afterword to CCA that I can't move it across that line in my mind.
>>23918925Silhouette Formula bros?
imagine if we get a RF of this mofo
F99R Gundam, completely unrelated to F99 Record BreakerSure does look similar to Victory and Shokew tho
Gundam Ace's newest issue came out roughly 42 minutes ago so expect pics and stuff from the new Cluster chapter and Mobile Machine within a couple hours
>>23920496SIKE
>>23920497MPT Zeta my beloved...
>>23920497D GUNDAM FIRSTMP Zeta>Based on Zeta, lost to MP Hyaku>Project was shelved but the design was robust, well regarded and easy to mass produce so it was used as a testbed for later machinesMP Hyaku Shiki Kai>Small number mass produced for ace use>A few derivatives, allegedly also used by Londo Bell>Present day - UC 0116 - is the most peaceful era in human history>The nation-state framework has been completely eroded>Small scale terrorism happens, but it's treated as criminal offences>"War" and "diplomacy" are returning to Middle Ages dictionaries>But military history is still important>si vis pacem, para bellum---D Gundam First--->Developed by Monotone Mouse, strictly a Worker rather than Suit>they also created worker machines like Zaku Head, Dom Head and Petit Baundy>D stands out since it's the size of a MS, with all the standards of 2nd gen suits like movable frame>It was not unheard of for private parties to own military surplus and replica MSs after the OYW>whether for sport, security or construction>but it's unprecedented for a single person in a start up venture to design an entire 2nd gen MS entirely on his own>Darry Neil Guns constructed it debris from Gryps Conflict and Haman's War>This was perfectly legal, recovered material is property of the scavenger--->D Gundam's distinctive feature is the Spince Concept frame connecting the otherwise separate top and bottom halves, enabling high range of movement and agility for work and combat alike>This is Monotone Mouse's invention but was later adopted in Anaheim and Zimmad military models>the head is a modified version of Hyaku Shiki Kai's>resemblance to a Gundam-type is just the designer's preference>The usage of this part indirectly proves a HS Kai model was used in combat and shot down at some point>The upper body frame appears to be based on MP Zeta and follows Zeta Gundam's structure sans the variable system[1]
>>23920519>Petit BaundyHave we ever seen it?
>>23920519>UC 0116We're back in time?
>>23920497>>23920519>MP Zeta's frame had remarkable durability, reflecting the excellent skills of Zeta's designer, Kamille Bidan>Referencing the MP Zeta frame, Darry took cues from other machines>Shoulder unit takes after GM Custom and its high mobility thruster configuration>In addition to the main thermonuclear rocket propulsion unit, the backpack uses a pair of plasma thruster units connected to the movable frame>Zssa's generator was placed between the main body and backpack>Praised for its high output despite compact size, the generator achieved specs on par with Hyaku Shiki's>While that's certainly overkill for a work machine, it reflected the designer's style>The lower body is also based on MP Zeta, but the leg structure with the characteristic knee bend appears to incorporate Barzam parts>It also includes additional thrusters for use in emergencies>The cockpit is spherical, but doesn't include a linear seat and has a specialized setup where the pilot remains standing>It's armored with Gundarium alloy and high radiation shielding>Darry often didn't use a normal suit, so this was essential>It also includes a toilet, refrigerator and additional water and air storage to accommodate long periods of work>The consequence of the high performance and ease of maintenance was very peaky and specialized controls, in practice only Darry could use it effectively>The control computer was taken from a Barzam and extensively overhauled, reworking the structure and AI system to focus on versatility with work equipment>Other electronics seem to be taken from GM II, Marasai and Nemo but are essentially standard Federation/AEUG parts and thus easy to replace>the armor is made to protect against debris and not for actual combat>the Gundam characteristics really come down to looks because pilot wanted them>That said, the heat shielding was enough to protect against nuclear explosions at close range[2]
>>23920497>>23920519>>23920531Interesting how the Double fake Gundam was highlighted, did the new chapter confirm its presence in some way?
>>23920497>Records indicate tools like rivet and drill guns were used in combat, but the unit also used a E-Cap type beam shotgun developed for RGM-89X Jegan and general purpose beam sabers>However it didn't have a fire control system and relied only on the pilot's manual control and could not achieve significant results in combat>It should be noted this unit is called "First" because it was retroactively dubbed as such after it was converted for combat use by the staff of EFF ship Arahas>there were numerous versions before the "First" too, equipped with heavy machinery such as shovels and bucketwheel excavators---note: I have no earthly idea what's RGM-89X. Prototype between Jeda and Jegan proper? Typo and it's meant to be 89B? idk>>23920522it has been mentioned before and I swear I saw a picture of it but for the life of me I cannot find it right now>>23920525no idea what's up with that to be honest, I think it might be just setting the stage for how things were like back then and my translation is just kinda clumsy>>23920538probably due to Double Fake Reprise releasing in the same issue. Somebody at Gundam Ace must have very fond memories for that manga since it's been referenced in MMM a couple times now like with Stark GM. And Guza showed up in last Pulitzer chapter too.
