>rips off your show >does it 100x betterheh, nothing personnel kid
I don't think I would call it better than Raideen, but certainly an interesting interpretation
>>23954794i was actually aiming for evangelion but good point desu
>>23954795>aiming for evangelion but failsWow anon, you're just like RahXephon!
>>23954795If you don't actually know what's being ripped off you can kindly shut your dick holster.
>>23954791>dark psychology mixed with robots is from evaLel nah
>>23954791it would be hard to do worse in all fairness
>>23954906Nigga everyone knows that Rahxephon is a reimagination of raideen no one cares about that…. Its only retarded eva fans that get butthurt about Rahxephon because it did their little special “muh psychology and surrealism in a mecha show” gimmick 100x better
This shit felt like a schizophrenia simulator
>>23955207>did their little special “muh psychology and surrealism in a mecha show” gimmick 100x betterSo, like Reideen or other Tomino shows
RahXephon's biggest cultural legacy is probably Yandere Simulator.
>>23954791>rips off your show>does it 100x better>is still shiteven rinne lagrange is better (still shit).
Did you know in the PS2 game there are multiple routes where you can make Ayato end up with other girls? I chose Quon because incest is eternal
>>23955537Is it in a good? Did you play it?
>>23954791Both Rahxephon and the two shows it ripped off are total dogshit, but Rahxephon is probably the worst out of all of them because its deliberately opaque and fucking cryptic about a basic bitch love story so the whole thing feels like pretentious masturbation with absolutely zero point or substance behind. I would go so far as to say it is the worst mecha anime I've ever watched because of this. Others have looked uglier or been more boring, but none have wasted my time harder, none have made me hate the director's guts so much, none have ruined their potential more.
>>23955827> two shows it ripped offI assume we are talking about Eva and Raideen.
>>23955641You'd think bots would be good by now but they seem more retarded.
>>23955831As things get more accessible, less and less competent people will use them.
>>23955831No I am a human and I am asking if it is any good jfc, faggot. https://youtu.be/IWGxGk8hCu4It looks lame.
>>23955827Filtered
>>23955835>I am a humanThat's what a bot would say.
>>23955835It's a ps2 game, what do you expect?
>>23955917Looks like ZOE At Home
the only thing I remember about this show was the hot fighter pilot lady and the mom
I like this episode, very tragic.Shinji would never recover from something like this.
>>23955966CHVD AYATO vs virgin shinji
>>23954791This show was fucking awesome.
>>23954795Izubuchi obviously liked Anno's scene comps and intro that he referenced the shit out of itBut delusional RahXephon fans constantly shit themselves every time someone brings up the comparisonhttp://evaxephon.com/ComparisonGallery/gallery1.html>>23954906>>23955207Eva fans constantly seethe about RahXephon stealing their angle and doing it better while RahXephon fans always whining because they are nothing more than a thin skinned little brother with an inferiority complex
>>23956497All of those comparisons are massive stretches.
>>23955207There's also the mysterious girl who's secretly his mother and the older woman who ropes him into the whole thing to begin with and the tsundere bitch that people ship him with that is actually a loser and the secret organization with the secret plan to secretly remake the world
>>23955827>but Rahxephon is probably the worst out of all of them because its deliberately opaque and fucking cryptic about a basic bitch love story so the whole thing feels like pretentious masturbation with absolutely zero point or substance behindI have to agree with this90% of the show is hiding something as simple as "Rahxephon's AI spirit ghost is guiding Ayato to awakening so he can human instrumentality project the world" with nonsense words turning that into "Ishtori guides the orin to yolotheotol to conduct the tuning".What is actually happening is familiar as fuck, nothing is original, it's all tropes. They just mask it with yodeltoot ishtockibalba mictlanlachthuizoatl aztec words to sound mysterious.
>>23956533Yeah but the aesthetics are good, so it's justified
>>23955537What about his mom/aunt coz Quon is his real mom? Is she an option too?
Also Ayato gets to bone his aged up childhood friend/guardian, Shinji would never despite Misato herself offering.
