We will get the Motoko from the manga.Not the autistic version from the movies.But I hope they will keep the same VA, I can't imagine other voice as being Motoko.
>who else is hypeddefinitely not me, that's for surefunny how patlabor ezy managed to look good but the ghost in the shell looks like flash animation from some loser's patreon page
>>23928247>who else is hyped?>But I hope they will keep the same VA, I can't imagine other voice as being Motoko.
>>23928247I wouldn't go full hyped by I'm very curious to see how a GITS that looks like the comics turns outpretty much the ONLY time other than this and the comics that GITS looked like the comics was the ps1 game
>>23928247Not me, I never liked the GitS manga. I only really ever like SAC
>big GITS manga fan excited to see what the story is all about for the first time
Why is prime hiding the 97 movie, that's on prime?
>>23928415very funny that the epicenter of manga GITS circlejerking is now pretending that no one actually liked the manga for any quality now that jeff bezos is bankrolling one with western anime fan fave studio du jour science sarufor literal decades you couldnt go one thread on /m/ praising oshiiGITS before some jagoff went posting about gremlintoko
>>23928415unlike you, i actually read man machine interface yuck[/spoier]
>>23928476Have you considered that the people who liked the manga were a vocal minority?
>>23928476>nowYou people have been a joke for a long time.
Didn't Masamune say he wanted every version of GITS to be different from his manga?
>>23928791Okokomokok I'm going to need a source for this. Also I have yet to get ahold of the show so ionno if it's the same as his manga, it just looks the same.
>>23928791The only interview I remember was him being bummed that Oshii's version eclipsed his vision entirely in the public's eyes.
>>23928247>But I hope they will keep the same VAisn't she dead?
>>23928476zoomers came to this site and only picked up the "be contrarian" aspect of the culture (zoomer upbringing makes them unable to learn events that happened before 2010 or engage in any subculture beyond superficial performances)
>>23928859About damn time they put the GHOST in "Ghost in the shell" to use.
>>23928863Yes "being contrarian" in this context refers to the retards pretending they read the manga.
>>23928866>pretending they read the mangaNta, I've read the manga way after watching the Oshii's movie and Iove the manga even more than the movie
>>23928796>>23928810https://youtu.be/vYqrVKiQVBg?t=1414
>>23928887The PS2 game is top notch fun, the mp specially, what a faggot POS video.
>>23928866why would anyone pretend, it's one of the most mainstream /m/ franchisesyou need to go outside more
>>23928890The PSX game and PS2 game are pretty dope. For some reason the PS2 game seems like something a Monolith and Obsidian collab would seem like.
>>23932528The movie and sac, sure.
>>23928247Speaking of VA, new pv for the OP theme. I still don't understand why they are keeping her voice a secret when we already found out by the theater leaks that it's Maaya from Arise.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYIT69zX8nE
>>23932558The manga has been up online all over for decades. I highly doubt people have to lie when they said they read it. 2.0 too. Appleseed and Venus the whole lot!
>>23932536>MonolithI can see that.>ObsidianNani?
>>23932649>>23932558not even, barnes and noble/chapters indigo has been selling the original run in hardcover for decades at this point
I did not care for Man-Machine Interface
>>23932536i think you mean >bungieconsidering how ONI like it is
>>23933130Ah yeah Bungie makes more sense, too bad Oni fucking sucks.
>>23928415He didn't say which manga.
>>23933048Is this how ppl buy manga? At physical stores? Do people even buy manga?
>>23933180>Oni fucking sucksNah, Oni was good for being an early PS2 game and was made by pre-GTA III Rockstar
>>23935921It's awful dude, boring and plays like shit.
>>23935996By early ps2 standard its average imohttps://youtu.be/jjLDztxYlQ4?is=6VklhIYtC3OFZbxu
>>23928415Doesn't the artist draw awful cuck porn now?
>>23935912It's how I read GitS, but I'm old. I remember when manga blew up in the US, and all the kids squatting in the manga aisle at Borders reading for free.
>>23936073>Doesn't the artist draw awful cuck porn now?Awful CG effects laden greasy porn, yes, but I don't remember any cuckoldry.Lots of tentacles, floppy machinery, bicycle seat dildos?, and weird furry shit.
>>23936073If by cuck you mean horsemen, then sure.
>>23936138Anything that isn't vanilla with a childhood friend counts as cucking according to zoomers.
