Here’s the thread to gush over Giant Robo, bitch about Tetsujin not being translated and hold a 60 message debate over whether Yokoyama really invented mecha.And top pretending that mecha with faces aren’t cool.
>>23917228Ancient Greek invented mecha
>>23917228Who are your personal best Yokoyama Star System characters?
>>23917228Gigantor is a better name than Ironman 28. Fight me
>>23917604I quite liked Sangetsu’s character design and overall vibe but he doesn’t even get a chance to show off his powers apart from jumping pretty high and running fast. If the SRW doujin is to be believed he can multiply himself too. I couldn’t figure out what manga he’s originally from either, maybe masked ninja Akakage?
>>23917228I'm still sad we won't ever get to see the Siege of Babel. It's probably better this way, the mystery of what comes before and after The Day the Earth Stood Still is part of the fun.
>>23917228>debate over whether Yokoyama really invented mechaDid he invent people commanding golems and robots? No. Did he invent giant robots? No. But he meaningfully codified the Japanese anime/manga subgenre of giant robots.
Manga editor Shin Aizawa (Super Robot Wars) had this to say today about Yokoyama souring on GR OVA and Godmars:>"I worked on the "Super Robot Wars" manga for many years, but the use of material from "Giant Robo" and "Six God Combination God Mars" was strictly forbidden. Why? I once visited the still-living great master Mitsuteru Yokoyama. The master's confession, tinged with anger: "I hate them. I hate that my own works were being treated like that." The tyranny of media mix."https://x.com/wingletter/status/2069385329292021821
>>23918415That's weird given that the claim behind Godmars is that Yokoyama himself told them to not to directly adapt his manga.
>>23918418Yeah, if this is true he must have felt distaste in his old age. Some people are wondering if Imagawa's T28 anime was the last straw for him.
>>23918446Ngl it explains why he gave up on sci fi manga after Babel II. I noticed that his 70s manga like Mars and Sono Na Wa 101 seem increasingly angry and needlessly violent, it was his way of asserting control over his own works. Then twenty years later he finds out that Giant Robo and Tetsujin 28 are bound in legal crap so you can’t make a straight OVA adaptation kek
>>23918446I thought T28 2004 was really great. Is that the incorrect opinion these days? I thought it was extremely entertaining and well done. Why would the original author be angry about it?
>>23918690Maybe Yokoyama was ahead of his time when it comes to getting pissed about endless remakes and adaptations.
>>23918690>Is that the incorrect opinionWhat the fuckAnyway, Imagawa's Tetsujin was good. A good open-ended question about the use of technology without beating you over the head with a moral lesson.
Ms Takamizawa walked so Misato could run
>>23921460And as long as I have a face, she will always have a place to sit.
Is this the thread where we are supposed to argue about that every single robot is a real robot aside from uhhh God Mars?Oh and that mecha was created for trannies? I think this is it.
>>23921502Shut the fuck up faggot. Kill yourself.
>>23922205t. someone who thinks Gunbuster is a real robot
Has anyone here watched the new Akakage?>>23918415This has been a topic on JP Twitter for a while but the sum of it is>Banpresto turned their back on Yokoyama for SRW64. He stipulated only Daisaku, Ginrei and GR1 to be included. They ignored him.>He was far more angry at the manga editors for including characters that had not been adapted into the OVA at all.>HikariPro hasn't been too keen on licensing characters they have more control over since the SRW64 shitshow, and they created Gan Eden to replace Big Fire after Yokoyama complained.>HikariPro don't license their characters in crossover projects because of this. This is the real reason why the Giant Robo OVA and original/2004 Tetsujin 28 aren't in SRW. Godmars and Shin Tetsujin are TMS-owned.>>23918446You're thinking of FX he didn't like. He died the evening the second episode of 2004 aired, and his only requests were "don't make Shotaro handle firearms" and "Kenji tricks Shotaro to lead Tetsujin to a burning furnace" because that was his original idea for an ending. >>23917631He's from Suikoden/Water Margin.>>23917604Probably>Murasame Family>Taiso/Dai Zong>Koumei/Kong Ming>Cao Cao>All versions of Ginrei>Akakage>Wolf Constellation protagonistKouichi and Yomi feel like one character to me but they're there too.>>23921460Truly under-appreciated character.
>>23917604I genuinely cannot name or remember a single one apart from the little boys and Alberto... Sooo Alberto. He's the only one that counts anyway.
>>23922871So you're saying he left an impact
>>23922897I don't get it but yeah.
>>23922941Alberto the Impact is his full title, anon...
>>23922871>I genuinely cannot name or remember a single one apart from the little boys and Alberto/thread
>>23922236It's as much Real Robot as Ideon (which is real robot).