>>23956533>They just mask it with yodeltoot ishtockibalba mictlanlachthuizoatl aztec words to sound mysterious.So does Eva mask the fact it is Ultraman/Gundam fanfiction with "AT Field Lilith Adam Pattern Blue Magi" pseudoscientific Abrahamic words. What is actually happening is familiar as fuck, nothing is original, it's all tropes.
>>23956610yes but its so transparent and silly it fails in trying to throw people off the scent
>>23956610>Pattern Blue >pseudoscientific Abrahamic words
>>23956610>Abrahamic wordslot of western fans use their own understanding of christianity and judaism to create complex head canon about whats going on and what the shows trying to saythen you near the end and you realize its just "social interactions suck but can be rewarding" and all the imagery and iconography was just set dressingI dont know how anyone over the age of 16 could find that compelling
>>23956625This is like saying robots don't matter in mecha because the shows are actually about the characters.
>>23956631many of the best shows would still be great stories and character dramas even without the robots what does the religious iconography or the names being biblical add to the story evangelion is trying to tell? what does it say about the world the story is set in? people decided to name extraterrestrial stuff after the bible okay so what?
>>23956625Both Eva and Rahxephon deal with the whole escapist teen dilemma. Eva ends with Shinji just giving up and doing nothing and the world goes to shit as a result. Rahxephon is basically just what if Shinji wasn't a total faggot and actually tried to deal with his problems head on
>>23956638my personal taste aside, the way people talk about Eva and the biblical shit leads you to believe its all going to mean something and be really profound, but it isnt.
>>23956635>people decided to name extraterrestrial stuff after the bible okay so what?You literally didn't watch the show, that's okay but no need to repeat stuff you read on /a/ to fit in.
>>23956650no need to get all emotional. what exactly have a missed?
>>23955917I like lots of action PS2 game. In fact there are a few mecha games that are fun on there ZOE, Scramble Commander, dynasty warriors Gundam. That game isn't lame because it's PS2, because it's cheap Bandai slop. By the looks of it at least.
>>23956625If i remember correctly Anno said he added the christian iconography because it looked cool and nothing else lol
>>23956635Anno admitted it was all bullshit but his unearned reputation as a misunderstood punished genius has given evafags ammo to just claim theres some amazing deeper message only they know of but strangely never agree on
>>23956717Retard.
>>23956717I remember reading that too, and I have never seen anyone defend anno's choices as being anything but set dressing.
>>23956717It's very obvious since the names and terms have zero relation to their place in the story or their interaction with the characters. There is nothing alluded to, just Hebrew terms because they sound exotic.Compared to something like Xenogears, where every single term and name tells you almost exactly what it is and what it does, or at least alludes to its place in the world. So much so that the translator changed spelling and names to make it just a little more cryptic and not so on-the-nose. Actual psychological theory referenced AND applied to each character's personality and behavior, instead of Eva's "sad boy is sad" excuse for characterization.Eva is hollow and shallow, and lives off visuals and music and the waifu bait. The fanbase just fill in the blanks themselves and pretend it's what they saw on the screen the whole time.
>>23956717>>23956741kek I can remember trying to speculate on how things would go based on the names and their counterparts in the bible only to be confused as fuck
>>23956741Friendly reminder this screencap is from an interview conducted by middle schoolers.
>Eva fag loves a show with the after school special message of "dont push people away">constantly lashes out and makes a fool of himself instead of engagingcurious...
>>23956745Is there another interview where he contradicts or retracts the statement?
Why do americans have an inferiority complex with eva? Japan doesn't behave this way and evafags over there are much more pathological about it.
>>23956741Yes, Eva is hollow and shallow but this is a RahXephon thread. Is there any actual evidence that RahXephon isn't the same? Can anyone prove its iconography was built with real meaning behind it, and not just for cool? If someone can, then it's clear which show show is superior.
>>23956748>curious...perhaps more curious is that he and that one gcucks loving spastic who has a melt down in every thread behave identically
>>23956755Anno makes them seethe for some reason.