>>23936142Don't forget if they have any shade of brown, which is funny since you hear less complaints with Orcs that are green.
>>23936135He is a man who looked at his fame and chose his passion instead. I can respect that.
>>23936073Lol cuck is watching you were sexual partner having sex with others. All the (black) guys in his comics fuck.
It looks like shit so no
>>23937986really? I thought it looked greatscience saru always looks cool albeit is usually pretentious as shit
>>23928247I prefer the mamuro oshii stuff with sprinkles of kenji kawai
>>23937987You are wrong. It looks like shit compared to the original.
>>23938016By original, you mean the movie, or SAC, or the Manga, because either way, you're wrong.
>>23938016looks better than SAC but the tone difference is a personal presence thing
>>23938074>looks better than SACYou are insane.
>>23938087Cool man don't force yourself to think and offer any point just throw an insult and sit back smugly knowing how much better you are than some other dipshit on 4chan
SAC was what GitS always should have been and is the prevailing version of the franchise for a reason.
>>23938339Nah
I was looking at the voice cast for the English dub and holy shit I swear there are only like ten VAs who dub fucking everything now. Obviously I didn't watch the dub because I have standards, but I feel sorry for anyone who does.
>>23938349Based Ken-Sama.
>>23938349>now
>>23928247Ghost in the Shell 2026 interview.
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>>23938349>SungWon Cho is AramakiFucking grim
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>>23938349>>23938369>tfw I'm not terminally online to know who voiced Aramaki to get upset enough aboutCall me cringe all you want, but the dub is fine- not on the level of SAC, but that's too high a bar.
>>23938372>chiyo is voicing the fuchikomashmm okay maybe this isn't so bad
>>23938339NahSAC is just "we dont have the license for appleseed"2nd Gig is just an appleseed plot lmao
>>23938404>implying the appleseed license is particularly hard to get
>>23938377He's that fat asian, prozac? Or something, the one that cried like a faggot that voice acting should be racially cast, and then got mad about not getting offered roles that weren't asian anymore.Hypocritical, fat, low T racebaiters should be put out of work entirely, not be allowed to replace dead legends.
>>23938422iirc most VAs tend to pull crap like that in the west due to how much of a shitshow Twitter can be. (Pretty sure Phil Lamar pulled something similar while still being quiet about voicing Samurai Jack, who was Japanese.) It's why I avoid looking into drama, because the more you look up, the more irate you can get. That being said, I get the hate now, even though I had no issue with the voices he's down based on performance alone; still should be paid peanuts due to karma.That being said, who would you prefer to voice Aramaki in English, out of curiosity?
>>23938377It sounds like every anime dub produced in the past 10 or so years because they all unionized and now you just get the same handful of people doing every role.
>No Borma or Paz cast commentsSo fvcking joever
>>23938443I guess so. I don't hate it, but at the same time it's nothing special.
>>23938447They weren't in the first episode, right? Maybe they'll get them in the next two episodes.
>>23938435I don't follow the english VAs, or any VAs at all, or basically any celebrities. I knew about prozd because he made such a nuisance of himself, and I know some other EN names that shouldn't be allowed near anything because they've been cancerous maggots as well, but that's about it.Ideally they'd find someone who can actually do the voice justice and isn't a race baiting grifter, but unfortunately that whole industry is a controlled clique of californian guttertrash faggots.
>>23938349>Western VA and localization is a nepo-circle jerkThe cracks were there with 4Kidz and then the Funimation drama, then Crunchyroll bought everything, monopolized it and institutionalized the worst of it.
>government run brainwashing centers for war orphans>the existence of said facility isn't the problem, but the fact that the people running it were using illegal technology is>they just leave the orphans behind and tell them "figure your own shit out" because dealing with them wasn't part of the mission >apparently government sanctioned brainwashing of refugee orphans isn't out of the ordinary in this worldSomething is very darkly funny about this.
>>23939569yeah that's the point. lots of dark political comedy in gits, it's very flippant about corruption and wanton destruction in special forces wetwork scene (this was all overwritten by angsty brooding after the first movie)
>>23939569it'll be funny if Science Saru adapts the part where Israel starts trying to fuck Section 9's shit up, considering the current geopolitical climate
>>23938422>voice acting should be racially castHe didn't say that
>>23939696He did and they listened. That's why he's been typecast as explicitly Asian characters for the last few years.