Since there was so much focus on the inner frame design might as well post this, Crossbone's twitter was hijacked by Double Fake and shared this in leadup to the manga release
And I'm not saying there's a connection but there's a handful of suits in a certain other show characterized by a Spine Frame design
Be cool if we get an entry for the GDs if they do more Double Fake stuff
>>23920555I really like the implication that the Gun defender is the successor to the Bar-Gm
>>23920544>I think it might be just setting the stage for how things were like back thenThe date at the very end of the article is the same.
>>23920566oh shoot right, good catchIn that case it's a significantly earlier volume in-universe. Pretty interesting, helps us explore the setting from a different perspective besides just the leadup and zenith of Zanscare
>>23920491It's a Gunpla unit.
crazy bastards actually did it
Heh.
>>23921211Huh, my blind ass thought those green weapons were just the Gun-EZ beam bazooka but I guess not, I never noticed that they're Nu bazookas in the wrong scale.
>>23919190damn, they remembered formula wars? i hope we get f90 v-type cause its cool
>>23920801what ms is that with the shot lancer?
>>23921346The one and only.
>>23921347the binders can fire beams?
>>23921211what do you mean gihren is just in this thing wtf man
>>23921349
the Death Guns F80s got some strange gear in the new chapter>Gunmad's is an O-Type with some kind of gatling shield>Dodonga's has weird chest, waist and leg armor, mirrored J-Type backpack without the cannon and a pair of G-type composite sword guns>Ian's is a Q-Type with an odd cannon added to the backpack and a mysterious double beam gun shieldSetting the stage for more mission packs or other gear for F90? Hope we get more info at some point, they don't look like references to existing parts.
>>23921631In this shot the chest ducts look like Messer Type-M's
There's also a Jegan B-type with Stark Jegan's shoulder missiles - notably, the shoulders are still B-type
And the Nu Hyper Bazooka as mentioned aboveBut also the Ground Gundam missile launcher in the background
>>23920491That's just Nobel Gundam sans hair
>>23920801>>23921587Oh wow it’s actually using the shelf nozzles as funnel based weaponry like the SNES game, well that’s one way to explain it
>>23921836i think it's armed with just vulcan guns though
Draig...
>>23921631>>23921632better pic of the whole lineupdefinitely New Stuff
Seerauber got some serious shit going on
>>23922496namely stopping the Moon's orbit which would most likely cause it to disintegrate and also destabilize all the lagrange points and pull all Sides towards the Moon and Earth
>>23922497how though
>>23922496is that his haro AI thing? lmao
Hardygun Night Raid really is just impossibly coolGOD I hope they give it a kit one day
>>23920545that’s too detailed to not be getting a RG or MG kit in the future
>>23920545>>23920549>They actually set up the Calamity War as being alternate UC
>>23922965IBO is not related here in any way, shape or form?
>>23919017On one hand it's kinda funny the "A" in ADS is literally just the beam bazooka, but on the other hand it paved the way for a weapon standard used for a good couple decades so it really is equally as significant as the minovsky flight unit of the pack.
>>23922340I like Relena's robot
So do we have any hints what AI system is in the Mars Gundam?
>>23923049not that I know of
>>23923049>The F90 Gundam F90 Unit 1 and Unit 2 was installed with A.I. support system to supplement the pilot's skill. Unit 1's A.I. system was based on the piloting data of Amuro Ray, while Unit 2's was based on Char Aznable.
>>23923818you don't know what you're talking about, you realize?
>>23921587alright then keep your secrets
>>23923821ok mb i thought you were talking about something else then
>>23923818I'd assume after a certain point they'd refine and upgrade the Char AI into a Type FF (Full Frontal) AI for a successor unit
>>23923049main theories I've seen are Full Frontal, Judau Ashta, Lalah Sune or not based on one person at all
>>23923824I don't even know where the Char AI data is coming from because I assume the Amuro AI was just the learning computer results
>>23923828...from Char's combat data? duh?
the other Crossbone X-0
G Gen update is OVERFLOWING with F90 love
>>23926146And then some! Look what’s making its video game debut!
>>23923828Sazabi. Its remains and data were scavenged from Axis every way to Sunday after CCA. Twilight Axis and Unicorn have some things about that.
>>23926422no relation whatsoever
Verethragna is just too damn coolGod DAMMIT give us the kit already or even just a lineart!
>>23926972
>>23923049It seems to develop further as Ivalu fights more violently and it's called an "old dream" of the same kind as what Oldsmobiles are fighting for.
Is F91 the only Gundam that have Newtype technology on it? Does Victory & Crossbones Gundam have any Newtype tech?
>>23927074Define "Newtype technology" I guess. At the very least Crossbone and some F90 versions have biocomputers. F90N, F90 V and F91 all have psychoframe too. There's a Crossbone with funnels in Seerauber.Generally speaking psycommu isn't some forgotten technology or whatever, there's even civilian use quasi psycommu systems.