>>23956755as an eva fan, probably because of how the majority of the fandom behaves its easy to mock and its a lot of "anime fans" only experience with mecha
>>23956762Most of the people talking about eva in the past couple of years are zoomers with a netflix account and they just spout shit about the PS2 game because that's what youtubers talk about, there hasn't been a genuine 2deep4you interaction in a decade.>its easy to mockMock what? There's people genuinely angry about it here ITT.>its a lot of "anime fans" only experience with mechaThis is irrelevant and other shows have long replaced that spot. You people have been fighting an imaginary war, against an imaginary other, that isn't even yours to fight.
>>23956766>There's people genuinely angry about it here ITT.thats not really how I read it. just seems more like people laughing at fans clinging to the idea the jewish stuff in eva meant something deeper>This is irrelevant and other shows have long replaced that spot.not in my experience >You people have been fighting an imaginary warthats a little dramatic for some people chatting about anime
>>23956766>fighting an imaginary war, against an imaginary other, that isn't even yours to fight.Nigga what does this even mean? Are you okay? Genuinely?
>>23956756RahXephon doesn’t spam religious iconography nearly as much as evangelion and on the few occasions it does it’s thematically consistent with what its telling.
>>23956756yeah there is. not to mention its a superior show so its irrelevant anyway.
>>23956775It's not the 90s anymore, anyone that wants to learn about eva can do so with a simple google search, pretending like there is a conglomerate of uninformed masses marching for the canonization of evangelion and you are the resistance is retarded when zoomers are far more likely to have experienced DITF, Geass, fucking WfM and Hathaway or even TTGL.
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>>23956790simply explain which biblical references you found particularly important and there will be an end to this madness
>>23956790>It's not the 90s anymore, anyone that wants to learn about eva can do so with a simple google searchI dont see how that changes the fact the religious iconography doesnt connect to the plot of the show or the actions / motivations of entities with biblical namesakes
>>23956612So is Eva for anyone who watched it after Ultraman, Gundam or Ideon>>23956625>I dont know how anyone over the age of 16 could find that compellingI find the mecha compelling, it is the part that matters, it is the part that should matter. Very few mecha shows actually do something borderline new with the conflict they use as an excuse to show mecha around.
>>23956804>>23956809>error 404: reading comprehension not found
>>23956811angels are cool but the shows so overrated
>>23956815>the shows so overratedMe when I don't know how to criticize something.
>>23956816Zoomer brain everybody. I dont need a video essay to explain my opinion fucking kill yourself kek
>>23956815>overratedAre you a woman? Overrated is a criticism that doesn't exist without outside validation, evaluating things by what people think of them like that is a woman trait.
>>23956811>I find the mecha compellingI can appreciate it on that level too sure and I find almost all the designs in the show very compellinghowever I just find it funny when people cling to the idea that it making reference to kabbalah or jewish apocrypha was some read between the lines deeper meaning that made the show one of cinemas greatsits okay to just enjoy stuff which people are critical of for its own merits without needing to claim things that are untrue to justify it
>>23956829Why are you so fixated on telling people how they should enjoy something? Actually this explains a lot about american politics.
>>23956832>Why are you so fixated on telling people how they should enjoy something?>it is the part that matters, it is the part that should matter. ironic, but anyway what exactly do you think the point of this site is? are we not supposed to talk about how we feel about things?>Actually this explains a lot about american politics.im not an american but that comment does say a lot about you ironically
>>23956829Totally, but I think people who try to find too much depth in stories are usually lacking in depth themselves. It's fine to learn from fiction before you're emancipated enough to live your own life, but It's been a while since I've been able to derive enjoyment from romance, drama or other types of plot that don't lend themselves too much to visual spectacle, since even the most acclaimed ones are usually just meh compared to real experiences.
>>23956839>Totally, but I think people who try to find too much depth in stories are usually lacking in depth themselves.I agree, theres also an inherent immaturity in needing to justify something by claiming it has qualities you consider adult rather than just liking what you like and not caringwe seem to have gone off the rails, all I was ever saying is that the jewish stuff doesnt inform anything about whats going to happen or what is happening
>>23956853>we seem to have gone off the railsSuch is the nature of non-namefag discussion in anonymous imageboards. If anything, I think Rahxephon has a more honest connection to the mythological themes it uses than Eva has to its own. Rahxephon builds something interesting, aesthetically, to represent the Nacaal, while Evangelion uses Abrahamic aesthetic to represent itself, the latter is more parasitic, which is fine too, I always liked the Gainax bunch for their ability to make compelling and unapologetic fanfic.