>>23939887there's proof of him saying the oppositehttps://youtu.be/2m_v6JZR-d4?si=tNQKWj8_Q5dijLSV24:39 interviewer ask a question for live action roles and if he's limited of roles to play26:33 interviewer says there's no limitations for voice acting compared to live action27:40 prozd is thankful for being not limited of his appearance/race for voice actingAnyways what's your thoughts on a black actress playing a Greek goddess for the odyssey
I don't like the fuchikomas, especially the mouths. Tachikomas are better.
>>23939980Kek this golem really defending some d-tier eceleb.
>>23940132nta but if you're going to shit on someone, at least get your facts straight.
After seeing episode 1 anyone claiming this is manga Motoko deserves to be blackbagged by the actual manga Motoko.
>>23940132That d-tier eceleb is somehow ruining the VA industry
it's perfect for people who 1) like bwight cwolors and 2) have no attention span left whatsoever
>>23940234It's mainly for people that claim to love the manga just to be contrarian about Oshii.
>>23940238same demo
>>23940134>>23939980That dipshit participated in racially based grifting, cheering for recasts, in a one sided and hypocritical way. I don't care enough to look for archives of deleted shit he got into on twitter ages ago, but "he didn't explicitly say fuck white people in this interview I found" doesn't change shit about things he actually defended regarding racial casting over some recasting drama shit.Did you actually listen to that interview, either? He is defending race based casting in the section of 25:00 to 26:30, that wasn't about live action.Dubs are faggotry, regardless, so I don't actually have any real beef with this shit beyond "oh look, another stereotypically lefty take from a stereotypically lefty group".
I don't know what to think. It was some bargain pulp fiction tech action show with some pretty pictures.Nothing has changed. Shirow makes jank, but the like 15 fps? Uncalled for.
>>23940238Why is liking the manga contrary to liking Oshii's take? I thought liking both was quite common.
>>23938377I don't know who he is either, but I'm tired of hearing his voice.
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>>23940703Same
>>23940699I think there are too many twitter-damaged zoomers here who have to fight about everything because they're retarded. The time where I actually used this site regularly ended a decade ago, and basically everyone here shared your opinion then.
>>23940699I wouldn't know, ask the retards complaining about Oshii.
SAC is the only decent piece of GitS media. Everything else is either pretentious philosophy 101 schlock like the movies or just plain shit.
>>23940749>>23940752I like how in one portion they played music that was similar to the baller PSX game.Overall action and backgrounds are good, it's the frame rate and stuffed perspectives that suck.
>>23940687>that wasn't about live actionClean your ears
>>23940234>have no attention span left whatsoever??????? A lot of the complains are about how much they infodump in the beginning of the 1st episode so I would say it's quite the opposite. If they keep it accurate they will infodump even more.
>>23940716nobody under the age of 25 uses 4chan regularly, this shitflinging on /m/-the mecha board is squarely on geriatric oldfag millenials
>>23940716zoomers don't use imageboards they use apps. Everyone here is 30+ years old at least.
>>23941494GitS is 90% infodump. This is true across every single entry in the series.
>>23941494>Complains the show is garbled tech jank>Manga from 1,000 years ago originally was garbled tech jankGee whiz
>>23942473>>23942493Are either of you actual oldfags yet somehow arguing about manga vs SAC as if the real answer isn't "both, and Arise was shit"? Because I don't remember anyone ever having these retarded spergouts before, so I'm gonna assume people doing it are either retarded, baiting or zoomers. Or maybe tourist fags who got into anime during the gay lockdowns and only recently watched either. SAC is more than 20 years old, and aired on television in the US, and I've only recently heard of ANY kind of retarded "manga vs anime" shitflinging about this franchise.
>>23942773Shut in spergs who complain about trannies 24/7 are hating on it because it's new.
>>23942773>I've only recently heard of ANY kind of retarded "manga vs anime" shitflinging about this franchise.As anime grows more and more mainstream the discourse becomes more contrarian and retarded.
>SAC Togusa is a loving family man and competent cop. His relative lack of cybernetics and hardheaded morals hold him back a lot but also help to ground the team.>manga/2026 Togusa is a borderline bumbling moron who kind of sucks at everythingI dunno how to feel about this. Everyone else so far I can kind of gel with since they keep the basic foundations of their characters, but these are almost two completely different characters.