>>23927074Very few of them have remote weapons or other newtype gimmicks unless you're looking at some Gundams from manga like F90FF and Cluster. The Victories don't even have psycommu, but they do have the ability to temporarily manage multiple Victory modules sort of like unmanned support units, but it probably works like the ZZ and Bawoo where the modules are semi-autonomous and just sorta stay nearby like base jabbers with limited instead of actively dogfighting.
>>23927107Victory probably uses the same Minovsky Control system as Zanscare's Zolo which can send simple signals through vibrating Minovsky particles
Stupid question warning, who is Charles Rochester referring to here? Isn't HE martian? He and his sisters were sent by Mars Zeon to infiltrate and observe Federation forces before, we had them in F90FF.
>>23920497oh yeah this one comes with a second MMM
>>23927819What does it say here, seems pretty significant to have two monthly mobile machine articles
>>23927843the gist is roundtable discussion about the D Gundam and colony reconstruction, I'm gonna need a sec to work through the whole thing
>>23927819[1]UC 0116 - D Gundam Roundtable DiscussionAll the people involved introduce themsleves but I'm not gonna bother butchering their names, don't think there's anything important here really>More details missed in the last volume>D Gundam's vulcan pod-looking thing is a laser communicator and there's a camera on the shoulder>It's truly a one-off made by a die-hard fan with no consideration for mass production even compared to the First or Zeta>it's a genuine one of a kind>Knuckle crushers on the wrists aren't for combat but for smashing apart debris and asteroids which has dubious practical viability>Darry is just like that and so are many spacenoid engineers>Otherwise we wouldn't be building 18m tall robots in the first place>the shield is more of a case for storing tools that's made to look like a shield>but there's also a proper gundarium-made shield for heat-intensive tasks>Monotone Mouse is a subcontractor for the Colony Corporation>Texas colony was relocated to New Side 6 in UC 0082 as part of the Colony Reconstruction Plan>Most of the project was about transferring colonies to Side 3 for repairs but politically speaking it's a bad look if only Side 3 and Moon profit from it>There's also the matter of "Operation Stardust" conspiracy theory>Hauzerie is in legal proceedings to release records of the incident but it's at least confirmed EFSF fired the Solar System II at a colony that was in a stable position>Not everyone treats Anaheim Journal's info about the GP Project as reliable>Anyway, Texas was transferred to New Side 6 >After Haman's War Federation imposed heavy sanctions on colonies deemed as pro-Spacenoid in UC 0089>"pro-Spacenoid" meant colonies that peacefully accept occupation by Haman's forces>her suppression fleets were sent to every side and many colonies were "occupied" that way, though quite a few welcomed them with open arms>such as Shangri-La on Side-1 trying to drive out the Argama
>>23927879>Otherwise we wouldn't be building 18m tall robots in the first placeTrue
>>23927819>>23927879[2]>if AEUG was treated like that Federation got an even colder shoulder>And in the end with AEUG defeating Haman both Zabi loyalists and supporters of a pro-Spacenoid Federation government were left high and dry>this is the backdrop for Engeist Ronah - from the AEUG faction - to propose the Second Colony Reconstruction Plan>a "carrot" to the "stick" of the sanctions for Spacenoids>it consisted of two parts - accommodating refugees by restoring colonies that were in a relatively good state and constructing "new" colonies such as Sweetwater>"new' since it was built from second-hand and recycled materials>the result was rather appalling, but it's the best the budget could provide>the new Frontier Side is also organized by Engeist Ronah, now in his capacity as the vice-president of the Colony Corporation--->there were many abandoned colonies>of course plenty were completely destroyed at the start of the OYW but plenty still had intact air, soil and ecosystems>Gihren Zabi wanted to purge the surplus population and leave the colonies for the "superior" race of Zeon to emigrate to afterwards>After the One Week War Zeon undertook projects to preserve the emptied colonies and their natural enviroments>destroying and then regenerating colony ecosystems was never attempted before>it's not like you can wipe out the human populace without damaging the enviroment>but actually there's a paper investigating the possibility, written by someone from the university of Londenion that moved up in the world apparentlydefinitely a reference to Carazzo before he married into the Ronahs
When you read Zeon as Zion, things make more sense
>>23927916Some do, some don't (unless you go into full conspiracy mode), some become extra schizo.