>>23956835>no uAnswer the questions, worm.
>>23956869like I said before both have their merits and I am a fan of both, though I have cooled on evangelion over time>I always liked the Gainax bunch for their ability to make compelling and unapologetic fanfic.agreed anon >>23956873>no uare you pretending to be someone else? go away you retarded schizophrenic
>>23956853>theres also an inherent immaturity in needing to justify something by claiming it has qualities you consider adult rather than just liking what you like and not caringIs this ironic? You are trying to tell people their show is "ackshully not deep" instead of letting them interpret it however they want, that is if such people even exist, when was the last time you met someone like that?
>>23956884im not telling anyone anything im talking to a specific person about a tv showyoure just some pathetic loser who's freaking out about it and you should get some help and get off 4chan for the day
>>23956884>letting them interpret it however they wantBut anon's take is literally an acceptable interpretation of Evangelion. Kensuke is the character that represents not "needing to justify something by claiming it has qualities you consider adult rather than just liking what you like and not caring", also Kaji to some extent. It has been a recurring theme in Gainax's works, they made an entire OVA called Otaku no Video about it.
>>23956528> mysterious girl who's secretly his motherWut? I watched the show eons ago but wasn’t quon his sister?
>>23956885>"you are freaking out!">freaks out immediately afterwards>>23956888All takes regarding the show are valid, to some extent, but arguing about how people need to move on and stop pretending something is deep like you are sitting in the throne of media literacy goes completely against that argument. I would understand complaining about "evafags" if there were any at all present in this board but any discussion Eva gets here is meta talk and people going "but the fans!".
>>23956904so could you please point out the references to judaism that actually pay off? because you dont seem to understand what the conversation was even about
>>23956904>I would understand complaining about "evafags" if there were any at all present in this boardNigga you do know people can interact outside of 4chan right?
>>23956904>All takes regarding the show are valid>goes completely against that argumentBut it is valid to go against the argument, unless your first statement is false.>but arguing about how people need to move onNo one in this particular chain of replies used imperative language to compell fans to stop trying to find depth. If anything, the closest one to demanding his views be the canon way to interpret media without compromising is you.
>american politics You love to see it. We make them seethe just by existing.
>>23956610AT field is just a fucking barrierLilith and adam are names In Eva the bible shit is window dressing that doesn't obscure. They plainly say "Shinji's synchro rate is rising and unit 01 is awakening" they don't say "orin is approaching yolotheotol in the ishtori of mictlan while xibalba sleeps in the shadow of tescatlipoca"
>>23957389>>23956533Doesn't help that a lot of the english translations mistranslate the nahuatl words so that you can't even look them upIxtli makes more sense when you consider that Reika is just some kind of projection from Rahxephon that's being use to nudge Ayato alongThe pilot is the Ollin because it's the heartbeat to bring the divine heart (Yolloteotl) to life.
>RahxephonJust copypasting that old explanation of the story:The Mulian world MU and Earth are parallel worlds overlapping that will eventually destroy each other. This is a natural phenomenon.Renegade Mulian scientist Barbem made the Xephon System which consists of two robots, Rahxephon and Belxephon. The system can rewrite the clashing worlds into one, saving it from destruction, and activates through a ritual in which the two robots fight, and the winner's Orin (pilot) decides what the resulting world will be like subconsciously. This is the tuning.Ayato is Rahxephon's Orin, while Kuon (his biological mother) is Belxephon's. The stuff about them and Itsuki should be clear enough from the show.Yolotheotl is the state of the Orin becoming worthy of the Xephon and enabling it to participate in the ritual. The Ishtori are manifestations of the Xephons' will (never seen in the show, but Belxephon/Kuon's Ishtori takes on Ayato's form).The two factions, Earth and MU, think that the tuning results in one world surviving and the other being destroyed. The whole show is basically people trying to influence Ayato and Kuon so that the tuning will benefit them more. Ayato was kidnapped because if left the way he was at the beginning of the series, his winning would have had him create a world completely beneficial to the Mulians, and since he was unaware of the outside world, it might have erased everything except Mu entirely.Barbem, being a mad scientist, wasn't trying to save the world(s), he just wanted to see his creations remake everything, and did not tell anyone that the worlds can actually be combined into one.Also people claiming Rahxephon can rewrite reality are retards who didn't watch the show, it can only do so only when fulfilling the conditions which took Barbem thousands of years to get right, and even then nobody really has any control over any of it; It creates an ideal world according to the Orin's subconscious.