>>23923957Ideon is a Real Nigga Robot
>>23923959It's real. All of it.
>>23917228Whos' the robot in the GR OVA opening who looks like William Murderface from Metalocalypse causing a blizzard?
>>23924106I thought murderface robo was from Mars originally?
>>23924106>>23924155It’s Uranus or Uranaeus from Mars indeed. It’s piloted by Kawarazaki the Turbulent unsurprisingly.
>>23924209>Uranaeus It's just Uranus.
>>23924366Uranus is also the name of the Aztec statue looking thing Ivan pilots.
>>23925206Ivan's mech is a dogu
>>23925206There's Uranus, Uraeus and SinFor some reason the Giant Robo OVA renamed Sin to Uraenus.
>>23929204>>23921460takamizawa!
>>23929204Cute
So to recap what everyone already knows, in the 50's & early 60's before the modern tankobon format because universal in the late 60's, Yokoyama did a separate book version of Tetsujin, an abridged & sometimes rewritten version of the original, & that’s what was reprinted for decades, the original serialization version wasn’t fully reprinted until 2004. The abridged version itself consists of the 7-volume "long-form detective manga edition" which covers the first chunk of the series, & the 20-volume Kappa Comics edition which covers most of the rest of the series (except the very last arc with the dinosaur robot Galon). I bring all this up simply because I’m morbidly autistic & obsess over stupid, meaningless statistics, so I did the math to find that the “long-form detective manga edition" covers roughly the first 6 volumes of the original serialization version, but in only 45% of the total number of pages 849 pages (give or take) vs 1808 pages (give or take). So there you go in case anyone else here likes obsessing over stupid, meaningless statistics.
>>23931323Try that again in a non word puke fashion
Just finished reading Mars. I kinda knew it was going to be one of those older manga with an abrupt bad ending but dang I was really hoping that things would turn out ok for the earth for once.
lanky manga neon blue Tetsujin 28>fat 2004 desaturated Tetsujin.
>>23929204sauce? I just get Lupin III images.
>>23918415Reading this, I would take this with a grain of salt. I’m sure Yokoyama has had reservations about adaptations of his work. I think he even respected Imagawa’s vision when making Tetsujin-28 ‘04 to some extent. But to think he has held this about SRW specifically would explain why his work unfortunately isn’t in any subsequent iterations of the game. Then again, he’s dead and we can’t really pry into why he felt this way. Maybe he was just a cantankerous old artist who found it weird and strange that his work is being used in such a way with video games.
What's up with Shinseikiden Mars? I can't find the english sub anywhere.
>>23917228When I saw this thumbnail I thought it was Brago for a second
>>23933548It used to be on anikai but iirc the only English sub comes from Malaysia and it hasn’t been ripped or subbed again since. The existing subs are riddled with spelling errors and the actual quality is dogshit at around 360p. As far as I know it hasn’t received a new DVD release since its release and higher quality versions exist only on Japanese streaming sites.
crabstick subs my beloved, soon becoming a lost art
When did you realize that Mars is Japanese The Day the Earth Stood Still?
>>23933695alwys stick obtainment can be with heart and machine
>>23933715Immediately. A lot of his late 60s/first 70s manga are adaptations of hollywood movies. Phoenix Queen is a adaptation of She for example. Yokoyama mentioned being inspired by Carrie to do a split panel in one of his manga.>>23933239Other tweets claim Yokoyama hated mass crossover IPs for devaluing his work in his opinion. It's why HikariPro intervened when a Akakage pachinko was made without their consent in 2011. Also see >>23922795
"Klaatu barada nikto">planet fucking explodes
>>23933808For as bad as the 00s adaptation of Mars was, I liked the alternate end where he just leaves the planet as something somewhat more optimistic. The OP song was pretty good too. If only the 90s OVA was finished.
>>23934196I really liked the design for OVA Gaia. Moderoid or chogokin really need to make a Gaia or Poseidon sometime soon. Shitty candy toys don’t do them justice
>>23934196one of these days I'll dig up whatever ROK shitheap boosted the ending to Marsit was one of the ones VF ran back in the day, but yeah at one point it's very obviously the scene from the end of Mars when he calls out
>>23933715Has there ever been a spin on that story that acknowledges that they're all like, "oh we don't like humanity being so violent & destroying everything they don't like, so we, in our irreproachable moral superiority are going to..... do exactly that ourselves."
>>23936500>t. Batman
>>23936500The original more or less does by making the obliteration from the Gorts clearly something applied evenly to everyone in interplanetary space.
>>23936500Maybe "The Gentle Vultures" by Asimov?The androids in God Mars are definitely one of the most unhinged examples of the trope. It's not enough for them just to blow up earth, they go out of their way to kill civilians. Do we ever see whatever race created them in any of the anime adaptions?