>>23927819>>23927912[3]>Back to D Gundam, the "Gundam" name is seen as special>With Amuro, Kamille and Judau all making their mark the Gundam started to be regarded as a symbol of Deikun's Newtype ideology>they're all aces of AEUG and Karaba and famous in underground circles>As machines used by these heroes Gundams demonstrated the nature of Newtypes to the world - something dangerous for the Federation>Federation, which even forced learning institutions to deny the existence of Newtypes simply couldn't allow Gundams to exist either>just like Old Century's nuclear weapons, the Gundam Team's weapons were sealed away>to this day Zeta's and ZZ's whereabouts are unknown>Londo Bell couldn't even requisition a Hyaku Shiki, let alone the Gundams>Even Bright Noa himself was seen as a dangerous element>during Gryps Conflict he sided with AEUG without a second thought for his wife and children>as such the idea of Bright and his Newtype soldiers using Gundams to start a rebellion and seize control was seen as a very real threat>Darry Niel Guns was simply a huge fan of them>To Zabi loyalists Gundam was a white devil that oppressed Spacenoids>But to AEUG Gundam was a hero who protected them>"Gundam" became more than just a weapon nickname and became imbued with political significance>Meanwhile SNRI's Formula Project is debating whether the F9 and F7 models should be called Gundams, whether it's appropriate for an official military institution to use the term>It's also popular with Mafty supporters>Maybe it's just a name, like the old F86 being called "shooting star" - it's ultimately no different and just a publicity stunt>And yet to quote an old science fiction work, "Style over Substance"lmao>We must acknowledge it does have a meaning and symbolism. We cannot recognize an object without a name. Once we have recognized it, we become bound by its meaning.
>>23927819>>23927929[4]>In other words, D Gundam - nothing more than a pile of scrap with just the looks modelled on a Gundam has come to be treated as a genuine Gundam because it demonstrated that power>Ironically, it became the only Gundam the Federation was openly operating at that time>General Staff HQ even wondered if "Gundam" should be a registered trademark. >Judau Ashta reportedly said that ever since Amuro Ray the form of the Gundam has been absorbing human will which has become the machine's power>If that's the case the name truly has significance>But then Federation would have already performed miracles with Ground Gundams...>In upcoming installments we'll be tracing the events that led to Char's Rebellion through the lens of the D Gundam>All the political foundations that led to the dissolution of the Republic of Zeon in UC 0100 were already present in that era
>>23927929>We must acknowledge it does have a meaning and symbolism. We cannot recognize an object without a name. Once we have recognized it, we become bound by its meaning.Narrative is about this
>>23927929>Zeta team & ZZ's MS whereabouts are unknownWe know that the ZZ went to Jupiter, I'm guessing the Hyaku Shiki and Zeta were dismantled and every part poured over and studied considering the number of Zeta variants and Delta variants that popped up during and after ZZ Gundam and beyond.>during Gryps Conflict he sided with AEUG without a second thought for his wife and childrenInsert memes about Bright being an unfaithful husband and absent father that contributed to Hathaway's problemsNice Monthly Machine. I know it's a bit OT but have they announced who is doing the story and art for the Double-Fake remake manga?
>>23924985Is there any art of the Crossbones when they were still just the F97 in universe? Pre-pirate larping gimmicks?
>>23927932>Judau Ashta reportedly said that ever since Amuro Ray the form of the Gundam has been absorbing human will which has become the machine's power>If that's the case the name truly has significance>But then Federation would have already performed miracles with Ground Gundams...Heh well that’s one way to explain why Amuro’s Gundam had such a significant earth shattering impact compared to the ground gundam’s, RX units 4 to 6 and the pale riders lol
>>23928479well the pale riders aren't gundams, they're pale riders
>>23928489I know lol
>>23928427>We know that the ZZ went to Jupiter, I'm guessing the Hyaku Shiki and Zeta were dismantled and every part poured over and studied considering the number of Zeta variants and Delta variants that popped up during and after ZZ Gundam and beyond.in-universe nobody knows Judau is still running around with ZZ and by the time Feddies took the Hyaku, Zeta and Mk-II most of their kids were already running around and the suits weren't anything groundbreaking. Sealing them away was essentially superstition. I remember there's one magazine story about the Zeta being found in some colony junk heap and restored as a museum display piece.
>>23928961True, true. What's next? Calling Shokew a Gundam?
I like Crossbone very much.
>>23929201Nice boobs.Also Haro
>>23929205Very nice~
>>23929205
>>23929205*Nyaro
>>23928961Font is a shitter of a pilot and his own suit is a hastily put together bootleg chinese V2 held together by Jupiter duct tape and hopes/dreams. But they still performed one of the most impressive clutch feats in Gundam. The least you can do is proudly call your buddy an honorary Gundam you space loli fucker.
>>23929312It is a bootleg Chinese F99 (not a Gundam either btw)
>>23929312>>23928961see >>23927929
Shelf Sheffield has shown up in the last few Cluster chapters, notably performing all-range attacks with shelf nozzles >>23921587 (I wonder what's the explanation for it). People might know him as the Vigna Zirah pilot from Silhouette Formula and for the unused Vigna Zirah Einzelkampf variant. I wonder if this thing will appear later in Cluster? If so, there's a decent chance it could get a kit one day too...
>>23928961The Phantom is an honorary gundam despite being a frankeinstein abomination
>>23929972I mean, it's a mix of Amakusa and F99, both of which could be Gundams depending on your perspective. Sure it's a prototype in the most derogatory way but hardly the first case like that.