>>23957407Kuon and Maya are the twin Mulians that were found and taken in by Rikudou. Ayato and Itsuki are Kuon’s biological twin sons (genetically engineered, biological father is Watari). Maya ran away with Ayato resulting in the age gap with Itsuki due to Tokyo Jupiter’s time shit. Also Watari was married to Maya and they were raising Ayato as their son together before the war but Maya erased those memories when she took him with her.The Ishtori takes on the form of the person most precious to the Orin. For Kuon it's her son Ayato. For Ayato it's his first love Haruka, but his memories of her were also erased by Maya.In layman’s termsOrin = pilotIshtori = Basically the robot’s AIYolotheotl = Getting goodSo “Reika” hounding Ayato calling him orin and telling him to reach yolotheotl is the Rahxephon itself saying “hey pilot get your shit together” to himThe problem is that they never outright spell out what each made-up word means so people get confused. Instead it’s stuff like “Orin you must become yolotheotl so that your orin will also yolotheotl and as orin in yolotheotl you will be one with ishtori to begin the tuning”When Reika refers to orin while speaking to ayato but not saying it AT him directly it actually means “the other orin” = Kuon
>>23955537>>23955835>>23955917This is why everyone hates EOPsIt's not a fucking action game it's a visual novel which massively expands the series including actually showing Kuon's Ixtli, giving Belxephon actual screentime, making the motives of all the characters clearer. And in addition to the eva game style "and then instrumentality/the tuning happened and Ayato is with THIS girl in the new world" endings it also has a route where Ayato straight out rejects the tuning and it goes into an all out war with Mu.
>>23957411Sounds like FFXIII, except that had a handy encyclopedia for all the fantasy babble in the game
>>23956533It's hilarious how hard Fafner went on that at first, dumping the original writer was the best thing they ever did.>Solomon's question is coming, open the Neidhöhle! Die nibelungen is bringing Siegfried to das rheingold so that Schwertleite will awaken Woglinde!fuck off
>[Mamoru Oshii] The issue is how brilliant the method is that is used for warping the world. In the case of Macross, they brought out giant carriers and robots. Eva was a little more evolved and created organizations and cities, trying to build a sense of the world.>At any rate, those methods are the meat of the movie and the backbone or the nerves is turned towards the ambition. A fantasy holds meaning only when it possesses the details to convince people of it. Without that, it just becomes gibberish. If you can flesh out the fantasy, warp the world and force it to come together into one movie, it has a tendency to turn into something great, and it can’t help but become something great because the source material is so simple.>Considering the problem of this "method" and on whether it’s inept or skilled, or whether it was able to mobilize those materials… RahXephon is clearly lacking. It’s absolutely short on details. I won’t be convinced by something like this. Those details come before such things as artistic design and mecha designs. It’s about creating depth in the world by looking at how wars are fought, the necessity of armies, and what kind of characters appear and how all of those supplement one another to make such a world possible. People are details too, in that you have to assign them skillfully.