>>23942775>Implying retarded opinion is associated with all reasonable people who hate troonsNo matter how much you try to force it on people, nobody will ever actually believe cutting your dick off and grafting literal cadaver flesh onto yourself makes you a woman.
>>23942790SAC is when they've been at it for a decadethis is origin story
>>23942810Sadly the dickchopping crowd had latched onto cyberpunk for the wrong reasons, they laugh about young men memeing about the joker and american psycho and talk about muh media literacy meanwhile they see a cyborg man implanting titties onto itself and lose all remaining reasoning (not that they had much left to begin with).
>>23942834Yeah that was another reason arise was so bad. Like right in the mango the origins was the cyborg lady with all this special tech decides the kind of blackmail the feds into making her police squad. It's not what arise said.
>>23942790Togusa in SAC and even the original movies was always the audience self-insert character.Least cyberised, most "traditional" career and personal life.The manga was just overall more wacky from Shirow's writing, and Togusa becomes the butt of the joke a lot of the time because he's not like the other members of the team.
>>23942904Was it true he had a wife for kid or was it cyber implanted in his memory like the garbage guy from the manga?
>>23942904>the audience self-insert characterNo, shut the fuck up.
>>23942923If I remember right you actually briefly see his wife and daughter in SAC, but it's ambiguous in other continuities.
>>23942923>>23942953>long time SAC fan excited to watch it for the first time
>>23942773There's been some, which I've participated in, but it was done in good faith with arguments and shit. What you are witnessing is known as "trolling" and "falseflagging", it happens when shitposters notice a controversy about a certain topic and decide to fan the flames by deliberately misrepresenting and exaggerating talking points that were made by the involved parties, so as to foment resentment, paranoia and butthurt.Personally my two main issues with the movie were :1) opportunity cost made it so that I missed out on a straight adaptation of the manga (this is no longer the case)2) It shouldn't be considered as the default entry in the franchise, because it's a subversion. If you don't know that, you're likely to misinterpret the movie as well as the manga. I know it happened to me and will happen to many more who watch the movie first.Point 1) is now moot, point 2) still stands.But you can't easily turn that into effective bait.Then there was always controversy about which entries were overrated or underrated, which is the same type of discourse you see in every franchise with any degree of prestige.This is the stuff the trolls are parroting and amplifying.
>>23943033>opportunity cost made it so that I missed out on a straight adaptation of the manga (this is no longer the caseGod shut the fuck up. You didn't even know about the manga before the movie came out.>because it's a subversionYou are an actual moron.
>>23942904>>23942790>and Togusa becomes the butt of the joke a lot of the timeOG Manga Togusa is a noob. He used to be a cop doing investigations, where six shots truly were more than he ever required. OG Togusa does just fine in Human Error Process, when Section 3 has to do actual police work. He's also doing fine in other Manga of the franchise.
>THE MOVIE RUINED THE MANGA'S OPPORTUNITIES this is like pretending gunpla sales will go down because of people watching the show it's featured in
>>23939569>>23939633Nah, the child labour was legal, the institution was legal - the brain washing was illegal. They weren't running brain washing centers for war orphans, they were running a child labour camp that attempted to keep the cost of managing unruly children down by setting up a brainwashing pipeline for all inmates. That was the crime.
>>23943067Yeah I was eventually proven wrong about that.But it took 30 fucking years during which every adaptation was trying to imitate the movie's tone. So excuse me if at some point over the course of those 30 fucking years, my pattern recognition kicked in and made me think that the movie's prestige was overriding the boost in fame it game the manga in the eyes of the people in charge of producing more adaptations.
>>23942997nigger I watched SAC like 12 years ago so excuse the fuck out of me if I can't perfectly remember every minute detail fucking shitfaggot
>>23943079>production IG makes more production IG stuffwoah>a popular movie inspires new contentno way!!!!>high production value widely available low barrier entry is favored in the eyes of the massesunthinkable!!!!!!!>manga fans, excited about the new adaptation spend more time talking about the previous adaptations instead of the new onenow this one is a real nogger jogger
>>23943110So you agree that my concerns were in fact reasonable.Thank you for explaining in greater detail the reasons why I assumed the manga might never get a proper adaptation.