I love the phantom so much bros>Created to be a Jovian Terrorism death machine and looks fucking evil but goes on to be a savior in multiple conflicts>Enhanced cooling system makes it expressive just like the other Crossbones, but even moreso thanks to its aura literally emitted thanks to the Phantom Light>Objectively kind of a shit mobile suit with tons of flaws, but pulls through anyway by sheer grit of both the suit and pilot>"Transformation system welded shut thanks to retarded Jovians? I'll just stab myself in the stomach and melt the locks lol. What? Going at Mach Bajillion with major structural damage to the suit is retarded? lol. Lmao even. So you're just gonna wait on your ass till you get nuked?">Unironically saved the Earth sphere from bioweapon apocalypse, but history will likely never credit themSo you got a suit designed for nefarious purposes while stuck with dozens of fundamental mechanical flaws going against its purpose of creation and goes on to achieve many great things despite nearly every factor being stacked against it.
Turns out the new Den'an kits are made with some compatibility with Vigna Ghina in mind despite the gap between them. I suspect this is another hint towards a Den'an Dei model kit, similar to Mars Gundam.
>>23930274Hasegawa's stuff is very shounen and I mean that as a compliment. The Crossbone series is honestly rather similar to G Gundam in spirit.
>>23930350nta, idk I guess I can see that but I think it's very true to Tomino's works as well, even if approaching from a somewhat different angle. I love Crossbone but historically really don't care for shonen stories
>>23930274>but history will likely never credit themActually, now that I think about it, was Amuro really the only UC protagonist that became a widely-known historical figure in-universe?Amuro got lionized with all the propaganda up the ass courtesy of the Federation, but I don't recall any other protagonist getting as much in-universe recognition.
>>23930405No idea about protagonists, but Scirroco's name name gets thrown around occasionally in late U.C., with it hinted that he played a part in influencing Dogatie and Kagatie and how they ran things.It's a little difficult to judge things since outside of characters directly name-dropping past characters there isn't much information on who had their names etched into history besides major political figures from the various wars and Amuro & Char.I guess you could look at the Monthly Mobile entries as evidence to what and who are still remembered inside UC history.
>>23922342All this to job to the Cluster Gundam in a few minutes?
>>23930350>Haswgawa's stuff is very shounenI wonder if we'll end up getting a remake or reimagining of Crossbone when Bandai turns its UC NEXT 0100 focus towards that era? Like how Double Fake is currently getting redone. I want to see the Cosmo Babylon Foundation war covered in full, and see another take on what the 0133-0152 period looks like through a different author's lens.
>>23927929Why would they requisition a shitter like a Hyaku Shiki? It's been long since established the Re-GZ is a near peer to the Zeta in overall performance. It just lacks a transformation and the biosensor, although more than one databooks say it can equip one.
>>23930511it's to show how low the bar is, they can't even get existing shitters, so to obtain better MS they had to help with development of new stuff like the ReGZ and Jedda by promising to help fund development or contribute to data collection or something else like that
>>23930505in fairness we haven't seen them fight many experienced ace pilots besides Dir Rider. And Lyle Wolf is just a different kind of beast.
I'd kill for another round of RF suits in GBO. Just found out through the SD game the desert Dom had a shoulder beam cannon. Love that shit
>>23929931>(I wonder what's the explanation for it)probably just a different variant with an experimental Psycommu control function. Not much different from how there's a Berga Giros variant with a pair of ASATs instead of shelf nozzles. That said this is definitely gonna be explained in a future Mobile Machine and I am looking forward to it.
of course it's gold
>>23932914A GhostA Phenix A DeltaOr what?
>>2393297230
>>23914897How well would stuff from cca era hold up in the crossbone or victory era? The nu gundam and sazabi looked good and nobody complained about performance, i have to assume they were top tier but how much more can technology advance? Does it all just become gimmicks?
>>23933221The older MS aren't slouches in terms of firepower, but they'd have trouble dealing with enemies that on paper are capable of moving 2~3 times faster than what they're used to fighting and with better mobility. Jegan R-type has thruster specs that exceed the Sinanju's and all Jegans aren't considered a match for miniature MS in terms of maneuverability or speedThat said pilot skill is a factor, you can definitely say that the CV have been training for actual war and probably had better training and for longer than the standard EF pilot, since the CV's entire point of existence was to outfight the EFSF with smaller numbers. No point in rushing training when their planning was already in the works for decades.
>>23932914The larger question is, how many people can it feed in a food emergency?
>>23933080The IBO style waist is really out of place with the rest of the looks
>>23933317it doesn't look anything like IBO
>>23932400color scheme kept goofy because it would look too awesome otherwise
Some mad third party company made B Gundam. I know it's technically OYW but since it appeared in Crossbone so I guess it count
>>23933376It's unarmored with no parts to cover it The modular design is a more primitive implementation of Turn X's system
Pulitzer finally brings up the question of Mars Zeon. Wonder if they'll show up in UC if/when that happens
>>23933721they've already shown up, quite a lot too
>>23933723fuck UC2 I meant
>>23933724that just wouldn't make much sense honestly
>>23933725It shouldn't have taken them 40 years to do something of note, but sure. The conflict will probably come from that Monaghan Bakharo guy anyway
>>23927916>>23927928
>>23933729it's already been explained why it took so long for them to actand trying to force them into UC2 which means introducing and depicting them when 98% of people have never even heard of them is just going to eat into everything else the story is going to be about for no real reason
>>23933820Thing is you can't really have Crossbone Vanguard being the big bads because by that point they'd only be formed for 1 year and the Den'an line was still in test stages, so the only suits they'd have would be customized Geara Zulus with goggles instead of monoeyes
>>23933888...nobody suggested Ronahs would be the antagonists instead?