>>23957466Nigga your friend made that show ;_;
>>23957469This was an interview WITH Izubuchi
https://gwern.net/doc/anime/eva/2003-rahxephoncomplete-anno-izubuchi
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>>23957481https://gwern.net/doc/anime/eva/2003-oshii-izubuchi
>>23955207>raideen`Oshii`: The other thing I thought of was about copying. Quite aptly, Anno declared himself a copy, saying, 'I'm a copy of a copy'. But this is a 'copy of a copy of a copy'. In the future, there will undoubtedly be 'a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy', and undoubtedly, this chain of copies will continue. Animation has also already entered this world, and there no longer as such things as originals.`Izubuchi:` But the easy path that you mentioned earlier is a part of a world that has existed since a long time ago.`O`: That's true, but in the case of Anno, he was aware of being 'a copy of a copy'. In other words, that's Anno's stance. The very existence of self-consciousness, you could say it's the position you're standing in when creating something. Other directors aren't even conscious that what they're making are copies.`I:` .....But for this job, I don't really know if it's a copy or not, but I did feel like I wanted to try and see if that route couldn't be followed once more. I suppose that might mean that it's a copy of the route that's perpetuated to this day.
I don't know why it feels like NTR that adult Ayato looks exactly like his brother.
>>23954791>finally admit it's a ripoffBy definition, it's lazy crap.
>>23957677For reference
>>23956497>http://evaxephon.com/ComparisonGallery/gallery1.htmlRemember, it is complete coincidence for 2 show to have 17 page of deep similarityNo one have ever heard of talentless hack or trying to copy successful anime, certainly not from Hirai sameface.
>>23957680Wtf cowboy bebop stole narito????
>>23957784mhm
>>23957404Is there a list of all the proper nahuatl terme Rahxephon uses that got mistranslated? I saw this show last year and found all the weird cryptic shit interesting.
I unironically love cryptic bullshit. I actually enjoy it when I don't know what words mean and everything gets surreal and esoteric. Maybe you think Im trying to sound smart and pretentious. But I assure you I am just chuuni for giant robots and weird shit. I love Evangelion, Big O Season 2, and Gasaraki. Just fuck my brain up I want more Twin Peaks with Robots.
>>23958304Big O season 2 ruined that by trying to explain it imo.
>>23958313I feel like every explanation brought up more questions. But maybe I just didn't get it lol. >Roger just had the memories of a Big O pilot/soldier from a previous war >But he was shown in that picture not having aged at allAnd all that meta stuff
>>23958304I actually agree with this it can be fun to just go along for the ride and mystery the problem is myself, like a lot of people in the west, know what all these terms and religious references actually mean, and when they are nothing more than a cool name you can feel a little let down
>>23958349>Evangelion is no twin peaksThere, thats all you needed to say.
>>23958353>anno is no david lynch thats all you had to saysee i can do it too you arent as smart as you think you are
>>23958304Its like solving the biggest puzzle piece ever… you know you’ll never get a resolution but the process and your head canons makes it so enjoyable:’D Watching twin peaks with my friends was the most fun i have ever had watching a show with other people
>>23958349>myself, like a lot of people in the west, know what all these terms and religious references actually meanAmericans are so fucking retarded.
>>23958386>Americans are so fucking retarded.oh look the same retard showed up againim still not americanit is interesting that youre so ignorant you dont know the origin of any of the biblical references, which would prove the anno haters right in saying evafans are both totally ignorant and comically overconfident
>>23958386>Americans, one of the most christian and jewish populations on earth, knowing about the bible Thats retarded!How do you get dumber with each post?
>>2395838630+ years later and evafags still cant accept that their god anno is a larper
>>23958386>The nonwhite is insecure he didnt know who "adam" was the first time he watched and thought it was a giant monsterPFT AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>23958289The most important ones are Ishutori/ishtori/istori > ixtli (face, because the Reika projection is Rahxephon's avatar)Orin > ollin (movement/beat, both the musical term and heartbeat, because the pilot is the robot's heart)Yolotheotol/yollotototl > Yolloteotl (actually wrong, it should be Yolteotl, divine heart. Real world term for state of enlightenment. Picrel, it's literally the same thing as meikyoushisui from G Gundam)
Whenever i read about Rah they always mention that it was a part of the evangelion mania in the early 2000s… any recommendations for shows like it??
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>>23958826Woah thanks anon>shabbo goysThen im the goyest goy to walk this earth because i LOVE rahxephon
>>23954791>personnelThat meme was never funny.
>>23958826I cannot with this image