>>23943114does it even need a "proper adaptation"? the movies and (most of) the shows are phenomenal, I don't agree with your "concerns", I think you are a joyless faggot with no hobbies
>>23943119Strictly speaking it doesn't, it's just a nice thing to have and now I have it. That's why I said I was worried that -I- would miss out on it.However, watching the movie first damages people's understanding of the movie and the manga. So if that proper adaptation had been made BEFORE Oshii took a stab at it, it could have spared us a lot of misinterpretations and confusion, simply by virtue of more people understanding what the default plot and themes of the franchise are, as opposed to Oshii's subversion.I certainly would have liked to have read the manga first. I probably would have, if a straight adaptation had been made first.
>>23943135if people are stupid that is people's fault, not the movie's or anyone involved in it, and it's retarded to think that by twisting the way in which people get to experience something you are going to achieve world peace or some other shit, you remind me of duel saying the age of consent should be lowered so people don't complain about minors being naked in anime
>>23943142>duelNta but who?
>>23943142That would be a fair point to make if we weren't talking about a Mamoru Oshii movie.Oshii loads his films with semi-obscure cultural references and expects you to have done a bunch of homework so that you understand that when a X character quotes a book in a very serious and ominous tone of voice, you're supposed to think he's full of shit because he's wearing sunglasses or because the thing he's quoting doesn't quite translate the way he said it.His films are puzzles about deception, delusion and misinterpretation, so he makes them easy to misinterpret on purpose so that you know what it's like to be in the characters' shoes.Having gone to Sunday school is not a matter of intelligence.Having watched a bunch of Tarkovsky films beforehand is not a matter of intelligence.Being familiar with Oshii's backstory is not a matter of intelligence.Having read up on comparative mythology is not a matter of intelligence.Having read the source material is not a matter of intelligence.Knowing classical Japanese poetry is not a matter of intelligence.All that shit is a matter of instruction and most of it is necessary in order to make sure you don't misunderstand the 95 movie.So I would very much have appreciated if, before watching Oshii do his thing, I had first been exposed to the baseline GitS experience so I could tell (for example) which lines were put out of their original context and why.
>>23943179>Oshii loads his films with semi-obscure cultural referencesYes.>expects you to have done a bunch of homeworI disagree, while knowing those things would increase your enjoyment and/or understanding, it's not necessary to enjoy a first watch, I think what he and other creators expect are for you to do a little digging around after your first watch and then rewatch, like discovering a puzzle that unfolds with each viewing.>His films are puzzles about deception, delusion and misinterpretationYeah you get it.>All that shit is a matter of instruction and most of it is necessary in order to make sure you don't misunderstand the 95 movie.No you freaking moron, millions of people watch the movie and have no trouble with it, you think people that like it all have gone through that list you described? I feel like you've been deceived into thinking there is one objective interpretation for everything and you are dumb if you don't get it the first time you consume it.
>>23943192>I think what he and other creators expect are for you to do a little digging around after your first watch and then rewatch, like discovering a puzzle that unfolds with each viewing.Yeah except it's not a gradual learning process. It's the type of movie where if you only have 50% of the pieces, you're gonna get it 100% wrong instead of 50% right. Just yesterday I asked a motherfucker what the message was and he went "ship of Theseus".So no, I'm not willing to take you at your word when you say millions of people got it right the first time with zero homework. I'm sure they enjoyed it, but I'm not talking about enjoyment I'm talking about understanding.Enjoying a puzzle without trying to solve it is like going to university for the vibes. Now that's fucking retarded.
>>23942773Just replying to a (You) to say I'm an oldfag who doesn't really have much of an opinion of GITS other than I like it. I'm sure most of the arguing is calculated negative social media engagement by brands that keep people talking and retards. I don't think zoomers use this site, at least I've never met one who even knows what 4chan is (all my friends have kids that age).
>>23943233I am using it and I am 26
>>23943233>I don't think zoomers use this site,You are delusional.
>>23943250>You are delusional.Sorry, without evidence I can only go by experience, which is 0% of a dozen zoomers I know who use 4chan. I genuinely would love to see a age breakdown of this site. Is there such a thing?
I'm hoping they see the success of this they do manga appleseed. After the oshii movies made everybody shit themselves they made that awful CGI movie in 2004. It was only after SAC got popular did they make XIII which was good.I'm hoping they follow the pattern here. Overall I like the show aside from the frame rate being all 2016 Berzerk.
