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>>23939588
Nemucita...

Damn Nox is just the worst isnt?
Even the edgelord evil guy got redemption before him lmao.

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What are your pros and cons on the 43rd episode?

>>23939616
Nonsense writing as usual but Sugihara and Watanabe knocked it out of the park once again so it was a great episode in my book.

The hole on Dawn's chest finally got used huh.
Does the "Punish Shot" finisher sound come from somewhere or is it original?

>>23939616
It’s funny the show thinks Sieg and Nox both deserve to live

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What would you like to say towards Sieg's "redemption"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dmr3gY9oHE

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Only good thing from this episode was Nem finally using her powers. Pathetic it took this long, but at least she’s finally doing something other than being a damsel in distress.
>>23939639
I’ve seen people say they enjoyed how they redeemed him, but while I can admit it’s not the worst thing ever, it’s still really bad. The excuse that he was always forced to be a criminal is laughable, and the scene where his kid self got a gun for a present may be one of the funniest scenes in the show, despite being a serious moment. Sieg’s backstory is on the same level as a shitty anime or a lame Netflix cartoon, just babying and excusing his actions by pretending he had no choice. Once he got dream powers he had the choice to do good, and instead became a mass murderer. If you want to excuse him by saying he only killed criminals, well both him and Nox are criminals, so if they deserve redemption, then why not his victims? You really expect me to believe the thousands of deaths he caused not a single one could have been saved like him? No excuse justifies fist bumping a serial killer. In what is a Takahashi staple, they conveniently decided to not address that at all, pretending his worst crimes were just messing with the main heroes, and not the millions of bodies and broken families he caused. Forget about how he was this serious threat before, now he’s a quirky anti hero. Forget that he is as bas as Three, a guy we killed and said he deserved it.
At best it’s a cheesy childish redemption for what’s meant to be a dark character, at worst it’s the show having its heroes sympathize with an actual serial killer. He probably has a bigger body count than Ouja and he’s now accepted as a hero, just because he decided to stop being pure evil after one dumb speech.
Morally and logically he’s unredeemable, but enjoy your hype moments and aura if you like this dirtbag.

>>23939645
>but enjoy your hype moments and aura if you like this dirtbag
Why so insecure? Everything else in your post is right though

>>23939645
thanks I will bro no need to sound so salty kek. acting like zeztz killed your family.

>>23939645
>If you want to excuse him by saying he only killed criminals
Don't forget he turned innocent civilians into Nightmares and almost got Minami and Baku killed too, his desire to punish extended to all of humanity.

>>23939664
I’m sure some other anon would say that “he did it when he fused with the Nightmare”, but he proved after he was removed from him that he was just that way as a person, and the Nightmare only gave him more power than he already had.

>>23939667
>, but he proved after he was removed from him that he was just that way as a person,
This episode had Nemu outright saying he had been just lying with all his talk about enjoying nightmares.

>>23939588
>>23939616
The episode was well-directed, but just like the previous 2-parter, the writing hasn't up to par.

The callback to the scene where Baku became Seven in real life was neat, and him starting to mix reality and dreams up doesn't bode well for him.

Seems like Nasuka has already moved on from Kureha's death, her character just feels like a complete afrerthought at this point. Meanwhile Fujimi once again tried to talk some sense into Nox, but the faggot ignored and walked out on him again.

While it was neat to see some civilian deaths to give the endgame a sense of stakes, this episode also proved that Baku can definitely use Exdream to rewind deaths, or recent deaths at the very least. This retroactively makes several of the previous episodes worse, since it proves he could've prevented Kureha's and Zero's deaths, as well as the hostage situation that led to him remaining beltless for a few episodes, if he had just made the simple and obvious decision to rewind what had just happened.

I like that Nem is finally using her powers in useful ways again, even if it's been quite a while since the last time that happened.

Nox continues to be a faggot and I don't know why he's even surprised that The Lady's base got trashed and Nem got kidnapped, when he just witnessed how Phantom took over his boss (which is his fault btw). He's showing signs of redemption but his face turn is being painfully dragged on. And this is more of a complaint regarding last week's episode, but it still applies to his character as a whole, as I just remembered that he was supposed to be searching for Somnia in order to destroy it but then forgot about that whole ordeal when he "finished" his revenge on CODE and tries to retire in the very next 2-parter, which makes him look even worse.

(1/?)