>>23933893Wouldn't they still be fairly new by the time of UC100 and not have any power of note yet? Outside of sealing/destroying the Unicorns and psychoframes, we have nothing to go on about what the conflict could be, outside of possible splinter zeontards not wanting to get dissolved
>>23934138We have a shitty animated precedent for it in the form of Twilight Axishttps://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Mobile_Suit_Gundam_Twilight_Axishttps://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Birnam
>>23934142The Twilight Axis manga actually goes more into the rise of the Ronahs/Crossbone stuff
>>23933729>It shouldn't have taken them 40 years to do something of note,I mean, they were supporting Axis and then had a civil war.>>23933888>>23933893You don't really need to have CV / Ronahs as the UC2 antagonists, though I bet that they would be involved. If anything, they could be a third force that directly or indirectly helps or/and uses the protagonists.
>>23930274>Unironically saved the Earth sphere from bioweapon apocalypse, but history will likely never credit themIt's funny to think that CB Ghost was the only time that the entire Earth Sphere unanimously agreed on and cooperated on something. Most of the time, the chucklefucks here are trying to kill or screw over each other, but the threat of a Bioweapon being unleashed was the only time everyone in the colonies actually put aside their differences and grudges for the time being and decided that maybe frying that plague madman from Jupiter with the power of the sun was a more pressing matter.
>>23934379didn't they also band together to stop the divinidads? and axis?
>>23934383Axis and Crux Dogatie's wild ride were mostly taken care of the Federation themselves.Angel's call was burnt up by a massive makeshift solar array utilized by positioning the mirrors of ALL the side colonies. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but the makeshift solar array was the most cooperative effort in UC yet as pretty much all the factions that surrounded the earth itself pitched in to make it work.
>>23934138they certainly have quite some power at this point, they've been heavily involved in Federation politics for at least a decade at this point. They were one of AEUG's supporters and in many ways SNRI's creation was their project as well.
>>23934235I could easily see Angelo Sauper being idolized by a young Charles Rochester
>>23934631explain the logic here please
>>23934633Angelo defects to Mars after the collapse of Neo Zeon
>>23934678that doesn't make sense
>>23934897Anon that really pushes UC shit in those threads almost never makes sense.Which is sad, because UC2 is actually an interesting topic in regards of Late UC.
>>23934907The only other path is geopolitical drama with no fighting
>>23934907yeah he really just never stops does he?
>>23934908It would be mostly intercorporate drama with relatively small scale fighting, likely also featuring Manhunters and EF terrorists as proxies as it was positioned as a HF's sequel in a similar fashion as original Unicorn was CCA's.
>>23934934none of this has any logic behind it
>>23934936It is logical because it's subversiveAt least that's what anon would tell you
>>23934936It makes a decent amount of sense when you consider the parts Fukui keeps using in NT and Moon as well as considering general continuity of things. It would setup some things we had already seen in Cluster too without bullshit like "Mars Zeon early LMAO".
>>23934948Bruh.It is logical precisely because it isn't subversive. It flows neatly out what was before into what comes after. Regardless of how much things I don't like about Fukui's writing, he usually respects things that are already established.
>>23934953like how the whole point of Unicorn and Narrative is setting up Hathaway right? Oh wait, they're their own stories and this isn't MCU capeslop.
>>23934963Unicorn (+NT) is more about death of Newtype and Zeon relevance leading into RoZ dissolution and indirectly setting up F91. Hathaway's Flash was kinda ignored at the time, but it also isn't really that big of an event to need a setup beyond CCA.
>>23922965>>23933317why do people act like thin frame on the waist is an IBO invention? This is how Nu's frame is connected in the movie.
>>23935611That's nowhere near scale, Nu is fucking huge
>>23935737literally the first 2 minutes of the movie man, it's exactly to scale
>>23935740The movie is notorious for being off scale
>>23935768literally one specific case you mouthbreathing dumbass
>>23935770Nah he's right, that waist size might be barely large enough to match the OG gundam, but Nu is much larger
>>23935892
>>23935770Well now its two specific cases, friend :)
>>23935892>>23935899>>23935905Fin.
>>23935986
>>23936079so, it's accurate
going completely off topic in a frantic attempt to correct someone while completely missing the point is peak /m/ autismo
>>23936816holy SHIT rig contioI forgot that game even exists darn
so this was a slightly weirdly faced ZII right?
Rafflesia is always smaller than I remember, that thing really is a monster
>>23938329A Universal Century mechanical designer Hasegawa isn't. It shows sometimes.