>>23943308Appleseed has literally never had a good adaptation and they get progressively worse as you go.
Imagine a 40 year old boomer talking to you and out of nowhere he mentions /pol/ and asks if you know what 4chan is.
>>23943308>it is Oshii's fault Appleseed never got a good adaptation This is getting out of hand, next you are going to say it is Oshii's fault that the urusei yatsura remake was censored.
>>23943308>>23943332No, but it's really funny how the 80s OVA has so many Oshii gimmicks without any involvement from the man himself.
>>23943336This is getting silly.
>>23943110>>23943067Seems like there's been a miscommunication.Opportunity cost is a business term, it applies to the producers, not the viewers.In plain English, therefore, >1) opportunity cost made it so that I missed out on a straight adaptation of the manga (this is no longer the case)tranlates as>I.G. Production would probably consider a straight adaptation of the manga to be a less profitable investment than another movie-inspired adaptation. Therefore a straight adaptation will never get made. But then it got madeNot> everyone was too busy watching the movie to care about the mangain case that's what you meant.There ya go.Misunderstandings sure are a fun learning experience and totally not a source of frustration and butthurt, eh?
I for one, enjoyed the manga (except MMI, I didn't understand it), the 1995 movie, SAC, and this new show
>>23944405Yeah pretty much everyone did. Including those pretending they didn't.
>>23944405What about Innocence?
>>23944436nta, but my girlfriend wanted to watch that movie and we both fell asleep during it. I never got around to watching it again, just didn't strike me as that interesting.
>>23944467>we both fell asleep during itIf you like scifi, cyberpunk and/or buddy cop drama it's pretty good.
>>23928247Literal Satanist Propoganda. Thanks Soros
>>23944476So I decided to watch Innocence tonight and I didn't fall asleep this time. but I can't say it's a good movie. It has a lot of good things, but overall it just doesn't have the tension and release I expect from a 100 minute movie. It's not very engaging, feels propped up by special effects, and there is a lot of hand-holding. 5/10
>>23944912>there is a lot of hand-holdingWhat do you mean?
>>23944595>Satanist Propogandawhere did that come from? I want examples
>>23944922He's talking out of his fucking ass but you can make the argument that, since the story concludes with "conflict is good for the universe actually" (the example given being hatred and revenge as a fruitful connexion that helps the universe keep growing) then Shirow presents you with a worldview that broadly aligns with tantric beliefs. Which I guess is kind of close-ish to satanism? Even then, he's mostly just setting up the stakes and structure of his own made-up extended universe.
>>23944927appreciate it anon
>>23944920>What do you mean?The thing that makes a good mystery or detective story is how it well it makes the audience feel like they are a part of it. Often there will be a lot of show-don't-tell, giving the audience clues they can piece together. In the first act the audience is simply tagging along with Batou and Togusa, and all the characters they encounter feel disposable (literally, some get killed). The second act introduces the major and at least during the "brain hacking maze loop thing" the audience gets a little chance to try and solve a puzzle, but the clues are super obtuse and later Batou simply explains to Togusa what happened. The third act ends with the major and Batou discovering the ghost dubbing machines, the missing girl, and the motivations of seemingly throw-away characters from earlier in the story, but at no point was there any way for the audience to discover this on their own... it's just sort of dropped on you at the end to wrap up the movie. There are other things wrong with the Innocence but I don't think it's even worth discussing. Just not a great movie.
>>23944950Well you gotta remember Oshii generally uses the plot as an excuse to show characters getting sidetracked and bogged down in shit that doesn't truly matter and losing touch with reality. So it could be him trying to do that on purpose.I could be wrong, though, it's been a while.
>>23944942By "he's talking out of his fucking ass" I'm referring to>>23944595by the waynot to Shirow
>>23944954>So it could be him trying to do that on purpose.I can agree with that. There was clearly a lot of care put into the writing and the visuals look amazing, but it might be the case of not seeing the forest for the trees when it comes to making a entertaining or memorable movie.
>>23944962Funny you should say that. I read in an interview that at the time Oshii thought he had reached the apex of his skills with Innocence. Then he showed it to one of his favorite directors, whose shot composition he tried to emulate, and the guy went "yeah... It doesn't look very genuine though does it?" and Mamoru didn't take it well.so I guess you aren't the only one who sees it that way.