>>23939714
>>23939639
I just don't like Sieg's redemption, it was rushed as hell (he didn't appear at all until the middle of the episode) and had almost no build up throughout the show, at least on his part. After several episodes of him doubling down on his wickedness and lack of interest in a redemption, all it took for him to do a 180 was for Nem to tell him that he was just running away from his issues and that he could use his powers for good, that's it, and I just don't buy it. The flashback segment didn't really tell us anything we didn't know already and all those speeches about how no one is born evil and we all have the potential to change were extremely cliche and fell flat, I just feel nothing for Sieg's redemption. I hate the fact that Baku and Nem are friendly with him after all the shit he put them through (Baku should treat him with the same severity and distance he did with Zero at the very least) and that they're treating him as if he was just a tsundere now. The only faint praise I can give to this redemption is that they're not treating it as a joke (yet). On a side note, I wish they would've given his kid self's actor a wig or just kept his black hair as is (Sieg's eyebrows are black anyways, they could've just said he dyes his hair blonde), because the way they digitally recolored his hair didn't look very good.

The fights were good, your usual Sugihara chuuni CG spam. I did like how they used the hole in Sieg and Dawn's chest to symbolize his lack of a heart, the updated Henshin sequence for his redeemed self was neat too, and Dawn finally using the Capsem slot on his chest by slotting Exdream in it to metaphorically fill his heart in was cool as well.

(2/3)

>>23939717
I gotta say that the pacing and placement of this episode relative to the last few is kinda weird. Punish already had a dedicated 2-parter, then Catastrophe got his, and then they went back to Punish for just 1 episode to finish him off. And Punish getting 3 episodes when Catastrophe only got 2 just feels wrong. Also, the way Sieg hyped Oblivion up by implying he's bigger deal than those two makes me fear that Catastrophe's story arc is indeed over.

Looks like Oblivion's twisting Nem's dream for the next episode.

(3/3)

>>23939624
It's the finisher sound for Taiken Mode.

>>23939719
>Also, the way Sieg hyped Oblivion up by implying he's bigger deal than those two makes me fear that Catastrophe's story arc is indeed over.
Well yeah. Seven episodes left, anon, we have to keep the line moving. I'm actually more surprised that we're moving on to an Oblivion fight before a Phantom one, which implies Oblivion's either getting a super mode for the real final battle or there's one more Nightmare after him and Phantom. The opening shows five shadowy figures instead of four, so it's possible, but it'd be strange to introduce a brand-new Gore Nightmare this close to the end.

The end part implied that the world ending isn't actually Oblivion's fault, though, and that it's somehow going to be Nem who does it herself.

>>23939694
That's some bullshit they established in this very same episode, if Sieg had gotten a good and well-written redemption arc they would've actually shown this to us in the episodes leading up to the turning point instead of just telling it to us in the same episode where the face turn is supposed to happen for the sake of the plot after several episodes where they just doubled down on him being a genuinely bad guy.

another member of the 'big bad' group eliminated in even less time than the dude who is baku's personal nightmare

>>23939752
The pacing and lack of satisfying build up is really bad

I liked Touchybannerson's performance and the fight he got but it doesn't feel earned. Perhaps at one point they were expecting him to go away after Baku got Exdream but the higher-ups decided they wanted him to stick around longer for toys? Feels like they slotted it in here in one episode so they have enough time for whatever they're cooking for the finale eps because at the rate they're burning through boss nightmares there has to be another arc after them. Baku mastering english IRL and getting mixed up where he is better be setting up a for a mindbending dream within a dream inceptionkino finale.

>>23939616
A good, enjoyable episode, although I kind of hate it for being so enjoyable.

The opener with Baku getting dressed calling back to the premonition while confusing reality for a dream was well done as both comedic and a harbinger of Exdream's side effects.

As awkwardly placed as it is, Sieg's redemption was well directed. Though I kind of hate that it's a throwback plot that requires the MC to flail around like an amateur in order for someone else to get the spotlight, especially after Baku's development last ep. Though it's begrudgingly hard not to enjoy Sieg getting to play hero and enjoying it. As distasteful as some may find it, the idea that Sieg didn't try to change before because he didn't think he could is interesting and darkly humorous in its own way. At least it was addressed better than, say, Daichi.

That said, how the fuck is Sieg getting this much attention compared to Nox and others? It's already been shown they can cram acceptable backstory and development into a few short scenes/eps, so what's going on? Besides Takahashi's purple Rider fetish combined with Kousei Amano's charisma, of course.

Is Sieg even alive irl? Why they never show him?