>>23938806fuck off fake fan
>>23938329>>23938806>>23938849Isn't that machine part of a set of circus/clown-themed mechs? I recall there being a knife thrower with a fedora as well.
>>23938329Carmello continues the joke of spacenoids not understanding how natural bodies of water work
>>23938849>a REAL fan slurps up anything and everything without question!
>>23938910>>23938890The Carmelo has the unfortunate secondary bait of getting >Haha look at Crossbone its so stupidreactions from chucklefucks for its designs because they take its coastline sniping mode as how it looks most of the time. When in reality, it looks more like a normal mobile suit by default. The long legs bend and fold upwards to make it look like a thruster type backpack and it only goes silly legs mode when its picking off enemies in sniper mode while in shallow waters. It's meant to be good at one very specific job. Not to mention the Thoucus theming of being a Circus. You have the various suits representing the Strong Man, Lion Tamer, Ring Tosser, Knife Thrower etc. The Carmelo is obviously trying to evoke the look of that Rodeo Clown with Long-ass stilts. Among the Thoucus units, the Desphys, Kirjarugu, Bailarina and Galahad are unironically very cool and functional designs.
are people complaining about something not looking like UC just because they don't like it again?bring out the juice robot
>>23939050>Lion Tamer,Who is also the lion. So the only thing he tamed was ...himself.
>>23939055kinky
>>23939053Oh god I’m freaking out, what episode was this because I don’t remember the juice robot at all
>>23939057episode 30 IIRC
>>23939055This thing is cool
>>23939067>>23939055Curtis fucked up that thing real good
>>23939067Man, I fucking love the Kirjarugu.It's basically the Gaia Gundam, but with actual personality in its design.Though I find it funny that its pilot is just a Jupiter Empire guy that developed a homo murderboner for Tobia from seeing him in action during the Steel Seven incident decades ago.
I love the Jovian Freddy Kreuger mecha piloted by a Priest.
>>23939437>model kit never everfuck you bandai
>>23938849>>23938890Yeah, it feels incredibly out of place, even in Crossbone. Throughout UC the mobile suits have a distinct tank (blocky, armored, industrial) or streamlined jet theme, with organic and insect based MS that Zeon, Neo-Zeon, etc. like to do. Then towards late U.C. you get the CV with their goggles, and Jupiter with the alien and squid-like designs they liked their whips and tentacles Then you have the weird pirate gimmick with CV which looks a bit out of place, but an acceptable break. Then Thoucus comes along like a team of Toku villains. It just got weirder from there. Hasegawa is pulling a George Lucas where he just goes wild when there's no direction and is allowed to go on his own and things get weird with no anchor pun intended.
>>23936917That's the original fujita face before Katoki gundamified it
>>23939580is that a sword whip?
>>23914897After the second Hathaway movie anything that uses thrusters to fly seems so obsolete compared to Xi Gundam. Are there any Gundams in late UC that canonically float around like that?
>>23939603the V2 and Phantom I guess, the godawful F99 toothe whole mini minovsky drive is rare and expensive as fuck
>>23939580>UC the mobile suits have a distinct tank (blocky, armored, industrial) or streamlined jet theme, with organic and insect based MSyou can't fucking be serious here>muh bad Lucas direction oh yeah okay opinion safely disregarded>>23939603past a certain point almost everything incorporates Minovsky Flight or derivative tech to a degree, mainly as a supportive function because there's really no reason to just completely and totally give up on conventional thrusters. Even Xi still has rather huge ones on the backpack and legs.
>>23939603The Victory Gundam has a completely miniaturized and perfected version of the same minovsky flight that the Xi and Penelope use, except it's completely built into the tiny body and doesn't stick out at all, and you can't even tell it has one from the outside. Otherwise the beam rotor is the mass production development of minovsky flight and levitation systems, cheap enough for grunts to use. >>23939625Those are machines with minovsky drives, not minovsky flight. Minovsky drive produces beam wings and shits out massive amounts of minovsky particles for thrust, it even works in space, regular rocket thrusters become almost optional.Minovsky flight is using I-field for thrusterless levitation and pseudo-antigravity, it only works on Earth and not space, doesn't exactly move quickly and still relies on thrusters for fast movement. However it does provides massive fuel efficiency and balance benefits since the machine effortlessly floats at nearly any altitude and it only needs jet\rocket engines to move itself around, not to keep itself in the air.
>>23939830>it only works on Earth and not spaceThat's not entirely true, there's mention of functionality in space as well. Between asteroids, colonies and the lunar surface there's quite a lot of large bodies that Minovsky Flight can push against - sure, space is big but most fights are going to happen in the vicinity of those anyway. There's also potential for tactics where multiple units push against each other's I-Field cushions.>doesn't exactly move quickly and still relies on thrusters for fast movementthat's not quite true, Hathaway production team defines Minovsky Flight as capable of self-propulsion, explicitly mentioning Victory Gundam as an example of it whereas Xi's less advanced system is more of a middle point between Minovsky Craft and Flight and only has limited propulsion ability by itself
>>23939831Ooh, is that how they're explaining the Apsalus series having the ability to fly with no conventional thrusters? Learning new stuff every day.