>>23944972>one of his favorite directorsWho?
>>23944982can't seem to fucking find it back. I hope it isn't a false memory
>>23945006>I hope it isn't a false memoryThis is very meta for a GITS thread lol.
>>23943310We can break the cycle. The circle will not be unbroken
>>23946008>>23943310Appleseed is hilarious.In the first story, Athena has the unstable vets drugged to see whether they'd chimp out, but when they do, it appears that they realized they were being drugged and figured their cover had been blown, so they moved the plan ahead of schedule.It ultimately didn't matter as either result would've pushed forward the professionalization of the police apparatus and the formation of the ESWAT Paramilitary.This style of story featuring imperfect information all around and way too many cooks persists throughout the rest of the series.
>>23943075the issue was actually the ghost controller the head of security used, not the learning beds, which were also legal and completely standard educational software
>>23944927>"conflict is good for the universe actually"This is true in fictional worlds, certainly. Warhammer 40K would collapse under its own inherit stupidity if the wars that keep the setting interesting ever stopped.
>>23946220Yeah that's what makes it hilarious. It's a cluster fuck of overbearing cop paramilitary hijinks. It's a great series none the less, and manga gits was barely better. The new show can't be as good as SAC because of this.BUT if people get a taste of manga Shirow and like it, then sojeonemight think about Appleseed. Not Dominion.OR ADAPT MAN MACHINE INTERFACE (gits 2.0).
>>23946450someone might think*
>>23946450>OR ADAPT MAN MACHINE INTERFACE (gits 2.0).It will happen eventually, mark my words
>>23946651I hope It's done justice. It's freaking viewtiful and has a cool message to all the netizens of the world.
>>23946317Correct, and that's why people should always remember that Shirow's GitS is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A STAND-ALONE STORY. Human Error Processor started publication maybe two years after the original run.It's not even the first Koukaku Kidoutai manga, the first one to bear that name was Orion. Shirow was thinking way ahead, the themes of GitS are like his mission statement as a mangaka. So obviously, when you're gearing up to make a big interconnected universe full of violence, it makes sense to establish that conflict is a driving force of the universe.Motoko kind of embodies this on an individual scale, but she's just a component in a big network of characters and organizations, which is why it's important, when adapting GitS, to adapt the whole plot with all its intricacies, otherwise the themes fall flat.So far they're doing a good job, they included all the relevant setups, including the technobabble in the sex scene that set up the Toru Soma arc.
>>23947320>when you're gearing up to make a big interconnected universe If you read the manga you can see subtle hints that Gits comes before Appleseed, and that before Dominion. One could assume Black Magic could take place even earlier.Orion? Ionno that was zany comedy. I'm kinda random.
>>23946690The only message I got was:>Don't become a simp for e-girls or else you might end up being used as a disposable asset in a shadow war between omnipotent sluts.That does hold true.Not sure what relevance silicon DNA has to this, but then again Shirow never clarifies why Motokos want that stuff beyond "it's more versatile and modular" or something, as if they weren't already super versatile.>>23947325GitS, like Orion, blends particle physics with chinese alchemy. You'll notice it mentions "yingerons and yangerons" in the final infodump, which explains why psychic powers are a thing in GitS.I like to think the Net is somewhat connected to the Yamata-no-Orochi because GitS also uses a good amount of squid imagery but that's just speculation on my part. Either way, the message is the same: you need a healthy dose of bad karma in the world, otherwise everything stops.
>>23928247Why is the theme song so good? It pisses me off that something new is Good
>>23947329The "children" of Motoko and the Puppet Master, which Shirow calls "isotopes" in his artbooks, are disembodied minds roaming the Net, and if they need to interact with the physical world they download themselves into android bodies. However, they're dependent upon human industry to get those bodies manufactured, so they're not a truly separate species; they're like parasites upon humanity. OG Motoko wants to find Dr. Rahampol's book in order to give the isotopes a genuine means of reproduction. The text of MMI doesn't spell any of this out explicitly, but you're required to remember everything the Puppet Master said in the first volume while reading the second.
>>23947515That's what I suspected as well, but considering that acquiring a body never seems to be an issue for them (they seem to always have one at the ready whenever they need it) and that the puppetmaster's definition of life is very, very loose (the means it chooses to become a true lifeform always come off as somewhat arbitrary) I wasn't sure if it was for their own personal use. I guess it explains how they keep cropping up even without cyborg bodies in other mangas at least.Pretty sure they're called the cosmic seeds in promo material by the way. At least that's what Motoko calls them.Get it, like apple seeds?