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>Sieg

If they were gonna go this route then it would have made more sense if Sieg’s murders were mainly due to his family and CODE ordering to do so, until his mind broke due to them. Maybe he killed people for his family, killed his dad, CODE captured him and forced him to work for them. Then he would have only killed his dipshit father due to personal choice, not the thousands he did. He would still be hard to redeem, but if 99% of his murders were orders from others he had no choice in doing, and this episode is him finally breaking free from other people’s control, it could have worked. Instead, the show makes it clear he murdered a lot of people out of self interest and enjoyment, not because he was forced to. If they weren’t willing to make him accountable for his actions, then rewrite the character entirely.

>>23939885
I think he just disappeared from the real world. Maybe just like Nem is now after LA SEÑORA did whatever to her body and her house.

>>23939616
>>23939824
>Though I kind of hate that it's a throwback plot that requires the MC to flail around like an amateur in order for someone else to get the spotlight, especially after Baku's development last ep.
I thought it would be a good idea having Baku in a never ending fight against the immortal nightmare while Sieg get the spotlight. There was no need for him to use Ex Dream power up other than look cool. It felt really contrived. But kinda brutal for a kid's show having the guy get a Mortal Kombat-tier fatality with a big hole on his chest. I thought at least it would be the last time Sieg would be able to do something and he would be dead after the fight but he just got better and walked away.
It's been a while since I felt sunk cost fallacy from something. Still kinda mad for what they did to Kureha and Nasuka. At least Fujimi is doing something.

>>23939932
Just to add, I think it was cool and well directed episode but really dumb in context of things like considering everything Sieg did previously.

>>23939824
>As distasteful as some may find it, the idea that Sieg didn't try to change before because he didn't think he could is interesting and darkly humorous in its own way.
It fits with what we've seen about Sieg before, which combined with Amano's performance is what makes it work for me. They've established a few times now that he's someone who basically just gave up: everything and everyone is shit, the Nightmares are unstoppable and immortal, so the only rational response is to just become a masochist and enjoy the suffering. Nem finally gets through to him when she's willing to hurt herself just to prove a point, which is a language Sieg understands.

>>23939616
7/10. I like Sieg and watching him have a tried and true fight against an enemy that isn't another rider is pretty great. But if they were gonna have this kind of backstory to justify the way he is, it should've been seeded throughout the show instead of what feels like last minute exposition. Given his level of screentime, there was ample room to give something that shows a little insight into his upbringing. Maybe back when he bit the dust the first time. But it was serviceable and miles above the kind of exposition a lot of characters get this far in. His idea of using bad dreams against a nightmare and ultimately making a good dream foils against Punish's mentality well enough.

Nem being the one to motivate him to act is a little too simple, but I like that you can feel a tone shift when she confronts him about it. It's good that Sieg brought up the nightmare she spawned as well and recognized her conviction in that moment. Also love that she's using her powers again and being more proactive against the gore nightmares. I don't have shit to say about Nox other than he's just dead weight at this point. His only use is unintentionally showing Fujimi important details everyone should have known about WAY before if he weren't completely self absorbed.

I'm interested in seeing what Oblivion is trying to do to the world and what Nem's outcome will be, as well as where the hell this is going if they're really steamrolling through these villains this quickly with 6 whole episodes left after next.

>>23939743
>Well yeah. Seven episodes left, anon, we have to keep the line moving.
It's the fact that Catastrophe was basically treated as a glorified monster of the week when it was Baku's inner Nightmare and had been built up throughout a good chunk of the show that just doesn't feel right.

>which implies Oblivion's either getting a super mode for the real final battle
The production blog said Oblivion's going to "mature" throughout the course of these last few episodes.

>The opening shows five shadowy figures instead of four, so it's possible, but it'd be strange to introduce a brand-new Gore Nightmare this close to the end
There's a fifth Gore Nightmare in the movie, and they said the next episode is going to have some kind of tie-in to it.

>>23939824
>the idea that Sieg didn't try to change before because he didn't think he could is interesting and darkly humorous in its own way.
They had already told him he could change his life around despite everything and use his powers for good several times before, but he kept turning the heroes down until now.

>>23939714 cont.
>I like that Nem is finally using her powers in useful ways again, even if it's been quite a while since the last time that happened.
Oh, and I also like how she stood up for herself throughout this episode, even if I'm not sold on the redemption speech she pulled on Sieg. Looking forward to her focus episode next week, hope she doesn't just turn back into the plot's designated victim yet again after the showing she had this week.

>>23940076
im going into denial and believe this is the idea.

Sieg will return to kill people in nightmares once the fight ends somehow, and he did all this redemption stunt with Punish as a way to say 'Fuck you Gores, only I can go around in dreams murdering people! you suck at it!'

probably tho, he will just start gunning for actual dream threats to the planet, and criminals who REALLY deserve to be murdered.