>>23939833The Apsalus was just magic. Able to wipe out forests with shockwaves, vaporizes cliffs, and all sorts of other ridiculous bullshit powered by just a tuned up Dom reactor.
>>23939830Zanscare MS are usually hit or miss for me, but I LOVE Shokew. It is my favourite Gundam!
>>23939989The best fact about Iovian MS is that they built multiple models whose main mode of attack is ramming.
>>23940009Gyans finally make sense...
it always cracks me up how ST Jegan 1's color scheme is so heinous it genuinely looks better in black and white
>>23940062Isn't the ST gun supposed to be blue
>>23940431blue is the alternate colors for ST2 not ST1
>>23939830>Those are machines with minovsky drives, not minovsky flight. Minovsky drive spews out massive amounts of minovsky particles for thrust (creating a wing of light effect that varies from mobile suits); it even works in space, regular rocket thrusters become almost optional. Fixed. Also, it was first created for the Warbird mission pack for F-90, and the F99 were the first mobile suit to have one built in. Victory 2 could be seen as an improvement while the Phantom and subsequent suits have theirs poor implemented due to lack of knowledge and resources (Zanscare killed off the man behind the project).
I carnally desire a bootleg of F80 and more mission packs
>>23939856Is the beam rifle more Used Future or more Raygun Gothic?
>>23939830>>23940895Minovsky drives use magnetism from I-fields to propel the gundam forward. They're literally called minovsky force fields. The wings are just a side effect of the drive reaction creating ultra excited particles.
>>23941159Ah, Logic Drive
all these years and not a SINGLE bad design
>>23941939For me it's the fact that it continues to reach the new peaks with stuff like Grampus
>>23941939X-12 and X-14 are derived from the Amakusa, not the original Crossbone
>>23942007they're literally part of the same project and series as X-11 and X-13, just Jupiter-styled
>>23942007They are pretty much interchangable with X-11 / X-13, mostly just made looking more Jupiter like.If you're gonna cut them off, you should do so with the rest of the Jupiter Crossbone line that basically shares the same frame and engineering.But even if it was like that Amakusa did use X-2 data.
>>23942007What does that make X-11 Fata Morgana Vogel that uses X-12 Core Fighter?
>>23941939The 99 is fucking hideous
>>23942081It's meant for visibility as it is a "Race Car" not a combat suit.
>>23942081no you
>>23941939>Not a Gundam>Not even a CrossbonePhantombros....
>>23942191At this point Phantom has earned a lineup chart of its own to be fair
>>23942191Of course. It's a completely different transformable suit made in Jupiter, the face just looks a bit similar.
>>23941159>Minovsky drives use magnetism from the I-fields to propel the gundam forward. The wings are just a side effect of the drive reaction creating ultra excited particles simular to that of the Beam Saber; it can flap them like wings thanks to I-field manipulation. It's also the reason why the Phantom and other Mobile suits based off of its drive have less focused wings, they never got the I-field right.Fixed and expanded upon.
>>23942191>X-Shaped Wing Protrusions >Gundam Head>Equipment loadout is like 50% CrossboneI don't give a fuck what others say, it's a Gundam AND a Crossbone to me.
>>23942196Grampus would be on both charts at least.
>>23942191Technically it's a Jupiter mobile suit that were a successor of the Amakusa, which that is based off of data from the Crossbone X-2. The only thing gundam related is from both that and the stolen data from the F99 record breakers.
>>23942205Ironically, the Phantom and its derivative units created a line of MD suits that are actually more suited for army/general use because of its gimped MD output.Uso flew around in a suit that essentially had two giant Minovsky beam saber wings attached to its back that actively disrupted the field of everyone in the vicinity. He just made it work because he was a fucking madman.
>>23942207yeah that's the idea
>>23942212>F99 record breakersNot a Gundam btw, just shares Crossbone frame
>>23942219>Not a GundamNeither are the Crossbones."Gundam" is an Anaheim (tm) thing.
>>23942221let's disregard multiple official sources contradicting that, some of which were posted in this very thread >>23927929
>>23942191it is more of a gundam than many other gundams out there thanks to the feats it pulled off, not to mention being one of the coolest looking motherfuckers ever
Katejina WIN
I'm still all-in on the Draig stocks, the story is not over. I will always be all-in.
>>23942213Kind of weird that Uso just fell off the earth during the events of really late-UC along the timeframe of Dust onwards or even G-saviour.Can't even use the excuse of going off with Jovian hookers like Judau did because the Crossbone plots are closely tied to Jupiter. So like, Uso really just decided to hide out in a cave or something for the rest of his life.But to be fair, considering what the fuck he went through in Victory, I guess you can't blame the guy for washing his hands off fighting for the rest of his life unless it literally knocks on his doorstep.
>>23943440I think it's just a matter of not wanting to touch on a big mainline series characters in manga series that at this point are spin-offs of spin-offs twice removed.
man Flint is so cool
>>23941939I thought the F99 was supposed to be green, huh.
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