>>23947546Motoko Aramaki, in her capacity as security chief of Poseidon, seems to make a lot of money on the side that she uses to buy android bodies for her own use and safehouses all over the world to stash them in.
>>23947551Yeah, and Millenium has a giant sex cult. Her goons are also shown to be bioroids, so it's not like Motokos don't have access to a similar technology already.So you can see why it really isn't obvious, even after reading the whole thing, why they'd be interested in yet another form of technology to achieve a slightly different version of what they can already do.If they'd shown us a version of Motoko who actually has to struggle with finding bodies or really really wants to have actual kids (as opposed to copies) then we'd have an obvious, emotionally-charged connexion between stakes and characters.
New episode today! If only EZY was this accessible. I need to torrent it.
>>23949270Just check the thread nigga
>>23949275Tis a' down thee loadeth'in
>They got old man Okawara himself for the endcard this weekNeat!
now this sure is /m/
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>>23928476I haven't seen it but if you want GITS anime there's Black Magic M-66.I don't trust modern animators.
>>23940234This is my impression too, I thought I had ADHD before watching this but it's so fast-paced that I'm beginning to doubt it.
So what do mangafags here think about the show so far?
>>23949780I think part of it is the way the stories are chopped up. Like in the most recent episode you get the end of the story from last week plus two side stories that seem to only be there for world building all crammed into one episode.
>>23949813Yes this is very odd too, it took me a minute when I started today's episode to remember that it was following on from last week, and then a bunch of random scenes ensued and then it just ended.
>>23928247guys this show kind of sucks ;_;
>>23949799>>23946450i get to post this image againit has been years
>>23949870I'm staying out of the shitpoasting fests on here and /a/'s threads, but what ever the complaints about the show I'm grateful we are getting Police Brutality Gremlin Motoko.
>>23949870>>23949932Yeah I'm happy we get wild violence again. As it's always been intended. Dominion was toned down a lot and no rendition of Appleseed was able to do it.
>>23949768>Black Magic M-66.I thought that was pretty mediocre. Cool action and all but rather shallow. maybe the manga is better.
>>23949768>modern animatorsSo millennials? Gen xers did a pretty good job in the 1990-2015 period but Gen y can't seem to pick up the slack.
>>23949870Sad but not surprised that the threads on /a/ have been garbage fires but that sure is hell isn't going to stop me from enjoying it. Fun things are fun.
>>23949939>rather shallowRetard.
I don't like the Science SARU style of animation. It works for some projects and it's certainly better for wacky manga GitS than previous anime GitS, but it's still wrong. The way characters run annoys me and sometimes they go too far with distorted or exaggerated body shapes.
>>23950035Ironically that makes them the perfect match for how fast and loose Shirow plays with his own settings. Like if any studio is going to have the balls to try to make the weird early CGI chapters work, it's them.
>>23949995Is the manga better?
>>23950064The Black Magic M-66 anime loosely adapts an event in one chapter of the Black Magic manga, but the setting is completely different. While the anime is set in Japan in the near future, the manga is set in the distant past when humans lived on Venus.
>>23950064The OVA is much much betterAlso fun fact, M-66 F6 has a cameo in Appleseed
>>23950064as you may have gathered from the other replies, it's a similar situation to the oshii gits moviethe black magic OVA is a poor adaptation (in the sense of representing the source material) but in many ways surpasses the manga and creates a more cohesive and impressive productboth are very neat and worth checking out. there are some very cool things/ideas in the rest of the manga, but nothing (including the adapted chapter) is as impressive as the excellent OVA
>>23950064It really depends on your tastes I would say. I for one prefer the manga versions of all his stuff. When it comes to the 1:1 adaptations. The specific m99 manga is much much more fleshed out and has a cooler and more lifelike environment. If you like hyper police and the look of the new GITS show you will like the manga too.On a side note I would like to say aside from the 1:1 stuff, the supplemental things are hit and miss. Most of the GITS stuff is good, the other Dominion stuff sucks, and the Appleseed stuff is C- at best.
>>23950548The only Dominion thing that sucks is Tank SWAT 01. The rest ranges from okay to fucking amazing