>>23940087
>and criminals who REALLY deserve to be murdered.
Nem said there's no one that this world is better off without. Just ignore the fact that Three got killed off for good in the previous 2-parter, he didn't deserve a redemption unlike the show's precious giggling genocidal serial killer did.

>>23940101
Personally, i wouldnt mind for Sieg to go murder captain retard, Aka:FUX. now THAT is a criminal who really deserves to die.

I mean, AT LEAST he should give the shadow capsem and the driver to Fujimi if he aint using it, for crying out loud!

>>23940101
I have no love for Three, but he, Nox and Sieg are exactly as bad as each other, so it’s funny he died while the other two get to live and redeem themselves. This show’s morally bankrupt.

>>23940118
>FUX (aka: NOX/Kensei Odaka/THAT FUCKING FAGET!)(as much as i hate this, im obligated to only list his ACTUAL crimes in the real world, not the premonitory dream)
-Destroyed every trace of CODE'S existence and tech, meaning that only he, Baku and Sieg are the only living people with the power to fight the gores
--after finally getting even with CODE, he decided to PUSS. OUT! and retire, nevermind the fact theres a band of ancient dream demons hellbent on eradicating humanity waddling around.
-He killed Zero, had he not fought Baku and be clear about his objective, Zero could have escaped the base raid.
+he didnt kill anyone in the real world, not even in his final raid against CODE.

>AGENT COCKFACE (Aka: Three)
-murdered in cold blood every CODE agent who was against him
-tried to control humanity with code somnia, unifying the dreams of the populace and allowing the gores to start with their conquest campaign
-dude essentially wanted to conquer the world.

>SIEG (Aka: Tachibana 3.0)
/Trained since childhood to be a murderer
/He mostly murdered criminals
/he murdered criminals even more under CODE'S instructions.
--his whole stunt against Nem and the real world at large

As things stand, NOX And Three are tied for 1st place, with Sieg, surprisingly on 2nd.

>>23940118
>he, Nox and Sieg are exactly as bad as each other
In terms of actions they are, but in terms of motivations they aren't:

-Three wanted the impose order on the world and get rid of the Nightmares once and for all, he crossed many lines in an attempt to ensure this plan would succeed.
-Nox mainly just wanted revenge against CODE for what they did to him, no matter the cost. He also rambled about how harmful they were to the world but seemingly didn't turn against them until they personally fucked him over anyways.
-Sieg was just a doomer murderhobo who wanted to watch the world burn because he thought he had nothing better to do.

If the show hadn't portrayed him as a total corporate drone that only cared about CODE's end goal and nothing else, Three would've unironically been the most redeemable one of the 3. He's the only one that had mostly altruistic intentions, he just lost sight of what was right and used extremely questionable methods to fulfill CODE's mission.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnSEPKqQfSs
Case 43.

>>23940149
They made him a strawman to “excuse” the other assholes. To a certain degree they also used that to clean some of the blood from Zero’s hands, but I find his case far more complicated than the rest, and he did get killed for his crimes so it’s easier to swallow.

>>23940130
Sieg almost got Baku to kill Minami and basically got him murdered when he turned Nem's fans into Nightmares in the real world. He basically did all of this for funsies, and his end goal was for the Nightmares to take over the world and for all of humanity to be punished without exception, rather than something remotely positive like Nox and Three's goals.

And yet Baku now treats him far better than he did Zero, who had genuinely good intentions and suffered in many ways for the things he did.

>>23940130
>+he didnt kill anyone in the real world, not even in his final raid against CODE.
He killed Three.

>>23940163
ok... i DID mentioned the Nemu thing, but not the minami one.

that was my bad. but considering the Minami thing was only for ONE person against the Nemu plan, that was against the world at large, the would be one point more. leaving all 3 guys tied.

>>23940164
kinda hard to say it counts since well, its Three. that one is at most a /.

>>23940177
I would say it counts as killing. If not, turning a man into a bunch of paper and keeping him conscious is a fate worse than death. Its easier to just accept he killed his ass. Not that he didn’t deserve it, but so do Nox and Sieg.

Anyone actually keeping up with the minami sidestories? Are they worth watching?

>>23940190
I dropped after the new loop started, at least up to that point it definitely wasn't worth watching but I don't know about now
The substory is ending next week and they're really short so this might be a good time to binge watch them

>>23940178
The thing is Sieg already paid for his crimes considering he literally died in the real world. Baku's the one who killed him so maybe that's why he's siding with him at all. I wish they would lean in more on what it means to be a dream apparition.