Wait so let me get this straightMARS the manga was the originalGodmars is the anime which just kinda used the name and premise but was otherwise completely different?Then there was an OVA more recently that was more accurate?
>>23937015From what I've read there's a movie version of the seriesA one episode OVA based on the series A two episode OVA And lastly a 13 episode TV show that may as well be an OVA Also several character and robot designs show up in Giant Robo
https://myanimelist.net/manga/77453/Giant_Robo__Babel_no_Roujouhas nobody read this? the site says it's six volumes and in the same setting as the animation.
I'm really enjoying Babel 2. It's a little crazy how Yomi went straight from "join me" to "kill this guy" though.
>>23937015Doesn't really matter, the entire IP is dogshit, from the original manga, to the God Mars anime to any of the OVA adaptations. Literally all of it is a waste of time unless you're curious about the origin of stuff from later crossovers>>23937126They're both psychics; they can probably tell they are incompatible with each other in an instant
>>23937015Pretty much. Mars is a manga and there is an 1994 OVA and a 2002 TV series based on it.Godmars is "based" on Mars the manga but in reality it's completely different save for a few same names and some other minor concepts. There's also a movie and an OVA for Godmars. >>23937169kys
Off topic but does anyone else really love stock phrases like "have you taken leave of your senses"? It's such a pretentious way of saying "are you crazy?".
>>23938067Yomi robe pattern is most memorable
>>23938067>are you out of your vulcan mind
>>23938067Suikoden's scanlation sometimes goes off with old fashioned english.
>>23938067>Not Babel psychically transmitting suicide messages in 101
>>23939180I thought 101 would just be Yokoyama’s last attempt to cash in on Babel II’s success but turns out it’s about Babel being a fucking menace electrocuting people willy nilly. A highlight of mine is when one of the psychics he’s taunting throws a whole ass car at a police officer after trashing a restaurant. + legit Ginrei>>23939136Same with Sangokushi. The dialogue when Liu Bei sits down with Zhuge Liang is almost Shakespearean but it works very well within the context of the story and reads nicely.
>>23939136It is medieval China. Kotoryuho has a ongoing translation that's much the same.>>23939968101 was made years after B2 to retcon the arctic storyline (that was a cash-in by editors to coincide with the tv show). Ginrei appears in the earlier Wolf Constellation, and its protagonist is a fusion of both Murasame brothers from Tetsujin 28. Kenji's brother is also Ginrei's boss in 101 as well and that's where he got his 2004 hairstyle from. 101 also has a ton of design reuses, it's essentially the proto Giant Robo
>>23940013forgot pic
>>23939180I haven't read 101 yet (I'm reading Babel 2 for the first time) but I hope it's even crazier. It'd be interesting if Babel 2 ended up conquering the world anyways just because everyone keeps trying to kill him in fear of his powers.
>>23940013I don't understand the need to retcon it, and frankly, that last arc of the manga is better than 101Getting rid of the three servants and having Yomi be completely absent until the final volume really just took most of the life out of the original story. The only redeeming factor is Babel getting cheekier
>>23940075101 is better enjoyed as a seperate original manga than a Babel II, personally. The magazine run wiped out all mentions of B2 and I think Yokoyama's intention was a original esper story that got rid of the B2 iconography.>The only redeeming factor is Babel getting cheekierI disagree. He's pretty serious and even self-righteous in S-101 beyond that one scene. He has a few boyish mannerisms and behavior in Babel II, even up to F-City.I reccomend you give the below read, even with machine translate. It pretty much matches my personal opinions on 101:https://vocus.cc/article/5f64a1fcfd89780001eac3c7The Chinese have really good opinions and tastes in Yokoyama's mangas and characters.
The Babel II manga was a big hit in the Korea, to the point where in the 80's they did their own sequel, Babel III. Too bad it's probably next to impossible to get your hands on.
>>23940095*recommend
>>23933593I bought the malaysia DVD for like 20 bucks after you made this post and it looks to be standard 480i, not 360p. Haven't checked the subs yet tho.
So the first 26 episodes of the original Tetsujin anime (the ones that adapt the manga) are subbed.archive.org/details/tetsujin-28-birthIf by any chance someone watches that & then wants to try watching the rest through the Gigantor dub, the dub's episodes are in a totally different order, so here's the guide for that. If you notice any Gigantor episodes unaccounted for, that's because, contrary to popular belief, some of the earlier episodes were actually adapted in Gigantor, those ones were usually multiple episodes combined into one.
I finished reading Babel 2. I really liked the concept but good god did they overuse Yomi. Mad scientist characters are their best when they're coming up with crazy plots from the shadows (pic somewhat related) but Yomi is almost always a punching bag for babel.