>>23940203
>The thing is Sieg already paid for his crimes considering he literally died in the real world. Baku's the one who killed him
It's been implied he has been living inside dreams ever since he merged with Punish, which is why we've never seen his real world self at any point in the present. His temporary "death" at Baku's hands is pretty much meaningless, especially when he still gets to interact with others and have fun, that's not paying for his crimes.

>>23940203
>Baku's the one who killed him so maybe that's why he's siding with him at all.
That's definitely not the intent, he just popped back up to pester the heroes because he gets to live as long as they remember him, and then he got redeemed for real.

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>>23940208
My mistake considering his dreamworld vanished like every other nightmare on death when that happened. At least he proved useful here. There has to be some kind of point the show is trying to make by having characters with such irredeemable qualities.

>>23940213
>There has to be some kind of point the show is trying to make by having characters with such irredeemable qualities.
The writer just has a knack for giving undeserved redemptions to his most irredeemable characters. It's not a Zeztz thing, he always does this in his works.

>>23940130
Sieg only really hurt Baku, Nem, and Minami, as well as a few of Nem's fans. Everyone else he killed was a crime lord or corrupt politician. His motivations were the worst because like >>23940149 said, he was just a doomer, but in terms of the actual evil things he did, he's a distant second to Three trying to take over the world and killing his own agents. I'd even argue he's done less evil shit than Nox, even counting that most of what Nox did in Chapter 1 was just a dream, because Sieg has an understandable motivation for not wanting to help up until now: he'd given up on the thought that the Nightmares could even be beaten. Nox isn't helping purely because he's a piece of shit who helped cause this mess, keeps being asked to help fix it, and keeps going "fuck you, no".

>>23939639
They didn't even give him a robot dog.

>>23940282
>but in terms of the actual evil things he did, he's a distant second to Three trying to take over the world
I don't know why you and others shrug off Sieg's attempts to MURDER Minami, Baku and innocent civilians FOR LAUGHS just because he ultimately didn't succeed, but you rag on Three for an evil plan he didn't succeed at either. If we're taking Three's end goal into account, we should take Sieg's into account too: he wanted the Nightmares to take over the world and punish everyone on Earth, which is a far worse outcome than what Three had in mind.

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>>23940282
>Nox isn't helping purely because he's a piece of shit who helped cause this mess, keeps being asked to help fix it, and keeps going "fuck you, no".

and people are still shipping him with Luluka/Cure Arcana Shadow...

right now, this supposed 'badass' of a renegade agent, is being mogged by a 16-year old magical girl in every aspect he is supposed to excel at, premisewise, storywise, personalitywise and skillswise. like BY GOD! why the fuck is he STILL alive!?

>>23939820
> Perhaps at one point they were expecting him to go away after Baku got Exdream but the higher-ups decided they wanted him to stick around longer for toys?
There's oddities, but if the character uses a retail toy he's basically safe for the entire show, yeah. No one expected him to die for good after Exdream.
imo, they should've just had baku use the swords as his exdream weapon. It'd even shill it better than Sieg who barely transformed.

>>23940190
Weekly? definitely not. We just got over weeks of the plot being variants of "I gotta help this guy".
Binged? maybe, they're just an extra episode.

>>23940477
Luluka is better but lets not act like she's good either. The only reason she isn't full Nox is because precure itself wouldn't allow for it.

>>23940628
>>23940477
Yeah, like, you can't blame her for killing people and stuff because Precure villains just don't do that. They aren't even allowed to get away with -stealing- treasures so far.

But she has been with the villain faction for half of the show due to some trauma about losing a veteran Cure and although she has some kind of good goal that still isn't clear, she seemingly hasn't managed to do anything to progress towards that goal.

>>23940630
>she seemingly hasn't managed to do anything to progress towards that goal.
I feel like not getting anything done is her goal if anything. Usonoir's deadline is coming up and she's had a hand in making sure they fail to get any jewels. Plus they clearly give her an ice cream budget.

>>23940282
>Everyone else he killed was a crime lord or corrupt politician.
Sieg himself was a mass murderer. If he deserves redemption, why not his victims? Do you really think not a single corrupt person and criminal he killed wasn’t in the same boat as him? Other people who gave up on the world and thought crime was their only escape? You don’t get to make a statement that every life matters and the worst people can change while also saying it’s fine that he murdered a lot of people. Three taking over the world and killing his agents is as bad as Sieg trying to let the world be ran by nightmares and trying to kill a bunch of Nem’s fans. Sieg failing at it doesn’t mean he didn’t try it.
Motivations also don’t make up for crimes. A serial killer having a bad childhood is exactly as bad as a serial killer who’s a spoiled brat. Same number of victims and deserve the same punishment.